Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - How the Looming Lockout Could Impact Logan Gilbert's FUTURE With the Seattle Mariners

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

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Joe Doyle had a lot of interesting info and insight for us on yesterday's show. Here's what stood out to us the most. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, it is Thursday, July 2nd, 2026. My name is Tading Gazzalus, and I'm joined as always by my host, Colby Patnode.

And this episode is brought to you by Kalshi. For a limited time, download the Kalshi app and use the promo code lock. on that's LOC, KED-O-N to get $10 when you trade 10. Cal She, trade on anything. On today's show, we got a lot of really interesting nuggets from Joe Doyle yesterday. So we're going to go over a few of the things he said that really stood out to us. We'll also talk some Brian Wu, why things are going so well for him at home, but so poorly on the road. But we start with the Mariners win back on Tuesday, 8 to 3, the final score, despite the first run of that game, not crossing home plate until the bottom of the sixth inning.

11 combined runs between these two clubs from that point forward. And it was from that point forward as well that this became a singles parade for the Mariners. 12 of their 13 hits were singles. What? That is not something we typically see from this club, especially when they're scoring at this kind of capacity. And Colby, you were there for it. That was the weirdest win the Marins have had all season long,

just because of how out of character it was. for them and just how unsustainable it was because, I mean, they had a 650 batting average on balls put in play during that game. Yeah. They should just do that every time. They rely too much on the home run ball tie. Like they should stop hitting home runs and hit singles instead. Right. Which is not too far off from the real sentiment I heard both at the ballpark.

and we're running around, listen to some shows yesterday during the off day, is that the Mariners should get away from trying to hit so many home runs and they should focus on hitting singles and going back up the middle in the opposite way because if there's one thing we know, it's that when you put the ball in play, it's going to be a hit 65% of the time.

That's a totally normal number. Yeah, I mean, like what I like for this offense to be able to find different ways to win more often than they do right now. Yeah, absolutely. Tuesday is by far an outlier game though and it would be for anyone at any stadium. A 650 babup is insane. Monday is the blueprint.

You hit home runs, you draw walks, you pitch, and then you get that big hit still, you know, it doesn't have to be home run, but like once in a while, you get that runner on second and third and two outs.

You get that big hit. And it could be a single in that scenario. You get those couple of extra runs. Not every run has to score on the home run ball, but particularly at Team Mobile Park, you have to hit home runs to score runs consistently. You're not going to hit a lot of doubles. Hello, the Mariners had 13 hits.

12 of them were singles. And the one that was a double easily could have been an error. It hit the left field or square in the glove. So it's one of those things where it's like, you have to hit home runs team world park because you're just not going to get a lot of extra base hits. There's no, there's no foul territory down the lines.

Yeah. Right. The outfield's not massive like it is in Colorado or anything like that. you're just not going to get the ball to roll to the wall and get doubles and triples consistently. You have to put the ball over the fence. Anything you hit in the gaps is going to hang up for a while, too, because of the Marine layer. So there's just not a lot of opportunities. So unless you're planning on getting 12 hits, 12 singles, every single night on just seven hard hit balls and have 65% of the balls that you make contact with land for hits, this is just not a sustainable thing.

Like you said, it's great that they found a way to win a game without eating a home run. Great. They should do that more often. They have to be able to win games. they don't hit home runs. That doesn't mean they completely turn over the formula and be like, oh, we're just going to hit singles now.

We're just going to try and bloop this over the outfielder's head. Like the Mariners scored three or four of those runs on balls that, you know, were parachutes. Weston Wilson had an RBI that would just barely over the first baseman's head. Didn't get hit hard at all. Colt Emerson had two RBI on, you know,

a dying quail that just dropped right in front of the left fielder. Like, yeah, those balls are going to get caught. more often than not. That's just the law of averages. And this time they didn't. And that's great. Again, it's very cool to see them win a game without hitting a home run to show that they do have that, that, you know, club in their bag. Like, we can bunch together hits.

We can score runs that way. But ultimately, this team and this offense is not going to be consistently good until they start hitting home runs. They have to slow. They have to. It's not an optional thing for them. That is the way they're going to beat you consistently. That's what we want. We want them to consistently win games, consistently win series.

