Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Lockout Survival Guide For Mariners Fans

Episode Date: March 2, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss their stance on the cancellation of games and continued MLB-imposed lockout, then offer some positives for Mariners fans looking to get their baseball fix during the lockout and wrap up by debating where Seattle's bullpen ranks amongst the AL West.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.Rock AutoAmazing selection. Reliably low prices. All the parts your car will ever need. Visit RockAuto.com and tell them Locked On sent you.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome to Locked-on Mariners. Today is Wednesday, March 2, 2020. Thank you so much for making us your first listen of the day. I am your host, Tiding Gonzalez, joined as always by my co-host Colby Patnode. Follow us on Twitter at L-O- underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez.

us. It's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-P-A-E-T-1-B. Be sure to also check out our Patreon where we talk about the Mariners even more and also get into some non-baseball talk twice a week. Visit patreon.com forward slash control of zone for more information on that if you are interested and want more of us. And on today's episode of Lockdown Mariners, we're going to be looking at how the team's bullpen stacks up against the rest of the ALS. And in spite of the negativity, born by Major League Baseball continuing its lockout of the players and canceling games, we're going to try to be hashtag positive on here and tell you some ways to still get your baseball and Mariners fix in this downtime.

And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe. Wherever you're listening to this, we greatly appreciate it. So this is our first show since Major League Baseball and Rob Bamford, the commissioner, who don't even get me started. announced that the first two series of the season has officially been canceled now that the the league and the PA were unable to hammer out a new CBA down in Jupiter, Florida. And Locked on had basically told all the channels that we could use the press conference in our show today,

or clips of the press conference in our show today. We're not going to do that because I don't want Rob Manfred for, his voice on the show. And I don't want to give any sort of time or platform to someone who laughs on the day that he has to cancel games. Just he is incredibly insulting and destructive and toxic for this game. And everything that happened yesterday was an absolute disgrace. Let's just get it out of the way.

Let's just say what it is. It's absolutely ridiculous that we're at a point here where the last. league who imposes this lockout is the reason that we're not having baseball continues and tries to manipulate the public into thinking that this is the player's fault for the players wanting to simply get a more fair deal and a fair and a more fair cut of the revenue stream to set things up better for the future of baseball for the for future baseball players and it's just absolutely disgusting that this is the point that we're at now where we're not going to have baseball for the foreseeable future we don't know when the game is going to come back i'm still of the

belief that we are going to have a season at some point this year but when that starts i have no clue and there's only one entity to blame in this that's major league baseball that's the owners that's rob manfred that's that group that's that side of things this is not on the players You and I, we are formally making a statement here that anyone that is tuning in that may not know about us or who we're about, we are absolutely 100% unequivocally on the player's side in this and for good reason. Kind of tough to say you love baseball while actively hating the players for trying to get not even what they're what they've earned. like what they're asking for is well below what they've earned. But yeah, you know, we're not going to use this show to spread what is essentially Major League Baseball-produced propaganda. We're not going to read their press releases.

We're not going to, you know, share what Rob Manfred said. If you guys want to hear that stuff, it's not hard to find at all. You can go do it. But basically, we're not going to be a vehicle through which any misinformation is spread. that's coming from, you know, Major League Baseball, as was proven pretty much to be every single thing they said Sunday and Monday was just misinformation because they don't want to deal or they didn't want to deal. And it's just painfully clear that they didn't.

And this was the plan all along. So we're not here to try and sell the message that Major League Baseball wants you to believe because quite frankly it's amongst the stupidest messages I've ever heard in my life. And yeah, it's just, it's not going to happen here. So if you want the Rob Manfred stuff, again,

there's no shortage of places to find it. YouTube would be a great spot. They're probably talking about it on any other locked on show or most of them at least. So there's ways to go find it. But we're just not going to hear. And I also want to say, I also want to say,

If you seek out Rob Manfred's press conference, please also watch the press conference of the Players Association. Please hear what they have to say. Please read the tweets from the players. There have been a lot of them. Please read the story that has come out from, I honestly, I apologize. I don't remember who it came from. But it was an interview with Ross Stripling, right hand a pitcher for the Blue Jays, who gave more insight into. how the final day of these negotiations in Jupiter went.

So please check that up. Please, if you are confused about how this situation has gone down, how this has all come about, please listen to it from the player's side of things as well. Because frankly, the players have been more open. They've been more upfront about it. They haven't been vague about how this has gone down. They have been straight up.

