Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - FanFic Friday: Stephenson, Minter, Bellinger and More

Episode Date: January 29, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read and grade your Mariners trade proposals, including ideas for Tyler Stephenson, A.J. Minter, Cody Bellinger and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Visit patreon.com for its last control zone. For more information on that, if you are interested in on today's episode of Lockdown Mariner's, Fiction Friday. You submitted some Mariners trade proposals to us via Twitter and at Lockdown Mariners at gmail.com. And we're going to be reading through all of those today over the next 30 minutes or so and giving them grades on the 20 to 80 scouting scale. And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you're listening to this. We greatly appreciate it. So let's start with the ones that we got

it on our email and start with Daniel who has a deal with the Reds. It's a kind of a big one, kind of building on one that we've heard is actually potentially in the works or was in the works before the lockout began. Brandon Williamson, Levi Stout, and Cal Raleigh to the Reds for Sunny Gray and Tyler Stevenson, the young catcher who's actually been pretty good since getting called up in 2020. Colby, what do you think about this deal? It's a no for me. Giving up Williamson and Stout is a lot.

And, you know, Stevenson's a pretty good catcher. But he's not, how do I word this? I would rather take the shot on Cal Raleigh and Tom Murphy and Luis Turenz. then give up what is essentially going to be Williamson for Stevenson. But also, I don't think the Reds would trade Stevenson. He's only 25. He's got five years until free agency. And catching is so incredibly hard to come by that when you have it,

you typically don't give it away. So I don't even know if that's enough for the Reds. But I would just rather take the shot on Murphy. And Raleigh and of course, Louis Torens and keep Williamson. Now, if you're going to give up Williamson for like gray, like that's already been decided. You've already agreed to it. Would I give up stout for for Stevenson? Sure.

But based on what we've been hearing, it's more stout for gray is kind of where the mariners are. And so if I have to add on Williamson to get Stevenson, I'd probably pass on that. But if they did it, I wouldn't be upset. well but you're also adding cal raleigh on top of that to give them a basically a replacement for stevenson right and so that's it just feels like a lot like look stevenson's already kind of done it a little bit at the major league level whereas with cow raleigh you don't know still he he struggled in his first stent at the big league level so that's still kind of a wait and see thing, even though that, you know, you're, you have some confidence that he is going to eventually

develop into a really, you know, solid major league catcher or even better. But I don't know, it just, it feels like maybe even the Reds, like, I don't know, would the Reds want to trade Stevenson for Stoughton Raleigh? Probably. Especially if they're getting Williamson, like, because we know that they like Stout. We know that they really like Williamson. Right. I don't know Like

Would they also give up Stevenson Considering how well he has played for them so far And I mean You know a young catcher With all this club control Who's been solid defensively Is a good hitter so far

Like that's rare to find So would they Give that up for say again Stout and another catcher Who hasn't gotten to that level yet probably not yeah so for me

I think it's creative I'll say that we haven't heard Stevenson's name before I'm going to give this 48 to a 50 I think it's I think it's solid I think there's like there's a conversation to be at here at least yeah

I just I think if you're trying to get Stevenson from the Reds they're going to be like all right well then let's talk you know, George Kirby. And obviously, Stevenson and Gray, for example, it'd probably be, let's go, let's talk about Kirby then, because again, finding a catcher who can hit and is cheap is probably the hardest thing to do in baseball. And if you think Stevenson is that guy and you're the Reds, you're not giving that up for, you know, anything short of a, like, top elite prospect.

and I don't think Williamson or Stout or Raleigh are that. So I'll give it a 50 though. It is definitely something we haven't heard before. So we got a trade here from Cole who has Sunny Gray, another sunny gray deal to the Mariners for Evan White and Justice Sheffield. That's not going to get it done. You're trying to sell two guys that are essentially broken right now for a quality major leaguer. it's just it's not going to happen yeah one of those guys is more of a tertiary piece like the a sweetener at the end of a deal like that's kind of their value white probably still has a little more value than than Sheffield but at least Sheffield's had some success at the big league level so yeah you're just you're trying to you know get a $20 bill with a couple of fives and it's the red just aren't going to go for that so yeah you'll have to you still have probably have to

tack on like Levi Stout to either one of those guys. Those two guys have a long road to go and I just I don't think that the Reds would right now have any interest in going on that journey with them for a

quality mid-rotation starter. So I'm going to give this one like a 30. I'll do, yeah, that's probably about right. Yeah. All right. Brandon has a couple of reliever deals. One with the White Sox, one with the Braves.

