Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - It's NOW OR NEVER For Rob Refsnyder as Seattle Mariners Square Off Against Boston's Lefties

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

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It's now or never for Rob Ruff Snyder. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors, and it is Friday, June 19th, 2026. Happy June Teeth. My name is Tiding Gazzalas, and I'm joined as always by my co-co's Colby Patnode. This episode is brought to you by Odu.

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uniqueness, and of course, if we think they make sense for every club involved. Now, we'll get to your trades a little later on, but we start with the Mariners' upcoming series against the Red Sox. And as I said, at the tail end of yesterday's show, Boston has been terrible this year. They are the second worst team in all baseball. by record, but they are bringing the Mariners' greatest kryptonite to town. They'll be rolling out three consecutive lefties, very good lefties too, out of their

rotation. So while Luke Rayleigh might finally be available again, not necessarily sure how much we're actually going to see of him this week. And I'm not sure how much we're going to see of Julio. I do know, however, that we are probably going to see a lot of Rob Reff Snyder. And yeah, that does not fill me with a ton of confidence, Colby. Yeah, it's hard to say why based on, you know, everything that Rob Reps-Nor-Sinters, and I don't even know this time, he went four-for-nine on the last road trip.

So he's clearly figured things out. Yeah, this is, you know, not great. I mean, the Red Sox are the worst team at baseball, at least record-wise, or one of the top three or bottom three, however you want to look at it. They just got swept. They lost a four-game series. They had to fly across the country with no. No off day.

And now they play a Mariners team who, you know, just took two or three from in. And, you know, is in first place. And somehow it feels like the Red Sox are, are primed to sweep this series because we know the Mariners are probably going to roll out a lineup that includes both Rob Reff Snyder and Connor Joe for the next three days at the expense of, you know, Luke Rayleigh, certainly, and maybe Dom Canzone. Even though Canzone has like three hits against lefties in the last week and after. the Mariners lineup is so

like shattered right now that they might not actually be able to keep like Canzone's first real opportunity against lefties might just come because the Mariners literally don't have a choice which is stupid but you know whatever whatever it takes I guess but we'll see how that all works out

but yeah I mean we don't know if Julio's going to play it sounded like they were thinking he was probably going to be able to play today but we don't know obviously Randy crushes lefties and he's not going to be in there. So, yeah, and, you know, Dan Wilson hasn't shown any interest in having both of his catchers in the lineup at the same time. So Garber, who's handled lefties pretty well this year,

he's probably only going to get one start in this entire series. So, yeah, it's the lefties really are a problem for the Mariners. And, you know, we'll see what happens. But without Ref Snyder, you know, to be there to kind of, you know, counteract the lefty heavy. approach. Don't forget they have Chapman in the bullpen as well. So this does not bode well for the Mariners to

score a lot of runs. Ranger Suarez is very good. Totally has been great this year. Early is been fine. So yeah, they're not in great shape to win this series, but it does feel to me at the very least like this is

the last weekend for Rob Reff Snyder. It's now or it's get off of my ball club. And I know we should have done that weeks ago and all that but like there's no more excuse right this is what you're brought in to do to hit left handed pitching you're getting you're going to get three starts in a row against left handed pitching

and after that we'll be halfway through the year like it's now or never well and we're no longer at a point where it's a small sample size for him you know last year he had 209 played appearances with the Red Sox he has 104 this year

that's not a small sample size relative to his role anymore No, it's, it wasn't a small sample size when they said, oh, he only had 60 played appearances a month ago. Like, no, that's not, that is a third of this season. Like, he's at his halfway mark of the season right now. And we're at game, what, 78, something like that? So, yeah, he's right where he should be in terms of, you know, the playtime and all that. So this is it, man.

Like, if you can't hit now, there's literally no excuse. When Randy comes back, Ruff Snyder's the move. Like, it really isn't upward debate. any longer and and you know the mariners have given rob more than enough time and the crazy thing is is that rob is talked about all year that he's got kind of this neat problem that he's trying to work through why wouldn't you just put him on the iL and then send him on a rehab assignment and if you so it just this is it man like put up or shut up rob your career is on the line uh i don't think anybody's going to claim you if you get df a'd like you were brought in here to do one thing you haven't done it at all

you bring no other value to the ball club. You need to have a good series. And it's really simple as that. If you don't have a good series, your career is over. That would be a sucky way for it to end. And I know Rob's a great dude and they really like him in that clubhouse. It's about production, man. We're halfway through the year.