Whereas the owners have been vague. they have been misleading. The reason why there was optimism in the first place that a deal might get done in the 11th hour was because the league had Bob Nightingale, who is notoriously been pretty owner-friendly. He's a shill for Major League Baseball and the owners. Let's just call it what it is. Sure. Let's do that. Let's do that.

Him, John Heyman, Jim Bowden, those three, it's kind of the Holy Trinity. of shills for Major League Baseball. And he was the reason why there was any optimism because he tweeted that there was progress being made, which there was progress being made. Just nowhere near enough. Nowhere near enough that anybody reasonable would have said, oh, yeah, there could be a deal done in the next, you know,

24 hours or whatever. As the players explained, they were still incredibly far apart on several key issues. Probably the three biggest issues. Yeah. Yeah. And that had never changed. There was no shift in tone as the league wanted you to think there was from the player's side.

There was none of that. There was no sense of a deal getting done that night. That night and Gail tweeted those things out. There wasn't. Because if there was, the Major League of baseball's best and final offer, quote unquote, that they gave the players yesterday would have been a lot more reasonable, would have been a lot more in, quote, unquote,

good faith, which the league has never acted in. Nope. Than it was yesterday. Yeah, the best and final offer is a joke. It's roughly, I don't know, 7% higher than where they were in their very first offer. That's not in good faith. The players have come down on literally everything.

And the owners have gone up by about, like I said, 7 to 10% max on their end. It's a joke. Major League Baseball owners do not care about you. They don't care about baseball. And I will say that in general, the reaction of the Internet, except for the troll bots that Major League Baseball is clearly bought and hired. I don't know if you saw that, but like the same exact tweet was sent out

like all within like five seconds of each other from like a thousand different accounts. So yeah. Aside from that, the direction even from, you know, like chills have been like, yeah, you understand why the players said no to that or you.

Yeah, the players should have said. There's definitely been a tone shift here. And owners again, counting on what they, the same reaction they got in 90s, before, just not going to happen. It's not the climate of today.

People are smarter. They have more information. And we're decidedly more pro-labor than we were in the early to mid-90s. So, yep, it's all blown up spectacularly in their face. And unfortunately, we're the ones that have to take the shrapnel because that's just the way society is set up for us. So, hooray. The reason why you don't have baseball, the reason. reason why the Mariners are not going to open the season later this month against the

Tigers, the reason why they're not going to have their subsequent second series against the Angels at home. It's not because of the players. It's because of the owners. It's because of the league. They never came to the table with a legitimate offer. And interestingly, they have shown a willingness, however, to move off of some of the things that they said that they had no willingness to move off. So the players are right in making this stance and standing their ground and waiting this thing out as they should. Because this is what's better for the future of the game.

While it sucks right now, this, if the players are able to eventually work out a deal that better benefits them, this ultimately benefits the game at the end of the day. It's better for the game. it's better for the players coming up in the future. What else can we do during this time when there is no Mariners baseball,

when the team that we all love and follow is not playing? We're going to be going over that in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder, this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by betonline.net. Football might be over this season, but basketball is in full steam for both pro and college hoops. And from all the latest odds, totals, player performance props to where the next fire coach is going to land, betonline.net is the number one spot for all your sports betting needs. Betonline remains the best spot for all your sports scores, podcasts, and news this season.

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while the season is locked out while the players are being locked out by the owners. What can we do until opening day eventually, hopefully comes around? Well, thankfully, we still have minor league baseball. It's going to be happening. Opening day for AAA is on April 5th. And unfortunately, we will not be able to see guys like Julio Rodriguez and Alberto Rodriguez Matt Brash because they're a part of the 40-man roster for the Mariners. So technically they're a part of the Players Association and therefore locked out by the owners,

but there's still plenty of exciting prospects on the Mariners Farm that will be playing next month, and they're already in spring training right now getting ready for the season. So we're talking about guys like George Kirby and Brandon Williamson and Emerson Hancock and Harry Ford, Noelvi-Martee. A lot of guys. The rest of minor league baseball, their opening day is April 8th. And you can watch all of those games via MLB.com. TV. So that's one way to get a mariner's, to get your mariners fix to watch, you know, the best

farm in all of baseball, at least considered by, considered to be so by baseball America. Colby, there's also another way that people can get their mariners fix and prepare for the draft, to prepare for the bolstering of this great farm system even further. I know you have been watching some college baseball. and you have some guys that you like ahead for the draft. Who were some of those guys and who are some teams that our listener here can check out over the next couple months? Yeah, well, you know, the early returns on this draft is that it's actually pretty, pretty solid on college infielders. And high school prep arms seems to be where a lot of the depth and the talent is in this particular class.

also a pretty good class for college catchers, which is pretty nice when you look at the Mariners current system. They're not going to draft for need, but when you look at college catchers, you're talking about like Kevin Parada of Georgia Tech, who might be a first baseman, but still a shot that he could stick at catcher.