The White Sox one is Diego Castillo for Aaron Bummer, straight up. Bummer's got a little longer term control on his contract. Lefty who misses a ton of bats, but struggles with walks. Are you interested in that deal at all? No. I'd rather have a guest deal. yeah i um i i just like yeah there's a little more club control involved there but that doesn't really matter with a reliever yeah uh in the end and yeah you know there's a lot of swing and miss

stuff from the left side that is nice to have but that's not i i'm i'm not interested in trading Diego castillo for air and bummer though um i'll go like 40 on that Drew's second writer and Victor LaBrata to the Braves for AJ Mentor. What do you think about that? No. It sounds like our kind email here is only looking for left-handed relievers. Yeah. And I'm not downgrading at a reliever spot to get a lefty instead of a writing.

And mentor and bummer, both good relievers. Don't get me wrong. but I just I look at those guys and I go yeah is mentor better than second rider maybe a little but now I have to add LaBrata on top of that no thanks and then I just I'd rather have Castillo than bummer so it just I don't care about lefty righty splits in the bullpen I really don't so if I'm trading for a lefty reliever it's going to be because it's a deal I like not because I want a lefty I don't think either of your valuations are super far off though like i think they're in the same range as the guy they're being traded for

but just no i'd rather have the guys i have i can trust them i just it seems kind of like a lateral move in the end for the mariners um yeah like yeah i'll go 45 yeah they're fine just it's on the minter one yeah just i i don't care about handedness in the bullpen like at all So just lateral. Right. Especially now that you got to have, there's the three better minimum. That completely erases the point of lefty specialists. Not that either those guys are, though.

But I mean like. No, no, no, no, they're not. But like the whole, I don't know, obsession is probably too strong of a word. But, you know, this whole thing with lefty relievers, it kind of loses its merit to a point now because, you know, part of the reason that you would, you would like to have a lefty in your bullpen is to create matchups. Right.

But yeah, it just doesn't really like, you can't truly dictate that anymore. Also, you can. There's avenues to that, especially towards the ends of innings. But yeah. Yeah, but by the way, side note, the American League West, most of the dangerous at bats, right-handed like obviously otani you got the big one obviously you know trout but yeah yeah otani is the big lefty matt olson if he's still here corey seger as well oh yes corey seger yorda alberaz like i mean like michael brantley pal Tucker yeah i don't count brantley

really brantley's pretty good against matt olson right now but he's probably gone right but then you look at the right side and it's you know it's simian it's trout it's rindone I'm not going to count Chapman Bregman Maybe Correa will see I was trying to beat you into saying Matt Chapman by the way Sean Murphy

Yeah I just Yeah so again I don't care about lefty Ready so if they make that swap that's fine I think that's roughly fair value It's just I would I'm not doing it just so I can get a lefty in the bullpen I just need guys who can get out lefties I don't need them to throw left handed

Mm-hmm And then the last one from our email comes from J-Qua, who has a deal with the Guardians for Jose Ramirez and the Mariners give up. Noel V. Marte and Brandon Williamson. I'll say this, Jayquah. Appreciate your trade proposal here. It's a good start. It's a good conversation starter. but the the guardians are going to want something even you know they're they're either going to want more bulk

they're going to want a couple more prospects that are kind of in the williamson you know 10 to 15 to 20 range on top of that or you know a better leading piece than the noelvi martay for sure so you know chair cal like Julio Rodriguez George Kirby etc but uh I'll give this one like a 40 because it's it's you know you come to the guardians with that they're they're not going to laugh in your face they're going to you know, ask for more, right? It's a conversation. They're going to ask what else. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like in that deal, they're going to be, they're going to say, okay. So how about you also throw in Abraham Toro and Levi Stout, you know? Right. Maybe even they want Amerson Hancock too. Like Ramirez is that good. So as leading pieces, those are fine. whether or not you like Williamson more than Hancock

kind of depends on if Williamson is a leading piece or not. But yeah, I think those are the type of players they're going to ask for and they're certainly going to want two of those guys and then a couple more either good prospects or interesting young major leaguers. And that would be guys like Toro and Maco or Levi Stout like we've talked about, maybe even Chris Flexen or something like that. So, yeah, it's a good starting point, but you're going to have to tack on more just because that's what he's worth.

