Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - How Good Are the Gloves in Seattle?

Episode Date: March 7, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss where the Mariners' defense stacks up against the rest of the AL West, then answer your questions about which M's will lead the team in several statistical categories and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.Rock AutoAmazing selection. Reliably low prices. All the parts your car will ever need. Visit RockAuto.com and tell them Locked On sent you.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Visit patreon.com forward slash control zone for more information on that if you are interested in want more of us. It is Mailbag Monday on today's show. We actually didn't put out the tweet for questions today because we already have quite a few to go over. So we'll be answering those. And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show.

If you like what you hear, give us a follower, subscribe wherever you listen to this. We'd greatly appreciate it. So before we answer your questions, we're actually going to look at the Mariners defense and talk about how it stacks up against the rest of the AOS. So Colby,

I'll start with you. Where do you think that they rank in the division right now defensively? Not at the bottom, but maybe not at the top. I mean, it's a little tough because defense is so subjective. And we can look and say, well, according to the metrics, but we know how inconclusive defensive metrics are, although they are getting better. But defensive metrics tell you that Evan White is a bad first baseman

and at least the UCRs and the fan graphs, defensive scores, and all that stuff. And we just know that's not true. So you kind of go around the infield and you kind of look at it, you know, play by play, position by position. And, you know, Thai France, probably a 55 glove at first base. Adam Fraser is probably a 60, 65. Same with JP Crawford at shortstop.

And then at third base, right now it's Toro. And Toro's probably a 50 to 55 somewhere in there, which is at least, you know, as good, probably a little bit better than Seeger was last year for you. So around the infield, it's pretty good. Obviously, you know, Murphy is is about average, maybe slightly below, but somewhere in that average range. So yeah, around the infield, it's quite good. It compares quite favorably. When you head to the outfield, that's where we have some issues.

That's where we have some major issues. Mitch Hanigar well below average in right field. He is a 40 glove right now at best. Calnick and Center is probably, what, 45 at best, probably a 40, though. I mean, last year, if we're being real, just looking at some of the metrics, maybe at 30. Right. And then left field right now, we don't really know who's the starting left fielder. If it's Fraley, that's a 50 at best.

if it's more, that's probably a 50 as well. You know, it's just, it's kind of a mess right now. And it is kind of part of the reason why you and I have talked about going out and getting a guy like Kevin Kiermeyer or even somebody like Billy Hamilton, because you think, you know, late in games, you want your best defensive team out there. But sadly, right now, Hanager, Kelnick, and probably Fraley is your best outfield. that could change with a healthy Kyle Lewis. That can change with an addition. It will change when Julio eventually comes up.

But based on where we're at right now, I would say the infield defense is probably second best behind Houston. I think Houston obviously really depends on if Correa comes back or not. I'm assuming he will. So it's probably right there. field defense, it's going to be one of the worst in baseball. And that's a pretty big problem when you consider that Robbie Ray is fly ball heavy and so is Logan Gilbert.

So, yeah, getting an addition, preferably in center field to push Kellnick to a corner would really make a huge difference to Seattle's outfield defense. So it's kind of tough to say where they rank overall. But the outfield defense definitely drags it down. Yeah. It's like you said, this topic is so subjective and there's just a lot of uncertainty right now with how the rest of the offseason is going to go. Like I look at the athletics in a more favorable light right now than I probably will by opening day. You know, with Olson and Chapman likely to be traded. You know, so there's there's things like that that have to be accounted for here when we're looking at this.

Right now as it stands though, I mean, you're looking at why. exactly why we continue to hammer home the need for an addition in the outfield or even two really you know why we've talked ad nauseum about kevin kuremeyer and saya suzuki and michael conforto and you know some of those guys more so for their bats and their gloves but even then even something like michael conforto is i mean to me and arguably an upgrade defensively over at least one of the guys that you have so yeah they're you just you need someone one that can at least give you average defense in the outfield, that's not too hard to find, quite frankly. No. But that's really what they need right now to kind of tie this all together, at least from a defensive perspective, you know, because obviously the importance is lengthening the lineup and doing what you can to generate more offense and generate more runs.

