Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag: Jonathan India Is Available, So Are the Mariners a Fit?

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

The Seattle Mariners had a good, but not great, weekend and on today's mailbag episode, there appeared to be renewed energy about adding to the squad! Colby and Ty break down some new rumors regarding Jonathan India and Willson Contreras, explain why they believe in an upside play in Dylan Carlson, and rattle off a dozen or so names to watch in the final week leading up to the trade deadline.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelMake Every Moment More. Don’t miss the chance to get your No Sweat First Bet up to TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in Bonus Bets when you go FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON.SleeperDownload the Sleeper app and use promo code LOCKEDON and you'll get up to a $100 match on your first deposit.  Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper’s Terms of Use for details. Currently operational in over 30 states. Check out Sleeper today! DaveDownload Dave today at Dave.com/mlb. You could get up to $500 in 5 minutes or less! No credit check. No late fees. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Reds Enfielder Jonathan India is reportedly available. Could he be a fit for the Mariners? That and more Mariners questions coming up here on Mailbag Monday. Colby. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors.

It is Monday, July 24th, 2023. This is Tadang Azales and Colby Pennowed for the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first. listen, subscribe, like, and turn on alerts. If you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform, if you like what you hear. And if you're part of the crew and rock with us every single day, let us know in the comments below.

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We're going to start with Gilbert here, who says, news broke that Reds expressed willingness to trade Jonathan India for a young, controllable starting pitcher. Does anyone in the M system make sense? If they want Emerson Hancock, sure. But they don't. So no. The answer is no.

The answer is no. And I'm not willing to trade any pitcher in the Mariners' rotation currently for Jonathan India. He is a sub-100 WRC plus guy with bad defense. Yep. He is woefully out of position at second base. He should be playing third base, but the bat doesn't profile well at third base. So essentially for him to be worth one of your young pitchers, he has to be an above-average offensive second baseman,

who's at least average defensively. and he is neither of those things. So no. No, India is not the guy. Yeah, I'm not paying for the guy that won rookie of the year two years ago. I'm paying for the guy that he is now,

which again is a sub 100 WRC plus guy with bad defense. And I'll pay a little extra on that because of the upside, because of the years of control, but not that much. I'm not paying Brian Wu. I'm not paying Bryce Miller. I'm not paying any of those guys for Jonathan India. So,

yeah. If it's just about the bat, you can just go get Mark Kana for Alberto, Rodriguez. Right. That's a better way. It's a better bet right now as well. Yeah.

You know, a couple years down the line, whatever. But as far as like, how does, how do these guys help me in 2023 and even 2024 just projecting out that way? Jonathan India is not a guy that I'm willing to bank that much on,

personally. Nope. You pretty much need a three-team deal if you want Jonathan, India, and I don't see it. Next question. comes from Max. I heard you guys talking a lot about the upside in Cardinals outfielder, Dylan Carlson. What do you guys see in him that gives you confidence he can be better?

On the same note, what do you guys look at or for when deciding if a guy has more potential than they have shown? So, Colby, you've been high on the upside, fairly high on the upside of Dylan Carlson as of late. So tell us about that first before we answer the second part of Maxis question. Sure. You know, first and foremost, prospect prestige does give you a longer leash. And the fact that Dylan Carlson has been a major league average hitter for essentially the first three years of his career and is only 24 years old, just those factors alone tell you that, yeah, there's probably a bit more when you look at, you know, what's left in the tank. There's probably more because typically you don't hit your prime until 27.

through 30 somewhere in that range. So if you're already an average big leaguer at the age of, I think, Carlson just turned 25, then there's probably more there. That also means that there's a really high floor that you're just always going to be, you know, at least for a long time, a league average hitter. And Carlson does other things that help you too. He's a pretty good runner. He's a pretty good defender.

He showed power in the past more than he has. The bat speed suggests that there is more power there. So there's a lot of scouting things from his old scouting report that make you think that. And then you look at just the numbers, how steady they've been over the first, you know, three years of his career. And even though it's not mind blowing that he's, you know, essentially a 100, 105 WRC plus guy right now, he is only 24 years old. So, or 25 years old.

