Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Foreign Substances and Poor Sportsmanship

Episode Date: July 20, 2021

D.C. is joined by Locked On Mariners Contributor Jon Miller and Clive Braithwaite IV to open up the fan mailbag. D.C. and Jon answer questions about the changes baseball made this year in regards to pitchers' use of foreign substances, what the rotation may look like a couple years from now, and hitters showing up pitchers after hitting a home run. They spent so much time answering these questions, they ran out of time before getting to all the emails. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today on Locked-on Mariners, the host tries to get back on track and does his best to be coherent after what amounts to pretty much a wasted weekend. Welcome to Locked-on Mariners, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Here's your host, D.C. Lundberg. I've basically had a splitting headache since Saturday, and after feeling really off on Thursday and Friday, I'm still not feeling quite like myself, but a little better. But this still could be a very interesting episode of Locked-on Mariner. part of the Locked-on Podcast Network or T-L-O-P-N or T-L-O-P-N or T-Lopin.

Please remember to download and follow this program using whichever podcasting app that you personally care to use. Ask your smart device to play Locked-on Mariners podcast or any program here on Tloppen. We will be replying to your listener emails here after we take care of a few other items. I'll bring in our guests first, however. And first among those is Locked-on Mariners contributor. who will be answering the email questions along with me today, as he ordinarily does. Mr. John Miller, John, how are you? Now work well.

Also with us today is to read the emails for us, my personal secretary, Clive Braithway to the fourth. Clive, how are you doing today? I'm very well, but I am sad that you're leaving the show, because that means I'll be out of a job. Not that you paid me, but I still enjoyed it. Well, we still have one more email episode before we fold up our tents here and turn the show over to a new host, probably next Thursday. In fact, definitely next Thursday. But before we get to today's emails, we do have some unfinished business to attend to, as I did miss yesterday's show, as I was quite out of it, unfortunately. To be a perfectly honest, gang, I did not see either Saturday's or Sunday's game.

I spent most of the weekend resting in bed, and I think I was napping during both of these games. but just looking at the pitching line from USA Kikichi, another one of those games where he just didn't have it. And I did see part of the post-game show, actually, and they were saying that his stuff was flat once again, and he was getting hit pretty hard, and hopefully he can turn that around pretty soon. It was a 9-4 final,

and the only reason the Mariner scored four runs was because Mitch Hanigur hit a three-run home run in the ninth inning to make it seem a little bit closer than it really was. But it was kind of, you know, just kind of a loss. game from the start. And on Sunday, Logan Gilbert beat the Angels 7 to 4. He pitched 5 in a third innings, but he threw over 90 pitches in those 5 and a 3rd and he's not the most efficient of starts for him, although he did strike out 9, which is

ratio-wise huge. Four hits allowed two runs they were both earned and two walks. So the Mariners do wind up taking that three-game series Friday, Saturday, Sunday, against the Angels. They took Fridays and Sunday's games, so they win the series, which is still pretty good. Will Vest, I mentioned sometime last week that he had been designated for assignment, and I was surprised that the Tigers didn't take him back. The Tigers did reclaim Will Vest after his designation for assignment for that $50,000 fee to the Mariners. So he is again part of the Tigers organization. I'm sorry to see him go. I thought that he might have a future as a contributor out of the bullpen for the Mariners.

I can't wait to see what he does in Detroit over the next few seasons. He's still an unfinished product, but I think he does have a future as a contributor out of now the tiger's bullpen. Ace Fraley was placed on the COVID-injured list over the weekend after he was scratched from Friday night's game with flu-like symptoms. And he was placed on the COVID list on Sunday, I believe. And in his stead, a minor league veteran Dylan Thomas was. recalled, who has played two games with the Mariners thus far, both of them in Detroit. I like the way he looked, so I'm excited to see what Mr. Thomas can do at the big league level once again.

He put some good swings on the ball, had some good at bats, and played a pretty good outfield. Mitch Hanager was named Player of the Week. I feel like this is a new news update. It's kind of nut. Mitch Hanager was named Player of the Week, so congratulations to him. I believe he hit 4.55 or something like that over the previous week or so. Tonight's game in Colorado will start at 5.40 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. And it'll be Marco Gonzalez versus Hermann Marquez. And now, Clive, to the emails. What have we got today?

