Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag: How Feasible Is Another 90-Win Season For the Mariners?

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

It's time for another edition of Mariners Mailbag Monday! On today's show, Colby and Ty answer your questions sent via email and Twitter! Topics covered include: how the Mariners value relievers, whether or not the Mariners should trade Logan Gilbert or Bryan Woo for a bat, and how many more innings Woo has in 2023. All that answered and more on the show!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11eBay MotorsFor parts that fit, head to eBay Motors and look for the green check. Stay in the game with eBay Guaranteed Fit. eBay Motors dot com. Let’s ride. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What should the Mariners do with Colton Wong? Could they trade Logan Gilbert this summer? And should Scott's service utilize his bench more? All that and more coming up here on mailbag Monday. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day.

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who is currently sitting at 35 and 35. The M's only need to play at a full season, 97 win pace the rest of the year in order to finish with 90 wins. with the offense heating up, Wu and Miller back on track, and deadline moves yet to be made. What reason is there not to think the Ms are going to win 90 plus

for a third straight year? So you said it right there, you mentioned it, the deadline. That's what's going to determine all of this, really, because the mirrors undeniably have holes, even if they go on a run here. They have holes that they need to address,

specifically on the offensive side of things. But as we said yesterday, if they're going to get on a run, they need to do it now because how they perform over the next three to four weeks is going to determine how aggressive or not the Mariners get at the trade deadline, how aggressive they get to fill their needs.

They need to be incentivized. Justin Hollander, Jerry DePoto, company, they have to be incentivized to get aggressive at the deadline. and the only way to do that is by winning some games and saying, hey, the wild card is feasible, and maybe the division is still feasible as well. So again, you got to get on a run here. You've won five of your last eight. You got a very, very important road trip coming up here.

If you can somehow just make it out of this 500 or somehow win, you know, four of six, to be on a pretty good track to get on a little bit of a heater here going into the all-star break because you got the nationals coming up. You got the race coming up for still the best team in baseball, but haven't been playing as well as of late. Got the Astros who are really struggling right now without Yordon Alvarez.

And you got a Giants team that's winning, but is really banged up as well. So you can bank some wins here, but again, this all falls on the shoulders of the meres. They have to execute. But this is crunch time now. We are at the point now where it is crunch time and every single game from here until the end of the end of July will truly determine how the rest of their season will go.

So can they do it? Yes, they absolutely can. But they got a lot of work ahead of them. Right. And every day that they don't get on this 97 win pace is one more day that the pace has to be even better. And the 97 win pace is not easy, even for 97 win teams. That's why there's usually only one team that wins 100 games. every year maybe two um so yeah it's not that they only have to be on a 97 win pace to get to

90 that that's that's a sustained run over you know what is i think 92 games left um you got to you know you got to pedal to the medal here you got to be 18 games over 500 the rest of the way out to get to 90 um and that starts by winning these games and putting yourself in a position where maybe it's not necessarily going out and getting louise cast deal at the deadline. But you need to be in a position where a deal like that makes sense to this club because if you're just hovering around 500, it doesn't matter how nicely the August schedule lays out for you.

And it does. If you can't get to a point where you can make hay in August, because the rest of June and July is so mediocre that the club decides not to buy or not to buy aggressively, it's not going to make a difference. So, yeah, you know, I think, I think, it's definitely possible they can get to 97. I wouldn't, or to get to 90 wins, I wouldn't be shocked.

But it's got to start now because you're running out of time. Eventually, you're going to get to a point where you're going to need the ridiculously long win streak to get to 90. And that's just not something you can count on. Right now, you're at a point where you win seven out of 10 a couple times throughout this this year. And then you go, you know, six out of four, or six out of ten a couple times. Then you're going to probably get to 90.

if you're just 500 the rest of the way. But if you're going into July 28th and you're still, you know, I don't know how many games that would be at that point. If you're 50 and 50 on July 28th or whatever, now you're talking about needing to go on 110 win pace to, you know, get to 90 wins. So yeah, they could still do it. They certainly can, but they got to start like now. And they had to start like last week.

