Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Logan Gilbert Off to Strong Start

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss Logan Gilbert's impressive Cactus League debut, if the Mariners' No. 5 starter should be Justus Sheffield or Matt Brash and how extensive Abraham Toro's role will be in 2022.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. It is Friday, March 25th, 2020, and this is Locked-on Mariners. Thank you so much for making us your first listen of the day. I am your host, Tadayin Gonzalez. Join as always by my co-host, Colby Patnode. Follow us on Twitter at L-O- underscore Mariners.

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I'll tell you who we prefer out of that pair. And finally, how expansive is Abraham Toro's role going to be on the 2022 Mariners? We'll be breaking that down. And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you're listening to this. We greatly appreciate it. So Logan Gilbert, as I mentioned, making his Cactus League debut yesterday against. the Guardians. Colby, what did you like from his start? Yeah, he looked really good.

Basketball was already 97, 98. He was able to spot it at the top of the zone. He got plenty of swings and misses on it. But, you know, that's what we saw from Logan Gilbert last year. And what we saw from Logan Gilbert last year was pretty good, but not a guy who was going to pitch near the top of a rotation, at least not without some changes. But yesterday he went out there, and we saw some of the changes. He had a sharp slider, looked almost like a cutter at times. It was a little bit firmer than it was last year. The radar readings were 89 to 91 on the slider, 97, 98 on the fastball.

Now, we even saw a couple really good changeups, particularly against lefties, which is a huge weapon for him. So he kind of had it all working yesterday. He threw plenty of strikes. And he appeared to have better command of the, of the breaking stuff and the off-speed stuff, particularly from the second inning on. It really looked like he was able to spot those and get plenty of swings and misses. So, you know, the stuff we saw last year from Logan Gilbert, the good stuff, was all still there.

The stuff that we wanted to see improvement on, at least in his first Cactus League start, we did see improvement on. So it was pretty exciting. And, you know, Mariners, Twitter is a buzz right now with exciting. about that start yesterday and you know obvious caveats that it's it's spring training it doesn't really matter but he looked good yeah and he looked good against a a lineup that's going to be pretty close uh to what we think is going to be the opening day lineup for the guardians as well three innings pitch for gilbert one earned run on one hit that hit was a solo shot by Daniel Johnson just he got got on that one nothing you can really do about it six

strikeouts though for gilbert and like you said using the fastball at the uh the top of the zone breaking stuff wasn't great yesterday at times you know he he wasn't really able to get uh you guys to bite on that stuff you know threw it in front of the plate a couple times it just you know it's still a little inconsistent there but you know we've talked about this right that the fact that he was able to go toe to toe with some really really really strong offensive teams last September and be able to get by with just pretty much the fastball only working for him. You know, the slider would flash.

The change up would flash at times, but it was never consistently there. It was really the only thing he had working for him was the fastball and his ability to get by to, well, not only get by, I should say, but to actually, you know, at times dominate teams with just the fastball. It's incredibly impressive. And just the idea of him adding at least some consistency with a secondary or maybe hopefully a tertiary offering is, I mean, sky's kind of a limit for him, right? Yeah, you know, I went back and I watched a start yesterday. And the first inning, yeah, he was bouncing the breaking ball a little bit.

And it was, you know, it's something we kind of joked about how that's what Logan Gilbert did. he'd throw fastball by it, then he'd bounce a slider. But again, you kind of watch as the game develops, he gets more and more comfortable with those pitches. And you can see the changes. Like I said, the slider was 89 to 91. Last year, his average slider velocity was 83.5. That's a significant.

He's throwing that pitch firmer. Like I said, at times it looks more like a cutter. But it was definitely there in the later innings. and then the change up was was pretty good. He's apparently changed up, no pun intended, his grip on the change up. He's gone to a different grip, at least that's what he's saying. He says it's in an effort to help him control it more because he just threw it last year, he just didn't have any idea where it was going, which, yeah, that seems,

that's what it looked like. So if that's a pitch that he can have against lefties, he's going to be very dangerous. and if he has the fastball, the slider and the changeup all working in one day, you know, he's a threat to throw a no hitter. He's got that type of stuff when he has all three of his pitches working. Curveball will see whether or not he shelves it or changes it. But like I said, we've already seen changes to a slider and his changeup. Logan Gilbert is a worker.

