Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - FanFic Friday: Vientos, Taylor, Lamet and More

Episode Date: December 31, 2021

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode read and grade your Mariners trade proposals, including ideas for Mark Vientos, Chris Taylor, Dinelson Lamet and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We're going to be reading and grading your Mariners mock trade proposals. And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this. We greatly appreciate it. So Colby, let's get right into these trade proposals. Starting on, let's start actually with Twitter instead of email this time around. Let's start with Aiden, who has, you know, kind of crafted this brand. If you've been following these fan fiction Fridays for the last few weeks,

Aidan has kind of crafted this brand where he comes up with these really small, minor trades, but we kind of appreciate that. I like it when someone kind of finds their lane and sticks to it. So Aidan proposes the Mariners get right-handed pitching prospect, Colby White, and utility player Jim Haley for Marcus Wilson. the outfielder, along with right-handed pitching prospect Josias De Los Santos. Colby, what do you think about this deal? Well, you can take out Haley and Wilson.

They're irrelevant. They mean nothing. They're both like Haley had a terrible year this year. He had like a buck 88. And Marcus Wilson is just AAA Depp, so he doesn't really mean anything. What you're left with then is two pretty interesting pitchers. You know, Colby White, after a quick Google search appears to be on the fast track to the big leagues.

He is not on the 40-man roster as of yet, but he pitched at four levels this year, A, all the way up to AAA. And he made at least eight appearances in all of those locations. 43 games, he did start one game, but he's a reliever. 62 innings pitched 104 strikeouts and only 15 walks. so that is like CTZ to the to the max there on the picture side of things. De Los Santos is a very interesting prospect for the Mariners. Years away, he is an international signing guy. He has a lot of upside, but again, he's years away,

whereas Colby White's probably making his debut this year. So I guess my question would be, why would the Rays make this, deal because they don't have it's not like they have to put white on the 40 man or anything like that um actually they might have to no that i'm looking no he's rule five eligible next year um so like they would like if he's going to make his debut they will have to put him on the 40 man at some point this year um which could be an issue for them um good but i mean even the rays have guys they could drop off their 40 man pretty easily but here's what I was going to say before you rudely interrupted me.

I actually kind of like this deal. Like forget the two bats. They don't matter because Colby White is a guy who could help the Mariners this year. De Lo Santos will not. The Mariners have the 40-man spot to just add Colby White right now if they want to. The race kind of don't. And DeLos Santos is such a big risk. This is, it's kind of like last year when they traded for Raphael Montero,

and we know how badly that didn't work out. but it may not have hurt them at all because we still do you remember the pitcher they gave up for him tie um yeah exactly so yeah so yeah again this is a bit of a risky trade because white doesn't have any major league track record but the strikeout to walk ratio and the fact that he jumped four levels in one year like this is a dude who was you know pitching it for mississippi state in 2019 and he finished here in triple a Like, and he was good at every level he was at. It's not like he dominated at two levels and then sucked at his highest ERA at any one of his stops.

2.31. So, yeah, I'm, I'd be interested. I like this deal. I think it makes a little bit sense for both sides. I'll give it a 55. The only reason it's not a 60 is because the bats are so irrelevant. Like, come on. Come on, Aiden.

Sure. I feel like you might need to actually give up something better than De Lo Santos for White because of the year that he just had because of the trajectory that he's on because of, you know, how much ground he's kind of made up over this last year. Because he's not going on the door. But, yeah, no, De Lo Santos is solid. He's a solid prospect. But, yeah, I don't know.

I feel like you might need to give up a little something better than him. But overall, yeah, I'll go 55 on this as well. I think it's a pretty good deal overall. And it's pretty creative. But yeah, the bats, two cares. If you just did De Lo Santos for White, though, like that would have been probably a 60, honestly, 60, 62 even. Yeah, so. Very creative.

I like that one. Yeah, I like that one. Good job. The pitcher traded for Raphael Montero, Jose Corneal. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, I remember now. Yeah.

That was, uh, I, I know some people were upset about that, but ultimately. And he was absolutely terrible in the Arizona Complex League this year. Mm-hmm. Because he's 18. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyways. Mm-hmm.