And they did. They went four and two, which is good. Now they have a tough road trip. And they got to find a way to at least hold their ground. on this tough road trip before they get back home to face a pretty bad nationals team. But yeah, the time is now. You have to start this now. That doesn't mean that every loss is an indictment on their ability to do it.

But every loss is obviously one fewer opportunity to get to 90. And I think you're going to have to get to 90 to even think about the playoffs. So they got to start getting to work right now. Yeah, it just makes the pace that much greater with every loss. And it also potentially inhibits your ability to, go out and get better or to justify going out and getting aggressive to get better. Yeah. So next question here.

Again, we're going to do our other email question a little bit later on in the show. Let's switch things up here and go to Twitter and check in with Mark, who asked, since Wu and Miller are going well, would you consider trading Logan Gilbert for the right controllable bat? The answer is no. Because like Wu, you mentioned him here. he's on a pitch count he's going to get shut down at some point we know that for a fact depending on the health of marco gonzalez if i'm also trading logan gilbert i potentially

have to address two holes in the rotation and that also makes bryce miller all the more likely to start a playoff game for me if that's actually something that factors in which i don't know if that factors in without logan gilbert in the mix no there's no bat that you're going to go get in the middle of this year that is going to justify trading Logan Gilbert. And, you know, there's a couple of reasons why Gilbert's better than his last few outings. And, you know, maybe Mark's not consciously doing this. But I think there is some concern over Gilbert's last couple of outings that, oh, you might not be that good. Maybe we should trade him. That's not how that works, right? Really good pitchers can have a bad three-week stretch. Luis Castillo had a bad four

or five-star stretch. I didn't hear anybody trying to trade him. So, So, you know, whether that's what Mark's doing or not, I don't know. But I do know there are people out there who are thinking like that. And it just doesn't make sense. By the way, you realize Wu is only two innings away from setting a new career high. That's it, just two. So this idea that, well, you have Wu who can get through the rest of this year, no, he cannot. Wu's probably got another 50 innings in him, which conservatively is eight to 10 starts at most, which gets you to August if you're lucky.

that's not going to work. Now you have to go out and you have to get another pitcher and we know how expensive pitching is. And again, for the right controllable bat, the right controllable bat does not exist on this on this trade market.

It's not going to happen. Because like even if you think like hypothetical, let's say it's Jonathan India, right? No, you didn't get better. That's a net neutral at best. And you probably got worse because like you said, you don't have the pitching depth to back up Logan Gilbert right now.

And that guy is not. Emerson Hancock. All right. Logan Gilbert is steak. Emerson Hancock is baloney. Like they're both meat, but one of them is legitimately good. And the other one is just kind of filler. It's just kind of there.

And that's what Emerson Hancock is right now. You cannot rely on Emerson Hancock to be anything this year or next year, for that matter. So you can't build around the idea that Hancock might be good. It's just not, it's not feasible. So, no, I'm not trading Logan Gilbert. I'm not trading I'm not trading George Kirby I'm not trading Bryce Miller

I might trade Brian Wu but even that probably not so no it's it's not a good idea to trade Gilbert because you're not getting Ronald Acuna right you're not getting I mean you're not getting a star

you're not getting Ozzy Albies for Gilbert would you even want to trade Gilbert for Ozzy Albies no probably not Yeah, like Luis Robert was a name that came to mine. I just, that's, that's not going to happen. Look, if Robbie Ray was healthy and good, I could maybe wrap my head around this a little easier, but that's still a season trade.

Even then, even then, you know, there's a lot of reliance on Bryce Miller, a lot of reliance on Marco Gonzalez or whoever you get for that fifth spot, whether that's Emerson Hancock or some trade out there, whatever. There's a lot of variables here where maybe it makes sense on paper, but that's too convoluted for us to hammer out right now. No. And frankly, it's not realistic. That's not happening.