You have to provide value to this team. And right now, Rob Reff Snyder is an anchor. So this is it. This is your shot. There's no excuse. You get three starts in a row. you've had some success on the road trip. I'll be in a very small sample size.

You don't provide any base running value. You don't provide any defensive flexibility or value whatsoever. You have to do this one thing. And if you don't do it with three starts in a row, you don't get to be on the roster anymore. I'm sorry, goodbye. Like it's time to move on. And Randy should be back.

Assuming there's no setbacks or anything, I think he can be activated on Tuesday when the team or Wednesday. day when the team's in Pittsburgh. So this is it, man. It's now or never for Rob. And again, suck you away for somebody's career to end because they just suck and nobody wants to take a shot on them. But that's the point we're at.

It's now or never. So we'll see what happens. But yeah, if Rob was ever going to break out and provide any kind of value whatsoever, this is the weekend to do it. It has to be this weekend. Or you have to leave. It really is that simple. Yeah.

Yeah, it's gotten to the. point now where like would victor lebrada or spencer packard be more useful on this roster and both of those guys are lefties like handedness wise they don't make any sense for this roster yet like could lebrata's glove and his speed be more valuable to me right now than what robes center brings i think you can make a very strong argument for yes plus you're i mean you're at the stage now right where victor robles is back he's healthy is he going to be that much better with the bat i mean Yeah, because this version of Rob Ref Snyder's unplayable, but you're going to get speed and defense there and versatility.

And then you have, you know, when Randy's back, you'll have Randy and Julio and then Canzone. Maybe he proves he's a full-time player and he just becomes a full-time DH. But even if he doesn't, even it's like, well, we still want to platoon Canzone with somebody against lefties. Mitch Garver is right there on the bench. Use Mitch Garver. He is better at the role you envision for Rob Reff Snyder than Rob Reff Snyder.

And if Cal has to come out of a game, oh, oh, you just put Garber in the catcher spot. You lose the DH for four innings and you figure it out the next day. It's really not that big of a deal. So, yeah, I think it's a no-brainer. So once Randy comes back, I just don't see how Ruff Snyder survives unless it is literally just because ownership says you can't cut him yet. Like there's just no way. And I don't believe ownership would make that move in terms of like saying you can't cut that guy. And there were reports during the off season that Ruff Sennar was considering retirement before he wound up signing with the Mariners.

So I do wonder if maybe he would just retire if he got cut. He might. But like the end of the day, the Mariners need to maximize the roster a little bit here. And yeah, I would much rather have somebody who gives me something. Because like I said, at least Lerbara gives me some defense and some speed. Like he might not hit at all. But neither is Rob Ruff Snyder. and he's not giving me defense and speed.

So I'd rather have that. I'd rather have Ryan Bliss up right now. You know, obviously Johnny Parada and just make Garber the new Ruff Snyder. So, yeah, it's not like the Mariners don't have options, as banged up as they are. They have options. And, you know, again, keep an eye on Weston Wilson, who hits lefties pretty well in his major league career and can play, you know, multiple spots around the infield and a little bit in the outfield.

Like that's more valuable than what Rob Reff Snyder has to hit lefties or he has no value whatsoever. Yeah. not and he hasn't done it this year so again this is this is it man it's an hour it's never yeah well and I've seen people say like

oh he's still around because he can play in the outfield and and first base and literally the mirrors don't think he can play first base because they didn't have him taking grounders with Miles Masterbony and Mitch Garver the other day they played Masterbony over there two times while Naylor was out

and with the knee thing I don't think they want to play him in the outfield that much either it's just I really don't understand why you wouldn't just place him on the IL like if you really don't want to lose him put him on the IL he has been talk he's been public about the knee problem he's been trying to work through put him on the IL let him rest and then use that rehab assignment as basically a demotion and see where you're at and then when the rehab assignment is over it doesn't look better you just DFA him yeah see if you can figure things out in Tacoma yeah like the IL is right there and it's an easy step to make it maybe that is a step maybe when we're Andy's activated. They just finally go, okay, Rob, the knee thing, like, we got to put you on the IL,

and then we'll send you to the coma for your rehab assignment. We'll see where we're at. But no, it just, he can't continue to waste space on the major league roster for another. It's just like, why are you pushing the envelope so much?

