Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - How Does Mariners' Rotation Stack Up Against Rest of AL West?

Episode Date: February 28, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss where the Mariners' rotation stacks up against the rest of the AL West then answers your questions, including who should be the team's starting center fielder in an ideal world and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.Rock AutoAmazing selection. Reliably low prices. All the parts your car will ever need. Visit RockAuto.com and tell them Locked On sent you.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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and also get into some non-baseball talk twice a week. Visit patreon.com forward slash control of zone. For more information on that, if you are interested, we will be answering your Mariners questions in the last two segments of today. episode of lockdown mariners but before we get into those we're going to be looking at seattle's rotation see how it stacks up against the rest of the a l west and if this is your first time joining us welcome to the show if you like what you hear give us a follow or subscribe wherever

you're listening to this we'd greatly appreciate it so colby over the next couple of weeks we're going to be looking at different position groups on the mariners and seeing how like i said earlier they stack up against the rest of the al west first up we have the starting rotation and this is a initiative here. So if you're interested in hearing how the locked on A's folks and the locked on Astros folks and the locked on Angels folks and the locked on Rangers folks feel about this particular topic as well, go and check out their shows after you're done listening to this one. So

Colby, let me just ask you this right away. Obviously there's a lot of uncertainty still, especially with the Mariners rotation given the lockout, given where they are. They added Robbie Ray, of course. That's the big one here. But with Logan Gilbert's rise and Marco Gonzalez, you know, kind of having a shaky year and Chris Flexen being a nice surprise. How do you feel this rotation stacks up right now? Yeah, when I was looking at the rotations around the American League West, one thing I noticed is that it's really arguably a four-team race. I mean, as of right now, Oakland still has a very

good rotation. We expect that to change once the lockout is lifted. And it will certainly look different by, you know, July 31st. But Houston, again, pretty good, pretty good rotation. But there are some questions there, mainly guys coming back from injuries. The Angels on paper would appear to have a good rotation, but it's the Angels. So, I mean, come on. And the Mariners rotation is it's currently incomplete. Like we don't know what the Mariners rotation is going to look like. I think we know who four of those guys are going to be, but I think you and I are both expecting the Mariners to add a significant person in the number five spot.

Whether or not he pitches in the number five spot, it doesn't really matter, but they are going to add a significant arm. Maybe somebody like Sunny Gray, maybe Frankie Montas, maybe Chris Bassett. We don't know. But that is our expectation at least. it's a little tough to rank these right now when the post when the offseason is really

like a month long right now. So it's a little tough to say but I think it stacks up pretty favorably. I think when you look at depth in the high miners, the Mariners are probably in the best position to withstand

a few injuries here and there. But as things sit right now, I did rank them third behind Houston and Oakland, but I think they could have the best rotation come opening day whenever that is. I think they could have the, I think they could have the fourth best rotation, depending on how things shake.

It really is that close. And then, you know, you just have the Rangers kind of out there by themselves in fifth place. Yeah. I don't know if they're going to be able to build a rotation no matter what they do that's going to end up being better than the Astros on day one on opening day. I mean, you just think about that rotation that Houston has right now and adding Verlander back to that. Obviously, we got to see how he gets back on the horse

if he's able to get back on the horse here. But when you think about Valdez and Garcia and Nertiti and McCullors, that's a really good rotation. McCuller's coming back from injury too. Yeah, of course. Of course. That all has to be accounted for. Two big horses coming up

of pretty serious injuries. And you have Valdez who, you know, number three starter, good pitcher. Not great. same with her quietie i i think you can make a case if the mariners added somebody like louis castillo right i i think ray castillo um marco for example i think that's probably just as good as verlander mccullers uh valdez i think it's right there so i i think you could make an argument but yeah i think you're right i think ultimately houston's

is going to be pretty tough to top um at least come opening day at the end of the year Yeah, who knows. Yeah. And then, yeah, I agree with you as well. Like, I would probably put the Mariners three, um, just like you. Because the athletics right now is there, as they're currently constructed and you mentioned it, uh, earlier, they are probably going to look a lot different than they do right now come opening day whenever that is.