We don't have a tremendous number of emails, but we have a couple that may take up entire segments. We'll begin with one such message from Justin Degony from the outskirts of Olympia. He writes, Howdy D.C. My question is this. After watching multiple games with the new foreign substance rule I have a lot of questions, one of which is how this was put in place mid-season? Also, I was reviewing the Max Schercer incident where he was checked multiple times and the opposing coach said he needed to be checked again after his players struck out. They went out and checked him again. I think I know how you feel about this, but how do you feel about an opposing coach calling for a check again?

that had already happened, because his player struck out. I have a thought on this and wanted your opinion on it. I do agree foreign substances should be banned. What do you think of limiting the amount of times a pitcher can be checked in a game? I believe if multiple checks occur and frustration builds within that pitcher that is on a good streak, it could affect their ability to focus on their game. and a huge congrats on pursuing further education and a new career. Thank you.

That is quite the question. It is. We have quite a few questions like that today. We don't have that many questions, as Clive indicated. But a couple of them are going to take up entire segments. I think this one is probably going to be one of them. And because the questions were so deep this time, John and I discussed them a little bit off air. And Mr. Deghani brought up a point that I had not thought of,

which is a very, very good point. Why is the commissioner able to do this? You were mentioning to me the other day, John, that doesn't, shouldn't this have been run past the players union or the owners? Would you like to speak to that just a little bit if you could? Well, this is really not a new rule. This is simply just asking umpires and wanting to make sure that, and Commissioner Manfred has said that it is consistently be,

enforced. This is rule 3.01. No player shall intentionally discolor or damage the ball by rubbing it with soil, ross and paraffin, licorice, sandpaper, emery paper, or other foreign substance. Yeah, and this rule, I mean,

that's a good point because it's not a new rule. It's just really a reinforcement of one that's been on the books. Obviously, for a long time, if paraffin is mentioned in the rule as well as licorice, I want to meet the fella who tried to put liquors on a ball. Actually, I shouldn't say that because it was probably not a bad strategy.

No, I imagine that would work fairly well. And what I believe needs to be addressed in Jason Hernandez and I spoke about this in another episode. Yeah. What needs to be addressed now is the manager's ability to ask for a pitcher or other player to be inspected after they've already been inspected. and that's what Joe Girardi did in that situation with Max Scherzer, and I believe Jason and talking about it seemed to think that he was just looking to get tossed. Yeah, yeah, he might have been looking to get tossed.

I don't remember if that happened or not. I think the umpires said, okay, we'll go chuck him again. And that's the other part of Mr. Deghani's email, multiple checks for pitchers, and I have it written down here, what did it say? how do you feel about an opposing coach calling for a check that already happened because his player struck out limiting the number of checks per game perhaps? I don't know if you need to limit the number of checks per game,

but if you're going to do it, do it whole hog and check the pitcher every inning. And I don't know why they're checking them after an inning, after the fact. Wouldn't you want them, as an umpire, you want to prevent something from coming into the game rather than finding out after the fact? I would think so. Yeah, so doing this at the end of innings really makes no sense to me. And if you do it at the beginning of the inning, that potentially will hopefully prevent the other manager

or any member of the opposing team, I think it has to be the manager, from going to the umpire and say, hey, check this guy. And then the umpire can say, no, I've already checked him at the beginning of the inning. Did you see him walk back to the dugout and load up? I didn't.

It would prevent. so many problems doing it at the beginning of the inning, John. That's exactly right. I think we almost need to have someone there prior to the pitcher leaving the bullpen where they're warming up, have them go through the pat down or whatever. Because as much as Commissioner Manfred seems to be worried about games taking longer, this is going to cause the games to take longer. And this does not eat into the pitcher's time between inning. that they get to throw or any such other thing. This is just added on to that.

Yeah, that's a good point. We're actually going to get to that in the C block a little bit. Somebody, another person wrote in about pace of play issues and whatnot. And Jason and I were talking about this on an episode that we did, that a pitch clock would help immensely. Well, D.C., they do have a pitch clock, and they have a similar clock for, actually it's 20 seconds after a play for a manager to be able to challenge something and ask for a replay.

Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, they already have it for that. Why not institute it here as well? But we can get to that a little bit when we get to that particular email. But just to wrap up this foreign substance issue, again, it's not a new rule. It's a reinforcement of an old, rule, which I guess that's why they can get away with these mid-season changes, as it were. And getting back to your point about checking a pitcher as it's coming out of the bullpen

or coming out of the dugout to begin and inning, it can't be a clubhouse attendant. It's got to be a part of the umpiring crew, wouldn't you say? Yes, it has to be that non-biased third party, because otherwise you could very well see it where the clubhouse attendant is going to do that. and just conveniently not check somewhere, or that's when they're going to slip them the Emery board or something. Yeah, or the sunscreen for a better grip or whatever.

Yeah. I mean, having the bullpen coach do it. You know, they're good to go, yeah, he's fine. Yeah, right. Like, they're going to tell the truth if he knows his pitcher is loading up. It's got to be a member of the umpiring crew. It's got to be a neutral party. Justin, thank you very much for writing in

and bringing up points that I had to. and thought of. Always appreciate it when our listeners are on the ball like that. Right now we've got the trivia corner and we've got this trivia question today. Marco Gonzalez will be pitching this evening in his home state. He is from Fort Collins, Colorado. That as you may know, he went to school in Washington at Gonzaga, just up the road from me. Did he go to high school here or in Colorado or somewhere else? I'll let you know after this word from Rock Auto, which is a family business serving

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For this next one, we're going to drop the Clive Braithwaite to the fourth schick. And I don't want to be too mean to this guy, but it was not exactly the best written email I've gotten. The use of punctuation was rather limited, and there were some things that I don't think he proofread

real well. So trying to run it through Clive's Texas speech engine just was not going to happen. So I'm going to read it, and I'm going to read it, and I'm going to read it exactly as it's written. Hey, D.C., it's Ryan from Ten, I know Washington again, haven't sent in anything in probably a year, but I just had a couple questions. You can answer one or them all, whatever you decide. I've been thinking recently about the starting rotation going into 2022 and 2023 and having control of Marco through 2024,

plus our young guys, A-R-E, still in the minors. Could you see Flexen, not capitalized, given unproven throughout his years in the league, could he get a extension this offseason to be a two or three in the rotation to come? And so could you say, also not capitalized, get that as well? Another question I had is why the hate for what the game is becoming with the show for fans, I understand that some things shouldn't change, but baseball has far dipped below the NFL, not capitalized, and NBA, also not capitalized.

In fans over the last 20 years, I've been alive, wouldn't you want, as a host yourself to see more fans listening to your show you increase. I'm not saying everything going on is right by all means, but the little bat flips and things of that nature aren't hurting anyone. Enjoy the show and look forward to potentially being on it. Have a great heat wave day sent from my iPhone. This was sent during the massive heat wave. I'm not sure.

What date was that? Was that the day that it hit 111 here? I don't remember, but we're still in the 90s here. going to be in the 90s for the next several weeks. If anybody out there wants to send an email to the show or anywhere, to be completely honest, I beg you, please prove read it. Ryan, I swear I am not trying to be mean, but that email was quite difficult to read. Just to address the second part of the email just briefly before we start talking about the pitching stuff, if we were talking about just little backflips, then there wouldn't be an issue, but we're not talking

about just little backflips. We're talking about showing up the opponent, which is what the mariners have done a couple times, and that's what I had an issue with. But as far as the rotation goes, Logan Gilbert is definitely going to be a part of this rotation, barring some sort of catastrophic injury, heaven forbid. Two starts ago, the start where he went seven innings, I want to say, John, that was almost a masterpiece. And that could be a sign. a positive sign of things to come. He mentioned having control of Marco through 2024. You know, last year he was brilliant.

In the last couple of years before that, he was also very, very good. Not the same this year, and who knows why that is. He also talked about Flexon, who was up until this year unproven, but he's got a much different approach now. His command has improved. I've been very impressed with Mr. Flexen, so I think he could be a part of this rotation. for quite a while, and I'm not exactly sure how old he is.

