Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - GEORGE KIRBY FOR MASON MILLER?! Seattle Mariners Fans Submit Their CRAZY Trade Ideas

Starting point is 00:00:00 It's fan fiction Friday. Let's see what you cooked up. Colby, hit it. You are locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors. It is Friday, June 12th, 2026. My name is setting as Alice and I'm joined as always by McCos Colby Patnode. Great news, everyone. We don't have to talk about the last two games because it's fan fiction Friday, the show where you submit your Mariners trade ideas. We grade them on the 2080 scale based on creativity.

Starting point is 00:00:35 uniqueness, and of course, if they make sense for both clubs. Let's start here with this trade from Colin, who has a deal with the Cincinnati Reds. Spencer Steer is heading to the Mariners in this one for Teddy McGraw, Jared Sundstrom, and Michael Morales. And that just kind of feels like, hey, here's a bunch of stuff that I don't want. It's not very tempting for the Reds, I would think. Spencer Steer is not a great player, but he is a solid major leaguer who happens to, you know, happens to be destroying left-handed pitching this year. I think he's approaching a 200 WRC plus.

Starting point is 00:01:11 I think it's 189, something like that. And, you know, he's usable against Ritey's. I wouldn't say useful, but he's usable against Ritey's. So there's not like he can only hit left-handed pitching. He doesn't really have a position in that, no matter where you put him, he kind of stinks there. So, though I think he was pretty good at first base last year. I don't know if that followed this year, but you're not really benching Josh Naler all that often, are you? So, yeah, the steer is an interesting player.

Starting point is 00:01:40 Again, we've talked about them quite a bit over the years. And I do think that, you know, if the Reds are willing to move, you know, the player, which we don't know, they're kind of, you know, struggling, but in the middle of a playoff race still. But again, we assume that they're willing to sell steer when the deadline comes around. It's going to cost more than this. So if you're trying to use the Randy trade and then, like, adjust it for. negative inflation because obviously steer is not as good of a player as as randy was when you acquired him same amount of club control uh just you know randy's just better um i i think you're still you know over or undershooting it underselling it i think you're probably looking more

Starting point is 00:02:22 at something in the mason peters and corvin dickerson area to kind of facilitate a trade uh where obviously you know dickerson is daden smith and uh brodie hopkins is played by mason peters in this trade. Although I do think that, you know, I probably, I'm not sure where it's tough to know where the red stand in their long-term outlook right now. So yeah, it's just, it's not enough. Again, it's it's three quarters for a dollar to me. And I mean, maybe not even three quarters. I think those three players are kind of four A up and down types for, for most. teams and and you know I like Teddy McGraw I wish you could stay healthy and and it's nice to see him pitching out of the bullpen in the miners right now and you know performing some but I just

Starting point is 00:03:17 don't think he's going to carry much value Morales is you know the ceiling of a number five and Suntrums maybe a fourth fifth outfielder I just don't think that's going to get it done for Spencer steer I think at this price the Reds would just hold on to them and see if they can make a wild card push no and none of those guys are helping their values this year either right now. Like McGraw has just gotten back on the field. I'm not sure if he has any trade value right now just because he hasn't been healthy at all

Starting point is 00:03:44 during his pro career. Sunstrom right now has a 64 WRC plus in AA as a 24-year-old. And Michael Morales is in AA for the third consecutive season and he's been terrible, frankly. So I'm not really sure if any of these guys really have any trade value to speak of at the moment. especially not to carry a deal for, you know, a guy in Spencer Stere right now who, yeah, there's some issues against Ritees. He's a weak side platoon bat most likely.

Starting point is 00:04:17 But he's got a 112 WRC plus right now. He's got two and a half years of club control. He's already hit 10 bombs. You're going to have to give up something real for Spencer Stier. And what you're giving up for steering this deal is not. It's not real. It's not even remotely close to what I think the Reds would actually be willing to listen to. Yeah, like the idea of Spear and I think that the Randy trade is like a decent starting point if you adjust correctly.

