Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - How Much Will It Cost the Mariners to Land Bo Bichette?

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

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It's the return of fan fiction Friday. We're going to react to some of your Mariners mock trades coming up here on the Lockdown Marers podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors.

It is Friday, May 31st, 2024. This is Tudan Gazzalus and Colby Pat note for the Lockdowne Marries podcast. Part of the Lockdown podcast network, your team every day. On today's show, we're bringing back fan. Fiction Friday. It's the show where you submit your Mariners trade ideas and we give you our thoughts on them and grade them on the 2080 scale. 20 being the worst, 80 being the best, of course. This is going to be our show pretty much every Friday from now until the trade deadline. So a lot of you will have the opportunity to have your trade idea heard.

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The link is in the description and you can sign up for a free seven-day trial. So we're going to kick off Fan Fiction Friday here with Garrett, who has a deal with the Blue Jays. Bo Bichette and Jimmy Garcia for Jorge Polanco, Cole Young, and Logan Evans. And Garrett adds, Jays get their shortstop of the future who is likely ready at some point next season

and a pitching prospect. Marrars get middle of the order bat and bullpen help Polanco offsets some of the money. I think you're one piece off here from the Marrars. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. One thing we have to factor in Bichette's hitting right now,

so the idea that you're going to buy low on him is out the window. Not that that ever really exists. You don't really ever buy low on a player. But, yeah, so young is a good start. I think Logan Evans is certainly an interesting piece that, you know, a team like the Blue Jays who have some older, you know, starting pitching might be looking at is like, hey, that's a guy that we can put into our rotation as soon as next year. So I do think that the inclusion of a couple of pieces who should be able to play for them next year at some point is going to be. appealing to the Blue Jays, but I think you're, I think you're one more pretty decent piece off

for this, particularly if you're getting Garcia as well. So, um, it's not terrible, you know, and Polanco offsetting some of the money is, is fine. Uh, I wonder if maybe this is a situation where Ty Locklear makes some sense because of they're going to trade Bichette. They might also trade Vlad and yeah, Lockler's a guy who in theory could help them this year, at least you can get them a cup a coffee this year and you know decide what you want to do at first base after that so right uh it's pretty good uh i think it's a good start it only gets all the way there so uh i'm going to go like 40 45 somewhere in that range we've talked about this on the show uh as recent as a couple weeks ago with this blue jays regime you might have to to force their hand here they might just be

willing to go down with the ship and you know go into bow and vlad's last year of their next year and just try to make it work before they hit free agency. So you got to force their hand. This is a good start. I just don't think it's all the way there to doing that. So I'll go 45 to a 50 on this. Brett has a deal with the Arizona Diamondbacks, and this is going to be a fan favorite because it not just brings in Christian Walker,

but also, of course, Paul Seawald. He has the Mariners sending the Diamondbacks Tyler Locklear, Michael Morales, and Taylor Dollar. and ads might be an overpay for two rentals, but you fill a couple needs, and Arizona gets guys that should be MLB ready in the next year for them. Colby, your thoughts?

I think trading Locklear for a rental is in general a bad idea. Now, you're getting two here, and they both would fill a pretty good-sized role, but, you know, I don't, I think this is probably a little bit of an overpay. By the way, Morales is doing some nice things down in the miners.

it does look like he's finally taking that next step. And then Dollared, does he have any value? Like, we don't know. We haven't seen the guy pitching a year and a half. So it's a little tough to assign any value to him. So I think, you know, as much as I love Paul, as much as I really like Christian Walker, I think Locklear is a bit too much. Like if they want to talk like Tai Pete or they want to talk about Aiden Smith, somebody who's a few years away,

then I think that makes more sense. as a headliner, but, you know, it's, if I saw this trade come down, I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't love it. I don't think it's that far off, though, from what the Diamondbacks would want if they were going to give up both of those guys in one trade instead of trading them separately. And of course, we're assuming, as we are with all these trades, that the teams that they're with, they're willing sellers, right? Like, they're going to be open to selling.