And that's the other thing that votes well for his future. This guy is as interested in learning how to pitch in mechanics. and biometrics as there comes. This guy is very impressive with his prep. He knows what he wants to do. He knows how he wants to execute. And if these new changes allow him to go out and do that more efficiently, Gilbert might be the best pitcher in the Mariners rotation.

And that includes, you know, the current reigning Cy Young Award winner. He's got that upside. And of course, Gilbert, former Stetson pitcher, working with another former Stetson pitcher this offseason. Jacob de Grom. Good guy to learn from, I would think. His other option was Corey Klobber, which Yeah. Pretty good too. Yeah. Yeah. Stetson

is able to poppins and arms. I know, man. It's crazy. I don't know what they got going on down there, but man, they're cooking down there. Quick guy. What state is Stetson in? I have no clue. Do you know? Do you know?

Um, man. It's like North Carolina or something? No, but it is in the south. It's Florida. Okay. All right. Yeah. So I had a general idea.

Yeah. The other, the, now, to be fair, the other one that I was going to say was like Vermont. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I thought you're going to be like, Louisiana or, or, you know, Georgia. No, your first two choices were North Carolina or Vermont. Yep.

Right on, dude. right on. You got it. Yeah. I, I don't know. I'm not great with the,

you know, college geography. I'm more in tune with the geometry of lineups, if you will. What were you saying? Where's the

University of Washington located? Washington, D.C. Oh, that's correct. D.C. Oh, but seriously, though,

where's can Zaka located, Ty? Mars. and also on the couch right now. Oops. Wow. Wow. You just alienated like 35% of our fan base.

I hope you're happy. No longer top 50 baseball podcasts in the country because of Ty. I hope you're happy. Yeah. Well, I had to bring us down a little bit. You know, we're riding too high of a high lately.

You know, we were getting a little full of ourselves, you know, just getting big time, too big time too quickly. You know, I had to bring us down a little bit back down. to earth. But, uh, all right, we're going to be talking about a couple of pitchers who might

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You're listening to Lockdown Mariners. Thank you again for making us your first listen of the day, just like you do here every day. And just a reminder to check out Lockdown MLB prospects. Host Lindsay Crosby is a prospect encyclopedia and he's going deep on the MLB stars of tomorrow. it's free and available wherever you get podcasts just like us. So today, John Morosi of MLB Network, reporting that the Mariners number five starter competition has come down to two names.

Justice Sheffield and Matt Brash. So, I mean, for me, personally, it's Brash all day. Sheffield, I haven't given up on Sheffield entirely. We have seen Justice Sheffield pitch well, but we know what kind of stuff that Brash offers, especially with that slider, that is just beautiful.

Do you have any reason to lean Sheffield here, Colby? Besides the fact that he's experienced and, you know, has a major league track record and, you know, has actually pitched in the last, I don't know, year. in the big leagues. No. Not really. I haven't given up on Sheffield. And he actually looked pretty good yesterday. New strikes,

there were a few sliders he got away with, but he also buried a few on the back foot of Arrida, just what you want to see from him. I think both are going to make the opening day roster, especially with the expanded rosters. I think what you're really likely to see happen is Brash probably gets the start. And then goes through the lineup once,

maybe one and a half times. and then Sheffield comes in just as a way to kind of try and preserve Brash's, you know, innings towards the end of the year and also to try and save the bullpen a little bit. I guess it really wouldn't surprise me if, you know, Sheffield got the opener spot and then Brash came in in relief. That would also work. So I guess my answer is would technically be both of them are going to be the number five starter. If that makes sense, combined. But yeah, like I said, Brassie.