It's not happening. Plus, if you wanted to trade Logan Gilbert for three years of a 60 grade bat, wouldn't it make more sense to just go get a 55? grade bat who's a rental and only give up Jonathan Clase and then go out and get that 60 grade bat this winter. You know what I mean? Like it's just not the best allocation of resources. Yeah, this wasn't the only

question asking about trading Gilbert by the way. The answer's no. And I do really feel you touched upon this. I do really feel like this is kind of pressing the panic button on his last couple of starts. I know they haven't been particularly good, But Gilbert overall this year has shown some things. He's taken the next step.

We've talked about this on the show. We talked about this, I don't know, a week or two ago, that he has taken that next step in several different ways. And I just, I'm not sure if I just want to, you know,

ball that up and throw it in the trash, which you're not necessarily doing here because like the idea at face value is trading, you know, him for like a legitimate good bat. I just don't think that guy, exists right now. Yep.

But I just don't know if you disregard that or discard that because of two bad starts recently. At the end of the day, Logan Gilbert is worth more than the Logan Gilbert equivalent because starting pitching, good starting pitching is significantly harder to find. Yeah.

And it's significantly more expensive to buy. Yeah. Yeah. That's a very good point. All right. So we got a few more questions here coming up in just a moment, but first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marrness podcast is brought to you by eBay Motors. For a championship team, it's all about making sure every

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Monday. Mariners and Yankees start tomorrow. Yankee Stadium you catch all the action on the Mara's hometown broadcast series XM via the SXM app let's get back into these questions here got Darren McCack and enjoyer gee I wonder what he's going to end this question with how does one trade bullpen arms what makes a team like the M's trade someone like a Justin Topa versus someone like I don't know a Paul Seawald does team control have anything to do with it or what makes a team more comfortable trading bullpen arms also we love darren macaquin and as always no you love darren mccacken now all right to answer the question um i mean there's there's a lot of factors right it depends on on where you are where you want to be next year um

depends on you know club control like you mentioned of course you know like this year for example the Mariners are probably more likely to trade someone like Trevor Gott, who has a year left as opposed to Paul Seawald. It also depends on the value of those guys. Can you get a ridiculous, Eraldus Chapman type offer for Paul Seawald? Like, can you get Glaber Torres, you know, like that equivalent for Paul Seawald? If so, then, yeah, you definitely consider that. But if not, and if you're planning on contending next year, you need good bullpen arms. if you think Paul Seawald helps you next year

more than whatever you're getting offered, then you stick with Paul Seawald. So, yeah. We'll say this. Club control matters less for relievers than any other position in trade talks, and it's not remotely close. Because, yeah, it's nice if Paul Seawald has,

you know, an extra year of club control. That's certainly a bonus. But ultimately, if Seawald was only a rental, okay, I'll either re-sign them this winter. I'll just go get another guy out of free agency. There's a ton of relievers that are always available every free agency. So I'll just go get a guy to replace them, right? So club control, a lot of times these relievers, they don't even see their full six years.

They get non-tendered after year four or five because they start to get expensive. So club control when it comes to relievers, overrated. It's just we kind of assume that it's like that because it's the same with starters and bats, but it's just not really true with relievers. But in terms of like why would the Mariners trade Topa versus why would they trade Seawald, which one do they like better? Which one do they think is more sustainable? Which one do they think is going to be better for the longer period of time?

Which one do they think they can help the most? That's really what it comes down to. That's when the Mariners look for these bullpen arms in the first place. They look for, they try to identify something that they can do to help that pitcher reach their max. for Seawald, it was the fastball. It was throwing the fastball up in the zone. Throw that pitch more and put it up in the zone instead of down at the knees like the Mets were telling you to do.

That's been well documented. They do it with Topa. They do it with Spire. They did it countless other times. Austin Adams, even if you want to go way back. So they're good at that. So what the Mariners are looking for if they were to trade a reliever, they're probably looking for the guy that they think they can replace the easiest that has the skill set that they

think is easier. And if the, unless one guy's, you know, getting offered way more than the other guy, then they're probably just going to look at say, okay, well, what skill set do we think we have a better chance of replicating? And that's how they'll make that decision. So, yeah, just about you got to trust your analytics people. You got to trust your pitching coaches. And you got to try and figure out which one of these skill sets do we value more, which

player do we think we can help more? and then you consider the cost of, well, what are we getting in return for these players? So it's a little more complicated than just club control. Yeah, track record, repeatability, market value, all of these things factor in into that discussion. And again, it does really matter where you are and where you think you're going to be next year as well

when you're weighing, you know, how you personally value these players to your ball club as well. So there's a lot of factors. There isn't really one, you know, particular rhyme or reason for it. It's different for every team and every situation. I mean, you just go back to the famous reliever trade, right?