So, you know, if you're out there like, oh, the Diamondbacks aren't going to be sellers, well, A, they might be. But B, we're going to assume they are for all of these trades. So I don't know, 45, maybe 40. Like, it just feels a little bit too much, but, you know, it's, you're getting two really good pieces that definitely help your, your ball club this year. I would do this. I would do this. I have no issue trading Tyler Locklear in this deal. I really don't.

one, I'm just not that high on Tyler Locklear as maybe I guess you are. And two, I don't really care how close Locklear is. That doesn't factor into this at all for me. Christian Walker helps me now. Christian Walker might help me make a deep run in the postseason. I wonder if you could actually like put Thai France in this deal instead of like Michael Morales. And if that might actually carry a little bit of, you know, more weight than Morales because France is, you know, just immediately replaces Walker. And then the diamondbacks get him. for another year if they want him. So I wonder this is like a way to get Thai france in there. And also you do have to think about some of the salary stuff with these two guys who are both making, you know, our six or R3 numbers. So I think, you know, if you throw France in there too, then that probably makes the the money like tenable, which you guys don't have to worry about the whole like money part of things.

But it is something that we're going to think about because unfortunately we probably have to. so yeah I think I would be upset it just feels like a slight overpay to me but I'm much higher on this deal than you are I'm going 60 on this okay

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We got a trade from Alex. It's one with the Tigers, Carrie Carpenter, who we know is someone the Mariners have liked in the past. For Tai Pete, Michael O'Royo, Aidan Smith, and Michael Morales. FD. Package. What do you think about the steel, Colby? first of all kudos to you for getting your glen close on if you understand that reference put it in the comments uh second uh yeah i think this deal lacks the headliner and because carpenter has i think four and a half years of club control left it's going to cost one of your top you know two or three it probably costs colt emerson to get the conversation started uh so i like carrie carpenter a lot i think he's a good fit for the ballpark um you know he's a pretty good athlete uh but i think when you're looking at this you got to replace a royal with young or emerson or ford would be my guess uh and i'm not saying that the mariners wouldn't do that but this is you know you're giving them a bulk deal the problem

with the bulk is that it's all you know years away from the big leagues so for a team like the tigers who are kind of fringe contenders right now in the al central they're probably going to be wanting immediate impact like right now uh or guys who can help us next year and just these guys have basically no shot of doing that. So they're good prospects, bundling them up instead of, you know, giving away like a top five guy. I know that's something that a lot of Mariner fans would like to do,

just because they're further away. But you have to think about the other team, too. They are not going to be as interested in these guys as they are on Cole, Cole, Carl Young, Gary Ford, and Tie Locker. They're just not because those guys are likely to make their debuts at some point next year. And heck, maybe even at some point this year. So, you know, I don't think the tigers are in a position where they're going to value guys with maybe a little bit higher upside, but they're four or five years away. I think a team like Oakland might value that, that type of bulk for maybe one of theirs guys.

But I don't think Detroit's going to do that. I don't think they'll do it for Carpenter. I have a hard time imagining you get Carpenter without Emerson and probably, you know, like Las maybe even like it's going to be very expensive to get Carrey Carpenter. I like the outside the box thinking. Yeah, no, I like the idea. And I like that you're trying to circumvent and giving up client. I appreciate the effort here.

But yeah, I think they're going to want Emerson. They're going to want Young. They're going to want Ford. They're going to want one of those guys, at least, for Carpenter. And also at that point, you can probably also get like Will Vest in the deal, or Andrew Chafin, someone like that in the deal to help out your bullpen a little bit. I mean, the Tigers have pitching, but they very well might just go, oh, Carrie Carpenter. If you're not starting your conversation with Bryce Miller or Brian Wu, we're not listening to this conversation.

It's possible. So, yeah, like I know the Tigers have pretty good pitching, but you can never have enough. And, oh, no, we have five, like, really good starters now. I guess we can't trade one, even though we have more coming in the system. So, yeah, I have a hard time imagining you're getting Carpenter without giving up Miller, Wu or Emerson. It would be my guess, Colt Emerson. I think one of those three would have to be in a deal to get Carrie Carpenter. but I would love to be wrong.

Yeah, I'll go 40 on this. Yeah, yeah. I like the process. I just, I think when you look at it from the tiger side of things, it falls apart really quickly. Andy has a deal here with the Tigers as well. It's a simple one for one. Mark Kana for Ben Williamson.