I'm looking that up now. He is 27 years old. He just turned 27 a few weeks ago. So he's still a fairly young guy where Marco is 29, and his birthday is in February. So Flexen's about two and a half years younger. He could be a part of this rotation for a while, and the Mariners have him through next year. He was signed to a two-year contract, I believe. He also mentioned Yise Kikuchi.

who was also, in my estimation, unproven going into this year. I will let you say a few things after I'm done rambling, John. But you say obviously it could be a part of the rotation for a few years to come as well. Who knows what the guys and the minors are going to develop into? Logan Gilbert has seemingly panned out so far. 11 starts into his major league career. He is doing very, very well. You can never predict how a player is going to develop, however.

and that's why I think that predicting out the rotation is not something that I'm prepared to do beyond a couple, maybe even beyond this year, John. No, and with the way the Mariners seem to like to make changes and the way some of us fans are left guessing is like, okay, why did you do that? I thought we were trying to rebuild. so you really can't. I would say that if I were managing or general managing, based on the projections going off of where we are this year, I would have Kikachi, Flexen, and Gilbert,

and then Gonzales as a, well, I'm old school guys, so I would go with probably a four-man rotation. maybe that odd fifth guy as a spot starter slash long reliever. But I would have Marco as much as I like him. I would have him as my three or four man in the rotation based on how he's done this year. And also kind of based on how Flexen and Kikichi-San have done this year because they've really stepped up their games.

Oh, definitely. And, you know, getting to your point of a shortened rotation, remember the gang, the Mariners still have a six-man rotation this year. and that they said it was because of the lingering COVID weirdness from last year. I don't know if they're going to go back to a five-man rotation next year, but if they do, then they've got some decisions to make. Ryan did not mention Justice Sheffield or Justin Dunn in his email. Justice Sheffield has really regressed this year.

His stuff is not what it was last year. His command was not what it was last year. But last year, he showed that he does have the potential to be. a good middle of the rotation starter. Justin Dunn, I'm still not sold on. He's got to improve his command, and he's got to stay out of so many full counts and two-two counts, and he's got to stop throwing so many pitches. Otherwise, he's not going to be a good option as a starter. Whereas you've got Gilbert, who is a rookie. It's his first year. Emerson Hancock is sitting down in the minor leagues, as is George Kirby, and they're obviously much younger than Mr. Sheffield, Mr. Dunn,

or even Mr. Gonzalez. So the Mariners kind of have sort of a glut of starting pitching going forward, and they're all under 30 years old. Kikichi actually might be 30. Let me check on that. But everybody else is under the age of 30. Kikigtsi Son is 30 years old. Yes, he's about 30 years and one month old.

Actually shares a birthday with my friend Riley, June 17th. So, you know, the rotation in the future is usually when you say it's filled with question marks, that's a negative thing. There are so many potential starters who could be a part of that rotation in 2024 that it's going to be very interesting to see how it shakes out. I don't know if Mr. Sheffield's going to be a part of it. I don't know if Mr. Dunn's going to be a part of it. I would be surprised if Mr. Flex and's not a part of it if he can keep up what he's been doing throughout the remainder of this year and next year.

You say Kikuchi has seemingly arrived, and hopefully Marco Gonzalez can turn it around and regain the form that he had last year. We are way behind schedule, so we'll talk about the second part of the email in C Block. Before we get to that C Block, if you out there have a question or a comment, send it over to Lockedon Mariners at gmail.com. Questions and comments on any subject are highly encouraged. Does not have to be about the Mariners, does not have to be about sports at all. And as I mentioned on last Friday's program,

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Welcome back to Locked-on Mariners. Here once again is your host, D.C. Lundberg. Thank you, J.M. Back off for the final segment here on Locked-on Mariners, D.C. Lundberg here, along with John Miller and Clive Braithway to the 4th. I have to say that I'm so glad you did the ads, considering my brain is not behaving today. and now I feel bad about bagging on Ryan's grammar in his email after using the phrase,

much bacon, which is not proper at all. I guess I kind of had it coming to didn't I. We're not done with Ryan's email yet. We did talk about the pitching part of it. And the other part of it in talking about excessive celebrations, that part of the email, I'm obviously going to disagree with you on this one, Ryan, because these little backflips, as you put it, we're not talking about just little bat flips. I'm talking about a player standing in the batters box, posing for a home run

after he is hitting and admiring his handiwork. And that is showing up the opposing pitcher. I don't think Taylor Tremel meant it that way. And I don't think Shed Long Jr. meant it that way. But this is why you have veterans on the ball club to take these young guys aside and say, you know, you might not want to do that because the pitcher is going to take that as showing him up. And you never want to show up an opponent. They're out there working just as hard as you are, and you don't want to insult them. And there are pictures still around who are going to take exception to that. I'd like to see Tramela Long do that against Max Scherzer, because I don't think he'd take it very well, John. And I know that you have some

thoughts on this as well. I was actually just about to toss to you so you can put in your two cents. Go for it. Yeah, he certainly would not take it well. And there are pictures who learn from, and I believe in our conversation the other day, we mentioned someone like Garrett Cole. Yep. Both of these guys are good veteran pitchers who will have younger guys watching them and learning from them. And so this old school thing will continue. There will be guys who are going to see that and say, okay, next pitch is ending up in your ear, so to speak. You're getting a little bit of chin music there. Yeah. And I will say to throwing at people's heads. for that is an extreme reaction.