Um, but right now with, with Bassett and Montas and Mania and those guys like that, that's a, that's a really strong rotation. And it, and the thing for me with the. Mariners rotation is just there's there's still a lot of uncertainty right now like we hope that Logan Gilbert builds on his really impressive September and figures things out and adds more efficiency to a secondary and tertiary offerings but you know that's still kind of a question mark Chris flexen being able to repeat or at least be able to build off of his first year in the big leagues last year first full year at the big league level last year you know the

that's another question mark. What is he going to look like with the league having a full book on him, this turn around? You know, I worry about Robbie Ray regression, of course. Obviously, he's changed some things in his mechanics that should be able to be sustained, but I have my doubts that he's going to repeat his,

his, you know, the Cy Young caliber type of productivity that we saw out of last year. So taking that, all into account. The one thing, though, that I'm pretty confident is that Marco Gonzalez is going to bounce back from the year that he just had. I think that's kind of an outlier. I don't think that that's who Marco is. He dealt with some injuries. He had the birth of his daughter. There was a lot of stuff that went into him kind of struggling at given points in time throughout the season and

the ebbs and flows of it all. I think as long as he stays healthy this year, I think we're going to see a Marco Gonzalez that Moore is in line with what we had seen previous to 2020. So I feel in general, and you also made another great point about the prospects that they have, right? George Kirby, Brandon Williams, and some of the guys that we do expect are going to at least get some innings at the big league level at some point this year. Matt Brash, another one, probably the first guy that we'll see out of that group, honestly. But, you know, I think honestly this rotation might have the most upside in the ALS. but will that come to fruition? Who knows?

Right? Like there's so much and that goes back to the to the conversation of how much uncertainty is is here. But I think they're firmly third right now. Taking everything into account, taking the uncertainty into account, taking the upside into account, taking the, you know, just whoever this mysterious fifth starter ends up being into account. I think like at most, I think the first. I think the floor for that fifth starter is going to be someone like Michael Paneda,

who you've mentioned a bunch. That's pretty good. That's at least in line with, you know, the Tyler Anderson, maybe even a little bit better than Tyler Anderson. But I think also we're probably more likely looking at someone like Sunny Gray being added to this rotation. And at that point,

I think they end up going into opening day, just trying to project here. I think they end up going into opening day with the second best rotation in the in the division yeah i think it's definitely possible um you know the angels rotation on paper is pretty interesting i mean obviously show hey otani um yeah no center guard right uh no cindergarde um you know you kind of michael lorenzen yeah michael lorenzen is interesting i really like jose swaris he's kind of a fun arm um mm-hmm so you kind of look at their rotation you go it's not bad but again

How is Cinderguard going to look coming off of the Tommy John? He's a little overrated anyways. He's more of a three than a two. Yeah, I was going to hold up. And what happens if slash when, you know, an angel starter gets hurt? Because it's going to happen. It always does for the angels. Not a lot of depth.

Yeah. Reed Detmer's like, he wasn't good. I'm so unimpressed by Reed Detmer's. You know this tie. I'm not a big Detmer's guy. Yeah. So, yeah, I just, I look at that rotation. and I go, if you could tell me that I was going to get 162 starts from those five guys,

like total. I mean, yeah, that could be pretty solid rotation. It's not going to happen. When would Dylan Bundy join the twins? What the heck? Yeah, that was very early on, but I do remember that. But yeah, it's one of those things where it's, it looks good until you dent the armor a little bit, and then it loses all its integrity.

And so if, you know, the angels suffer, you know, six to eight week injury with Cinderguard which is totally possible with Otani which is totally possible like they're relying on Reed Detmer's and Griffin Canning to weather that storm uh

whereas the Mariners right now they're relying on Brandon Williamson or Matt Brash or George Kirby yeah it's it's quite different so that's why the Mariners said of the Angels so to summarize I think you and I are both in agreement here that the Mariners rotation it could

better and we think it's going to be better than it is right now by the time that opening day comes around again whenever that is but there's definitely a lot of uncertainty to account for here but at the end of the day they're in pretty good shape so we are going to be answering your mailbag questions here on mailbag monday but real quick another reminder that this episode of locked on mariners is again brought to you by betonline dot net football might be over this season but Basketball is in full steam for both pro and college hoops. And from all the latest odds, totals, player performance props to where the next fire coach is going to land, betonline.net is the number one spot for all your sports betting needs.