Looked okay in his debut. We should see him again here next week. And Sheffield looked pretty good yesterday in his debut as well. Not pinpoint command yet, but the slider looked a little bit sharper than it was last year. He was able to bury it on the back foot. And the velocity was in a pretty good place too. So it was an encouraging outing for Sheffield. I think people maybe forget that 2020 Justice Sheffield was pretty darn good.

So should have gotten some votes on the AL rookie of the year conversation. Didn't get a single one. I didn't even pretend plays. So it was arguably he was better than Kyle Lewis. So certainly more consistent. Yeah, Sheffield's a good athlete, man. He's only 25 years old. And again, he was pretty good in 2020.

He was bad last year. Nobody's denying that. But he was pretty good in a similar amount of innings in 2020. So I'm not giving up on him either. He's definitely not a, you know, mid-rotation guy like we thought. you know, four or five gets a lot of ground balls. The sliders should be good enough to be a good out pitch for him. So I feel like there's a bounce back coming for Sheffield.

It's just probably going to be in a different role than we had envisioned a few years ago. So I think they both make the team. And I think game five, one of them will be starting. And the other one will come in and relieve him, you know, after three, four innings. And it probably makes sense for Brash to be the guy that starts, right? I mean, I don't think it matters all that much. It's, you know, they're lefty, righty. They're two different arms.

Yeah. The difference is pretty steep. But I guess, you know, it kind of depends. You know, like maybe you look at it and you say, okay, like who we playing for the fifth game of the year. Chicago, the White Sox. Okay. White Sox are kind of a right-handed heavy lineup. So let's get Brash out there, you know, the first couple innings.

And then we'll go to, you know what I mean? Like, you can look at who you're playing. and saying like, okay, do they have a better lineup against lefties or righties or is there a platoon split? I can take advantage of by starting the lefty and get this guy in there and then Sheffield only has to face him once and I can bring it back. You know what I mean? Like they can kind of mix and match it. But I would suspect that they're going to go with Brash first and then Sheffield's the reliever.

And I think if you're posing both, you know, opposite one another, I think you just you got to go with Brash. like I was saying. Just the stuff is ridiculous. You want to see what you have there, you know? Right. You also want to try and save something for later in the year. Maybe Brash is, maybe the only way you could have Brash in September is to kind of do this opener thing now.

And then maybe, I don't know, send him into AAA where you can kind of skip a start here or there, but actually let him go five, six innings. And then just bring him up in the end of the air as a reliever. You know what I mean? it's not ideal, but if you're a playoff team or you're trying to be a playoff team and Matt Brash is one of your best arms, but he's not one of your five best starters, you put him in the bullpen. It's not going to kill him to do it for a year. It doesn't mean you've given up on him either. It just, you know, this is what we have to do to maximize our pitching.

So, yeah, it's a little bit of a tight rope act here with guys like Brash and Kirby. So I'll be interested to see how service and, you know, the baseball ops people handle those work. loads. Well, and ultimately, you know, you're just trying to survive right now until you can get to a point where you can actually trade for that first, you know, for that starter that you were hoping to get before the season started, which from everything we've been told is just that it's not going to work out right now. If you guys heard of the prices that we have heard. Oh, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not. The asking price on on some guys is astronomical for rentals. Absolutely ridiculous. and yeah, the Mariners are, let's say, justified to be doing what they're doing right now, I would say, just considering what is being asked of them for guys who are, you know, obviously Jerry DePoto has talked about adding someone that's equal to Robbie Ray. We're not even talking about guys that are in that range. We're talking about mid-rotation starters at best with an ask of like legitimate talent,

not guys that are going to be in your 10 to 15 range of your prospect list, the guys that are closer to 5 than 10. Multiple top 10 guys. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough out there right now. Yeah. And I would say that there is a pretty good reason why Frankie Montas and

Shaunae have not found homes in general. Yep. Yeah. it's it's yeah Oakland Oakland is uh in particular having a they're they're they're having an interesting approach to uh to the situation which I don't know how do you feel about that um without getting into specifics well more so Oakland's side of things in terms of holding on to Mania and Montas into the season I think it's dumb um does that limit the the return that they're eventually going to get on someone like Manaya who only has a year last?