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about one of the best hitters in all baseball right now and, you know, perennial MVP candidate type of player. So, you know, you got to come to the table with something, you know, pretty attractive there. And yeah, I mean, Marte, Williamson, that's going to certainly peak Cleveland's interest. But they're, you know, it's like, well, it's like, well, what Colby said. What else? What else can you give us? Guys, I mean, he, he warrants that. He's that good of a player. So, uh, thank you so much for your, uh, trade proposal, J-Quah. And thank you to everyone else who submitted their trade proposals. We'll be back in just a moment with more trades

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Thank you again for making us your first listen of the day, just like you do here every day. We greatly appreciate the support. Let's move on over to Twitter here and start looking at your trade proposals on there, beginning with. Matthew at MJF, B80, who has a three-team deal with the Pirates and the Marlins, where the Marlins are actually the team that ends up getting Brian Reynolds, and the Mariners get Pablo Lopez, while the pirates get Noelvi Marte, Max Meyer. Hey, there you go, Colby, Max Meyer and a deal, and J.J. Bladay. So, Colby, what do you think about this massive deal with a lot of really good prospects and,

and a couple of really strong major leaguers as well. I am not interested if I'm the Mariners. I'm quite interested in Pablo Lopez, but not for... Not for Noel. Not for Noelvie. We talked about this on... What was he? Yesterday on CTZ might have been.

Well, I know we've talked about it this week. Pablo Lopez is very good. He's also never proven that he can give you a full inning worth of starts. I mean, I think his career high in innings pitch is 110. And I have to give up Noel B. Marte to get that guy. Yeah. I mean, that's top 20 prospect in baseball right there. I mean, that's just, that's a hefty price for a guy that's.

And Lopez, yeah, Lopez might be worth that. I'm not, I'm not saying he's not like, if Lopez had a hundred and 16. But product and track record, like, that's got a, that's got a lower his cost some. Like that has to. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I'm just not willing to give that up. And also if, you know, the Marlins, the Marlins, that's a lot to give up for Reynolds, too.

Lopez, Meyer, and JJ. Yeah. I just, I mean, that's a lot to give up. It feels like the Mariners are, you know, losing this deal for lack of a better term. Or sorry, the Marlins. It just feels like a great deal for the pirates. the marlins and mariners overpaying for the guy they get slightly

but it's not it's not bad it's not terrible um i just i think it it's just if i'm the mariners i'm not doing that deal um and honestly if i'm the marlins i'm not doing that deal yeah that's that's a lot to give up even for a great player like reynolds like that's so what's you know if i would

i'd say 50 like if i would was like if I'm the Marlins, right? And I feel like I am Brian Reynolds away from winning the NL East. Maybe I pull the trigger on this. But I don't feel that way. If I'm the Marlins, not yet. Yeah. So I just,

I think the Mariners and the Marlins would consider this too pricey for them. But it's, it's certainly interesting and it certainly fills a lot of needs. So I'll give it a, I'll give it a 50. I'll give it a 50 as well. It's creative. You know, these three team deals are hard to put together.

So, yeah, Anything that even makes a monochem of sense is going to get a pretty nice boost for me. So, by the way, Matthew, if you want to score a 60 or higher, put Max Meyer to the Mariners in a deal. You'll get a 60. Says Max Meyer, Stan, Colby Patnode. Oh, yeah, I'm silly for liking a 22-year-old with plus stuff who's already in AAA. Yeah, no, I'm not making fun of you for that. I like Max Spireton.

I like Max Myers. I like Max Myers. Not as much as me. I'm gonna, yeah, like I said, I'm gonna give this one a 50. I like it. Even though I, it's a lot from the Mariners.