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are on the market. Which pitcher would you prefer and what's a 60 grade trade that you guys would be interested in? So Colby, I'll defer to you here real quick. Who of the trio of A's pitchers that seem to be available? That's Sean Mania, Chris Bassett,

and Frankie Montez, would you prefer? Well, the best one, which would be Montes, You know, I think if you're asking me to rank them, I think it would be Montes Bassett Mania. Basset Mania pretty interchangeable, but they're clearly the second and third options behind Montes. I think a 60-grade trade for Frankie Montes would be like Taylor Trammell, Zach Deloach, and, you know, Will Fleming, something like that. It's hard to see the, it's hard to see the A's doing something like that.

But, you know, they do take bulk from time to time. And it's not impossible that, you know, maybe they really like Connor Phillips or maybe they really like, you know, Bill Carr Perez and Victor LaBrata. And they want that more than they want Taylor Tremel. But, yeah, I think the odds of getting a 60-grade trade for Montes are pretty slim. the odds of getting a 60-grade trade for Bassett or Mania, I think they're a pretty decent chance because those are the type of guys that Oakland could go bulk.

They could look for a lot more bold. Like, I have no issue seeing, like, the biggest prize the A's getting in either a Bassett or Mania trade being like Connor Phillips. Like, that's the best guy they get. And while I like Connor Phillips, if you're asking me would I trade, you know, Connor Phillips for one year of Basset or Mania,

Yeah, probably. So yeah, I think for me it goes Montes, Bassett, and Manaya, with Mania and Basset being completely interchangeable and a clear step below Frankie Montes. So that's how I would rank my preference. Yeah, Montas, I agree, is probably not going to be too attainable for the Mariners. Like, he will be, but I don't think he. will be at a cost that the Mariners are ultimately comfortable with.

That makes sense. So for me, honestly, I like Bassett a lot. I think Bassett's a good fit. I think he, to just slide him into the middle of that rotation, um, I don't think he's going to cost a ton relative to his talent level. So yeah,

I'd probably go Bassett one, Montas two. Mania three Because like Mania is Don't get me wrong Mania is pretty good But

Um He's the least exciting Of the three to me And I don't know There were some reports I don't know if you saw these Colby

But there were some reports Earlier on in the off season Where They were asking for What you were kind of Describing on the Monta steel For for someone like Mania

Which might also be the case for for Bassett as well so who knows but yeah that cost has to come down for me to trade for really any of these guys because I can just go to the reds and get Sunny Gray for

like Levi Stout you know somewhere in that Connor Phillips range probably or maybe Brandon Williamson which that's a that's a tougher pill to swallow but right well maybe gray also comes with a little bit more club control mm-hmm a little more

And so that's something to, and he's at a, you know, and even though that he's at $10 million a year, that's still, you know, that's still an absolute steal for someone like Sunny Gray. So I have options here. I have options to more or less leverage here. And so I'm interested to see where, like how much the A's are willing to come down and they're asking price and how much, you know, and when teams finally say, all right, that's something we're comfortable. with what the Mariners say that they're comfortable with because at the end of the day the A's are going to trade these guys. There is no way that they're going to pay all three of them. And I think the fact that we're probably going to miss, you know, miss regular season games. I don't know how many. But I think the fact that, you know, the A's are going to lose out on the

limited revenue of those guys even probably makes them a little more motivated to trade people who are making money like Manaya, who's, you know, in the last year of arbitration. Probably going to make like, what, eight, nine, 10 million bucks. So, yeah. yeah i feel like mania is is probably the most likely of them to get traded um but yeah for me like i'm not trading brandon williamson for sean mania no nor am i for for chris bassett by the way no like would i trade him would i trade him for frankie montes i probably would um sure or strongly consider it at least but again that's because if minaya had two years of club control left then i could see it but he doesn't