Absolutely, Mania, because every start Mania makes for the Oakland is one that he's not making for Kansas City or Minnesota or Seattle or whoever, right? And so every time he makes a start, the price goes down a little bit, and then what if he gets hurt and you get nothing for him? Like there's no qualifying offer anymore.

Well, I mean, there could be, but see if they get an international draft thing figured out. but as of right now, you know, there's not a qualifying offer. And even if there is, if you're Sean Manaya, like, if Oakland's going to slap a $20 million qualifier on you, you're probably going to take it. Oakland's not going to want to pay that. So we'll trade you then.

Like, they're not in a position to have much leverage with Manaya. And it's only going to get worse because what if, like, the Mariners, what if Brash is really good? And also, oh, well, I guess we don't need Mania. And then all of a sudden, well, there's one less bitter for Mania. or Montes or whoever. Well, fewer teams interested, price goes down.

It's really dumb with the one year guys. Montas, I get kind of, but it's still the same thing. Two years of Frankie Montas is better than one year and four months. You know what I mean? So just dumb.

Like, you're not going anywhere. You're not resigning either of these guys. We know that. Neither of them are going to be around when you're any good again. We know that. So come back to react. and start trying to make trades that that makes sense.

Because you're not getting better before opening day. Like, you know what I mean? Like you're not going to get a better offer than you're going to get before opening day. At least not on Mania. Maybe Montessi goes out there and he's really, really good. But probably not. Yeah. I mean, it's just it feels like you're wasting a way of value shooting just astronomically high

and hoping someone is stupid enough to pay that figure. like it's just no one's doing that which evidently no one is in fact doing that right now shamanai is still an a so is frankie monsas and uh yeah you know if i'm the a's trading minaya right now is at the top of my list like you kind of have to do that now because like you said because again you know starting pitchers even though they're so valuable they only impact your team, you know, individually, especially if you're getting them at the trade deadline for what, 10 games? Yeah, at most. Like that isn't worth a lot when we're talking about rentals here.

So, yeah, I'm not trading that ton for 10 games of Shamanaya, 10 starts of Shamanaya. So if they're going to hold on to them until July, which that probably isn't the case. I would assume that something happens. And we've talked that we talked about the fact that there's probably going to be more trades in May and June because of the lasting effects of the lockout and how teams, you know, there hasn't been a ton of urgency to get things done coming out of the lockout. Not in the way that we thought, right? There wasn't a huge lightning round of a day for free agency, really. like there was a couple days where there was some big moves that happened consecutively but nothing that you know rivaled that of like the first day of NFL free agency or NBA free agency or whatever

we were kind of expecting a blitz of some kind and that never really came and same thing with the trade market the trade market aside from a couple deals here and there has been kind of dry it's it's been weird but I would assume that that what that means is that this is going to you know these discussions that teams have had are just going to leak into the regular season, kind of how, you know, arbitration cases are leaking into the regular season as well. And this is just something that's just going to have to be handled, you know, as games are being played. It's really interesting. It's going to be really interesting to see how it all plays out.

So let's talk about Abraham Toro. How expansive is his role going to be this year? It's kind of a little bit of a question. mark. How are they going to use them? How much are they going to use them? We're going to be discussing that just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bet Online. It's that time of year again as college basketball's tournament is finally upon us. From all the latest odds, contests and player props, betonline.net is the number one source for all your sports betting needs and info. Bet Online remains the best spot for all your sports scores, podcasts, and news this season. And it's not just basketball.

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You know, Toro is, look, he was really bad in September. But I think people forget how good he was, you know, from, you know, even before he became, even before he came to the Mariners. And, I mean, you kind of look at what he did last year and half a season worth of that bad. He accumulated a 1.6 B war, and that's also playing out of position. You know, he's playing a lot of second base there at the end of the year. And, well, he wasn't good there. He definitely got better, right? I mean, there's no doubt about that.