Like I would be a little, um, little hesitant on, on this trade. If I were, if I were the M's and if I saw this, this trade come across the ticker, I'd probably,

uh, Yeah, I probably wouldn't come around to it right away, I would say, because there's, again, Lopez, while he's certainly talented, it just hasn't pitched above 111 Indians in a season before. And he's pitched parts of four seasons. So that's a problem. That is certainly a problem. So, all right, let's move on to Rob at BBD 1996. Taylor Trammell and Drew's second writer for Cody Bellinger. all right we talked about this what on wednesday

you're not very interested in cody belliger whatsoever because of the price uh of his contract and because he stinks yes you don't want to buy it you don't want to buy into 2021 being an outlier so i i'm going to assume this is like a 25 for you it's not that low but like it we talked about this on wednesday the issue with bellinger is

For it to make sense for the Dodgers to move him, they have to get like really good value. But for the Mariners to trade for Bellinger and for it to make sense, they have to get basically a steal of a price. And this isn't really going to work. And I mean, giving up Steck and Rider for Bellinger is probably fine. But if Bellinger stinks like he did in 2021, you got worse at the major league level. And probably significantly so because Bellinger is probably a negative. one player and second writer's probably a one-win player and on top of that you have to give up Taylor tremel it's that's that's that's kind of aggressive it's not super aggressive for belliger

but at the same time I don't think the Dodgers do this deal I think they'd rather take the shot that belliger rebounds yeah so and by the way we can say well you get two years of belliger you really don't you get this year as kind of a see it type of thing and then yeah if he's terrible again or even if he's well below average you're you're not giving him $20 million as an ARP 3 guy. So you're taking a big shot on Bellinger. And if he doesn't work out, your team gets worse and you just lost a lot of money that you could have spent elsewhere.

So it's a lot of risk for the Mariners, even in this type of trade. And honestly, I don't know if the Dodgers would do it either because, again, there's not a lot of upside there for the Dodgers. So it's really tough to come up with a deal that's going to work for both sides in this case. so I'll give this one a 35. I'll give it a 38. You just don't want to agree with me.

Well, I was going to give it a 40 actually. But yeah, it's pretty much, like you said, I personally don't think that the Dodgers would even entertain this. I think they would much rather bank on a bounce back from Beliger who's been, you know, at the very least, a really good player outside of last season. So, yeah, I just don't think that Tremel and Second Rider really do it for them. Second Rider helps, obviously, and Trammell kind of wait and see. But, yeah, the Dodgers, they're not scraping by for money.

They can afford to, you know, run it back with Bellinger for at least. one more year. So yeah, I just don't see it happening. All right, Mariners middle innings Tyler Keenan for Lorenzo Kane, who is making $16 million in 2020. This is going to be a no for me. This is going to be like a like it's not because of the what the Mariners are giving up. It's just the money that they're taken back because I assume that in this deal, they're taking on the entire contract. Kane's a fine player. But at $16 million, he's not going to give you that kind of value and and and that just ultimately takes you know it takes a big chunk out of the money that Jerry depoto is playing with right now and so that that has to be recognized here so

to me it's like a 38 as well as much as we like to hope that Jerry has kind of like this endless amount of money to spend he doesn't yeah Jerry only has a certain amount of money to spend and and you know $16 million for a still pretty good defensive center fielder yeah not terrible and Kane can still do some things and Keenan isn't yeah terribly exciting so

I'd probably give it like a 40 if it was somebody like Kevin Kiermeyer who also happens to hit left handed then yeah I'd probably go ahead and pull the trigger on that but yeah just Kane

just he's not worth $16 million. Yeah. And so, yeah, I just, I feel like if, like, if the brewers were to eat, like, even like $5 million or something like that, then I'd be pretty interested. And if they are willing to do that, then fine. But as the deal you proposed, I'm going to give it a $40. All right.

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We have another trade with Reds here from Dino. But this time it's for Tyler Malley. Tyler Malley for Zach DeLoch and Levi Stout I don't think this gets it done for the Reds I think they're gonna need something a lot better than Zach Delocher or Stout as the leading piece in the steel because really with Stout you're talking about two guys Stout and Deloche you're talking about two guys that are in the 10 to 14

15 range in your system for someone like Malley who is coming off of a career year has multiple years of control I think it's two. And, yeah, is young. I just, and exciting. You're going to need something that's like Emerson Hancock or better, frankly. Yeah, still almost certainly gets it done for Sunny Gray. I don't think it'll get it done for Malley.