Right. And multiple ways with them. Yeah, it's just, there's no versatility there. Is it, it's time. It's time. Now or never, man. It really is.

You just, you're out of excuses after this weekend. The other guy that I'm really fascinated to see in this series is cold Emerson against these three lefties. This is going to be a little bit of a heat check, I think, for Emerson going up against these three lefties. Because he's struggled so far against lefties in his major league career, 136, 269, 364 in his first 26 plate appearances against left-handed pitchers. But obviously, he's been off to a fantastic start in general. Now he's slashing 235-309-5-29. That's an 838 OPS.

It's a 135 WRC plus. He's been worth almost a full win by Fangraph standards. And I posted this stat last night. And since the turn of the century, only eight players aged 20 or younger. I've posted an OPS of 800 or greater over their first 26 games of their career. That would be Jason Hayward,

Bryce Harper, Rognetto Dodor, Carlos Correa, Raphael Devers, Juan Soto, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Colt Emerson. Brugnettoe is a fine player. Not a star, but he was a pretty good player for a couple years. Yeah, he was like a 10 one player.

It was just, you know. It's like a good player for like six years. He was only a 100 WRC plus guy twice in like 10 years. But, for pretty solid player. He was like relative to other. He's the worst player on that list, but he's still like a solid player. Yeah. So, you know, again, Emerson,

then I couldn't hit Kyle Bride. He couldn't hit water. He fell out of a vote on Saturday, on Wednesday. But, you know, he had the big RBI last night. Yeah, bats, getting a little tricky. It does seem to breaking ball is kind of the new formula here. But against lefties, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how he kind of makes his adjustment against him.

He's never struggled enough against them that you would think that he would be a platoon bat. And there's no reason to think he is now. I mean, he's 20 years old. Facing the best lefties in the world. So, like, yeah, there's probably going to be a little bit of a, you know, a step back there or a learning curve there. But, yeah, obviously, you know, he's a very talented player. So, you know, he'll get three starts here.

Same with Cole Young. Remember, Cole Young got off to a great start against lefties this year. And he's really slowed down since. So we kind of seen those two guys in that Oriole series. They had a couple moments together hitting back to back where they really, you know, provided good at bats and runs and all of that. So, yeah, those two guys combined. probably going to be really interesting, especially without Randy.

You're going to need one of your lefties to step up and hit these lefties. So we'll see if either of them can do it. Obviously, you know, JP handles lefties just fine. Julio's destroying lefties this year. Naylor, kind of an up and down thing against lefties in his career. So we'll see how it all looks, but you need Rob Reff Snyder to step up. And you either need, you know, obviously Julio needs to have a good series, assuming he's playing. and Cal obviously rough day for him yesterday.

But yeah, the lefties thing is tough. You just need guys to be better against lefties. And it starts with the guy you paid to literally only do one thing who, you know, hasn't done it this year. Like Rob Reff Snyder needs to be a factor in the series. It really is that simple. All right. Well, it is fan fiction Friday.

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Texans can't drive. All right. Has a trade here with the Chicago Cubs where the Mariners get Sayas Suzuki for Luis Castillo, straight up. Yeah, it's a deal that makes sense. Certainly now, kind of the problem here. Well, let's start here. Why it makes sense.

The Cubs need starting pitching badly. Sure. they have talked apparently openly that like yeah we're willing to move say a Suzuki who is a rental like you only get him for the rest of this year and the Mariners obviously need or would like a right-handed hitting outfielder preferably one who can also play against Rides and Suzuki while he's not a great player he's a solid player solid hitter can play right field no problem question lefties yep he's good 12 WRC plus against Rides he's a good fit for Seattle Luis Castillo, based on what we've seen for the last month or so, he's back. Like he's a good solid pitcher like he has been for the last couple of years. So I think, you know, just in that vacuum,

the Marys want to right-handed hit bat. The Cups need starting pitching. The Mariners have a surplus of starting pitching right now as of today. That could change. But, you know, as of right now, they have that surplus pitching. So on that, it all makes sense. The one thing that's a little bit of a X factor here, Luis has that extra year of club control.