Kendall Graveman, two months of Kendall Graveman, cost the Astros four and a half years of Abraham Toro and Joe Smith, whereas the Mariners were able to go out and get Diego Castillo for prospects. Right. Well, and J.T. Chirquah. So it just kind of just kind of depends on the team, and it depends on the pitcher, And it depends on where each team is in the standings.

Because if you're thinking about winning the World Series, you're going to pay more for two months of Paul Seawald. If Seawalt didn't have club control, which he does, you're going to pay more for that guy than you are Topa, just because you just want the better pitch your period. And Seawald's better than Topa right now. Next question here comes from Max. What are the Mariners going to do with Colton Wong?

Not playing him for like 10 days and then giving him a random spot isn't helping him at all. he's a good player and deserves to try and figure it out somewhere else do we trade him or just release him tell you this you're definitely not going to find a trade for him so unless it's a bad contract for bad contract swap yeah which doesn't really occur midseason but yeah no uh colby i know you have some thoughts on colton long that you wanted to share yeah no it's pretty much that um you know nobody's denying that colton wong has been a big disappointment this year um There's been some, let's say, revisionist history with a lot of people now stepping up and claiming that they knew Colton Wong was going to be a bum because he's been his entire career. And that's not anywhere near the case.

But at the end of the day, Colton Wong has been a very successful major leaguer for about a decade now. He's never had struggles like this whatsoever. And while the Mariners did give him lots of time early, they've pulled the plug on him as of late. And it's basically impossible for Colton to help himself or the ball club if he's going to be on the bench for two weeks at a time. You can't show your current team or teams that are out there who might be interested in you that you've made these adjustments. You can't show them by hitting in the cage every day. You need live at bats. The Mariners are in a situation where they can't really afford to give Colton Wong live at bats if they don't feel confident that he can hit.

So it is a bad situation for both of them, but at the end of the day, you got to do what's right by the player. And if you're not willing to use Colton Wong more than once every 12 days, you need to DFA him. Because you're not going to trade him. That's not going to happen.

Again, maybe if you, you could swap him for like Mike Zanino who just got DFAed or something like that. That happens on occasion. But at the end of the day, you need to DFA him because you need to give Colton Wong the ability to get regular at-bats to show if he can turn this

round. And by not playing him, you're not giving other teams the possibility of looking at him. And the Mariners really can't afford to play him. So you're kind of just in this scenario here where the Mariners can't afford to play him. Colton Wong can't afford to sit for, you know, 14 days at a time and expect to have any value going into next year. So what's best for both player and team is that you just DFA the guy, wish him luck, and you move on. Keeping him on your roster and refusing to use him is unfair. It's unfair to Colton Wong. He's a 10-year veteran, a major league baseball, who is going to get another shot somewhere.

Allow him to take that shot now. There's no reason not to. I know they sit and say, well, you want to make sure Dillan Moore can play. No, no. I'm just saying no to that. B.S. Because if you don't think Colton Wong can play for two straight weeks, you don't think he's good enough to do that, then you just call up Mason McCoy,

Dillan Moore needs to go on the IL because you're not going to play Mason McCoy more than one. every two weeks. You're doing the player a disservice by just keeping him on your roster and rotting him on the bench and never using him. And again, I get why the Mariners are doing that. Colton Wong doesn't deserve at-bats. I totally get that. So then you DFA him. Yeah. He's earned that right to go out and try to find a place where he can play, where he can try and rework something and maybe recoup some value towards the end of the year. He deserves that. So to me, the Mariners have done Colton Wong a huge disservice by just letting him rot on the bench for two weeks.