But like you said, Colby, with, you know, having guys like Robbie Ray and Logan Gilbert, you're going to have a lot of, you're going to have a lot of fly balls that's going to put a lot of pressure on your outfield defense and with the way that it's currently constructed, that's going to lead to some pretty substantial issues, I would think. So, you know, unless Mitch Hanager somehow taps into another gear, we just didn't see last year, which is not going to happen, they are going to be in a pretty rough spot. I'm a little bit more bullish on Jerich Kellnick's ability in center field than most. you know, I think he'll be better than we saw him last year,

but you can't ignore how bad last year was for him. So that and Jake Fraley shouldn't be starting for the Mariners, quite frankly, considering how poor he is at the plate. And he's also not a fantastic defender. I know he had a couple of highlight plays last year, but he's also a little bit of an adventure out there as well. You're just, you got to do something in the outfield. You can not go to opening day saying,

Yeah, we want to compete for a playoff spot more with this outfield right now. And that's what honestly drags down my ranking for them quite a bit. I think I wouldn't say that they're the worst, right? But again, this is also subjective. There's a lot of uncertainty here. I'd say they're probably third or maybe fourth, maybe second. I don't really know. Yeah.

At the end of the day, though, I don't think it really matters. right now because I think that they are going to add. Right. Even if you just, if you had one regular, you know, average defender, it makes your outfield defense so much better.

Particularly if that guy can play center field. We've heard some rumblings about Brian Reynolds, which we'll get to later in the show. Putting him in center field and allowing Kellynck to go to left, you're probably now at that point, your average, even with Hanigur kind of dragging you down in right field, and then eventually Julio's going to come up,

and he'll be at least average in right field. If Kyle Lewis is healthy enough to play center field, which you can't bank on, but hypothetically, if he was, and again, you move Kellnick to left, then, you know, Lewis is 50, 55 glove in center field. And Kellnick's going to be fine in a corner. I think he's probably at least a 50 in left or right field. But or you had Sayas Suzuki and he plays right and, you know, and Hanager DHS.

and you keep the other two spots the same even. That's still a major upgrade because you're taking your worst outfielder and you're putting them at DH. So, yeah, it's just an average glove, one average addition, one average glove addition to the outfield just makes the rest of it better, almost regardless of what position he plays. Ideally, center field, but yeah, if you can get Hanigur out of the outfield, you know, 60, 70, 80 times a year, your defense is going to be great.

greatly improved. And you still want to keep Hanigers bat in the lineup, so you're not benching him. But it's just, you know, hey, can you play 85 games in right field and DH, you know, 65 times? That would help your defense a lot. So which Mariners are going to lead the team in certain statistical categories? We're going to be answering that and more in just a moment. But real quick, once again, this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bet Online. Football might be over this season, but basketball is in full steam for both pro and college hoops.

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Thank you again for making us your first listen of the day, just like you do here every day. And just a reminder to check out Lockdown MLB Prospects. Host Lindsay Crosby is a prospect encyclopedia. And he's going deep on the MLB stars of tomorrow. It's free and available wherever you get podcasts just like us. So let's go on to my Twitter DMs where I got a message from a listener named Chris who wants us to go over some of the major statistical categories in baseball and discuss who on the Mariners is going to lead the team in those categories. So we're talking wins. We're talking saves.

We're talking ERA. We're talking RBI. We're talking average home runs, stolen bases, et cetera. So Colby, do you want to start offensively or with the pitching? where do you where do you want to begin with this surprise me all right so let's uh let's do home runs who do you think is going to hit the most dingers for the meritors in 2022 um adam fraser no uh god that would be bad uh oh my god yeah i'll still say i'll still say hanniger um okay i think it's probably much more likely to be uh

closer to 30 than it is 40, which I think last year you had 39. So I don't think you're going to see like the one big power bat. What I do think you might see is a few more guys get to 25 and it just kind of power barely evenly distributed throughout the lineup. But I'll still say Hanager. Trevor Story, no, probably Hanager, right? I think that's the guy that has the most upside for it.

Yeah. Dark Horse, though, if he's able to get it, you know, if he's able to stick at the major league level and get enough of bats, Jerry Kellnick. He had 14 in his limited action. So, yeah, maybe. All right. So batting average.