Starting point is 00:04:49 To work down from, yeah. Yeah. I just think you overshot it going down. Like I think you, you think you're on the ground level and you need to be on like level three of the hotel, so to speak. So, yeah, I don't know, 30, 35. Like, it just, you overshot it. Yeah, I'm at a 30 on this one. Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:07:54 Drop the link in the description or go to Lockdown Mariners. Dot supercast.com to learn more. Switch has a deal here with the Arizona. and Diamondbacks. It's Paul Seawald and Kevin Ginkle both heading to Seattle for Logan Evans, Charlie Bileanson, and Brock Rod. All right. So this one's interesting because obviously Ginkle and Seawald are both rentals. So there's only so much that the Diamondbacks can ultimately ask for in the end here. But the Diamondbacks are also still in the mix. So not even sure if they would

Starting point is 00:08:28 actually trade either or both of these guys. We'll see. You know, they are one of those teams. that even if they're kind of a fence straddler, they might be willing to trade these guys, even if they feel like they could still compete for a playoff spot. That said, though, I kind of feel like they might be able to get better for these guys, especially if they're trading both of them in a package deal, than a guy in Logan Evans who has really the ceiling of a number four, number five, who is currently recovering from Tommy John's surgery.

Starting point is 00:09:00 Because I feel like he's the headliner here. like Charlie Bion having a good year but he's a 26 year old and double A he's a 26 year old with levers specifically in double A

Starting point is 00:09:09 Brock Rodden nice player would love to see him at the major league level with the Mariners at some point this year but I'm not necessarily sure he's he's the headliner here either it does feel like a lot of this hinges upon how the Diamondbacks feel about

Starting point is 00:09:21 Evans and I don't know just Evans all due respect to the guy he just doesn't really feel like the type of profile the Diamondbacks or really any team would be like yeah, we're willing to to wait on him and oversee his return from Tommy John

Starting point is 00:09:38 and his recovery and his rehab and all that. Like we're willing to trade these two fairly valuable pieces for that. Yeah, I just think at this price, you know, and where they are right now, the Diamondbacks probably be like, just keep them and take a shot.

Starting point is 00:09:54 You know, I just, I think now that we fast forward, you know, five weeks and the Diamondbacks are seven games. or 500 and then like, okay, yeah, then we can have a little bit more of leeway here. But I think, you know, just judging the team as it sits right now, you're probably going to have to convince them that it's still worth selling and maybe convince them that, yeah, they're selling these two pieces, but they're getting pieces that could actually help them this year.

Starting point is 00:10:20 You know, everything breaks right. And they kind of become this year's version of the Guardians, right, where they just kind of sell, but they still go on this big win streak. And Bielsen could be that guy because he could. could help them out of the bullpen. But it's that piece, that first piece, like you said. And I'm just kind of, you know, trying to think of who is that piece that would entice the Diamondbacks to trade these two guys instead of just keep them and see if they can.

Starting point is 00:10:48 Because I don't think the Diamondbacks are going to be sad if they don't make this trade. And they're like, oh, man, we could have had violence in Rod. And like, I don't think that's the case. And I think that type of player is probably maybe Corby. Dickerson or Mason Peters as kind of a headliner here. And at that point of your Seattle, it's like, why don't we just call it Brockmore and, you know, Charlie Bilanson if we want two mid leverage relievers and give those guys a shot. So there's just a lot of unknown right now, which is obviously, it's June 12th. But I do think you need a better headliner here, but I'm just not quite sure who that is because I don't know if I want to trade, you know, Mason Peters for a couple of, you know, mid-high leverage guys, as much as I love Paul Seawald.

Starting point is 00:11:31 So, yeah, I'm a little bit not sure. It would have to be a deal where, like, you know, you're getting, you're kind of giving up bulk. And again, to be fair, Seattle and Arizona have had a lot of trade talks over the last calendar year. And the Mariners did acquire two rentals from them just last year. And so they kind of understand. And we know that how this works is, you know, the Diamondbacks say, hey, we want this guy and this guy. the mayor's like, no, this is what we're willing to do.

Starting point is 00:12:02 This is what we're willing to do. And then last year it was Locklear and Garcia. And those two guys as headliners played for the Diamondbacks last year. Like they contributed to the time, not well, but they played for them. And so I think that's probably what the timebacks would be looking for is a couple of guys who could help them at the major league level this year right away. And I just don't think that they're going to view Rodden as a guy. And obviously Evan physically can't do that. So tough to say.