So, yeah, there's a lot of projection left there that he can still get better. And he is having a, he's having a really good second half at last check. But, yeah, it's mostly, you know, you look at the prospect. profile from when he was drafted, from when he made his major league debut, and then you look at the success he's had in the majors, and he's been relatively good, you know, as a major leaguer. And you look at age and you kind of project forward. And that's mostly what it is. There's also things like chase rates, you know, hard hit rates. There is another one, ex-wova. But you got to be careful with those because that's not a one-size-fits-all thing, right? Like Ty France, when Ty

France is good. It's not because he's hitting the ball at 115 miles an hour every time he's out there, right? Sometimes ex-a-vilos and ex-Wobas, they're a little bit, you know, they don't tell the entire story. So be a little careful with that. But, uh, yeah, Carlson for me, it's, it's, what his profile suggests he is, what he's already been at a young age in the majors. Um, and it's, it's mostly those factors for projecting some more upside. And theoretically speaking, he's most likely going to be cheaper than what's been speculated for Lars Newpar. He's also not playing as much

you know, Tyler I don't know if O'Neill's back or not yet but a few days ago, a few days ago I read that once O'Neal returned from injury that Carlson was essentially going to become the fourth outfielder there in St. Louis so he's only playing like two times, three times, maybe four times

a week there in St. Louis then he should be had for a fairly reasonable cost. And so with that upside, paired with what it could potentially cost there. I'm all about it. So what do we look for when looking at guys that might have a little more in the tank?

I mean, it can be just as simple as like the obvious numbers, right? An uptick and production over a certain period of time. Or it could be a little bit deeper than that. You know, hard hit rates, if we're talking about a hitter, specifically hard hit rates, barrel percentages, anything that suggests that more success is on the way. Anything else, Colby?

Yeah, for hitters, you know, it's like if the in-zone contact rate is above average, but his batting average is below average. And, you know, you look at line drive rates and fly ball,

you try and see like, hey, is this guy maybe getting a little bit unlucky with his bat at balls? You look for things like that. For pitchers, typically I'm looking for, you know, guys who's XERA,

or FIP is a lot lower than their ERA, or you're kind of looking at guys who maybe have a good pitch that they're not utilizing enough. And that's why you think, hey, if they tweak this, if they can use the slider a bit more, if they could maybe go to a two-seamer instead of a four-seamer, then there's probably more on-tap potential there. But a lot of the times what you're looking for is just athletes,

who's a really good athlete that hasn't really been a good baseball player yet, or, you know, has been a good baseball player, but you think could be better. that's the guy you take the shot on and you trust your your player development and all that stuff to to make them better and that that that's that's true even at the big when you're looking at big league guys it's not just the farm system guys that you're trying to develop you're trying to develop big leaguers too and so yeah for me it's it's you know you just kind of look at and say this is what the guy was supposed to be this is

what he's been and the number suggests the metrics suggest hard hit rate you know line drive rate batting average and balls in play x-whole blah, blah, blah. It also suggests that this could be what he is, and that's pretty much what you're looking for. Quality of contact numbers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Mariners are big on the quality of contact stuff. Sure, for sure. All right, we're going to be announcing the winners of our Mariners ticket giveaway, and we're going to be answering more of your questions in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Mariners podcast is brought to you by Sleeper.

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All right. So let's get back into these questions here, Colby. We got one from Alex. Do you think the Jared Kellnick situation could be like the Jesse Winker takes on the Angels situation from last year that pushes the team together and kicks them into gear? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think the Jesse Winker thing did that.

I think it's an easy thing to point to and say that's the turning point. But the real reason that they turned it around is that they started scoring six runs a game. That's how they won 14 in a row. They scored five, six runs a game. And their pitching was really good. Yeah. So no. But they have won three of their last four since the incident.