Just DFA him. DFA him. Wash your hands of it. Say, well, we miss. We wish Colton well. I mean,

he's a good dude. He's been a good player's entire career. It just didn't happen for us. But we can't. It's not fair to him to sit on the bench for two weeks and expect him to perform when he does play. It's not fair to us to sit here and, you know, basically have a 24-man roster, uh, you know,

while everybody else is playing. playing with 26. So we're going to DFA Colton Wong. It's the right thing to do. Period. Just do that. Yeah. Yep. I tweeted yesterday that it was a time to move on because as you said, you're not doing him any favors. You're not doing yourself any favors. And you really at this point can't justify giving him at bats either. Yep. They've already moved on. This is very Tommy Lestella-esque where it feels long overdue for them to have. They've already moved on. They just refused to make it official. And that is unfair to the player.

Yeah. Yeah, they're essentially ghosting him without saying. Yeah. I'm breaking him with you. Yeah, they're leaving him on red. He's on, he's, you know, in, he's in limbo right now. Yeah. It's not fair.

Yeah. It's, it's an unfortunate situation. Um, you know, again, look, you mentioned the revisitorist history and all this stuff on Colton Wong. Colton Wong, the last two years had posted his career best in WRC Plus, back to back years. And top 10 second baseman like that's after making mechanical changes there was actually tangible evidence there that something had changed for the better for him offensively yeah the defense was a problem and it's been a problem this year we thought maybe that you know the mariners could figure that out or maybe that you know was a fluke essentially it wasn't you know these things happen that's that's baseball unfortunately you know sometimes you acquire guys and for inexplicable reasons they fall off. Jesse Winker.

I thought Jesse Winker was going to be amazing this year in Milwaukee after being a massive disappointment in Seattle this past year. And it's just been more of the same. And I don't really know how that's possible because Jesse Winker, it's like a top 10 hitter in Major League Baseball for like four straight years before that. Like these things just happen. There's no explanation for it, Philly.

And so all you can really say is that, you know, it's a bummer. That's it. All right. You're listening to the lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen here on Mailbag Monday. Again, you can catch the Mariners and the Yankees starting to morrow on the Mariner's hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM app. We've got another question via email.

And oh, my, that is tiny on the screen. All right, I got to zoom in. All right, this comes from SMs. Hey, guys, I had a ballpark question for you. What are some? good spots to loiter around slash enjoy the game from inside of Team Mobile Park. My seat at today's

game in the 300 section gave me crippling vertigo and I had to leave the game painfully early as I could not stand the panic attack it was causing me. I always see the ballpark shots on TV of fans milling around gathering area, a million around gathering areas

of the ballpark but I have no idea where they are or if they're restricted. Thanks. All right. So, this is a question solely for Colby to ask because let's just say the last time I was at T-Mobile Park, it wasn't called T-Mobile Park, and Johan Santana was starting for the Minnesota Twins.

Yeah, let's just say Tye's not a real Mariners fan because he refuses to come visit his home ballpark even when his best buddy is going to be there. But anyway. And one of his favorite players growing up is getting inducted into the team all thing. Yeah, two years in a row. How about that? Um, so yeah, the 300 levels where I like to hang out.

So if that's causing you issue, obviously we have to eliminate that. Um, I do wonder how high up you were because the seats kind of get pretty narrow as you get towards the top. Whereas if you're in the bottom row of the 300 level, it's fine. Uh, the places most people hang out. There's edgers, uh, can go in there. Um, there is the, there is the, the pen, which is in center field. Uh, you see a lot of overhead. shots. That is in the centerfield gate.

You actually, it's a little, it's a little tricky. You have to go downstairs to the street level to get to the pen, which is where a lot of people hang out and watch the game. Well, watch the game's a bit strong, but there are a lot of people who hang out down there. Some watch the game. Some just talk and, you know, throw out some horrible pickup lines that I'm sure sometimes work, but the pin is another one. If you get there really early, like, I mean, when gates open, you can get on. along the railing of like where the bullpen guys warm up and where they pitch and you can watch an entire game from there. There's also the tower in right center field by the Edgar or by the Dave Nehouse statue out there where you can walk up a flight of stairs and you can lean on the railing.