We don't want them scoring five, six, seven runs to be an outlier. And it's because they had a 650 BAP-it. They have to put the ball in the stands. But they can get a few more hits and then put the ball in the stands. That would be great, too, because this team hits a lot of solo home runs. Three-run home runs are what winning games. But, you know, cool. They bunched up a bunch of hits together.

ton of traffic again we've seen this team get a lot of singles and not score very many runs that's happened this year because they don't punch the hits together and it's it's not like well you should just bunch them together that's not that's not a thing you have to get lucky to bunch them together i mean on the on the road trip they they had traffic on the base pass pretty consistently you know they just weren't able to touch home plate which is ultimately the name of the game yeah to to your point like they need to slug more and the way that you can and really the best way to stack slug at T-Mobile Park is by hitting it over the wall because T-Mobile Park right now by park factors third worst ballpark in terms of hitting doubles in it's an 89 100 is

average by far the worst ballpark to hit triples in so 39 again 100 is average yeah home run wise though I mean they're still in the bottom half but they're 12th worst it's 97 they're roughly it's roughly a league average ballpark to hit home runs in. Yeah. It's just you have to slug. I mean, and plus this lineup is way too many streaky hitters in it to rely on just bunching a bunch of, you know, bunching a bunch of singles together and scoring, you know,

station to station. Julio's a hot cold bat. Luke Grayley's hot cold. Domkand's own's hot cold. Colt Everson's a 20 year old. So naturally he's going to have, you know, these ups and downs. Cole Young's 22. he's going to have ups and downs.

And obviously Cal Raleigh right now is just having a huge down. Like there's very little up with Cal Raleigh right now. So but even when he's going well, he can be, you know, kind of streaky in there. Like you just can't rely on these guys to go out there. You're not full of a bunch of guys who are going to hit 300, you know, like this is not a lineup full of, you know, prime Thai frances. Like these are guys who are going to run hot. They're going to run cold like most hitters do. That's not uncommon.

But a lot of these guys have extreme hot and cold months. Like look at Julio. Incredible May, bad June. You know, and these things last for a month. They don't last for, you know, 10 days. The Mariners just don't have those kind of bats. Those bats are Juan Soto. And the Mariners don't want to pay them.

So it's one of those things like, yes, it's great that they put all these hits together. It was great to see them win a game in that fashion. Thankfully, the bullpen of the Angels is terrible. That certainly helped as well. but ultimately you still have to get back to hitting home runs. Without a doubt, you have to hit some home runs. Again, I would say Monday is the more encouraging game and the more sustainable game versus Tuesdays.

But at the end of it, they won both of them. That's really all that matters. So if they went tonight by hitting five hits, but they're all home runs, then nobody cares. Like if they win by, you know, getting 15 hits and 10 of them are singles, nobody cares. Like you just have to win, but the way to do it repeatedly,

the best way to bank on it going forward, you have to get on base, and then you have to hit the home run, and then continue to pitch like you have, for the most part, for the last couple of weeks. All right. Well, on Tuesday,

Brian Wu set a team mobile park record as he continues to dominate at home, but why is he so bad on the road compared to how dominant he is at home? We'll talk about that in just a moment, but first a reminder, this episode of the Locktime Errors podcast is brought to you by Kalshi. Baseball season is here and now you can trade every game on Kalshi. Seattle is trading at 69% to beat Los Angeles tonight.

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very weird game, but on the pitching side of things, business as usual for Brian Wu at T-Mobile Park, who just continues to dominate at the Mariners' home ballpark. 32 and a third consecutive scoreless endings for Wu. That is a team mobile park record for a Mariners pitcher. Unfortunately, that streak did come to an end. But Wu has been sensational at home. Opponents are hitting 156, 195, 222 against Wu

at C Mobile Park this year. He is running a 210 ERA. However, on the road, opponents are hitting 284, 325, 448, Wu has a 638 ERA on the road. So Brian Wu at home is a Syung contender. On the road, he's not even a major league starter, numbers-wise. Why is that, Colby?