All right. So, uh, thank you, Aiden. Let's move on to D-Train at Darren trained, who, uh, has a really creative deal with the, uh, the Mariners of the Mets in which the the Mariners give up um starlin aguilar and justin done and Diego castillo to the Mets for third base prospect mark vintos who is actually one of the better third base prospects in all of baseball and a minor league performer we know that jerry depoto loves those kinds of guys he's knocking on the doorstep of uh of major league baseball right now what do you think about the steel colby yeah it's interesting um

I don't think Justin Dunn means anything to the Mets. It doesn't really help them much. So really what it comes down to, it comes down to Castillo, who could help them this year. And they get an interesting prospect in Aguilar. They gave up their top third base prospect, one of their top prospects. But, again, you kind of start looking around the infield. And he said, well, Pete Alonzo's at first. Jeff McNeil's at second.

Lindor is at the shore. Escobar's at third. Um, they still have still got J.D. Davis. Yeah. So, um, there, there's a possibility here that maybe he's available. My guess is is that if they're shopping Viantos, it's going to be, they're going to want a starting pitcher back. Um, but, uh, again, you know, we've talked about this, uh, a few times, uh, in terms of a Jeff McNeil trade. So it's, it's kind of a similar type of idea here. Just McNeil carries more certainty. Um, so yeah, it's, it's definitely interesting. I, I would guess that if,

if they're shopping Viantos, they're going to want like a legitimate mid-rotation starter, somebody better than Taiwan Walker, basically. The Mariners have that to give up. No, not really. But I think you could look for a three-team deal here where the Mariners give up Castillo and somebody else gives up the pitcher and Seattle sends, you know, I don't know. I can't even think of anything off the top of my head, but they give up something that they have sack to loach, right?

And that's appealing to the team that has a starting pitcher that the Mets want. So I think they could do something like that. So yeah, it's pretty creative. It's an interesting idea. Haven't heard a lot of people trading Diego Castillo. It's mostly been a Steckenwriter when we get the reliever trades. So I'm going to give this one a 55. I think it's interesting.

Yeah, it's really creative. I'm going to give it a 58. I think it's pretty good. I don't know if it would actually get it done. I think it ultimately depends on how much the Mets really like, you know, getting Castillo, how much that's valuable to them or not, you know, there. But Aguilar is obviously a really interesting prospect.

I think Dunn still has something, you know, that could potentially be tapped into and maybe he needs to change the scenery. But yeah, I feel like it probably requires more from the Mariners side on the top end. But it's solid. It's solid. And I like the idea.

You know, for me personally, I feel like the Mariners should get a bit more certainty at third base. But, you know, if they exhaust all options and this is what they ultimately had to land on as their plan G or whatever, then that's a pretty solid idea. And it makes sense for Jerry DePoto. It's kind of right up his alley. So, yeah, I like this idea. So 58. Thank you.

Thank you, Darren. Appreciate the trade proposal. and we're going to be looking at more of your trade proposals in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bilt Bar. It's the New Year's. So that means New Year's resolutions. And if yours is about getting fit or eating healthier, make sure you include Bilt Bar in your plan. Built Bar is the protein bar that tastes like a candy bar, maybe even better than a candy bar.

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listen of the day, just like you do here every day. We greatly appreciate your support that you've shown us all year long. And we're looking forward to a wonderful 2022 with you, which, hey, maybe, just maybe the playoff drought will finally end and we'll get to experience it together. Let's go over some more trade proposals that you submitted to us. Let's go over to the email, actually, and see what you emailed over to us this past week. at Lockdown Mariners at gmail.com, starting with Cole, who has a deal with the Dodgers, where the Dodgers get Dylan Moore and Emerson Hancock for Chris Taylor, who they just re-signed. Colby, what do you think about this deal?

Yeah, so the fact that Chris Taylor just resigned with them, they're not trading Chris Taylor. They're not going to be interested in that. It doesn't make sense for them to do that. They would just have not signed him. the Dodgers aren't a team that needs, you know, a guy who might be really good in two years in Emerson Hancock. They have those guys. So for him specifically, it's not, the Dodgers aren't, they don't care about that offer.