Who do you think it's going to hit for the most average? A couple good candidates for this one, actually. I'm going to say Frazier, but I also think that JP Crawford and Ty Prancer, certainly going to have something to say about that mainly france kind of bold prediction here but not really because i think you and i both think this is where he's eventually going to end up or at least close to that i think tie france is going to hit over 300 this year yep so yeah tie france is my pick there uh but adam fraser for sure i mean he's stuck around the 280 270 range for most of his

career so yeah um yeah it's a pretty good bet as well but if anyone's going to get over the 300 mark in my opinion, it's probably going to be Thai France unless they add someone. Right. I think I still think Frazier is probably a little more likely. But yeah, France is I think the clear number two. And I just have a feeling that JP is going to have

a year where like we look up in September and he's sitting 290 and we're like, wait what? And don't get me wrong. It's not going to be like 290 with like 20 home runs or anything like that. But it's just, you know, a few more hits here and there fall in and like he just slashes the ball around enough. You're like, holy cow,

J.P. Cross. offered as a shot to hit 300 this year, but I'm still going for sure. All right. So RBI, who's going to drive in the most runs for the Mariners? Probably Hanigar, right? Yeah, probably Hanigar. You have to see where the batting order looks like a majority of the time. But it's probably Hanigur or it'll be Story slash Bryant if they get one of those guys.

Yeah, Hanager is probably the safest bet. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go Hanager, France, close to. But I think it'll be Hanager because he can just do more damage in general. You know, in one fell swoop. So, yeah. All right. Stolen bases.

Oh, boy. Who's going to be the first one to get to 10? I'm actually going to go Julio Rodriguez for this one. That's good. Yeah. I'm going to go. I'm going to go Jared Kelnick. But like he's going to have 11, you know.

Is he going to steal like 11 but get caught like seven times? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I would pick Dylan Moore because he's the best base seller on the on the roster right now. But is he going to get enough attempts? Yeah, exactly. Is he even going to make the roster?

Like that's that's why I'd be. That's one of the nice things about Trevor. story, by the way, is he is a very good base dealer. That's true. Yeah, if they do add Trevor's story, then that's probably my pick. Yeah, he's probably the right answer. Yeah. All right. So switching over to pitching now, who is going to lead the Mariners and wins? That was Chris Flex in last year. You think anyone's going to get over 10, first of all?

Yes. Okay. I'm going to go Marco. Ooh, not Robbie Ray. Not the shiny new toy. no Marco you know he's he's gonna go you know he's gonna throw a lot of innings you know I think last year was more of an outlier for him than then people are assuming also it's possible 2020 was probably an outlier too I think 2019 marco is about what you're going to get and I that's a guy who you know could like win like

15 16 games somewhat surprisingly yeah um Marco's a good pick flexen's kind of a sneaky dark horse we were asked about um you know double digit game winners a few weeks ago and yeah flexen i i feel is is kind of a dark horse here logan gilbert also kind of a dark horse here um i'll just uh i'll go with the shiny new toy though like i said robbie ray and heck you know if they had sunny gray who knows maybe there maybe that's the answer but that that's that one's really hard to

to nail down because it really you know winds are so volatile that it's just it could be anyone it really could be any of them so saves another stat that is all over the place and really could be anyone especially in this bullpen because there isn't really a clear

you know ninth inning guy yeah so Who do you think is going to get the most save opportunities and the most saves at the end of the day? I'm still going to go Giles, but I think it'll be something like Giles has like 19 and CWald has like 14 and something like that. I don't think you're going to, I don't think you're going to have one closer where, you know, like Edwin Diaz has 58 saves. Yeah. I think you're going to have a bunch of guys with, you know, four, five, six, and then probably two or three guys with over 10. I think that's how they're going to manage it.

Yeah, I'll I'll go Diego Castillo Actually Yeah, I think You know, with his shoulder thing that he had last year A lot of people are kind of overlooking Diego Diego coming into this year

But I mean, when he's healthy, he's one of the best religious baseball Some of the nastiest innings last year Yeah And so I could see him being used A lot of high leverage situations Or just, you know, putting him in to just close the door You know, they got a three run lead or whatever

I think we'll see a lot of you, Castillo, Laden Liden games this year. All right, so ERA, who's going to, and we got to pick one starter and one reliever. Okay. Starter, I'm going to go with Logan Gilbert. Ooh.