He can really hit. Logan Tanner, Mississippi State is a very good catcher. Daniel Susack of Arizona is a very interesting catching prospect. there are quite a few guys. Hayden Don Hurst from Mississippi, you know, it's just,

it's a pretty good class for catchers and short stops slash second baseman, which is nice for the, for the Mariners, if they choose to go that route. If you're looking for teams, I would recommend trying to watch as much Arkansas, Arkansas racerbacks baseball as you can get.

Robert Moore is probably going to be a first-round pick. he's a second baseman. You look at you look at Peyton Pellett, he's a right-handed pitcher, probably a second rounder, but could make some sense of 21 if he pitch as well.

So Cicaden Wallace, who's their third baseman. Arkansas is pretty loaded up. Vanderbilt is always a really good spot. A lot of great baseball players come from Vanderbilt. Carter Young is an interesting name. He's actually from Washington. He's from Sela Washington.

He's their shortstop. He's right now projected to go around somewhere between 20 and 40, which would put him right in the Mariners range. So that's something they could do as well. Florida State has a pair of lefties that are interesting. Bryce Hubert and Parker Messick. They probably second rounders right now. But there is certainly room for them to kind of jump up into the lake. first and if you're the Mariners, those are guys that maybe you save some money on.

So yeah, it's like I said, it's a pretty good class. Most of the talent, again, it's in the SEC, which not that surprising. But, yeah, Texas, Florida schools, they're going to have a lot of the talent. That's just the way it works. Mississippi State is a really fun team to watch. Logan Tanner, as I mentioned already, the catcher and Landon Sims. That might be the best battery in the country.

Those are two guys who are probably going in the top 20. So not a great chance they slide to Seattle, but a non-zero chance. So a lot of really good baseball going on. There's even some pretty good quality baseball happening in the Pack 12. you know, Susick is from Arizona. Dylan Beavers is from California.

Well, he plays for California. You know, Brock Jones is probably a top ten pick as of right now. He's in, he's at Stanford. There's a lot of really good, you know, teams to watch. There's a lot of really fun prospects to watch. And heck, even if you want to go all the way down to the high school ranks, Ian, he and Richie Jr., in Bainbridge is, fascinating. He's probably going to be a first round pick. He's committed to UCLA, which is a great school.

He would make a lot of sense for the Mariners at 21 if he even gets there. So it's actually a really good class in terms of, you know, catchers and short stops and pitchers. There's quite a bit of talent even in the Pacific Northwest or the Northwest area. In general, out in the Pack 12, there's a lot of guys with local ties in this draft. like it's it's a pretty fun year to start paying attention to college baseball and in the draft while we wait for the uh the situation to work itself out and i'd be remiss not to mention nc state and yeah tommy tanks not draft eligible but yes not draft eligible of course he's a freshman which makes the year that he's having even all the more incredible the dude just hits bombs over and over and over again. I think he's at 10 now.

And then obviously you got your boy Luis Ramirez. Yeah. Tell the folks about Luis Ramirez. You know, 95 to 98 with a sinker that looks a lot like Sandy Alcantra's sinker. Like it's a hard sinker. It's a dirty sinker. It shows a pretty good slider in his first start through a ton of strikes. actually went toe to toe with Landon Sims, who I mentioned earlier.

And, you know, straight out outpitched him. Like it was insane to watch. He's a guy right now who has some helium, certainly. And if he's going to sit 95 to 98 the rest of the year, he has a shot to be a kind of a first round pick, a late first round pick. But I think he's probably going to end up settling, depending on how the rest of his year goes probably in the second third round would be my guess um but again if he continues to pitch like he did uh in his first start and or even if he just shows the same stuff consistently over the

year he's going to be a very interesting name to look at um when you get to the uh when you get into the 20s range i think is where he starts to uh to have a market but again as of right now he's probably a third round picks though All right. So whenever this season gets started, the Mariners are going to have a pretty good bullpen, we think. We're going to talk about how it stacks up against the rest of the division, the AAL West, in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bill. This is the time of year that I've pretty much given up on all of my New Year's resolutions, that is.