And it's not, you're not at the 300 levels. You're not way up there, but you're slightly above the 100 level. So yeah, I would try the pen. The best way to get to the pen to make sure you get a good spot. or Edgars or the railing by the bullpins either where any of those spots you probably want to get there early which is right when gates open unfortunately you want to go to the center field entrance which is all the way around back towards where the train tracks are that gate will open up 30 minutes before all the other gates you want to go through there you want to hang a right when you get through the gate and that entire

area there's some restaurants there's beer and there there's a little team shop right there you'll see a big open patio. That is the pen. And that is where a lot of people hang out. And that's probably the shots you've seen that you're referring to. It's right there right as you walk in from the center field gate. Don't go up the stairs from the center field gate. Hang it right.

Stay on the street level. And you'll find the open patio or you'll find the railings where you can lean on to watch the game from, you know, near the bullpen area. That's probably your best bet. another spot that you might be referring to is trident deck and trident deck is always like reserve for get-togethers right like it's typically closed it's also 300 level yeah it's also 300 level and it's can you see the game from the trident deck yeah okay okay um yeah there's also the boardwalk but that is also 300 level i'm sure you saw it it's right behind home play that's a really cool area just to kind overlook the city and the water and all that stuff.

But again, we're trying to avoid the 300 level. It sounds like you want to go to the pen or to Edgar's canteena where like big groups of people congregate. Your best bet is to go in through the centerfield gate. It opens two hours before first pitch. The other gates open an hour and a half. And then you just want to stay on the street level. Don't go up the stairs.

Just hang a right. And you should be able to get into the pen. Now, Pauvue, I have to ask you. You're saying that I'm not. a real fan, right? That I, you know, I haven't been to the ballpark, etc.

But do you have your name on a brick at T-Mobile Park? Let me ask you this, Ty. Have you ever left a Mariners game early to miss one of the best comebacks in franchise history? Yeah. Because that's a,

that's a, the last part of that is a little bit of distrust. I have never one of the greatest come back to team early. Have you? I have, I'll admit it. Imagine that.

It wasn't, it wasn't because of the game. Daddy bought a brick. So all of a sudden, I'm a real Mariners fan, even though I, me, Colby literally sticks around

even when they're down 13 to 4 against the Yankees. But Ty, oh, no, we got dinner reservations. Can't watch them come back and beat Toronto

because I got to get to this restaurant. Colby, have you seen a playoff win in person? Uh, I don't know, actually. I can't remember because I think I went to playoff games in 97 and 2001.

And obviously this last. year. So I might have been there for one. Well, I don't think I was. Colby. I've seen two. That's cool. Did you see Cal Raleigh's clenching home run? Did you help each year? I saw his home. I saw his home run off of Alecmanoa in game one of the wild card. Cool. Cool. Uh-huh. Were you there when we celebrated Edgar being inducted into the

Hall of Fame? How about when we put each year old in the team Hall of Fame? Will you be there when each year old gets inducted into the actual Hall of Fame? I mean, Coorstown is actually not that far from Toronto. Toronto. Are you just there because they happen to be in your town? Because I travel out of my way to go be with the Mariners. For you, it's like a 30 minute bus ride. So listen, man, if you want to, if you want to send me some cash, like, throw some cash my way. I can make it out. I'm down. Sorry, man. I'm spending my own cash on me. I won't say no. I won't say no. I sold my own cash on me. You spend your cash on you. So, there you are. We're already at 31 minutes and we have three questions left. It's your fault. Lightning round. Lightning round. Lightning. Lightning. around wildcat oblong as uh lance lynn looked very comfortable pitching in seattle today and he did should we take a shot at acquiring him what do you think the cost would look like was he really that good though was he really it's like how many whiffs did he end up with he had like 32 i think yeah which by the way he had 25 i think after after four innings

23 yeah if you think about it after that they only had nine that's you know But yeah, Lynn look good. I don't think it was just because he liked the mound at T-Mobile, though. No, that's exactly because of that. He liked the feel of the ballpark, the atmosphere. Sure. If he's going to do that every time at T-Mobile Park, then you should trade Brian Wu for him. I mean, come on.