That means nothing to them. But I think the more interesting idea here is, is, you know, would you have traded Emerson Hancock for, I don't, let's say, three years of a Chris Taylor-esque player, somebody in that, that, that range who offers similar versatility and similar output, is that something you would trade Emerson Hancock for? Because I think really what the question's about is, what can the Mariners get for Emerson Hancock? Yeah, it's just the thing with Hancock, right,

is like the ceiling is so exponentially high. I mean, you're looking at a legit potential ace. And whether he actually gets there or not is up, you know, is another conversation to have. but yeah odds are you know when it comes to ceilings for any prospect right the answer is probably won't probably not you know that's that's that's that's the safe thing to say sure but it's just it's yeah but it's just it's so it's so hard to know that that that is there that that is a possibility that that that is a legitimate possibility and to you know give that up for a guy and chris taylor who again

And, you know, good player, right? All-star level type of player, you know, but not a superstar, right? Not someone that's going to absolutely change the face of your organization either. So it really depends on like, you know, do you want the gratification of getting a three-win type of player right now? Or maybe holding out to get a guy who might be, you know, in five years down the road, one of the best pitchers in baseball. I mean, he has that ceiling. Will he get there again? That's a whole other conversation.

But that's certainly something that you have to think about because, yeah, while you're getting a good player in Taylor or someone that's in that same realm as Taylor right away, you could be looking back on this deal in three to four years and that one could come back to bind you in a pretty big way. For me personally, I don't like with this deal specifically, the Dodgers aren't going to trade Taylor. so I'm probably going to give this deal like a 35 to a 40.

But yeah, overall, the idea, like I get it, I think that's something that you should consider. Am I super excited to make that decision? Not really, though. Yeah, I think right now you'd be selling low on Hancock to trade him for a player like Taylor. And obviously there's going to be a player where Hancock makes sense and maybe a player like Taylor even makes sense for Hancock at the deadline.

Sure. You know, if the Mariners are in first place, they're winning the division by three games, and, and, you know, they're not getting the production they need from their third base position or whatever it is, right? Then maybe you pull the trigger on that type of deal if you have to.

But selling, I mean, Hancock has the possibility to have four above average to plus pitches. And he throws a lot of strikes. So, and like, well, he hasn't,

he doesn't, he's only got like 40 inings in his entire professional career. Yeah. so far he's not that far from the majors he's probably a year away from being legitimately in the mix yeah so yeah yeah i think when you're looking at hancock you want a guy if you're trading hancock you want a guy who is a you know all-star not necessarily floor but like chris taylor's ceiling is all-star you kind of want the player you're getting for hancock to be like that's like his mid-level he's a perennie you want a perennial all-star

star all-star candidate like at least and honestly if you're the mariners right now and you want that type of player and maybe they do and i obviously there's certainly value to it uh just go sign jonathan vr and keep hancock so yeah um the uh the trade proposal itself i'll give like a 35 uh the the question surrounding it which is really how valuable is emerson hancock right now that's uh that's a that's a topic that probably deserves more time on our podcast because it's a really interesting question. Yeah. I agree with that. So I think we're both in agreement that it's going to be 35s on the trade proposal, unfortunately. But for the question that it proposes, I'll boost it up to a 45. How about that? Yeah. So, all right. So let's move on to Daniel, who says greetings. How are you?

about Kelnick and Abraham Toro to the Rockies for third baseman Ryan McMahon and outfielder Rymel Tapia. I'll just make this quick and you know me I try to be nice as possible but this trade proposal is

generally awful. I'm sorry this is a 20. I think what our listener, I'm sorry, Daniel is it? Yes. Daniel are you a Rockies fan? by chance

because that's the only way that I can wrap my head around you coming up with this deal and thinking that it works. Right. Here's what I would say to Daniel is you're overvaluing something when you look at this trade.

Either you're over value, you're putting too much value in Kelnick's terrible 2021. You're putting too much value in Toro's September struggles or you're putting too much value in batting average. with Toppian and McMahon certainly hit for a higher average in those two guys.

And again, and it's not like Tapia doesn't make any sense for the Mariners. It's not like McMahon doesn't make any sense for the Mariners. But this is, you know, you'd be selling these two players like, Toro might be better than McMahon, like just straight up.

Like that is not outside the realm of possibility. And Kelnick is going to be better than Tapia. Just straight up, he's going to be better. If you had thrown Herman Marquez into this deal, maybe we could talk. But it's just, you're selling wage.