Gray's just making a little bit more money and Malley has a little bit more upside. So I think, you know, if you're looking for this, maybe you could do maybe you could do Williamson and Deloche because we know the Reds really love Brandon Williamson. So maybe that would happen but again as the deal is structured here

it's probably a 42 43 somewhere in there because again it like for Sunny Gray this deal is 50 55 for Malley it's just it's a little bit of an underpay but hey you never know. The Reds are, well, they do some questionable things sometimes.

They're weird. They're weird. All right. Luke at L. Snittler on Twitter. Noel V. Marte and Brandon Williamson for Brian Reynolds. I think like this is kind of the same as the Jose Ramirez thing. It's a conversation starter.

But the pirates are probably going to ask for what else. And at that point, for me personally, probably walking away. because I mean no i'll be marty and brayne williamson i think that's pretty fair for brian reynolds you know add on another piece to the back end of that short but i'm not throwing in another you know i'm not throwing in matt brash or upgrading marty to Julio or you know what happened yeah right like i'm not doing that so um 45 because like i think like this is as far as i would probably go um yeah

But I don't do it. Yeah, this is as far as I would go. But obviously, you know, if you want to tack on a third piece, Evan White, or even somebody like Carlson, LaBrata, blah, blah, blah. You know the type of player I'm talking about. Fine, whatever. But these two is the headliner. I think it's more than fair for Brian Reynolds.

I just think that the pirates are going to say, well, if you're willing to do this, then you should be willing to do Julio straight up. And we know the Mariners are not going to do that. So maybe the pirates. asking price has gone down and we don't know it. That would be great. But based on what we know right now, I'm going to give this one a 45.

All right. Ryan Witt at Ryan underscore Witt 7. Mariners get Lane Thomas outfielder, who we actually, I think this is the first time we've heard Lane Thomas's name on here. They get him from the Nationals for Adam McO and Victor LaBrata. No.

Yeah. Thomas is like, he played fairly well this year. 77 games, 264 played appearances. He's slashed 235, 341, 412, 103 WRC plus. Like, that's solid. But he struck out quite a bit. That's been kind of an issue for him. It's not really a great outfielder.

Yeah, for Adam McOoe, who I think is top ten prospects in the Mariners system. And Victor LeBrata on top of that, who I think is pretty interesting. It's just not really not really. not really what I'm feeling there so I'm gonna go 40 at best 35 35 35 to 40 we'll call it a 38 the disrespect to Adam macko

um no but Wayne Thomas was he was really good when he went to the nationals um he was really bad with St. Louis so yeah this to me is honest it's like it's like hey do you want to give up

a top 10 prospect and both tie it in mind's opinion for Jake Frailey 2.0. No, I don't. So I'm going to give it a 35. Do some research, Ryan. We love Adam McO. But no, seriously, even if Maco was like a 15th, 15 prospect or something like that, it's still probably, because you're talking about a 45 game sample size of Lane Thomas being really good. Yeah. That's not a lot. All right. Ryan had another deal with the Phillies this time. The Mariners get Nick Matten, the infielder, for Drew's second rider and Sam Carlson. Now, Matten hasn't really hit since like 2018, 2019 was pretty bad in the miners. 2021 was bad on the minors and at the major league level as well. I mean, it wasn't too, too bad.

But, you know, good defender, obviously. Gets on base a little bit. Strikes out a little much, but what do you think about? the seal. If I'm trading pieces from my major league roster for an infielder, I want an infielder who's good. Someone that I can pay on. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I like, if I have to trade second writer to get Adam Frazier, like the equivalent of Adam Frazier at third base, then fine. I'll do that. No problem. I'm not willing to take

the shot that Maton is the, or Maton is the guy. I do like the player. I do like him a little it, but it just, he kind of honestly starting to seem kind of like Donovan Walton at the stage of his career, which, you know, fine, but it's not worth Stackin Rider. So, yeah, it's interesting. And I'm not opposed to trading second rider for an established, even kind of utility infielder. But that's not Nick Mayton or Maton. I never learned how to pronounce it. I believe that's Matt because there's Phil Matten, right? So. Yeah.

So. Yep. All right. Did you give a grade for it? 40. 40. Yeah, I'll go 40 as well. All right.