And it's not a cheap one. It's $24 million or whatever. Plus there is that option, that vesting option for another $22 million, I think it is, that is based on innings pitched. And the Cubs are going to acquire Luis Castillo. They're going to acquire him as a starting pitcher. So, like, if the Cubs were to make this trade,

they would be taking on probably, well, at least $20 some odd million, and then probably an additional $20 million at that point. So that's $40 million extra dollars. Are they going to be willing to do that? I don't know. And then at that point, do the mayors add money? Do they, is there another contract they could take on from the Cubs that makes sense?

No, not really. So yeah, it can get pretty messy with the money. And that's where this whole thing kind of, you know, you have to tap the brakes a little bit on paper. This makes a ton of sense. I think if there wasn't that option year on Castile, deal as well. They could probably figure out something with the money.

And maybe they still do. But like, yeah, this trade makes sense for both sides to some degree at the very least. Then, you know, we've talked about Luis Castillo and the Cubs. Well, not last offseason, but the offseason before quite a bit. And obviously there's no trade clause. He was kind of close to being a cub from everything that I had heard. It was pretty close to happening until Kyle Tucker became available.

So, yeah, I think, you know, again, assuming Louise continues to pitch well over the next couple of weeks, assuming the Mariners still have the surplus of starting pitching that they have right now, assuming say Suzuki, obviously, blah, blah, blah. We're assuming it's late July and everything that needs to be assumed is happening, right, with all of these. I think on paper, one for one swap makes a lot of sense. The money is where I kind of be like, I don't know if the Cubs are willing to do that. Do you have to give them another prospect to offset the money, like probably a good one? Or do you just will pay for half of next year and you just kind of make that sunk cost? Because you're still saving money if you pay for half of Luis's contract next year.

And you're saving a little bit of money this year, not that that matters that much. So yeah, the money makes it a little difficult. But just as the deal is proposed right now, I think that's at least a 50, 55. I mean, it's reasonable for both teams. It's something realistic. There's nothing here to address. the money though and so that's why i don't think it's like any better than that i think it's a

starting point i don't think it's a complete trade sure i think maybe this is i think this is like the skeleton of the trade but i think it's missing a few bones maybe on both sides too maybe the mariners add somebody and then like the cup like the mariners i don't know they they like add like just by way of example like michael o'reo and then the cups add like a lesser prospect You know, I mean, just to kind of try and make it. Because I do think that the, like, if you just propose this straight up to the Cubs, the Cubs would be like, like, it's fine, but no, we think we're taking too much of a risk here on this. And the Cubs, well, they're certainly willing to spend more money than the Mariners are.

They've also been hesitant to spend a ton of money. And so I do wonder if, you know, for all the money that you mentioned on specifically Luis Cascio, like yeah they they need pitching but do they want castillo with all the money that's attached to them you know so how much are you going to have to pay that down if you're the mariners or how much are you going to have to give up uh in addition to castio to make it work for the cubs that's really my question there so again i think this is the i think this is the starting point this is the focal point of the trade where you have that down but it does need to be flushed out more to address some of the other questions, the very important questions that come with this.

I think in general, Castillo for Suzuki swap works, though. So, yeah, I'll give you a 50. Yeah, I think it's a 50. Like, I wouldn't be shocked at all. Like, if this exact grade happened, just this one for one and there was, like, no money or anything, I wouldn't be shocked. But I think the Cubs are going to want something to take on that contract. It's probably just money going back to the Cubs.

But, you know, we'll see. I don't know the Cubs payroll well enough. I don't know if there's any prospects or any big contracts that they might want to get rid of to kind of try and even out the money a little bit. And maybe they just want to trade Suzuki for prospects and then use the prospects they get to try and go on, get a different starting pitcher. But yeah, overall in general, based on all the info we have right now, at least a 50, yeah. All right, we'll go over more of your trades in just a moment. But first a reminder of this episode of the Locktime Marys podcast is brought to you by Odoo and Kalshi.

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Bocker, guy didn't know much about, looked him up, under 40 degree arm slot. Mariners typically like that. He's got two plus breaking balls. And a fastball that's fine. The fastball is interesting. Like opponents are hitting under 200 against it,

but they're slugging, I think, almost 500 against it. And it's a super high spin rate fastball, too. So there is some value. There's not a ton of delo behind it. It's about 95 miles an hour. But yeah, it's interesting. You know, two separate breaking balls, both of them plus a useful fastball, a decent

splitter. And this is a guy who's got four years of club control. Now, he's also 31 years old. Yeah. So I wanted to ask you how much you think that matters. I think a little bit because if you're the, like if you're the Marlins, you're going to say this guy's got four years of club control and he's at least, you know, a mid high leverage guy right now. He's been like a. He's pitched like a seventh inning guy.