Yeah, no, he's a guy that Ty and I have talked about, it's been a while since we talked about Lance Land. But the White Sox are a really obvious team that they're going to sell. And they've already come out and said we're only interested in selling rentals, which is stupid a kind of a rental. He's a, he's a year and a half guy. But like, I think they can be talked into it. If they're really not willing to trade Lance Lynn, because he's got a year of club control off, they are the dumbest organization of baseball.

And to be fair, they might already be anyways, but they're morons. If they're not willing to trade males and then. Rockies. I mean, at least the angels are winning right now. Rockies is a good one. Did you just give the angels a compliment? They're like eight games over 500, yeah. Gross.

Well, we'll see how they blow it. It'll be fun to watch. Remember last year how they blew it? 17 game losing streak or something like that. So there's time. There's time. But yeah, I think you should, I think you should be interested in Lynn,

either this summer or next winter when you know you're going to have to replace Robbie Ray for at least half the year. I think a guy like Lynn makes a lot of sense. He won't be too terribly expensive. There are going to be a lot of teams. They're going to be scared away by his salary, which is a pretty hefty price to pick up in the middle of the year. And unfortunately, I can't say the Mariners won't be one of them,

but we'll see. Yeah, I think they should be interested in Lynn. I don't think it's going to cost a ton. I bet you could get Lynn for a package that's headlined by like Jonathan Klosset. Maybe it costs you Emerson Hancock on the high end. I'm very into the idea, especially if that's the cost. Yeah. I know he hasn't like, like yesterday was.

It was the outlier. It was an outlier. He's been bad this year. But he's never been as bad as he's been this year. Yeah. I'm very much on the on the Lanselin train here. We'll probably do a trade a day about him at some point. Probably.

Yeah. Again, we don't have a lot of time to get into him right now. But we'll talk about him some more before the deadline approaches. All right. Next question. C&C talks. How many more games does Wu have before he likely hits an innings cap? Also, is he a likely trade ship if we start to climb the standing? So we basically address this earlier on in the show. You said that you think that Wu has about 50 innings left and that's probably on the high end. Yeah, which is probably safe to say then eight to 10 starts at most, maybe short scriptum once or you get an extra start out of him.

But yeah, I think it's probably 50 innings max and another 8 to 10 starts max. And then maybe they move them to the bullpen after that or maybe. Because I don't think they're just going to shut him down. And I think if you get him to 100 innings and then he becomes a bullpen guy who pitches every like third day, you know, then you could probably squeeze an extra 15 out of them because it'll be more broken up. But you're not just going to run woo into the ground to keep them, you know,

pitching every five days. So yeah, I think I would say at most. 10 starts, 10 more starts for Wu, it's probably closer to eight. And he could be traded, but I would classify that as unlikely. I don't think there's a guy out there that the Mariners are going to be willing to trade Brian Wu for this summer. Well, because now Wu's proving it, I mean, obviously, you know, the numbers don't look great because of that one start against the Rangers, but we were right now in short,

small sample size, but Wu right now is proven that he can, he can do it at the major league level right now. And because of that, he's certainly one of the, I don't know, 50 most valuable young assets there is right now in the game. Probably. So basically six full years of a starting pitcher who's already shown mid-rotation stuff and isn't even fully done developing yet. Like, yeah, he's, he'd be pretty valuable. So maybe. But like, I honestly think that for the mayor's to be interested in training woo right now, they'd have to be getting something like Jonathan in India and obviously that's not going to happen. The Reds are winning too much right now.

Well, I mean, yeah, but even if they weren't, probably not going to happen. So I would say no, it's not likely, but it's not impossible. All right. Last question of the day from Ham Swaggerty, 69. Everybody wants to talk about how can improve this roster. Hey, I get it. But I feel like this is also a bench utilization issue. Why not the Pollock, Murphy, and more against Ritey's a little bit more.