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Fantastic find by Jerry Depoto. Drew Steckamrider. Fantastic find by Jerry DePoto. Casey Sadler, another fantastic find by Jerry DePoto. Diego Castillo was acquired at the trade deadline. They got Ken Giles coming back from Tommy John surgery. They signed him last off season with the intention of him helping out in 2022. They just signed Andreas Munoz who can throw in the triple digits to an extension.

They got Yohan Ramirez. They got Eric Swanson. They got a lot of interesting guys in this bullpen, which ranked near the top of the league last year in efficiency. So where do they rank in the AOS? Are they the best? They are, and I'm not sure it's close. You look at the American League West bullpins.

Texas is a joke because it's incomplete. Oakland's is bad, and it's probably going to get worse. So those two are out. They're bad bullpins, at least on paper. And again, the obvious caveat is that we're handicapping bullpins, which is basically possible. Most volatile position group. in all of baseball.

Yeah, like it's basically impossible to do this. But based on what we have right now, you know, the rosters that we have right now, I would say that Seattle's is the best and it's not, it's not close. Yeah. You just look at not only at the top end guys, but you look at the depth. You look at, you know, for example, Houston's bullpen, right? Ryan Presley might be the best reliever in the division. If you want to do, say that, I'm not going to.

argue with you fine. Sure. But what is? Hector Nairus, solid. Solid, right. And then Ryan Stanick, pretty good. And then. Phil Matin.

Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. So they're four deep. The Mariners might be seven, eight deep. And we're not even talking about guys like Matt Brash, Brandon Williamson, who might have to be in the bullpen to find their way to the big

leagues this year. So yeah Things are I say things are looking really good for the Mariners bullpen You look at the A's bowlpin are the Angels bullpen It's basically Rizzoa Glacius And then a whole lot of questions 18 million dollar believer by the way

Which is more than the Mariners Which I think is twice as much as the Mariners bullpen Entirely See that's I wonder why the Angels Yeah, because like Castillo and Giles, those are the only guys actually making money, right? Second riders are two. Second riders are up to, but it's probably going to be like $2 million most.

So, yeah, I think the Mariners are spending about $9 million on their bullpen this year. So, yeah, you wonder why the angels can't win. It's because they do stupid things, like spend $18 million on the bullpen for one guy and then try to fill in the gap. So, yeah, it's not close. And honestly, this might be the biggest, this might be the biggest gap between number one and number two in any of the position breakdowns we do here.

I think the gap is sizable between the Mariners bullpen and the Astros bullpen. And it has, again, it has more to do with just the depth and the quality of the Mariners relief, relief core. And I'm even baking in, you know, regression for Sadler, C-Walds, second rider. Yeah. And that's what I was going to say as well here is that even if they do regress, I still don't think it's close because they have so many fail safes.

There's so many other exciting arms here. You know, like Ken Giles being possibly the fifth guy in this bullpen, that's ridiculous. Even though that I don't think that we're going to get the, you know, we're not going to get prime Ken Giles. And we talked about this on Monday. Someone, uh, Jake Kwa asked us about how we feel. I feel Giles is going to bounce back from his from his injury. But like the fact that he's still like you have Ken Giles as your fifth guy behind Diego Castillo and Paul Seawall and Drew Steckinrider and Casey Sadler.

Like that's just absolutely ridiculous. And you have someone that has such a high ceiling like Andres Munoz and Johan Ramirez seems to have figured some things out as well. Like that's a lot of fun. Talk about Johann Ramirez. I know you love Johan. how can he take that next step? How could he be a bigger part of this bullpen? She's got to throw a few more strikes.

He took huge strides last year. And the stuff is, Yohan Ramirez might have the best stuff in the Mariners bullpen. And again, you look at the Mariners bullpen and the stuff that they can throw at you out of that bullpen. That's really saying something. Johan would be the second best reliever right now in the Angels bullpen.

and he would be the best reliever in either the Rangers or the A's bullpen right now. And that's even accounting for how raw he is. But yeah, he says to throw a few more strikes. Like I said, he took huge strides. He went from a 21% walk rate to a 10.5% walk rate. 10.5 is still above league average. So you want him to be closer to that ideally 7 to 8. But even at 10 and a half, you know, a strikeout rate was, you know, 30.