Yeah. So that price has to come down on all three of the guys, really. And I think it will. Yeah, I think it will as well. I think eventually teams are just going to wait out the clock on the A's and force them into a position where they're more or less, you know, where they more or less have to trade one of them or two of them or all three of them, really. So we'll see how that goes. We know that Jerry DePoto has said that he likes all of the A's guys.

he didn't say specifically the pitchers, but he says we like all of them when asked about players that the A's have available. So, yeah, it's a safe bet that they've had some discussions there on that front. So we'll see what comes of that whenever teams are able to start talking to one another again, legally, that is. All right, J-Quah wants to know, what do you think Andres Munoz and Ken Giles will add to the Mariners' bullpen this season after recovering from injuries or should we be worried? and if you are worried, who should we try an ad? So I'll say this. I'm not all that worried. We've said this before on the show talking about the bullpen

that the Mariners have plenty of fail safes. There isn't a ton of pressure on Andreas Munoz or Ken Giles to perform, really, if we're being real. Coming off of the year that the Mariners just had in the bullpen with Drew Steckinrider, Paul Seawald, Casey Sadler, Diego Castillo, et cetera. It's a good bullpen right there. So really, all,

that Munoz and Giles does is just bolster that even further. And yeah, there's going to be some regression from the four guys that I mentioned, but or at least that's what fans should anticipate. But yeah, at the end of the day, I really, I don't think that this bullpen is dependent on or the success of the, the bullpen is dependent on whether Ken Giles or Andreas Munoz or good this year. I just think that they're luxuries at the end of day and they just make a really good bullpen all the more better.

So yeah, I'm not worried at all. I don't think that Ken Giles is going to come back from Tommy John and be the Ken Giles that we had seen before that or for most of his time at the big league level before that. Obviously there's been some hiccups here and there. But yeah, and same with Munoz. Like guys also coming off of Tommy John. He's only thrown in the inning at the big league level.

since then, which was in game 162 last year, of course. But, you know, there's a lot of stuff to like with both of these guys, and especially Munoz. And they've invested in Munoz, given him an extension. So they really like him as well. But at the end of the day, like I said, you don't have to rely on either one of them. So I think you're in a good spot right now.

And so I would have very little to no concerns about either one of these guys. Yeah, it's like I said, you don't really need them. If they're there and they're pretty good right away, then Seattle's bullpen lead that they pretty much have over the rest of the division already only gets that much wider. And, you know, I don't think it's wise to go out and spend big money on, you know, relievers for the just-in-case.

I think the just-in-case guys are, you know, Matt Brash and Wyatt Mills and Patrick Weigle and like, plus Jerry's really good at finding those guys, you know, plucked Austin Adams for nothing, Connor Saddick for nothing, Paul Seawald for nothing, Drew Steck and Ryder for nothing. Like, this is the one that like, not even the biggest Jerry to Potoh hater can deny that when it comes to finding bullpen arms, Jerry is fantastic at it. So I'm not worried about the bullpen at all. Maybe it's not very good to start, but it will be fixed.

I'd be shocked at the bullpen was the problem for the Mariners heading into even like the third month of games, whenever that is. Yeah. Honestly, this might be their best position group in general, which we're probably going to be talking about this more on Wednesday show. But we got three more questions to answer, but real quick, I want to remind you this episode of Lockdown.

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likely geometry of the outfield in 2022 and beyond. He adds that I think Taylor Tremel planning out or Kyle Lewis being able to stay healthy and take that spot is the best case scenario, but what would you do? So thank you for the question, Ben. For me, yeah, I agree that best case scenario, Kyle Lewis is healthy and he probably

center field for you. But that doesn't seem super likely. Now we'll see with the delay of the season, or the expected delay of the season. It's for context here. It's 1236 Pacific time. On Monday that we're recording this right now, we have no confirmation that the season is getting delayed yet, but all signs point to that happening.