And then reliever, I'm going to go with Johann Ramirez. Wow. Yeah. Okay. all right i see you i see you i am gonna go hmm this is tough i actually kind of like the yon pick um that's what's up i again i kind of want to go with the shiny new toy because i'm so excited about them you know i'm gonna go robbie ray um and then i'm gonna go for the relievers you know, Casey Sadler

had a very great ERA last year. Very nice. Some would even say nice ERA last year. I'm going to go with him to repeat. Casey Sadler. Yeah. All right. So let's see here.

We got, oh, we actually didn't do one offensive category. Hits. Who do you think is going to lead the team in hits? Frazier. maybe tie France because Fraser might you know not play every single day you know they also might get fewer opportunities if he's at the bottom of the lineup so yeah

I'm going to go France but Frazier's probably number two I'm going to go Frasier because he should be at the top of the lineup and I'm going to pound that table until it happens but yes you'll never get that to happen. Yeah. All right.

And then Chris also wanted us to debate who's going to be the top war getter on the Mariners. Any ideas? Any feelings? It kind of comes down to like, I guess we'll do one hitter, one pitcher, right? So hitter-wise, it kind of comes down to, what, three guys? I mean, based on who's on the current roster. Yeah. My answer would probably be somebody not on the roster.

But based on who's on the roster right now, it's probably, see, it's tough because France is probably your best player, but he plays first base in the war formula. Takes into account defensive metrics, and defensive metrics aren't kind of first baseman ever. But France was still almost at four,

I think, last year. I'll go, yeah, I'll go type France. I think Canterger's defense is going to drag down his war too much for him to take that category. Yeah, I'm going to go tie France as well. I think big things are coming for him. And yeah, his value is going to be a little skewed because Fangraphs, baseball reference doesn't matter the case.

They're always going to limit the value of first baseman unless they just absolutely explode offensively. but still I think he's going to be able to do enough offensively going in line with my prediction of him hitting 300 or more yeah I think he's going to have a monster year so Ty France is my pick here all right so we got questions about Evan White we got questions about Brian Reynolds which you alluded to earlier we're going to answer all of those and a little bit of a lightning round

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then this year. He had the Tommy John surgery in late March. So it was probably, at best, he was probably be ready by July. So he has not signed with anybody, as of my knowledge. So he's still out there. Again, the issue is going to be that he's not going to be available until July. And then, you know, is Elias definitely going to help you in 2022? No.

But yeah, no, when he's when he's healthy, he's a very nice kind of versatile reliever. And you can use him in a bunch of different spots. So yeah, they want to sign him to a minor league deal. Then he's a fit. But they shouldn't count on him for anything in 2022. So as far as I know, he's not signed with anybody yet. And he is still working his way through Tommy John recovery. But yeah, he's been very quiet.

No, no videos, nothing like that. that. So I would assume he's quite a waste away still. Yeah. So looking into it real quick, he, there were reports that that you talked about here that he, that the team reached out about about a two-year minor league contract. They did sign him after his injury after he was released. He was released in March. And then they signed him again about five or six days later. So I'm not sure if that was the two-year deal or not. I can't seem to find any clarity on that. but I would say safe bet is that he's is to assume that he's not in the organization right now. He might still be.

I just, I'm not too sure. And it doesn't seem like there's a clear answer anywhere there. All right. So let's move on to Ammon, who hopefully I'm pronouncing that right. A-M-M-O-N. What should the Mariners do with Evan White, with Thai France seemingly, the starting first basement for the foreseeable future, should Evan White be his backup or should they try to trade him?

Well, really what Evan White needs right now is time in AAA. Unfortunately, he's not going to be able to get it at the start of the season, it seems, with the lockout going on because he's a member of the MLBPA. So he's not going to be able to join the team right away. But yeah, he needs to work on his offensive game.

That's really the most important thing. And then at that point, he is able to figure some things out and kind of forces the Mariners' hand where they need to call them up, or they need to give them the opportunity at the major league level again. You know, first base isn't going to be a given to him, I don't think.