Brian Wu doesn't know either. If he knew he would stop doing it, like, yeah it's hard to say you know um the woo road start looks pretty typical uh now where like he'll cruise for a little while and then he'll have one inning where things just completely implode on him yeah it's usually the second time through the order usually that yeah fourth fifth inning uh usually sometimes a third game is a great example of that yeah and it's just one of those things where it's like something goes wrong. Usually he'll walk a guy or something. And then maybe it's a bloop single. And then all of a sudden it's just fastballs down the

middle of the plate, sliders down the middle of the plate. He's trying to get back into counts. And then guys don't miss it. They hit home runs. Like he's having a real home run problem on the road. So yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things where it feels like it's a ticking, you know, time bomb because he could look great for the first three innings. And you're like, cool he's figured it out he's got it and then just boom like it just happens the second time through and don't really know what it is i mean the we know he throws a lot of fastballs and i saw some people complaining like well he throws too many fastballs that's the problem you want him to stop throwing the fastball because that's his best pitch uh and it's one of the best pitches in baseball when he locates

it so uh no you're not going to tell him you know you're going to tell a duck not to swim like it's just one of those things like you have to you have to throw your best pitch as often as you can I mean like that that's a game plan but obviously you know maybe you mix in more first pitch sweepers and sliders and he's starting to find that pitch a little more maybe some changeups but at the end of the day Brian Wu needs his fastball to be successful and for whatever reason he's not getting value out of it on the road like he's just giving up hard contact and it usually comes at the same time second time through the order like you feel very like very likely go nine up, nine down, or maybe, you know, one guy reaches the first time through the order,

then the second time that middle of the order comes up again, they're teeing off on him. It's kind of a very similar pattern every single time out there on the road. And I'm not really sure what it is, because we've seen him try to throw more first pitch sweepers. We've seen him kind of try and change the attack plan as much as you want him to on the road. And for whatever reason, it's not working. And I don't think he's tipping pitches because if he was, he would have. have home issues too. Like, I don't care how good of a, you know, the arm slot is at Team Mobile Park in particular. I don't care how good that is.

If you know a fastball is coming, you can hit it like anybody's fastball. So it's just kind of one of those things where it's like, I don't think he's tipping pitches. I don't think this is, he's throwing way too many fastballs on the road or anything like that. I just, at this point, I have to believe it's some kind of mental block that like he kind of feels the walls closing in on him. once there starts to become traffic on the road and you can't make that out pitch to get out of it. We saw him pitch around runners in scoring position a couple times with zero or one outs in his last start against Anaheim, and he maneuvered that without giving up a run. So it's just, I don't know.

I really don't know because I think it's probably some kind of mental block because, again, it was pitch tipping. You'd probably be having some troubles at home. I don't think it's a pitch-mix thing. It just seems to be that, you know, kind of a here-we-go-again type of mentality once somebody reaches first base. It just kind of seems to have a snowball effect on them.

I don't know what it is. I don't think Brian's mentally weak or anything like that. Does he have some form of the yips, maybe? I don't know. It's just a very weird thing that's happening to him right now. I wonder if it is an actual like ballpark thing because like you know going back to park factors T-Mobile Park is the best in baseball in terms of strikeouts and when you look at the strikeout numbers for for woo this year 30% at home 19.1% on the road I wonder if like the batters eye

in T-Mobile park just fundamentally changes how the fastball looks to hitters I don't know it's really strange going back to the to the first time through the order second time through the order numbers at first time through the order he's been fine a phip of of three flat opponents are hitting 209 313 2779 but then second time through the order 759 er a 235 uh 235 average 301 on base percentage 506 slug second time to the order so teams are picking up on him pretty quick like they need

a one at bat to get settled in against him and at that point you know from that point forward then it's just it's kind of go time against woo right now on the road I don't get it you think there might be something to the to the batters eye thing

the you know just the T-Mobile Park thing and how that might be affecting the fastball I mean why didn't it impact him last year Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know. I'm trying to make sense out of a very complicated situation. I don't think there's any sense that we can make out of it, us.

You know, and by the way, the Mariners player development and Cal Raleigh and their pitching, you know, development and they're pitching coaches and all those, you know, great minds they have. They can't figure it out either. Yeah. because of they again if they if they knew they would fix it obviously yeah so it's just one of those things like i don't have a good explanation for it um it's not weird that we would be better at team mobile park than on the road i mean team mobile park's a great place to pitch in it's weird that he's goes from you know arguably the best pitcher in baseball or one of them to the worst pitcher in baseball just based on the venue like the swing shouldn't be that dramatic like if we was just

average on the road we wouldn't be having this conversation he's not average on the road. He's he's dreadful on the road. So it really is weird. And I mean, I don't know. Like last year, Logan Gilbert could only really pitch a team mobile park. And this year he's significantly better on the road. Like it could just be a little fluky thing. Again, I don't know what the solution is. You hope Cal and Brian and Woodworth and, you know, you know, the pitching strategist and all those guys can figure something out. But it's been going on all year. They haven't figured it out yet. It leads me to believe this might be some kind of mental block or something that