Anyway, maybe if the season starts in May or June or what have you, Kyle Lewis is healthy by then and you play centerfield. So that would be great. But yeah, I feel like they're putting all their eggs. in one basket, which is Kellnick or Julio panning out there. I don't like that idea as well, just like you. At least I'm not a huge fan of it. I think

Kelnick is going to be a little bit better than he was last year. I think he can be at least average in center field. Julio, it remains to be seen. I mean, he is certainly incredibly athletic and more athletic than I think a lot of people think. So,

it's possible that he could handle it properly. I mean, none of us thought that Kyle Lewis would be a proper centerfielder either. So especially after his injury. So yeah, but overall, what would I do? Honestly, my preference at this point, because the centerfield market is so light, while I like Kevin Kiermire,

he's one of the best defensive center fielder's in the game, he would cost a lot of money that he gets into a chunk of what else I could do on the market. I'm probably put in, say, Suzuki in center field if I'm making the decision. I'm signing him, putting him in center field, because I think he could at least be average out there. And I feel better about him in centerfield than Jerry Kellner.

Colby. Still kind of assuming you can get him. Based on what's on hand, what the Mariners have, like right now, it's going to be, like the best case scenario would be Kyle Lewis being healthy. Well, actually the best, best case scenario is probably like Taylor Tremel is an actual big leaker, like from day one.

Sure. And because he's probably the best center fielder. But, you know, the more realistic scenario is that Lewis is healthy enough to play centerfield four or five times a week. And he does that and he's just as good as he was before the injury, which allows you to slide Calnick to left and then or right, depending if you get Conforto or Suzuki or, I don't know, Nick Castiano or whoever, right, doesn't really matter who. Right. And then Hanager in the other spot and tell Julio is. deemed ready to come up. At which point, you know, Mitch D.Hs quite a bit.

So, again, you need four good outfielders to get through a season, probably five, but the Mariners right now have one, like one for sure good Major League outfielder, and that's only with his bat. So, yeah, the Mariners need help out there. And if they're not going to go out and get Suzuki or Conforto, which would be a mistake for me, and they don't want to pay Kiermeyer, then I don't know maybe it's just we live with Calnick's defense and in center field innings one through seven and then in the eighth inning we go and we throw

you know Billy Hamilton out there in center field and move Calnick to right and get Hanager out of the game maybe that's a way you can kind of you know kind of put out the hands team like they had a few years ago and work your center field defense that way But yeah, best case scenario would be Kyle Lewis, healthy, playing center field as often as he possibly can. All right. Let's move on over to Twitter, Daisy and the dingo at Daisy's dingoes. How do you think the Mariners will approach the draft this year, i.e., what positions might be of interest? Do you think they'll pursue higher floor guys in the first few rounds like Kirby and Gilbert or higher ceiling like Ford?

Any specific players you guys really like? to me i think at this point where the mariners are where they're not really uh they're not really drafting guys to fit their timeline anymore i think it's just best player available i was of this belief last year i really wanted them to draft benny montgomery colby was really into the idea of drafting harry ford and look what heck yeah i was exactly exactly so yeah i i think that's kind of the same strategy this year as well i think you go best player available with your first round pick or maybe look to get creative, you know, with your bonus pool.

And just get the best value out of your draft class that you can. Yeah, that's the way most teams do it anyways. You know, as I think Ty's right, it's the best player available that you can sign unless you're going to try and do something fun with the bonus pool, which Seattle's done once when they drafted Evan White and Sam Carlson. they haven't gone under slot in the first round though even Evan white was a slot guy so you know it doesn't appear that they would do that but then again it also didn't appear like

the mariners were going to draft a high school position player until he did so yeah um you know oh they're they're always going to draft college guys they prefer college guys and then last year their first what four picks were all high school guys so um they're just going to trust their board they're going to trust their people. In terms of like who are some, some guys that I think probably makes them sense. You know, I'm going to butcher some names here because I haven't seen them play.

I've only read about them. But Zach Netto from Campbell, he's a shortstop. Carter Young, who actually played high school ball in Sela, which is right next to us. He's the shortstop for Vanderbilt. There's some swing and miss there, but he's got some power. He's pretty good.

He's going to be able to stick. a shortstop, good defender. Robert Moore, college second baseman from Arkansas. I really like Landon Sims, but obviously it feels like he's not going to be there. Dylan Beavers is interesting. You have Kevin Prada. Obviously, Luis Ramirez, who we're all very impressed by. Yeah.