I don't think it would even cost this much, but I think it's fine. Yeah. If they traded Ben Williamson for Markana tomorrow, okay. Sure. I'm not sure. what cana's doing this year. I assume he's just been kind of his he's been more than average self like 110 WRC plus like 100

to 110 somewhere in that range I'll give you his numbers here in a second yeah actually he's having an even better year than that 247 358 41 120 WRC plus yeah so not a ton of power but you know it's for a decent average draws walks can play you know he's Markana spots yeah I mean we know who Markana is at this point a little bit a pop not a ton weird dude but you only need them for a couple months so doesn't matter uh i think tie and i have been pounding the table for mark canna for like three years now he's such a he's such a jerry player he's such a jerry and jason player like i'm so surprised that he hasn't been a mariner yet yeah um so i don't think it would actually take williamson i remember what he went for last year

it was like the equivalent of like axel sanchise so uh yeah uh yeah i don't think it would take Williamson but I like the cana idea I think he he you know is bad who fits he can play three outfield spots he can play some first base he can DH you know he's more of like a number six hitter which is fine you need you need that so if it was Williamson then fine I mean to me that'd be a little bit like a hunt for balman just in the sense that you're like whoa that's that seems like a lot for that guy but the end of the day it's you know a minor leaguer for somebody who could help you in the major league level and cana certainly is more likely to help you than balman so uh yeah i i think williamson's a bit much but it's not like egregious like

could could could i get him for well i mean i don't see this is the thing this is where you know beauty's in the eye of the behold or whatnot like i would say oh i i'll give you jonathan clausay and other people would be like what you'd rather trade clausay than ben williamson yes so uh other people would disagree agree with that. But yeah, I think you're in the right range roughly. Particularly if you want to get them right now, like if you don't want to wait until July, then yeah, Williamson is kind of the type of guy that might be good enough to kind of force the tiger's hands, but they're still kind of in it right now. So they're unlikely to trade anybody until July anyways.

But yeah, this is this trade came across the ticker. I'd be like, okay, yeah, solid. So I'll give it a 50. I think it's a slight overpay, but it's solid. 55. Okay. Next trade here from Mandar. Mariners receive Connor Joe and Brian Reynolds from the Pirates for Harry Ford and Emerson Hancock. So Connor Joe is a favorite of tie. He also was like off to an insane start. Last I saw he had like a 170 WRC plus or one fifth. Something insane, right? I don't know if he's kept that up or not. The dude's 32. And so I'm not willing to pretend that he's all of a sudden one of the best hitters in baseball. Like I think we can clearly say, that's a hot streak and he's going to come back down to earth pretty quick. He's been a very streaky hitter in general in his career. Right. Right.

I don't think he's like your ideal everyday type of bat either. So I think he's more of kind of a platoon, not a strict platoon, but mostly one of facing lefties, which could work, but you know, you have Hanigur and unfortunately they're going to roll with Hanuker for a while. Reynolds is obviously A guy that we've spent a lot of time talking about He's not that guy He's still a good player

But he's just he's not that guy He is truly weird is they moved him from center field To the corner and his defense immediately went Off a cliff Like he's a bad defender now in the outfield But he's a switch hitter He still hits for some power And so draw walks, you know

Makes enough contact He's still a good player I don't want to sit here in particular like he's not a good player. But he's not the guy that you thought he was two years ago. Like he's never going to be a six-win player again. He's just a three-win player. He's a pretty reasonable contract, but he is making some money now.

And I think he's got seven years left. So you'd be paying him until age 35, 36. That is going to factor into things here. So it's an interesting deal. Harry Ford for Brian Reynolds. Like it's the crux of the deal. that might be enough based on where Reynolds is right now

in his career. So I don't know, it's interesting, I can kind of go either way on this one. I just, I don't want to get stuck pain for 2020, what, 2021 was it?

Brian Reynolds, where he was a 6-1 player. Don't really want to get stuck pain for that guy when right now he's really closer to just like Alex Radugo. Part of me feels like this won't be enough for the pirates. Yeah, possible.

but I also I don't really want to hitch my wagon to all those years for for Reynolds because it's he's like a solid player like you said but I can see the decline coming and I could see that getting really ugly only a couple of years into the contract yeah and the pirates aren't a team that's going to eat money right like they're not going to that just seems

that Brian Reynolds seems like a landmine So I think I'm out on Brian Reynolds. It's a landmine like somewhere down the road, but you know you're going to step on it eventually. It's just a matter of how many good years do you get out of him before, you know, he goes off. And the problem is right now is that, you know, his power this year has gone way down. Like he went from 572 to 461 to 460 and this year he's at 411. Yeah. So, you know, again, still a pretty solid player.