Wu's trying to, you know, get through right now because he has no problem pitching in high pressure spots at home. Run around second, no-out, whatever. I'll pitch around it. I'll get it done. Run around second, no-out on the road, that's a four-five run inning. like it just repeatedly and consistently the same thing over and over again for whatever reason it runs into any kind of trouble on the road his pitches wind up in the middle of the plate and that's fastball that's change up that that that's sweeper they all end up in the middle of the plate still so i i don't know what it is i really don't i again if it was you know pitch tipping it would be affecting him at home too i i just i find it hard to believe that

Brian Wood just happens to be tipping pitches and the only teams that happen to know what he's throwing all happen to be on the road. You know what I mean? Like, oh, Baltimore knows what he's he's tipping pitches to Baltimore and it's like oh, but you know, the angels couldn't figure it out, but Baltimore did and Baltimore is playing on the road and the angels are at home. I, you know what I mean? It's just the whole thing is just very odd.

I mean, he also he also faced Baltimore his very next start after the blow up in Baltimore and he went seven scoreless against him. So yeah. Yeah. So I don't think I don't think it's that like yeah. My my best guess is that maybe the fastball just looks different to teams on the road than it does at home. Maybe but I can't confidently say that. I still don't like that explains the six plus ERA on the road.

So I don't know. We'll figure it out if you know the Mariners could if they wanted to, they could reshuffle their rotation and Wu could start on Sunday against the Blue Jays at home. But as things stand right now, his last two starts of the year are going to come against Tampa and against Miami, two of the hottest teams of baseball. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. But yeah, it's one of the big mysteries that that, along with Cal Raleigh, you know,

not being 2021 Cal Raleigh for an entire season. The mayor has can figure those two things out. here, you know, in short order, that would probably have the biggest impact of anything the Mariners do for the rest of the year. All right. So yesterday we had Joe Doyle on the show, and he had quite a few interesting nuggets of info and just insight that we want to go over here in just a moment and give you our reaction to. But first, a reminder, this episode of the Locktime Marries podcast is brought to you by Game Time. There's nothing like watching a Mariners game.

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So on yesterday's show, we had a fairly lengthy discussion with our good buddy, Joe Doyle from overslaught baseball, who had a lot of interesting stuff to say about the Mariners, especially with what he thinks they might do at pick number 24 in the upcoming draft. We also got into some trade talk about like Felton and Celestin. We talked about what the Mariners might do here to make room for Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan and their future rotation. A lot of stuff. What stood out to you the most from that conversation, though, Colby? That I'm right.

The Mariners should strongly consider trading George Kirby at the deadline. I think that's word for word what he said. Yeah, what's interesting to me. And, you know, Joe's about as dialed into the Mariners as anybody you're going to find. So when he tells you, you know, I think they're thinking this or I think I feel like they're considering this or blah, blah, blah, blah. Like you should probably take that maybe not as the gospel, but like that's probably more accurate information than anywhere else you're going to get it from. So when he tells me that, you know, the Mariners are probably considering college outfielders. at 24 when the entire industry is literally saying they're going to draft a pitcher,

they're going to draft a pitcher. That's one that you should pay attention to because that is completely counter to everything else everybody is telling you. Like when Joe says that they're doing a lot of work on these outfielders in Texas, I would be inclined to think that they're probably going to take one of those outfielders from Texas. Now there's Texas. There's TCU.

There's the University of Texas. There's a lot of Texas school. with a lot of great outfielders. But yeah, it's just interesting. They did a roundup today, and you're seeing like Taylor Rave and what the kid from Tennessee, Keegan Toons, I think is, Teigen Coons. Tegan Coons.