It's actually a pretty good draft class, particularly for college bats, which is a nice change because for the last few years it's been college arm heavy in prep bats and not so much the other way around but i could totally see them doing even something like going um you know ian ritchie uh who's a local kid high school kid from bainbridge island um drafting him because he's got that type of stuff at 21 so literally anything is up for grabs but those are a few of the names i've found that i like so far um obviously there's a ton more and you know we'll do more draft coverage once we know when the draft is and once we once we you know have a regular season to also talk about but yeah i think ties right i think it's just mostly hey you know we really like

this guy we can get him signed let's take him all right so last question of the day comes from at eight crash davis who says i'm here for a playoff berth as much as any mariner's fan but do you think an expanded playoff should that happen would water down the accomplishment at all just a thought that's been on my mind given the CPA talks. Playoff berth is obviously a win. Either way, you said it right there. Playoff berth is a win either way. I don't get this whole notion that the Mariners

making the playoffs in an expanded playoff format as some sort of Mickey Mouse playoff appearance. That's ridiculous. Even in an expanded playoff format, even if it goes to the utmost extreme that the league and the players have been discussing of a 14-team playoff, 14-team playoff format,

that you're still one of the you're still better than half of the league at that point you still have to be better than half of the league to get into the postseason i i just don't see how that's how that should really diminish that at all you know you're still going to have to be above 500 you're still probably i mean last year and last year's a bit of an outlier but last year had the same playoff format being been implemented the mariners would have been the seventh seat at 90 wins and so yeah typically it's probably going to take more like 83 to 85 wins, but that's still, like, you have to be really good to get there. We have seen how hard it is to get to just 80 wins, to get to 500, to stay at 500 for a whole season. It's incredibly difficult. So that's still very much an accomplishment that should be rewarded at that point. I'm not as opposed to the playoff expansion as a lot of other people, especially when it comes to the Mariners and the Mariners ended in the drought.

I don't think that that should diminish that accomplishment whatsoever because again, like I said, you're still better than half of the league. Yeah, it's one of those things. I don't get it. The answer is no, not for one single second. Will it enter my head that, oh, well, they had to go to seven playoffs or oh, they had to be a short season to make the playoffs. There's somebody in your life who's going to tell you that, get them out of it. they're anti-fun. And not for nothing here, but the most celebrated team in franchise history that nobody will shut up about is the 95 Mariners,

who, what do you know, made the playoffs the year after the playoffs expanded in a strike slash lockout short in season. You want to take away the accomplishments of the 95 team because they expanded the playoffs for the first time? Really? You want to go back and wreck on that? No, then shut up. And I'm not saying this to the person who asked the question. Obviously, they're very much heck yeah out playoffs. But every Mariner fan should do that.

And if any Mariner fan is going to tell you not to do that, get them out of your life immediately. They're not really Mariner fans. They're there just to suck the joy out of everything you like. And you deserve better than that. So to answer the question bluntly, no. And if this is the person you are, then I guess the 95 team, that didn't matter at all. because all they did was end a long playoff drought in a strike shortened season the same year that the playoffs happened to expand

get out of here with that nonsense no absolutely not yeah like i said 83 85 wins even if that's what it takes to to make it as the seventh seed and again this is also assuming that the mariners in the drought by being the seventh seat or the sixth seed or whatever we don't know that it could be the fifth seat they can win the division we don't know that is it likely no but we don't know we don't know how they're going to end the drought still so yeah uh but even if they did get in as a as a seven seed as a six seed winning 83 85 87 games whatever it takes still a great

accomplishment that's still something that takes a lot of work to do to put together i think it's a fair question i'm not you know i'm not trying to um um you know, put hate on the person who asked the question or anything like that. It's just the notion of that that anybody would think that is absolutely ridiculous to me. And, you know, at 8 Crash Davis and say he thinks that, but it's, that's fine. But like, if you do think that, you know, maybe this isn't the podcast for you because I don't have time for you in my life. So thank you for the question, eight Crash Davis. It's a good one.

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