He was better at the end of the year than he was at the beginning at second base. You get him for five years as well. So, I mean, you kind of look at it and you say, okay, look, Toro was pretty bad in September, but he was really good from June until about, September 1. And he spent a large portion of that time hitting around 270.

So I feel like the September struggles have really kind of allowed Mariners fans to kind of forget just how good Toro was for a long stretch of last season. He's a good hitter. He puts the bat on the ball,

right? He doesn't swing out of the zone all that much. He takes walks. He feels here's a comment for you. He's a poor man's Luis Arise. Sure. Last year, by the way, from June 17th,

which is when he was recalled after a brief seven-game stint in April, June 17th until September 10th with Houston and Seattle, Abraham Toro hit 280, 355-44. That's really good. Especially in this era where hitting 280 is basically like,

getting 310 in the 90s. Like it's, it's really good. So, and Toro continues to look very comfortable at the plate this year. He's hitting, you know, you know, he's been the best hitter in the Cactus League for the Mariners, which doesn't mean much. But you just watch his approach and you kind of remember where,

where he was before the last three weeks of last year. I mean, 280, 355, 444, that's a really good leadoff hitter. That's a really good number two. I mean, that, that's a guy who hits at the top of your lineup. not the bottom. And it just kind of feels that this year people are like, oh, yeah, Toro, just whatever. And just no, no, no. Again, the guy was worth basically, was on pace to be worth basically three wins,

spending half of his time playing out of position at second base. And by all accounts, he's a pretty good third baseman above average arm. He's better than Seeger at third base defensively. So, yeah, I, I, Abraham Toro might be a two-win guy just sitting on your bench. collecting 400 plate appearances, which I think is the goal for this year. They said they're going to try and get him some time in left field. That hasn't happened yet.

So we'll see if they still want to do that. But yeah, Toro's overlooked on this team. And he's a pretty important bat too. Yeah. And from the glove perspective as well, right? You mentioned it. Good arm. You know, good athleticism, as we know.

And that kind of brings me to my next question here is do you get to a point where, you know, and Eugenio Suarez hasn't looked great at third baseman? I think we would consider him fringe average right now. Would you D.H. Suarez and put Toro at third on a fairly regular basis? Not yet. Just because Suarez, as bad as it was last year, uh, offensively still had 31 home runs.

and this team needs power in their lineup. Toro, that's kind of the one thing that's not present in his game. There's not a ton of power. There's some. I mean, he's not Billy Hamilton up there. But, you know, it's probably tops out at, what, 20 home run power, which is fine. Not great for a third baseman, right? So it's, I wouldn't do that yet, you know, talk to me again in May on that side.

But I do think that Toro needs to play. play, you know, third base two, three times a week. I'll probably play second base a little, even. And he will DH. Like, I think Toro is probably going to average about four starts a week. Suarez is probably going to average five. That would be my guess. And the issue would just sticking Suarez at DH, for example,

is that, well, now you have to play Winker and Hanager at the same time. Or you're benching one of them for Kelnick, or you're benching Kelnick, right? Or you're not going to get to Teren's. So I don't think the difference is so vast that, you know, D-Hing Suarez makes a lot of sense right now. Not, not regularly, at least. It could very soon. But as of right now, no, I think you just kind of, you know, Suarez gets a couple days off. Toro, maybe Suarez D.H is once a week.

And that's when you against the lefty maybe and Toro plays third. And then you just bench, Winker and Turenz is the DH. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. There are different ways you can work this. But as of right now, no, I'm not interested in making Suarez my de facto full-time DH because I need that spot to use that spot on Winker and Hanager and Torrens. I need that DH spot to be relatively open on a nightly basis.