I know you're trying to protect them, but Pollack and Murph in particular. Colby, you got any thoughts on this? Yeah, you're not wrong. I think A.J. Pollock needs to play a little bit more because you just, you have to know, right? Because if Pollock is not going to hit, right? That's just not going to happen this year. Then you have to go out and you have to get an A.J. Pollock because the idea behind Pollock makes a ton of sense. And he's managed to help you.

He said a few big home runs. He's managed to play pretty good defense. He's a good base runner. So why not give Pollock, you know, 10 days as much as his body can handle where he's in the lineup every day, DH, right field left, doesn't matter, right? Just get him in the lineup every day and see what he's going to do because the odds that he helps you more than Mike Ford pretty significant. The odds that he can do that when he's only playing once every four days, pretty much zero.

So yeah, I think you do need to get Pollock, you know, more at bats. I'm actually okay with the usage of Murphy. I'm fine with that. He should pretty much only be hitting against lefties, occasional righty. Sure, if the matchup is good. But if it's a righty with like a good breaking ball, which is a lot of righties, it's probably not the best matchup for Murphy. And then with Dylan Moore, it's really just about what can his body handle right now.

Because last night or yesterday, during yesterday's game, you know, Colton Wong, Bunt single, gets on first. You don't pinch her on Dillan Moore. You don't use Dillamore as a defensive replacement or Cabrero for that matter. But it doesn't seem, it seems to me like if Moore's not in the starting lineup, he's not available for that day, which means they're really trying to ease him in. So I don't know how much more you could put on Dillan Moore physically. So that one I'm unsure of, I think they should use Pollock more.

I think you need to give him what they never gave, well, what they never gave Tommy Lestella and what they barely gave Colton Wong after, you know, middle of May. You need to give him a legitimate stretch of at-bats to see if there's something here that he can do to help you more. Because if not, that's a position you might actually have to go out and fix. Thankfully, like the second base problem, you've kind of managed that with Cabrero, continually getting hit by pitches and walking. So you don't have a black hole at second base. But Pollock's role is an important role.

It's one you want to have filled with a good player. so you need to know if that is Pollock or if you need to go out and get somebody else. So I do think you need to play Pollock. I would like to see Pollock get four starts on this upcoming road trip. My guess is he gets one or two, which I think is a waste.

I'm kind of curious to see if Dillamore is actually long for the 2023 roster. It does have three minor league options left. And look, you miss all of your offseason activities. You miss all of spring training. You get kind of rushed into your first rehab stent. You suffer a setback.

Then you make the next rehab stent. Now you're back in the big leagues after only a handful of games, really. There's a lot of action and conditioning Dillemore has missed over the last six months, seven months. Yeah. He looks like a guy who hasn't participated in baseball activities for the last eight months. Yeah. Pollock, on the other hand, you know, he had a really good month of May 22, 326, 417. That's a 111-11 WRC plus.

He's played 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 games in the month of June, negative 12 WRC plus during that time. I don't know. It's weird. It's really weird assessing him because there's, again, like he's gone on a stretch where he's looked pretty good. like he's looked like the guy that you basically signed him to be and then there's this other version of AJ Pollock that we've seen that's been utterly unusable. I wonder if that's maybe just a lack of consistency in his game reps and plate appearances or if he might actually just be washed. The real concern is still the splits against lefties. He hasn't been good against lefties, which is what you brought him in to do.

right and that's another one of those inexplicable things like colton long like jesse winker like where it's just all right yeah maybe you would suffer some regression on that front but to this degree like yeah what the hell is going on there so i don't know um this team is probably going to need a bench shake up at some point especially if they are going to compete um and i just i don't know if if they are competing this year for the postseason and potentially more if dillamore is a part of it if AJ Pollack's a part of it. Colton Long's certainly not a part of it. So this bench is probably going to look a little bit different in,

you know, three or four weeks time. Which is fine as long as you go get the everyday bat too. Yeah. Yeah. Don't just supplement with the Jake Lambs and the Kirk Casillas of the world. No, you need the everyday bat. Yeah. If you do that, then go get the Jake lambs and blah, blah, blah.

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