Yeah, it's like a seventh inning guy. And so, yeah, they're going to be like, hey, he's got four years left of this. And if you're the marriage, you're probably going to be like, well, yeah, but it's four years of a number of like a seventh inning guy, not a closer or not a, not a. And he's 31 years old. the odds are the odds that we see all four of those years he's only done this really once right i mean last year he was fine this year he's pop though more and again the odds that we see him you know play out for full years in seattle are very slim because he's a reliever and obviously there's arbitration and all that and plus the new cba maybe players get free agency after five years and so

we actually are only trading for three and maybe we don't want to tender him in that last year so maybe it's only two blah blah blah so it's it's a tough guy to gauge value for plus the Marlins are kind of still in the playoff hunt a little bit. Yeah. They're also using Bacher as an opener. Yes. They're using him as an opener tonight, actually. Bacher can go multiple endings as well.

So there is real, this is a good pitcher, like a good valuable pitcher. He's not, you know, he's not a daddy. Maybe he becomes one. But I think it's, it's not too dissimilar, honestly, from where you were looking at Ferrer when you acquired him, where it's like, yeah, the tools are there for him to really explode and be that guy, but he hasn't really done it, like statistically, all that much. So I think if I'm the Marlins, I don't think I'm making this trade. Yes.

Now, if they lose, you know, if they, a month from now, they're, you know, 12 games under 500. Like, okay, let's have a conversation. But right now, I don't know. I think if I'm the Marlins, I'm like, give me Luke Rayleigh. I need outfield help. Like I need outfield help. And Rayleigh's got two years at least. He's going to help me at the major league level right now.

Yeah. And he keeps me alive in the playoff race. Now again, if they fade further back, then prospects probably work. And for, you know, four years of a seven, I think you probably need a little bit better headliner than Corbyn Dickerson. But I don't think we're talking about like Felman-Seltzden, not for Bacher, not for who he is right now, not for who he's been. But I think we're talking pretty decent.

I think you need like two Dickerson's. would be my guess. I wouldn't be surprised if they were like, give us Michael Arroyo. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I could see that.

Arroyo is kind of a polarizing prospect. Some teams apparently love him. We heard as late as last summer that some teams had Arroyo is like a top 20 prospect in baseball. And some teams don't have them in the top 100 at all because they don't know where he's going to play defense. Yeah, yeah,

exactly. So, yeah, I could see that. Now, Rayley, really could, depending on what the Marin is do at the deadline.

And if they do, add a significant bat to their like a say a Suzuki yeah that's what I was about to say is like if they add say a Suzuki yeah that's what I was about to say is like if they add say a Suzuki then maybe Rayleigh makes sense here to flip him for right now is as is Bacher specifically the guy that I want to trade Luke Rayleigh for that's kind of a whole other discussion sure you know we're talking about now so would you trade Rayleigh for Bocker if you had a full-time right-fielder I think that's kind of the idea that we've talked about is like

like, hey, if you make it where Raleigh or Kanzone kind of becomes expendable and we've got asked if, you know, who we would rather keep between the two, we would rather keep Kanzone. I still feel that way a couple weeks later after getting asked that. Yeah. So, yeah, if I was going to trade Raleigh, it would probably be for a high leverage reliever. Bocker has been a high leverage reliever this year. He's performed like it. I'd probably try and look for better than Bacher.

sure but if the mayor is if the mayor is traded luke raleigh for lake balker i'd be fine with that i wouldn't be doing backflips but i'd be no it's like okay it's solid so long as you have acquired that outfielder to replace like like a full-time outfielder otherwise if you're just going to go get another platoon bat i'd rather just keep luke raley and try and find a prospect for a reliever trade like you proposed here so yeah if you get to say a suzuki or i'd feel more comfortable if you got someone with more club control because you are trading multiple years of club control with with raley but yeah i don't think raleigh is going to be on this team next year either way so i i would be able to make peace with a deal like this though like involving really i think it be fine uh i think your proposal right now as it sits

i think it's 40 45 somewhere in that range uh i think it's i think it's i think it's a 40 because i think even if the marlins were a clear seller. I don't think this would get it done. I think it's just short of the mark. I think it's close, but I think it's short of the mark. And then you add in the fact that the Marlins are like the hottest team in baseball right now. And they're in the wild card mix and all that. So they might be looking more so for major league talent in return. So, yeah, so I think I'm out of 40.