He's only 29, but you were paying him until he's 35 years old. And I think there's a good chance the last three years of that deal are going to be not debilitating. Again, he's not making $20 million a year even. But for the Mariners. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. I'm fine. I'm fine.

They pay this, but I don't want to pay much more than this. And even this deal by itself, I'm like, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm not. beggars can't be choosers, but it's like, okay, what's Randy and Rosa Raina? It's going to cost me then. You know what I mean? So. Yeah. And Randy is not even having that good of ear, but I'd still rather have him.

And I think actually, Randy's younger or Randy's older than Brian Reynolds, but I'd still rather have Randy than Reynolds. But, you know, if this is the deal they decide to make, I'm not upset about it. It's just like, this is probably the max like I'm willing to pay. Like, to me, I would like the pirates to take that deal that we talked about for Carrie Carbiter where it's like, hey, you want Typeet, you want Michael O'Royo, you want these guys who are three years away, that's the type of guy I would target with the, with kind of a bulk, you know, still upside package, but mostly bulk package.

Instead of going like one big headliner for Reynolds. Putting the trade in a vacuum, I'd say 45, maybe a 50, but my personal feelings, like, I'm just out. No number. just I'm out on Brian Reynolds I think interesting yeah did you give it a great can't remember it's like a 45 50 like it's it's fine it's not that I'd be like jacked for but you know I don't care about Hancock either as you guys all know by now so uh yeah like if they made that deal wouldn't be super upset uh wouldn't immediately

just like, oh, that's a great deal, blah, blah, blah. So it's a 50. Like, it's fine. It's totally fine. But for me, it's a tad bit of an overpay. But sometimes you have to overpay to get the guy that you want. And we know Jerry circles back. So.

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on Friday. Eudanus Haslam has a deal with the Giants. Ryan Walker, favorite of Colbies and Lamont Wade Jr., favorite of both of ours for Michael Arroyo, Emerson Hancock, and Cade Marlowe. Yeah, I don't think this is enough. Like, it only gets really close either. Ryan Walker is really good. He's having another really good season. In Lamont Wade, you know, he's a, he's a good player, certainly. So you get him for a year in a couple months, like he's a good, solid player. I think you're going to have to,

I don't think for those two guys, you'll have to give up Ford, Young, Emerson, Bellman, maybe Las but I feel like this is a guy who since you're not going to have these two guys together you're not going to give up one of those guys you kind of have to give up two of the next group so I think it's Arroyo then I think it's somebody who's close so that would be probably Locklear so I think if you go like Arroyo locklear and then maybe somebody like

Dominic Canzone would probably be of interest yeah I was gonna I was gonna say doesn't this feel like a good spot for Canzone because the Jax are so weird and they just like they refuse to rebuild. Yeah. So a player who's already got major league seasoning has had some level of success in the big leagues.

People should watch for Canzone and Luke Rayleigh. Both of those guys have, you know, well, Rayleigh's got four years. Canzone has six. So like they have plenty of club control. Canzone in particular is younger. Rayleigh has more of a track record, but they're both lefties. They're, you know, both playable. They're not DH-only types.

And so both of those guys are going to carry some weight in trade to discussions. The Mariners obviously have to be careful because if you trade one of your better bats to get a bat, you're still a bat short. Right. So, and obviously, Canzone has to hit with a little more consistency than he has so far. And so does really for them to really be super valuable in the trade. But I feel like the Giants are one of those teams that probably would value a Canzone in this deal. And maybe if you include Canzone, instead of it being, you know, Locklear and like Arroyo or. Maybe it's, maybe instead it's, we'll give you Canzone and, you know, Tai Pete and Carlos Vargas.