too low on Toro and Kelnick. You're getting, for those two guys, probably 25 cents on the dollar. So yeah, you're overvaluing something. I don't know what it is. I think it might be batting average or you're looking at the totality of Kelnick's season while simultaneously looking at just one month of Toros. There's just some kind of disconnect here, Daniel. So I think you need to go back and need to reevaluate what it is that you value

and just kind of apply it to the situation. think if you're like if you're the Rockies right like you take that deal in a heartbeat even if you think you can win this year because there's so much upside for it so I think you needed to add like hermonne Marquez into this deal and then it would have been really interesting so uh I would go back try to figure out what it is you're overvaluing and and work off of that because you're overvaluing something um and it's it's like you're getting two worse players for two better players to two the two worst players had better years than the two bad players or the two better players this is getting confusing but you still have to project ahead and look ahead and and best guess you like you shouldn't

drastically change what you thought kelnick was going to be because of 2021 right whatever you thought he was coming into the year that's how you should value them so 20 from you as well uh yeah i think so like i said it's really if he i almost feel like daniel meant to put harmon marquez's name the email because at that point it gets really interesting. I probably still don't do that by the way. I probably don't either. Mostly because I think that Marquez is pretty overrated. I think he's overrated too.

But like if that was the deal of Marquez was in it, I would still give it like a 50 because I think it's. Sure, sure, sure. I think it's interesting. Yeah. At the very least, it's a good jumping off point. But this, I mean, the Mariners don't even like let them finish talking before they hang up the phone on this.

So yeah. Yeah. So. All right. Let's do a, let's do a quick one. And yes, thanks,

Daniel. Sorry for being harsh, but that's, yeah. I just saw that. And I was just like, oh, okay.

But, yeah, let's move on to Curtis at courtesy baseball. Who has a quick idea here. Justin Dunn for Jordan Sheffield, Justice's brother with Rockies, who's a reliever, who's just,

just kind of a guy honestly out of the bullpen so I mean I kind of would rather have Justin Dunn because I feel like his ceiling is probably higher than Sheffield but yeah

there's a non zero chance that Dunn can still start and be like a number four starter for you yeah I'd rather just take the chance on Dunn because honestly I think they're going to be at the very least Dunn's going to be as good as Sheffield as a reliever and there's a shot you can start.

So yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Give it a 40. Yeah, 40 for sure. All right. So we have a couple more trade proposals to go over, especially one from Curtis again, which is actually pretty interesting.

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All right, we got two more trade proposals to go over, starting with Mike Turner at M6374. Mariners receive Xavier Edwards and Kevin Kiermire for Emerson Hancock, again, and Evan White. I like I really like Edwards I'll say that and I think that Kevin Kiermeyer is a great fit for the 2022 Mariners but I don't know if like

if you're breaking it down basically as like white for for Kerrmeyer and Edwards for Hancock not a huge fan of the the Hancock Edwards swap honestly because Edwards don't get me wrong really good prospect one of the better middle infield prospects and all

baseball right now no real power to speak of i think there's a pretty like obvious ceiling there uh obvious cap there and uh you know we just talked about how you know what the ceiling is for emerson hancock and why i wouldn't really why i'm not super motivated or thrilled to move off of that i uh yeah i don't know if i would i would do hancock for edwards even know that the mariners do have a need in the middle of infield specifically at second base right now i just yeah i don't know if that's the kind of talent level that I'm trying to pursue in a deal where I'm giving up Emerson Hancock. Yeah, honestly, like if I'm giving up Hancock in a deal like this, I probably asking for somebody like

Josh Lau plays the outfield, left-handed bat, he's a good fit for the Mariners too, and he's ready for the challenge of Major League Baseball. But in general, what you want, if you're the Mariners, if you're going to trade Emerson Hancock, just go trade him for a proven major leaguer. right um edwards like i said i like him i think he's a good prospect um but if there's not a lot of power there you're kind of hoping he's louisier eyes with good defense which is fine that's good player but it's it's not an ace right and again if we're looking at edward's ceiling we have to consider the ceiling of hancock so um i think value this deal honestly reminds me of like the

zack gallon for jazz chisholm swap yeah no i i like it i think i think it's really interesting I think it's creative. And I think the valuations are about similar. But I think when you look at where each team is, you know, where each roster is, Edwards just doesn't make enough sense for the meritors to give up on Hancock. Even though I like Edward. Let me ask you this.