He's got the athleticism to make it work in the outfield, I believe. So that's always an option. But right now, the focus for him, it shouldn't be defensively. Right. Right now, what you do with Evan White does not matter. He's a non-factor until he is. So worry about that when,

And, you know, he's hitting 280 at AAA and he's striking out 22% of the time instead of 33% of the time. At that point, we'll have a long conversation. But, yeah, ultimately, there's no point in trading him. And you don't have backup first baseman. So you figure out what to do with him once he hits. But until he hits, it's not an issue at all. All right. John wants to know if or who are some of the guys who will start the,

year in Everett and who has a chance to get there by the end of the season. John is a Aqua Sox season ticket holder. So that's why he's very interested in the subject. No, me Marte. I'm going to guess you're going to see Jonathan Klosset at some point. So that'll be a lot of fun. I also think you're probably, you're probably not going to get any of the big pitchers, unfortunately. I think they're all going to start at double A or AAA.

But yeah, there's going to be quite a few guys. I think Alberto Rodriguez you're going to see quite a bit of. He's technically a part of the PA right now, though. Oh, that's true. That's true. That is a good point, yes. Yeah, he won't be able to make it until the CBA is agreed upon. Right, right, right.

Adam Macco, you're probably going to see. Milcar Perez, you're probably going to see. probably going to see Isaiah Campbell and Bryce Miller assuming Campbell's healthy of course I think you're probably going to see Sam Carlson I would guess Taylor Dallard and you know maybe a guy

maybe you see Juan Pinto but probably not outside outside shot you see somebody like Michael Morales but probably not I think he probably tops out at Modesto though. There's going to be quite a quite a bit of young talent.

Connor Phillips might start the year at, at high A. So that's definitely, you know, if you're looking for a pitcher who might be there. At the beginning of the year, it's probably Phillips,

although he's got a shot to start at double A. So actually pretty, pretty good amount of talent. Again, outside shots, guys like Edwin Arroyo, you know, Michael Morales, Starlin Aguilar,

Gabriel Gonzalez. But the guys who are more than likely going to be there, like we already talked about, Miller, Harry Ford, probably later in the year. Yeah. No LV, probably to start the year. Yeah, there's not going to be a shortage town.

The Aqua Sox are going to be a lot of fun. All right. So Sean says, Hey, dudes, who would you label in this organization as untouchable? Obviously, you guys have talked about Julio Kirby, Kellnick, etc. And are there any others you can think of? And to counter that question, who do you think are the most likely to be traded? Not nobody.

No one's really untouchable, especially outside of the three that you mentioned. If you're just talking about prospects, right, or guys that are close, you know, just young assets in general. Yeah, we could even throw, you know, Thai France into that. You could throw Logan Gilbert into that. You know, I think Gilbert's probably the closest to untouchable, you know, the closest. to that Julio Curvy Kelnick group. Yeah.

But at the end of the day, I mean, like, you know, if the angels come up to you and say, hey, we'll give you Shohei Otani for Logan Gilbert, which would never happen. But if they say that,

yeah, of course. If the nationals are going to give you Juan Soto, but they want Logan Gilbert in the deal. Okay. Like, yeah, we're talking.

Yeah. So yeah. Nobody is. As for prospects, most likely to get traded. I mean, those will be the lower guys. but I'm assuming you're looking for like names like you know guys who are big in prospect circles

probably Emerson Hancock, Zach Deloche. Levi Stout. Levi Stout. Yeah, I don't think no Elvis is going to get traded, but he's far from untouchable. But yeah, for me like Hancock Deloche, Williamson Stout, I think those are like if you're looking for like big names in the Mariners system, I think those are probably the four that are most likely to go get traded. Obviously guys like Milcar Perez and Maco

and Juan Taine and Gabby Gonzalez and Caden Polkovich and Bryce, like those guys are much more likely to get traded. But if you're just in terms of big names, it's probably those four. All right. So, we got a question from Hayden about

Brian Reynolds. There have been rumors that the pirates are willing to trade Brian Reynolds for Emerson Hancock. This was reported on Mad Dog Radio on Friday. or sometime over the weekend. And Hayden goes on to say, I believe that other players would be involved.