So I guess if you believe in that type of stuff, I don't personally. Sure. I don't think that losing one of your best players galvanizes the team. But, you know, Stranger Things is. happen and I'm not going to pretend what I to know what it's like in that Mariners clubhouse right now so maybe yeah but I doubt it especially with an injury that happened the way it did I just self-inflicted like I don't know maybe it is a vibes changer maybe they were able to spin it around positively for them and that's given them something here I mean they have looked more lively than they have for most

of the year this past these past four days but how valuable is that at the end of the day I don't probably not a whole lot but hey if it's helped them in some sort of way great awesome good for them if they needed something like that to give them a little kick in the rear end then cool but i i have no idea how to even quantify that for you guys yeah i just i doubt it all right next question here comes from hunter as we get closer who are some players that reasonably are on the radar at this point. Cana seems like a good fit, but curious what you guys think at this point. Yeah, so Canna, Dylan Carlson, I mean, there's a bunch of, you know, possibilities here. And you know what's going to happen. I don't need to say it really, but we know that once we get to the trade deadline,

Colby and I are going to get on this show talking about someone that we haven't even thought about because that's what Jerry Depoto does. But yeah, you know, who are some other guys on the, on the radar that you think are realistic for the Mariners, Colby? Tommy fam. Yeah. That's a pretty good one. He's having a nice year. You know, kind of kept his, his nose clean after the whole Jock Peterson thing.

So it doesn't appear to be a problem anymore. I think that you should trade for Tommy Fam and Jock Peterson and Platoon them. If only the Giants weren't in it, then yes, I would agree. But yeah, he definitely makes some sense. I think that Randall Gritchuck makes a lot of sense. He does. Yeah, he's kind of pretty much Tommy fam, you know, bright-handed hitter. Josh Bell could make some sense.

Cleveland's in it, but they do some weird things at the deadline, so you never know. Same with Ahmad Rosario. Is that the right one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah, he could be available.

So, yeah, there's plenty of guys who could be available. Seth Brown is a guy who I know Ty hates, but whatever. There's some value there. I think he's a good fit in the ballpark. Like, imagine an athletic. Mike Ford. There you go. More athletic Mike Ford, I should say. So, yeah.

Apparently just acknowledging that he's only been good for half a season is hating him. Great for half a season, but. Sure. Like top five, top 10 baseball for half a season. But yeah. You know, some maybe lesser note like Hunter Renfro would make some sense, except for the whole Angels thing. And the Mariners of Angels haven't made a trade in more than a decade. So it's probably not that realistic. But yeah, there's definitely guys.

I mean, Cody Bellinger's market's probably going to get away from you, but you should be thinking about him. You should be thinking about maybe Max Kepler. You could be thinking about. Refresh my memory on Beliger. Is it a mutual option? I think it's a, yeah, so he'll opt out. Yeah.

And the Cubs would just put the QO on him. So you kind of have to give him more than the qualifying offer than the draft pick compensation would be. So that's probably like Emerson Hancock or Claucet and something. which, you know, if there was a club option there, I would still consider him, but given where you are right now, given how expensive he's probably going to be really. I still consider it. Yeah.

So it's all dependent on the cost. Sure. Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of guys that, you know, fill this, this role. Like if you're looking for maybe like more of a like Jorge Polanco maybe is a guy that might make some sense. But yeah, there's,

I think you're looking at like Tommy Pham, Mark Kanna, Randall Gritchuk. Ideally, you'd like the guy to be lefty, but beggars can't be choosers. Mark Kanna makes sense. So you're not,

you're not discounting guys just because they're right-handed. So, yeah, I think the Mets make some sense here. And I think Kana or FAM make a lot of sense for this club. And then you'd like to get a lefty. But aside from Bellinger, you know,

there's not, I mean, because you're probably not getting Confordo. You're probably not getting Peterson, even though they're both rentals because the giants are in it. So yeah, I think you're pretty much know who's available. I guess, you know, one other name that I throw out there just suggesting that maybe you watch it is Yon Moncada. It's pretty interesting. But yeah, I think you guys know by this point who's available and who's not. Who's likely to be available and who's not?

And then you always have to be ready for surprises because you can wake up on, you know, Friday and see that the mayors have traded Paul Seawald for Harold Ramirez. And then nobody ever saw a comment. So, uh, but yeah, I did, I do think fam Gritchuk, Kana seem like more likely targets than most because the thing you guys have to remember is that no trade is ever likely to happen. None. So, yeah. Yeah, I'll throw a couple more just random names out there. not saying they would be good additions,

but I can see the mirrors maybe taking a flyer on them, like Mike Talkman from Chicago or Patrick. Or Patrick Wisdom, who's been 20 grade. Who hits home runs and that's it. He's right-handed Mike Ford. He strikes out 40% of the time, too. He's worse than right-handed Mike Ford. He's worse than right-hand-and-mic Ford.