They do have some bulk in depth. Anthony Bender's, we've got a couple trades on Anthony. I don't know if we have one this week or not. Yeah. But anyways, yeah. I think we do actually. If the trade was Luke Rayley for Bocker, what would you give that? 55.

I think it's like, yeah, like a 50. I'm sure the Martins would be like, well, we want Canzone. It's like, okay, well, no. But, yeah, they do need outfield help. Their outfield production, I think is 28th in baseball this year. And Stowers missed a good chunk of the year. So obviously, you know, that's part of it. But like, yeah, they need outfield help.

So I do think that's. Well, that's the other thing, too. They are very left-handed heavy. and they're outfield like the mayor is so I don't even know if Rayleigh would work for them. Yeah, maybe not. But I do think like a very good strong side. But again, this is the idea.

Yeah. Yeah, I think getting a like seventh inning guy with multiple years of club control is a pretty good price tag to put on Luke Rayleigh. Again, if they've acquired his replacement. Our next trade here on Fan Fiction Friday comes from Ryan. Taylor Ward for Brock Moore, one for one with the Baltimore Orioles. I think this is

close there probably needs to be a little bit more bulk from the marries but kind of comparing this to the Josh Naylor trade the Aeuanios trade like it's it's the comp it's about in the ballpark yeah it just probably needs like another

extra piece or two of not like significant consequence but yeah but not junk either no not just like here's Jared Sunstrom and some other stuff that I don't want. It's probably like Corbyn Dickerson.

Brockmore. I think that's pretty close. Now, Dickerson, again, polarizing prospect. Mariners have a couple of those guys. But, you know, just somebody in that range, I think is probably a couple of those guys. Like, again, who's the Tyler Locklear in this trade? It might be Brockmore. So. I'm not sure if there needs to be a Tyler Locklear in this specific trade because, like, yeah,

Ward's getting on base at a time, but he's not having a year anywhere close to any of Suarez. And he also doesn't play a premium position like Swarres. Locklear was the Swarst trade. Naylor was, Nailor was Izzy and Garcia. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Basically the same trade.

Yeah. So maybe it's like, I don't know. Maybe it's somebody. It's Christian Little, maybe. Like somebody like that. Maybe it's a little better. maybe it's Nikki Becker maybe I don't know but whatever I think you're in the right ballpark for like a starting range so I'll give you like a 45 I think you're a piece short but I do think that like if you could get like two Brock Moors

whoever that second piece is I think you're really in the in the game here but also right-handed bats are going to be at a premium this summer and ward's going to be one of the better ones so it might cost you a little bit more than Naylor did last year but we'll see overall I think you're in the ballpark of like a decent starting point but I think it's going to cost a little more so I'd say 45. I'll go 50 um yeah I'm just not sure what the second piece would be

maybe we'd have to be Mason Peters yeah it might um yeah for what war for how much Ward would likely help me yeah I'd be fine with trading Mason Peters and that deal and I think Ward it like Suzuki is another bat

where you would be like okay now we can explore we're trading Luke Rayleigh for another piece here. That helps us. So, yeah, again, not that I want to trade Luke Rayley, but if that's the best avenue, you can go down, you have to consider it. So, yeah, I'd say, I'd still say 45. Next trade here from Sanito.

Marinsgate Anthony Bender from the Marlins for Mason Peters and Jared Sundstrom. We've talked about, we've talked about, no, I'm blanking on his name, Anthony Bender quite a bit on the show. We've probably talked about Anthony Bender more than any, any show on the Lockdown Network except maybe Locked on Marlins. Probably. Probably. Yeah.

Sunstrom. It's a great name for a reliever. It is. Especially when his primary pitch is a sweeper. It's great name. It's no chief bender, but it's close. It's good. It's good.