So what would you guys offer to get this deal done if you believe in Reynolds? Thanks for the show. So first of all, I just want to say if it's actually possible for the Mariners to get Emerson Hancock for Brian and Reynolds, or sorry, if they can get Brian Reynolds for Emerson Hancock, rather.

They should do that deal on a heartbeat. Now, obviously, that's dependent on what else has to be included. But where would you go from there? if Hancock is indeed the headliner in this deal. And I mean, by all accounts from that report seems to be the case. I believe the quote was that the pirates view Hancock as a legitimate ace in the future. So what do you, how would you build that package around Hancock? Yeah, I mean, they're competing against the Marley.

Let's assume that the report is legitimate, which I have doubts about. but let's just say it is. The Marlins are apparently offering Max Meyer. So, yeah, Meyer is better than Hancock. So you're going to have to come with it for the second part of that deal. I think you're probably looking at something like Emerson, Hancock, Zach Deloach, maybe somebody like Levi Stout and Edwin Arroyo. I mean, honestly, that seems light to me, but accepting any package that's centered

around Hancock as the number one piece for Brian Reynolds seems light to me. But that would be my guess. Hancock, Deloge, a couple of guys who could help them this year, more than likely next year. And then Stout and Arroyo or Maco in Arroyo, maybe a couple of guys who are at least a full year away, but carry some serious upside. And obviously Arroyo is four or five years away. But something like that, I guess would be my guess.

If Hancock is the best piece they're giving up, I just it's total speculation though obviously what about you yeah I I feel like if it's Hancock as a headliner and look the pirates are stupid right they've done some really stupid things if they trade Brian Reynolds for a package headline by Emerson Hancock that's another stupid thing they've done yeah um I feel though like if you're going to have a package that is headlined by Hancock he's got to be accompanied by Brandon Williamson like yeah that's what should happen yeah like that's what it should be now if I'm Jerry depoto and the pirates are saying yeah we're cool with Hancock as the headliner then I'm probably following that up by offering

Hancock stout and Bryce Miller or Zach the loach or something like that you know and working my way up from there. Because yeah, I just, I mean, if I can get him for that, then great. And that's a solid package. Just don't get me wrong. But I mean, Brian Reynolds is a guy that put up five and a half F or his past season. So, you know, it's a really good player. So, yeah.

Control left. Yeah. I mean, just the, this report, like, this is why I have a hard time buying into it, just like you. It's just, it's, it would be so friendly. to the Mariners. It seems too good to be true. Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of struggle with like how would I build a package there because I just I don't I very much base my approach to these things with a sense of reality. You know and that just like being able to get Reynolds for a Hancock headline deal is

just not all that realistic in my mind. But hey, like I said, and look, this has been a evidence by the by the pirates in the past what they've done in the past they do some stupid stuff they do some really suss stuff with it with their trades so who knows um but yeah that i mean any deal that is centered on hancock for for for brian reynolds i really like emerson hancock i think he has a great future ahead of them i think a lot of prospect folks are are prematurely devaluing him but that's an absolute steal for the mirrors if they're able to to land that deal all right so last question of the day comes from jquah says hi guys of the free agent pitchers to the mariner's go after a lefty or a righty and who do you think would be a good fit uh first of all doesn't really matter if it's a

lefty or writer righty quite frankly second of all at the end of the day i don't think they're going to go after a free agent pitcher um the the market is just really thin at this point there's obviously guys like clayton kershaw and carlos redon etc i just i don't foresee the mariners being involved in any of their markets. So yeah, I believe if the Mariners are adding the second pitcher, it's probably going to be via trade. But if they do have to go to the free agent market, I would look at guys like Michael Paneda and maybe even a reunion with USA Kakuchi. Who knows? Yeah, it's pre-agent strictly. It's going to be somebody like Paneda. I guess outside shot or kind of the home run attempt would be Rodon, but I just, I don't.

see Seattle getting involved there. So yeah, it's going to be somebody like Panetta, maybe somebody like Drew Smiley. Honestly, if we're talking about free agency, the most likely guy to sign as a free agent is Tyler Anderson, which, yeah. All right, that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners.

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