Yeah, Teigen Coons. I saw somebody, I think baseball America had him taking a prep left-handed pitcher. Keith Law had him taking a prep left-handed pitcher, and everybody else has him going. college pitcher and Joe says, well, you know, I'm thinking I'm here and they're probably going to go out or they're at least strongly considering outfield. That's something you should pay attention to. And that's interesting. It also makes a good deal since. The Mariners are going to have a couple openings in their outfield here in the next year or two. And then truly not a ton of guys in the farm that scream major league out, maybe LAS, maybe if you can get the strikeouts under control a little bit, maybe a royo who Joe still likes quite a bit. So I maybe, but yeah, the outfield makes sense. And they have, at least right now, seven, eight starting pitchers who are controlled through the next three years, like that, that, you know, they have a lot of starting pitching. They're still draft starting pitching.

Don't get me wrong, but maybe not in round one. And, you know, he also said, or at least implied, sounds like the Mariners probably going to try and go overslaught in the second round, which is another big thing because they, They don't have the extra pick to kind of play with the money. So like if they go over slot in round two, that's pretty much the draft class. It's those two guys. And sometimes that works. You got Ryan Sloan with that strategy. Sometimes it doesn't.

And you end up drafting Evan Wyatt and Sam Carlson. And you just wasted an entire draft year. So I myself don't like that strategy. I've never been a fan of putting all your eggs into two, you know, into all two eggs into one basket. And that's the entire draft class. It hinges on that. But the merits have done it. They don't do it every year, but they do it.

And Joe seems to think this might be a year where they target a prep pitcher in round two and go way over slot. And then they just kind of punt the rest of the draft. So again, when Joe, when Joe's talking about those things that are counter to what the narrative is, you should probably believe Joe specifically when it comes to the Mariners. Agreed. Yeah, Joe is very tapped in. so I can say that with full confidence that Joe would know specifically what the Marys are doing on the draft set of things as well

so yeah so when when Joe speaks I absolutely listen on that stuff yeah I think the other thing that he mentioned that was really interesting is that he doesn't think that the Mariners are even close with Logan Gilbert and George Kirby on on extension talks right now yeah and so that kind of brings us back to the conversation that we had with Joe and that you and I had on what was it Monday's episode Tuesday's episode Tuesday's episode I think that you should highly consider trading one of these guys now for me just because you know Logan is closer to free agency Logan is kind of the guy that that I focus on whereas you're more focused on George Kirby in that regard but like obviously they're going to have to do something about at least a couple of these guys to make room for kate anderson and ryan sloan here in the next year or so and um you know like joe mentioned you know you don't want to just completely clear out the cupboard

and just assume that all these guys are going to stay healthy and ryan sloan and kate anderson are going to be good right away and blah blah blah blah blah so like you want to be careful with it and don't you know go too overboard here with just like clearing room and trading all these guys. But to me, with, okay, why, yeah. The idea like, oh, well, you have to keep one of these starters so that, you know, when there's an injury, which we've been saying now for the last three months, still waiting for that injury to pop up. And I'm sure it will at some point. Don't get me wrong.

I mean, but like, remember, what was it, 23? They were all healthy for the entire year. And then 2024, yeah, they just got beat to hell. so yeah i don't know the idea like oh well you have to keep around louise castillo because what if ryan sloan's not right like okay then you just roll with another number four number five starter like the mariners can kind of make a number five starter look at what they did with hancock who was going to get df a at some point this year before he turned into like a fringe all star like they'll just make logan evans a number five for a couple months it'll be fine whatever

spend three million bucks on on walker beuler and just figure out how you feel about that in the moment. I feel fine. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't a particularly

a huge fan of watching Emerson Hancock and Logan Evans last year. Oh, because Emerson Hancock sucked. And now he doesn't. Oh. Logan Evans was, I'm not saying,

I'm not saying Emerson Hancock specifically. I'm just saying, you know, a number five level started. Like you didn't have a lot of fun. Yeah, but you didn't have a lot of fun watching those guys last year. You were very open about that.

Because they didn't exist. assist. Cock wasn't a five last year. He was like an eight. He's kind of a five. He was kind of like a six or a seven at best. He had a blowup starts. That's kind of a five.

A lot more blow up than he had good. That's not a five. Whatever. Anyway, we're getting off track here. Whatever. Just draft a college pitcher in the third round who will fly through the system. You'll be fine.