If it was instead of Xavier Edwards, if it was Vidal Brugon, would you do this deal? Yeah, that's, oh man, that's tough because I really like Brugon. I don't know if Brugon has enough power for me to do this deal. He's kind of new to center field as well. The hit tool is really good. The power might get to fringe average, but he's already 23,

and it hasn't gotten a fringe average yet. So switch hitter. I'm going to say, yeah, I probably do it. That's just how much I like Brugon overall. But again, it's like, I honestly, I think I would prefer. for just from the mariner standpoint. I like Brugon and Edwards more than I like Josh Lau, but I think Lau is

a better fit if you're going to trade somebody like Hancock. So, um, overall though, I'd give this deal like a 52, 53. It's really interesting. Yeah, I'll give it a 50. It's a pretty solid deal. Yeah. All right, cool. Thanks, uh, for the, uh,

submission there, Mike. Appreciate it. Uh, all right. So let's move on to our last trade idea coming from Curtis Christensen. Once again, at Curtis C. baseball. Would both sides agree to a Kyle Lewis for Denelson Lamet swap? Padres need outfielders and the Mariners could use a first starter with upside. Lewis also has twice the control left on his contract. Thanks guys. I mean this is really interesting because you got a couple of

guys that have been barred by injuries. Lamet more so than Lewis because Lamet I mean it's a really scary situation there that it feels like he might be a little bit of a ticking time bomb with the kinds of injuries that he sustained as a starting pitcher. But Lewis also has some issues here, and the Mariners have openly expressed a lack of confidence in his ability to contribute this year in the all field. So, yeah, what do you think about this deal just at first glance, Colby? I think it's interesting, first and foremost.

I like Lament when he's healthy. He has like the legit number two upside. Yeah. But again, I think Curtis mentioned it right there that Lewis has four years of club control left. Lamet has two. And if Lamet is going to be hurt and like hypothetically right, how many starts does Lamet have to give you over two years to be worth four years of Kyle Lewis? Because Kyle Lewis probably still going to give you 400 games, give or take, in those four years. So how many starts does Lamette have to make in two for that to be a fair swap?

I mean, 35? 40, 50. Like, I, if Lamet had four years left, I think I'd probably do this deal just because Mariners could really use the type of arm like that. But it's the two for four thing. And it's,

I don't want to give up on Kyle Lewis because I feel like, and not that trading him for Lamet would be giving up on him. But I feel like Lewis is, I feel like his floor is at least a average major leaker. Like, despite his struggles, you know, in September of, 2020 and he wasn't like a tearing the cover off the ball in 2021 before he you know unfortunately

went out for the year but I feel pretty confident that he's at least a 100 WRC plus guy who's going to give you average defense in right field like I feel like I feel pretty confident that if Kyle Lewis is able to stay healthy he can be a two two and a half one player he's max kepler right-handed max kepler to me and there's always a possibility that he breaks out and he has a huge year like Kepler did in 2019, I think it was. So yeah, I think to me he's right-handed Max Kepler. I feel pretty confident that that's where he's going to be so long as he stays healthy and there's upside for more. So I'm probably not going to do it, but it's certainly interesting. And it is enticing, especially if you think Lamette can stay healthy for two years, which I just,

I'm not willing to bank on. Yeah. No, I think it's really interesting. I really like the idea. I really, I get the idea. I think. think the mariners probably end up saying no because i think there's just too much risk involved with lemmet i think that's something that could easily blow up in their face where lemette ends up only making two or three starts for them over those two years um i i think that i think there's a legitimate risk there and um yeah well the reward is is is massive right the potential reward there is just absolutely massive that's undeniable um it's it's just there's the the risk is just too scary to take on especially for a, you know, one of the few young major league ready talents that you have that's

already shown success at the big league level. Even with the injuries and even with some of the uncertainty surrounding him, that's still, that's a lot to suddenly give up for a guy that carries even more uncertainty and less club control. So, yeah, I personally would probably say no. if I'm Jerry depoted on the Mariners. But it is a really interesting idea. And for that, I'm probably going to give this one a 60.

Wow. Okay. I'll give it a 50. Okay. I thought it was a really interesting idea. I ultimately, I just, I don't think that it works for the Mariners. But yeah, I think, which is why I gave it. It's something that I've even thought about when we were doing the offseason plan. because you're trying to find some ideas here,

especially with the payroll and all that stuff. You're trying to look for ways to cut corners and everything. And the Mariners might have to do that some as they put together the finishing pieces of this roster. But yeah, in the end, I just think that the risk is just far outweighs, the reward here.

But thank you for the idea, Curtis. I really liked it. So thank you all for your. ideas and thank you all for your support this year. That's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners for Colby Patnode. I'm Ty Dan Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez. It's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-E-T-1-1. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode. And thank you again for making us your first listen of the day, just like you do here every day. Now,

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