By the way, I forgot to mention this. Bacher, A, he's got great hair, but also B, his Twitter handle is the sixth great lake. So pretty cool guys too. Um, yeah, but, uh, yeah, again, not to be disrespectful to Jared Suntstrom, he's worthless. Like he brings no value to the trade like this. I see him, I see him too, too much in these trades. I see it's so strong and I see McRagh too much. Yeah.

Like McGraw might be like a, I don't know what comes after a tertiary piece. What's the fourth piece called? Uh, but maybe like a lottery ticket fine, but like I think it's probably because Sunshram and McGraw are still like, ranked pretty high, I think, in pipeline. And it's like, so what? Like, they don't have value. Sunstrom has been bad this year.

Pretty sure. He's like 26 years old. Last time I checked, he had a 60 WRC plus and AA at 25, 26 years old. Yeah, like, no, he's just not worth anything in this trade. So right there, you're in trouble. Who was the other? He's 24, but he has a 67, 67 WRC plus at double A. So.

And then the other piece was who? Mason Peters, which that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. I still think Peters is good enough. Again, if the Marlins are truly selling, right, in July, I think Peters is enough to carry that deal. So even though I think Cunchram is pointless and honestly worthless in trade talks, I still think, you know, honestly, it might be a little bit of an overpay to give up Mason Peters for Bender. But Bender's pretty good.

He's pretty darn good. So I think this is a really good year. Yeah. And he's pretty darn good. And he got him next year as well. I think I'm going to give this trade, even with the extra piece that's totally unnecessary. I'm still going to give it a 50, 55. I think it's reasonable.

Again, assuming the Marlins are actually selling, which we don't know right now, but obviously we have to assume a lot of things. We're going to do fan fiction Friday on June 19th. Yeah, 50 to 55. That's where I'm at as well. Thank you in the ballpark. Final trade of the day comes from Sone where the marries get Matt Veerlin and Will Vess for Nicky Becker, Teddy McRaw, and Tyler Cleveland.

and as Sown mentions, Virling hasn't been great, but it has decent numbers against lefties. Yeah, he was one of the right-handed platoon bats that I had on my list that we went over

a couple weeks ago. You can play some third. Yeah, you can play multiple spots. So, yeah, I like the Vierlin fit with the Mariners. This is pretty much,

this is pretty much Nikki Becker having to carry the whole package, though. Yeah. Invest has a year after this year, too, right? Yeah,

I just don't know how much. much trade value Teddy McGraw has, if at all, right now just because of how little he's been available in his pro career. And then Tyler Cleveland is, what, 27 years old? And he's, and he's struggling right now. So, uh, Veerling, I think is a free agent after this year. I think he's a rental, but best has a year after this year. So I think you need, again, maybe the Tigers love Nikki Becker. I doubt it. I think to get both of these guys, I think you need to add like a Michael Arroyo. So I think you're probably looking at something like Arroyo and Peters, maybe, something like that.

What did you say on the clip control? On Veerling. Yeah. Or I think he's a free agent after this year? No, you get them for next year as well. You get both of these guys for next year. Yeah, and then Vestine who had another year left. So, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Becker's not going to get it done as the headliner of this show. And like Vest, like, yeah, he's got the 6, 4, 5, ERA, but he also has a 3, 6, 8, 5. The strikeouts are pretty much in line with his career norms. He's walking more guys than usual. He's giving up more home runs than usual right now, but. He's still worth more. I think this is where Michael O'Royal comes into play. Yeah, yeah.

I think Royals a pretty good fit here. And then again, I don't know what the secondary piece is. maybe it's a Brockmore. Mason Peters might be a little bit of an overpay as a secondary piece. Maybe Nikki Becker is a secondary. I don't know. I doubt the mayor is going to sell low on Nicky Becker. Maybe it's Nikki Becker and Mason Peters.

Maybe it still feels a little light. I think Vest is going to have some suitors. And then Veerling, again, there's a shortage of right-handed bats. And Veerling is a right-handed bat and a pretty good one, especially against lefties. So I think it's going to cost you a little something. I think Michael Royo has to be involved here. But I like the idea. of yourling invest, certainly.

You know, and we just talked about how everybody's throwing Teddy McGraw into trades, but nobody's thrown Nikki Becker into trades yet. So good on you for bringing a new name into the conversation. I think you're on the right track. I just think you're underpaying a little bit too much here. So I'd probably say 40. Yeah, I'm at a 40 as well. Yeah. All right, that is going to do it for our show.

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