Starting point is 00:12:30 think this is a 50 though i don't think you're too far off like yeah i mean but yeah like bylinson and rodden would play for them in 2026 it would be a similar idea to what you were just talking about but yeah i just don't know if it moves the needle enough for for them and i think i would i would i would absolutely trade mason peters or corbin dickerson in the seal for both of these guys if i can get both of them absolutely i wouldn't be upset yeah no i wouldn't Yeah, no, like, plus like Ginkle striking out guys. Seawald's striking out guys. I need more strikeouts in this bullpen.

Starting point is 00:13:06 I would be upset about it. You're pulling on my heartstrings here a little bit with Paul as well. So like, got to acknowledge that. Yeah, but like Mason Peters is cooler than Paul Seawald, probably. But yeah, I'm trying to win a World Series right now. And I think like Kevin Ginkle and Paul Seawald would absolutely very much help me. You want to trade one World Series appearance for five in a row, when Mason Peters is the number five starter for this team and he's still getting

Starting point is 00:13:33 Sy Young votes. You should have done that interview, not me. I think that's what we're finding out. I think you should have the one-on-one interview. I mean, it'd be a lot like Shoresy and Laura Moore. I just don't know if we'd get anything done, but you understand that reference. You're probably cool. But yeah, it's, I wouldn't hate it.

Starting point is 00:13:54 But I do think that this trade package that you put out probably get you one of them. probably Seawald I had to guess. And that's assuming that the Diamondbacks are more out of it now than they are or more out of it then than they are now. Not that much more though. Yeah, I'd say this is still like in the 50 range. Yeah, I'll go 50.

Starting point is 00:14:19 The Stratt has a deal here with the Boston Red Sox where the Mariners get high leverage reliever Garrett Whitlock for Lazaro Montas. Okay. Teddy McGraw And Rob Ref Snyder

Starting point is 00:14:36 salary swap I guess I don't know Yeah So this week On my substack I Put out a rare

Starting point is 00:14:49 article And a trade deadline Plan 1.0 So to speak And yeah Garrett Whitlock was in it I really like the idea of Garrett Whitlock.

Starting point is 00:14:59 I've mentioned him to tie once or twice. And, you know, again, the Red Sox, they almost certainly have to be selling. Like, that's not getting any better. They've already fired their manager. They're in last place. They're, what, 13 games under 500? Yeah, they're like, what, a game or two better than the worst team in baseball right now? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:20 They're that bad. Yeah. So barring a heck of a turnaround over the next month. they're going to be selling now they're going to trade chapman so do they want to trade garret whitlock probably not uh is is the thing and whitlock is under club control for three more pennant chases you get him for this year and then he has back-to-back team options that are very friendly uh for the 27 and 28 season and honestly it's very similar to munoz in his contract situation um would you trade munoz i mean there's probably a bad time to ask this but would you trade munoz for last

Starting point is 00:15:57 Montes? Some of you might, but the answer is no. In reality, no, you wouldn't because you can get more for him than that. Whitlock is the guy that I look at and I say, you know, this is basically their second shot at Duran. The Mariners thought they had a deal in place to get him last, like they were convinced they were getting him. And then kind of at the last minute, the Philly swooped in and made a better offer and the Mariners couldn't do it. And so could they go back to that well again? could they try and get, you know, the two plus years of club control of, you know, a daddy reliever that they desperately, desperately need right now, especially since you have to assume Brash probably isn't going to throw a pitch for you this year. At the very least, it's going to be, you know, a month to two without Brash. They need that reliever anyways.

Starting point is 00:16:49 Could they do it this year? Yeah, I think they could. But I do think that Duran is kind of the price point for Whitlock. And that's two top 100 prospects. And ideally one of them has made their major league debut, like Mick Abel. So I think that's where you start. Now, in my deal, I also had Romi Gonzalez in it. But I had a Royo and Stevenson.

Starting point is 00:17:17 Stevenson, I think, is going to be very highly valued in trade talks this summer. He is a catcher almost. I mean, he's nearing major league readiness. He's a plus defender with plus power and is showing a little bit of hit tool, drawn walks and all that. I think he's going to be much more valuable in trade talks than like, you know, the general consensus of his draft profile or his prospect rankings would suggest. But again, I think, you know, you have to be open to get with luck.