I think we're forgetting top 10 pitching prospect Jackson Steensma. right of course Joe did not mention yesterday which was a little bit weird because he also didn't he's been a big fan he didn't mention Mason Peters yesterday yeah I mean like nobody bats a thousand

no but no but in all seriousness though it's the Gilbert thing is just so complicated again because like if he if he did trade him this summer what are you trading him for are you ultimately better if you trade

Like, especially if you're in a position to compete. By the way, even if you're better, you're going to sell that to the clubhouse? Where Logan Gilbert is the unquestioned leader of that pitching staff and is also best friends with your team captain. Yeah. So like operationally, why that, while that makes some sense, operationally speaking, maybe it makes the most sense if you're going to trade Gilbert just because of the lockout coming up. Like, that doesn't really work. Like, that's not a realistic thing. Logan Gilbert's not getting traded this summer.

unless this team completely falls off a cliff. And even at that point, I have doubts that they would actually trade Logan Gilbert. So, but then, you know, you get into the off season where you're going to have three weeks, three and a half weeks to try and trade Logan Gilbert before the lockout happens on December 1st. And, you know, and if you don't get it done by then, which odds are you probably wouldn't be able to get it done by then. When is the off, you know, when are things going to open back? up how many games are we actually playing in 27 are we playing games in

27 you know there's all these questions right I think we will play games in 2027 to be clear but like but like what if it is a shortened season yeah then now you know teams are only going to be trading for 20 Logan Gilbert starts at that point

so how much is that actually worth in the end you know can you get the Freddy Peralta package, which you brought up to Joe? Or would it even be less than than a Freddie Peralta package just because of the limited amount of games? I don't know. It's just it's a really complicated situation,

but like if you know that Logan Gilbert is not going to sign an extension, you know, do you really want to risk him leaving for nothing? Because odds are there's no qualifying offer in the new CBA. So you're not even going to get a draft pick potentially. You know, you did mention that, you know, the other day that maybe they re-implement the type A,

where it doesn't cost the signing team. The signing team is not punished for, you know, paying a good player, but the team that lost that player still gets compensation for losing the player. So maybe it's something like that,

but we don't know. We haven't heard that mentioned yet, so hard to say. Yeah. So there's a very good chance that, like, there's nothing on the table for you. If you just roll through 2027 with,

with Gilbert on your roster. Sure. At some point, though. aren't you more likely to win the World Series with Logan Gilbert on your roster? Well, that's the other point too. In 2027, do you just run that risk and say, hey, you know, you test for agency.

We have our offer. This is what it is. And if you want to take it, fine, if not, go test free agency to see what you can get. We're still going to keep you because we want to try. We think you give us a great chance to win the World Series in 2027. So we're going to roll the dice. Yeah.

Like, what Logan Gilbert could give you for the next year and a half, specifically what he could give you in 2027, no matter how many games are played. Is that worth more to you than the equivalent of whatever, what did the Mets get for, or what did the Brewers get for, for,

Jeff Williams and Andrew else? And Brandon Sprote. Yeah. Yeah. Like two good, not elite prospect, but too good. Like, would you trade, like, would you trade Logan Gilbert for,

I mean, essentially their version of, there's not really a, Mason Peters is in Brandon Sprote, but Ryan Sloan and Anderson or in Sprope. But would you trade for basically, would you trade Logan Gilbert for Michael Oroyo and, you know, Arroyo and Stevenson?

Would you make that swap? Or would you just rather keep Logan for 2027 and run the risk that you get nothing for him? But obviously, if you trade Logan Gilbert for those two guys, those two types of players, no guarantee either of those guys are major leaguers at all. Right, right. And you might get nothing for him anyways. and lose out on one more season of him. So there is that kind of dance.

But Joe's right when he says, you know, the team probably should operate more like the Brewers. Because unfortunately, that's kind of where ownership wants them to be payroll-wise. And so you have to make moves like that that are going to be unpopular. And all of that, because you're just not going to spend the money that you need to spend to keep these guys around.

So, yeah, I mean, we'll see. I still think the only starter they'll trade this summer will be Luis Castillo, if they even trade him. I'm not saying they will. But yeah, I stand by what I said. I think they strongly need to consider shopping. I would still say George Kirby. I think there's less impact in the clubhouse.

If you trade to George Kirby and they can get more for him. And Joe even mentioned it when you talk about it. I was like, can you get an impact reliever and, you know, a, you know, kind of a good, like we had talked about with my Mariao and Waltz and Lawler like trade package. Yeah. Bill laid out a very similar idea to that without names, but like just the concept of the trade. That's what I would be looking for. So yeah, some really interesting stuff from Joe.

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