30.7%. The stuff is nasty. He just has to throw more strikes, be a little bit more consistent. We even saw the Mariners use him in high leverage situations last year, and he was very good. So, like I said,

the fact that Johan is like battling for a, for a roster spot in this bullpen come opening day, that tells a lot about how deep this team is. You know, Eric Swanson

showed a lot last year too. And again, we're not even talking about, Matt Brash who yeah I mean he has the stuff to be a high leverage reliever and one of the better ones right now and we're not even talking about him yet because he's going to be a starter

at least to start the year so yeah the Mariners bullpen is it's anybody who tells you the Mariners don't have the best bullpen in the American League West they're lying or they're projecting way beyond what's reasonable but again keep up you're asking who's the best right now who is going to be the best like at the end of the air. I don't know. Bullpins are that volatile. Yeah. But coming into the year, as everybody's bullpen sits right now, the Mariners, it's the

mariners and everybody else. Yeah. It's the Mariners, the Astros, then the Angels, then probably Oakland and then Texas. And Oakland and Texas are far behind. So let me ask you this before we hop off here. With all of this said, and obviously, you know, there's no doubting what Jerry DePoto can do an identifying relief talents, just in the minor league free agent market, etc. He's done it with Paul Seawald. He's done it with Casey Sattler. He's done it with Drew Steckinrider, et cetera.

But would you also like to see them maybe add someone, not in the $10 million, 8 million, even $6 million range, but maybe someone in the three to four major league contract range? I don't like the vagueness of that question. I would like specifics, but... Okay, so like a column, McQ type. These probably, well,

I think you would probably make more, but in a, you know, a sped up free agent period. Maybe he doesn't. Yeah, I'm definitely out of calling me Q type. Yeah.

And again, by the way, to give the angel some respect and why they're ahead of, of the, of the A's and the Rangers, Mike Myers is okay. He's pretty good.

And they did add Aaron Loop, who is interesting. interesting. Like, I bet you forgot Aaron Loop signed with them, didn't you? I did, but honestly, we could probably do a game sometime this week where it's just like, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to name a player and I'm going to tell you what team he signed with in November. And you're going to tell me whether I'm lying or I'm telling the truth. So I'd be like, Aaron, like, Aaron Loop the Angels. When I saw that Dylan Bundy sign with the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'd be like, Dylan Bundy, Minnesota twins, you'd be like, no, that's a lie. And I guess that's actually true.

We could probably do that because it's been so long since we've had a transaction of any kind. So, but yeah, it's to me it's the Mariners clear divide, Houston, Anaheim, clear divide, Oakland, Texas. Like it's sizable gaps between those tiers for me. And again, at the end of the year, could the Mariners have like the fourth best bullpen of the division, sure, it's possible. But as things sit right this second, it's the best and it's not close. Yeah. They just, they have too many options right now to be bad.

So even then, like, yeah, things can happen, but it's just when you have that many quality arms and have the potential to add more, I just don't foresee them being worse than second. maybe third. It's possible that they could be worse than the Angels and the Astros. I don't see them being worse than the A's or the Rangers really under most realistic circumstances. I mean, it's some kind of disaster where they have to sell some of their bullpen guys would be the only scenario. And even then, it's like, they're probably still going to have like, you know, they still need relievers to get through the year.

they're probably still going to have Andres Munoz and Ken Giles and, you know, Johan Ramirez. So, so yeah, it's, it's this, this might be the only area the Mariners have the lead, like, you know, in, in terms of this position breakdown. This might be the only area where the Mariners are better than every team in the division. But, you know, it's a good spot to be pretty good at, though. yeah it's it's like having an elite special teams like not just the punter and the kicker but the kicker turner it can change the tide of game so fast and i mean it was one of the main reasons that you were as good as you were last probably the biggest reason yeah yeah yeah like without the bullpen you are not a 90 win team an average bullpen for the mariners last year they're like a 78 79 win team like at best so yeah I mean, there were, like, quite literally multiple games last year where they straight up put the team on their back. Right.

I mean, well, what was the Mariners record in one run games last year? Like insane. Like 38 and 12 or some, some like that. That's also why you saw them do what they did with a negative run differential. Right? They were winning a lot of close games and losing a lot of blouts. Yeah, the Mariners went 33 and 19 in games decided by one run. Yeah.

In 2021. Yeah. Yes. And that's a complete credit to, you know, guys like Kendall Graveman and Paul Seawald and Drew Steckhamrider and eventually DeCastio and Casey Sinclair. Yeah, we barely even talked about Castillo, but think about that for a minute. The Mariners traded Kendall Graveman, who at the time was probably their best reliever, second best reliever behind Seawald. And they got better. Yeah.

Like the bullpen got better after he left. It's just that's how that's how deep it is. And the bullpen got better of this off season without any additions to it. Ken Giles. Like out. Yeah. Technically an addition, but like.

Andreas Munoz coming back. Yeah. Like that's like that that that's something. That's something. So that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on lockdown Mariners for Colby Pat note.

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