Starting point is 00:17:49 You have to be open to trading two of your top 100 types. And I think that means you have to be open to trading last. you have to be open to trading Farmello, Arroyo, Stevenson, Belman. I think you have to be open to trading two of those guys to get Whitlock and it's probably worth it if we're being honest now. I kind of have to trust the Mariners to pick the right too.

Starting point is 00:18:09 They've been very good at picking the right guys to trade and the right guys to hang on to. But yeah, as for the trade here from distraught, I think you're one top 100 prospect short. Like, if you're the Red Sox, why would you take less for Whitlock than the Phillies took for Duran. Same club control.

Starting point is 00:18:27 Duran is a little better, but Wittlock has a longer track record. So that kind of evens out. I just, I don't see it. I don't see them taking significantly less, and that's what this would be. This is significantly less for Whitlock than it would be for Duran.

Starting point is 00:18:43 So I think you need to add a top 100 prospect in there. Yep. You got a good first piece here in Montes, who should probably be like the second piece. But you're going to need someone else on top of him, somewhat of great significance here on top of them as well to push this across the finish line. All right. We'll go over more of your trades in just a moment.

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Starting point is 00:21:20 Ford slash Control the Zone, link in the description of this episode. Jeff has a deal here with the Chicago Cubs, where the Cubs send Javier Hasad, Caleb Wing and Pedro Ramirez to the Mariners for one Mr. George Kirby. This doesn't seem like enough for George Kirby for me.

Starting point is 00:21:38 No, no. No, I mean, Wing is off to a good start in his career, but it hasn't even been a year yet since he was drafted and he was a fourth round pick. So how much value does he ultimately hold? I don't know. Peter Ramirez, one of the better infield prospects in baseball,

Starting point is 00:21:56 and he's major league ready. Okay, that's cool. Javier Assad is whatever. Yeah, just throwing. I think I can do better for two and a half years of George Kirby. Even with some of the struggles that he's had over his last five or so starts.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Right. Plus, I mean, we're really going to do the whole thing where it's like, oh, Pedro Ramirez plays third and Colt Emerson plays short, and we just DFA J.P. Crawford. Like, it's not happening, guys. It's like they're not trading J.P. Crawford.

Starting point is 00:22:33 They're not benching J.P. Crawford. So where does Ramirez even play this year? Like, you can just sit them in AAA and wait for J.P. to go away. I don't see it. So, yeah, I think you can do better than this. I really do wish Jonathan Long had an easier fit with the Mariners because I really like that bat. But he's first base only, really. And obviously, you're saddled up there.

Starting point is 00:22:55 So yeah, I just, I think you can get more than this. You're getting still, even with Kirby struggles, you're getting two and a half years of a, you know, number three starter, who's been very durable in his career and there's still probably more to get. At least a lot of teams would probably think there's still more in the tank. They have the right tweak to get, you know, Kirby where we know he can be because he's been, you know, a number two or better for pretty decent stretches of his career. So I just think I can get more than this.

Starting point is 00:23:25 I would want at least two top 100 prospects and probably somebody who helps me at the major league level right now, like a really good reliever before I'd even consider trading George Kirby or or tariff school. I, yeah, one of those things. Sure. Yeah, I think, you know, if we assume the Mariners, because I don't want to be like the Mariners aren't selling, you get a 20. if we just assume that they're open to trading a starter this summer, right? If we just give you that. I still think this is like a 40, maybe even a 35. Yeah, this would be incredibly underwhelming if this is what the Mariners got for George Kirby.

Starting point is 00:24:09 So I don't know. Maybe I'm underrating Caleb Wing a little bit. I know that, again, like I said earlier, I know that he's had a really good start to his pro career. but yeah i don't know just one kind of fringe top 100 prospect for george kirby feels cheap do the do the tigers like ramirez or yeah do the tigers like ramirez or wing because am i flipping them to get tarrick scubel then okay we can have a conversation but the a is so bad the tigers are actually playing pretty good ball now that they might not even to trade taric scubal so whatever uh yeah but even if we take the leaps that we need to take to make

Starting point is 00:24:51 this like a viable conversation. I still think you're short selling George Kirby. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go 30 on this one. Okay. All right. Last show of the day comes from Sown as a deal with the Padres and it's a it's a dozy. Mason Miller to the Barroners for George Kirby and Luke Stevenson. I mean, it's an elite closer. The Padres have a very deep bullpen. They don't have starting pitching.