Like, and maybe that carries the day. So, like, I would trade Canzone for a year and a year and two months of Lamont Wade right now. I think Ryan Walker's the secret expensive player here. And I think his inclusion is what's going to make you have to give up one of those top 100-ish talented guys that you have in your system. My baseball America says you have seven or eight. I don't know if you have that many, but also I don't really care. Like it's going to be like a lock layer or it's going to be a. I hope the rest of the league feels that way.

Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be absolutely great. But this also could be one of those cases. I feel like the Giants are going to want somebody that they could like wave in front of their fan base and be like, look, look, this guy, he's got upside. He's going to help us for the next few years. And that's why I feel like Canzone could actually be a really good. you know, trade chip, particularly with a team like San Francisco, because they're weird and they refuse to do the logical thing pretty much always. So, yeah, I think Canzone probably in this deal really pushes it over the top.

So, you know, pretty creative idea. A couple, well, one new name and then, you know, a name that I'm pretty sure we'll get quite a few Lamont Way trades over the next six weeks or so. So I don't know I'd say 40 I don't think you're there yet But I like the idea in general 40 Seattle sports fan

This is our last trade of the day Mariners get Esoc Paredes And Jason Adam And the rays get Cole Young Louis Sweespell Tyler Guff Michael Arroyo

And Brody Hopkins It's a lot of bulk And like there is a top prospect In here in Young And obviously Arroyo is as well regarded it as well, but I think it's missing some high-end talent here for Paratus, who still has multiple years of club control. He's having an insane year right now at the plate. I just, I don't think it's enough for the race. No, I think to get this package, you're giving up two of your top three

prospects. And, you know, do you want to give up Emerson, Ford, and Young, two of those guys? Maybe. I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world. Paratus has got plenty of club control left. But are the Mariners going to want to do that? I don't know. And honestly, if I'm the raise, like I'm not trading Paredes without Wu or Miller because I really need starting pitching.

And at that point, are the Mariners in? Well, if they can go get a veteran starting pitcher from someone else, sure. But it doesn't feel like that's something they're going to want to do. So Paredes is just a really tough ask. I really like the idea.

And if I can get them for just, prospects. I'm in on pretty much anything close to reasonable. Like it like would I trade Ford and young for Paredes? Yeah, probably. It would hurt. But yeah, I'd probably do that. So I just another team that makes some sense for Canzone by the way. Right. And Luke Rayleigh now. Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe maybe yeah. Could make sense for Canzone. This could be a Emerson Hancock like hey, we think we can tweak this here and we can get a number four starter out of them. So I do like the Hopkins, like I do like the bulk

part of this, but you're missing at least a co-headliner in this deal, at least one. And then probably one like now, probably not like Thai France. Yeah. If they probably can't zone. If they included Savali

or Letell, little, whatever it is. Yeah. Would you include Wu or Miller? I mean, it depends on what the rest of the packages. Like if they're adding Savali, am I adding Wu or Miller to like Ford and Young? No. No. I don't know. Essentially one of those one of those guys replaces the one of the big three. I'd be more on board with it. Uh, it just at that point, Savali's making a little bit of money and

obviously, you know, that that becomes a factor. He's also not having a good year right now. Yeah. So I'd be a little bit more on board with it. But, no, I think, I think if I'm, including one of my five starters in a trade this summer, I'm not giving up a top prospect to go with him. I just don't see a guy out there who's worth it. And Paredes does have some of his own flaws, some of his own flaws that you've got to try and work around. So I think, you know, Tampa will,

I think for specifically Paredes, Tampa is going to say, give me Miller a Wu. And when the Mariners say, no, I think that's the end of the conversation. Because they don't need to trade parade. This isn't one of those cases where Paredes is getting expensive and we should trade them now. No, they trade parades.

It's going to be because they got exactly what they wanted for them. This is why I keep talking about guys like a Rosarena and even like Yandy Diaz as guys who are more likely to be traded because they are making a bit of money and they're making going to make even more money next year. And, you know, the raise, they rarely pay guys into their final year of arbitration or the final year of their contract. So that's why, you know, Paredes is just a little bit more difficult to grade. but yeah i think you're at least a co-headliner short here uh and then even after you add a co-headliner i think you might be somebody like a dom can zone uh short of pushing the steel across the finish line so i think it's i think you got more uh i think you got a bigger gap to cover than you're going to be comfortable covering if that makes sense so yeah i'd say 35 40 yeah i was

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