Throw it as hip or something like that. But don't aim at his head. Continue, please, John. Oh, yeah, that was merely an expression, but... Yeah, although there are pitchers years ago who would throw what people's heads if they got shown up like that. And I'm glad that that's kind of gone by the way, said, because again, that's an extreme reaction.

You don't want to fool with the guy's careers. You just want to send a message, hey, don't do that again. But you don't want to screw with his career or is potentially life. No. You would want to either see how good of a jumper he is and aim for his feet or just simply put, aim for center mass, hit him in the ribs, send him a message, get him with a nice bruise, and like, okay, you're not going to do that to me again. And not that anybody's earned the right to show up a pitcher like that,

but Tremel's a rookie, and he was hitting a buck 60 at the time, And if you're a veteran guy out there or even not a veteran guy and a rookie hitting a buck 60 hits a home run and then poses like that, Tremel is not by any stretch of the imagination earned that at all. Rookies, I mean, it used to be that rookies were supposed to be seen and not heard. And that's kind of gone away too. And I'm not unhappy about that because rookies are important parts of ball clubs or they can be. the kind of light hazing with the rookies in the bullpen wearing pink backpacks.

That's kind of fun, but other rookie hazing rituals, so to speak, that used to go on years and years ago. I'm glad those have gone away too. So yes, the game can change and evolve, but I think it's gone too far in the other way. And Justin, if you think that these players are putting on these shows for the fans, you are unfortunately mistaking. It's all about drawing attention to them. Hey, look what I just did. That's all it is. It's not for the fans, John.

I think these, you're exactly right, D.C. I think these guys would do well to take a page from baseball Hall of Fame or Kirby Puckett to when he hit a home run. He would race around the bases. He wasn't going to spend time. He's not pumping his fist. He's just, I'm not wanting to show anybody up. I'm wanting to get in, get out, and keep the game moving.

There is one instance where he was kind of pumping his fist around the bases, but he had just hit a home run to win game six of the World Series in 1991 to extend the series and get to a game seven. There are instances where, and he was not showing up the pitcher at all, because he was still running around the bases, and he kind of clenched his pitches and said, yeah, that's not showing up the pitcher. Joe Carter hitting the home run to end the 1993 World Series.

I mean, he was going around the bases, you know, jumping in the air. He had just won the damn world series. So he gets a pass as far as I'm concerned because that was genuine. He, you know, he described it as total peer joy. And that's the kind of player that Joe Carter was. And to bring a Mariner's aspect into this, look at what Ken Griffey Jr. did when he hit a home run. Yeah, he would watch it leave, but he would also be on his way to first base.

There's a huge difference. Griffey had style and class. someone who was a little more flamboyant back in the day, Sammy Sosa. He would hop out of the batters box when he knew he squared one up, and I didn't have a problem with that either, quite honestly. You can put your own spin on hitting a home run without showing up the pitcher or the other team. But the line is crossed when you stand in the batters box and admire your work.

It's all about respecting the opposition. They're out there busting their asses just like you are. I take that very seriously. I take sportsmanship very seriously. play the game hard, play the game with respect. And I think a great deal of the respect part of it is lost on a lot of the modern players. And it's probably not even most players, but quite a few of them. We do not have time to get to the other two emails.

We're actually going to save them for tomorrow's show. We'll have two games to recap in the evening. And then in the final statement of the day, we'll get to the other two emails. Clive, thank you for reading one of them today. You're very welcome. Talk to you tomorrow. You bet. John, thank you for joining us again today.

We'll talk to you tomorrow as well. Where can people find you on Twitter, sir? I can be found on Twitter or on the Spotify Green Room at Seattle Pilot 69. Very nice. Tomorrow will be an evening show since it's an afternoon game tomorrow. We'll be talking about tonight's game and tomorrow afternoon's game on tomorrow's show. And we'll also get to the other two e-mings. that we did not have time for today.

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