Starting point is 00:25:21 what they do have is pretty pretty injured i think the club control i think miller's got one more year club control but also george is going to throw more innings in his two years then miller will throw in the next you know five even though you only have it for three more years miller's also going to get incredibly expensive via r if that is part of the if that is part of the new cb again caveats there so it's like i don't know would you trade like a a all-star caliber starter for two years for an elite, like the best closer in baseball for three years, based on where the mariner's are right now. Like ordinarily, no.

Starting point is 00:26:04 But when you factor in the Mariners have six starters right now, Kate Anderson's, I mean, basically ready to go. Ryan Sloan's probably not that far behind. You know, maybe, maybe. Luke Stevenson feels like a bit overkill, but I, you know, you know, I guess. I don't know. I just thought this was, like,

Starting point is 00:26:26 your first thought is like, no, and then you're just kind of like. Did you know by F4 that Mason Miller has been more valuable than George Kirby this year? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Of course he has. He's running like a 55% strikeout rate.

Starting point is 00:26:40 And George Kirby's kind of been mediocre. So, yeah, of course he does. Yeah. But again, it's 180. 51% K rate is crazy. imagine who he finishes the year of 54% and he's on the Mariners when he does it I don't I don't even

Starting point is 00:27:02 who says no tie like part of me wants to say the pagers would actually say no but you're going to get 100 you're going to get 200 innings max from Miller you're going to get 200 innings from Kirby in year one

Starting point is 00:27:23 yeah why yeah and I mean at some point they're probably going to trade mason miller probably but also like you know Kirby's starting to make Kirby starting to make money so how does that impact this with the Padres because obviously there's you know the whole stuff that's going to make a ton in arbitration as well yeah so I don't know man this one's don't forget they're also getting Stevenson in this deal this one's interesting Padres do I mean they have Ethan Salas so maybe they don't want a catcher yeah yeah yeah but if it's what if it's what if it's like michael oroyo sure yeah like

Starting point is 00:28:05 i think there's like a couple of guys that are kind of interchangeable in that range yeah um felon it's it's not this is 60 you can see the you can see the gear is turning to my head uh huh yeah you're like no

Starting point is 00:28:28 but also, but no, it's that, it's like, yeah, right that, well. Yeah. Like, it feels, it feels wrong. But when you logic it out from both sides. Yeah. You're like, it's just like when you see it, though, when you see it written out, like just first. Like, it just looks wrong. It looks like no, no, no way.

Starting point is 00:28:55 No, that's, that's. The more you think about it. yeah this is at least a 60 because we don't really know how to react to it and not because it's stupid like there are two kind of there's one that's so stupid that we don't even put them on the show like like that's how stupid they are we send them we send them to each other and laugh so if you're on the show and you have a sitting here going like maybe yeah i mean that's like yeah that's at least a 60 I think you need to talk to hobby about this and see what he thinks.

Starting point is 00:29:38 I'm debating now how crazy I want to get with the... Ty's thinking about throwing an 80 on this. That's how much he likes this trade. I don't know about an 80. I don't know about the first 80 in fan fiction Friday history. I don't know if this is that yet. I mean, are we ever going to have an 80? That's true.

Starting point is 00:29:55 That's a good point. That's a good point. If this isn't an 80, we're never going to have one. All right. it an 80 then you first no I don't think this isn't 80 I think this is a 60 to me like an 80 is like not only can we see it happening it's something that

Starting point is 00:30:12 we never thought of and we could do like a whole show on it just on that one trade on a fan fiction Friday yeah I'm gonna go 70 I'm doing it I'm doing it that might be the highest graded trade in the history of I think it is

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Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - GEORGE KIRBY FOR MASON MILLER?! Seattle Mariners Fans Submit Their CRAZY Trade Ideas

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