Daisy and the dingo's got a couple of trades here. One's a big one. Three team deal with the Mets and the Diamondbacks. The Mariners get a couple of, of some common prospects that have been brought up on the show lately, quite a bit lately. Alec Thomas, Alfielder from the Diamondbacks and Mark Viantos, third baseman from the Mets.

Mets get Zach Gallin and the Diamondbacks get Brandon Williamson, Noel V. Marte, J.T. Gen, and Khalil Lee. What do you think? Actually, I don't think it's a huge haul. Gallin's got four years of Club Control left. He's the number four. We've talked about Gallin as being a little bit overrated, but still interesting.

again, you know, it's kind of one of those things where it's like, I like Alec Thomas. I think Fantos is going to be okay. But how many question marks do you want in your starting lineup every day? Because right now the Mariners have what, two guys that you feel really good are going to hit. Tanigar, France, I guess Frazier, three guys. If you're real, JP, okay, JP, fine. Not much upside, but whatever. So it's like you want question marks at third base and center field too.

And to give up Williamson and Marte for that, the Mets are giving up Viantos and Ginn and Kaleo Lee. Is that right? Yeah. For Gowan. Ne. Noelvi Marte and Brandon Williamson. I don't.

Marte and Williams. So basically it's Noelvi for Alec Thomas and Williamson for Viantos. They're just going to different teams. teams. I think it's fine. Three team trades typically take a little while to dissect and go through, so they're really hard to judge on the spot. But like if the Mariners did this, I would be fine with it because I like Alec Thomas quite a bit. And I said, I think on Wednesday show, there might have been a CTZ episode this week that I would trade Marte for Thomas. So I meant that. So yeah, I, I, I, I, I think it's pretty good, but again, it's really hard to keep track and work through these in like two minutes. So I'll give it a 50 for now. And then it could be a 55 or it could be a 45. That's just kind of how it goes with three team deals.

I think it's pretty good. I think it's pretty good. Just kind of dissecting it a little bit here. Yeah. So 55. Well, the next trade is all for you, buddy. Oh, boy. So Daisy and the dingo has just a Mark Viantos trade.

Mark Viantos for Matt Brash. No. Nope. Of course. Ty has Brash, I think five in the Mariners farm system right now. Is that right? Something like that, yes. Yeah, well, something like that.

It's either five, six, seven. So, yeah, I think I have them at seven. So, like, come on. I think I have them at four or five, yeah. Yeah, make a declarative statement. But yeah, no, that's pretty good one in terms of like a prospect for prospect trade. Obviously Seattle has a need at their base. But again, I just, for me, it's like I don't really want to make prospect for prospect trades,

especially prospects who are going to help me in the major league level this year. Yeah, this doesn't make sense for this team right now. Yeah, not in the, yeah, not in the position that they're in. That's what I was going to say. It's like it just doesn't make a ton of sense to make a trade like this. Brash can help in a couple of different ways this year. So Viantos can too, but.

Potentially. Potentially. But Brash has higher upside, I would say. Everyday third baseman versus a reliever. He's definitely a reliever. Yeah, there you go. There it is. There it is.

I mean, I just, you know, eventually the Mariners are going to have to decide. They're going to have to make choices on guys like Stout and William and Brash and Hancock because eventually they are going to have not enough starters, but they're going to have five good ones and they're going to have to make decisions on those guys. I don't know. I would just hold off on this. It's fine. It's fine.

Like I could see this happening and I think it's pretty fair considering what Viantos has been able to do. I'll give it like, yeah, I'd give it like a 55 or a 50. Yeah, it's 55 for me, even though mostly because I know Ty would cry

if it happened. And he'd come on the show. the next day and you'd be like, no, it's, it's good, it's good. Like, don't get me wrong. It's a fine trade. It's just, because then you'll know how I feel, I felt when they traded Austin Shinton with Diego Castillo. I would understand, but I would be very sad that I wouldn't be able to see that slider. Yeah. Again, welcome to my world when they traded Shenton for Castillo. It's like, all right, Diego Castillo.

Oh, no, Austin Shinton. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just that Larry David, like, eh, yeah. You guys know what I'm talking. I just made the sound and you guys know what me on what I'm talking about. So there. All right. Well,

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