So I'm not willing to do that quite yet. It's exciting, though, man, because like you're getting Toro for full season. You only had them for, you know, the last couple months of year last year. and he really helped you. Obviously, you know, we've acknowledged September and how poorly that went for him. But aside from that,

he was one of your best players, undoubtedly. And, yeah, to have, hopefully have a full season of that, that's, that's really exciting,

especially, you know, for him too, because he's going to have a better chance to play here than he would have in Houston. Now, considering that they've lost Carlos Carraya,

you know, it seems like Houston, probably could have used a Abraham Toro on their roster at this point. Yeah, but by the way, real fast on that. Like, I know you're not trying to make this point, but the Mariners are probably in a position this year where they have to, where they're going to make a similar trade, where they're going to trade a guy who you're like, wow, that guy would have been a nice little player for a couple years and you traded them for a, you know, a reliever who might leave at the end of the year. those type of trades are trades that contenders have to make. And, you know, Houston, what they got to the World Series, right, ALCS? Does they get to the World Series?

Yeah, they lost to Atlanta. Yeah, they lost to Atlanta. I couldn't remember who lost to Atlanta one. But, yeah, so Kendall Graven helped them get to the World Series more than Abraham Toro would have. So it's a good trade. You know what I mean? It's just, it's one of those things like the Mariners are beneficiaries of the Astros position that they were in last year.

But what we really want is we want the Mariners to be in the Astros position where they're trading, I don't, you know, pick a, Abraham Toro. Yeah, I mean, it might be Abraham Toro. Like, maybe the mayors have to trade Abraham Toro this year and they go get a reliever or a starting pitcher. Maybe it's like, I don't, just as an example, maybe it's Toro for Sean Maniah. And you're like, ooh, that's not great.

But if Manaya pitches well and he gets you to the ALCS or whatever, is it worth it? Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? So not to give Houston credit on anything because screw those guys. But yeah, that's a trade that Mariners fans are probably going to have to see from the other side, hopefully this year, but almost certainly by next year. But for now, yay. Let me ask you this real fast.

I know we got to run. But I want to. on a scale of 1 to 10 or 2080 if you prefer how shocked would you be if Abraham Toro ran a better slash line this year than Adam Frazier 45 yeah it's you know they're kind of similar players at the plate yeah so I mean and I certainly think that Toro has more power so I mean Frazier's got the glove and the track record. So he's going to play more.

But it wouldn't shock me if by the end of the year, Toro and Frazier are either in a true time share or their roles have swapped where Frazier is the guy you're trying to, okay, let's see if we can get him in the lineup three or four times. You know what I mean? And Toro is the one who's playing six, seven times a week.

You know what I mean? I would not be surprised by that. Yeah. I'm not predicting it. I just wouldn't be surprised by it. I think he's got a pretty high ceiling. and floor combination, you know. I feel like Toro's gonna hit at least 240

with league average on base. Like, I feel like that's who he is, at least. Yeah, I think that's kind of a given, right? Like, I don't see him just absolutely bombing this year. Yeah, I doubt it. Like I said, with consistent playing time. Sure. Right? Because like every time that he struggled at the major league level,

he was playing, what, once or twice a week, maybe, if that? Yeah. And so, you know, you got to think that he's at least going to play three. to four times, maybe even five times a week for the Mariners this year. And that could include, you know, subbing in late into games and what have you. But I think we're going to see a lot of him playing a bunch of different roles. We'll see him DH some. We'll see him at second base.

We'll see him in third. He'll probably be playing second when, you know, Adam Fraser needs a breather or he goes into left field. Because I expect that to happen to some degree. even if Julio makes the opening day roster. But yeah, I think we're going to see a lot of Abraham Toro. And I think because of that, partly having that consistency of being on the field, that's going to lead to some great success for him and help him get into a rhythm, which he needs.

He sorely lacked that up until coming to Seattle. So then we saw how that benefited him. when he came over. So that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners. For Colby Pat, note, I'm Taday Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L-O-U-U-N-Rourners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez. That's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-A-E-T-1-1. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode.

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