But I, you know, I'm discovering all my bases here because you just, you never know. Jake Bowers. Sure. Why not? Yeah, I didn't have Jake Lamb or Matthew Boyd on the list last year, so or Kirk Cicely. Very few did. Very few did.

Yeah, yeah. We don't need to rehash that whole thing. All right. Next question here comes from Kenny. If the Ms are trading for a bat before the deadline, would you rather they trade from their rotation or a farm package that includes one of their top five prospects? And can you explain why for the people in the back? Yeah. Farm system.

Yeah. Farm system, for sure. Yeah, when we're talking about pitchers, right? And we're not talking about your run-of-the-mill number fours, number five. So we're talking about, you know, guys that are either established number threes or have shown you or have shown you that their ceiling is that, right? Bryce Miller and Brian Wu would fit more so into that category, whereas Castillo, Kirby, and Gilbert are the former category. So pitching is just so hard and expensive to find. and it's really true, even though that it is a cliche,

it really is true you can never have enough pitching. And so it has to be a pretty special bat for you to trade a pitcher of that caliber. And to me right now, when we're talking within the context of this current trade market, there isn't a bat out there that is legitimately available to me that I go, yeah, I would trade George Corby for that guy.

I would trade Logan Gilbert for that guy. I would trade Brian Wu for that guy. It just isn't a perfect fit. that isn't to say that it's not possible that there isn't a trade that could happen there where I'm like okay yeah I get it I see that I understand it but it's it's rare it's a lot more rare than I think a lot it's it's a lot more rare and a lot harder to fathom than I think a lot of fans yeah yeah um I know that the mariners are really good at developing pitching too um I've seen that comment a lot that well they'll just develop the next guy and

you could be right but who is the next guy because right now the mariners kind of have a lack of like the next wave of pitchers they focus so much attention on the offense and getting these young hitters and they're doing a good job of that and developing them that really after hancock it's michael morales is probably your next best guy and he's like mike leak at best so uh yeah yeah you don't walter ford's like probably five years away at least like you are ashton isy same thing like you've got some work to do there. Like you, the good news is,

again, because you have a pitching staff that is under club control right now, that if they stay healthy, you're, you know, relatively healthy. You're not going to need those guys.

And you can go out and you can always acquire a number five starter, really at any point for next to nothing. But no, the reason you're trading, you know, the reason you're trading the farm system guys, despite, you know,

wanting to continue to build that up is that they're not major leaguers. Like right now, there is not a single major league ready player in the Mariners system that is worth anything in the trade market except for maybe Emerson Hancock. Yeah. So if you like Cole young, I love Cole Young, right? He's great. Might be the number one prospect when we do our re-ranks. He's at least two years away. And then he might be another two years away from being an everyday guy who contributes because we don't know.

Progression isn't like player development isn't linear. so you can get to the big leagues fast and then it could take him two or three years to find his footing. Yeah. So if you trade him now, you're not hurting your big club for at least two or three more years,

at least. If you trade Logan Gilbert now, who's the popular one to, you know, get thrown around right now, then you've hurt your club for the next five years. Yeah.

The simple fact of the matters, anybody you think you can get for Logan Gilbert, you can probably get for a prospect package instead. Yeah. Now, this conversation is a little,

bit different in the winter because obviously you have more options to go address your rotation and you don't have to trade prospects to you know look at those options either and so like if the mirrors went out and traded Logan Gilbert but then they turn around and signed Blake Snell again pulling a name out of thin air here then yeah fine cool whatever but when you're in the middle of the season and you're in the middle of a wild card race like there's are right now you don't trade especially if from really your only strength. I mean, the bullpen as well.

Bullpen's a strength, too, for the marries. But your five starters are a strength, but starting pitching depth is a weakness. It is, it is. So you're kind of creating a weakness. Well, and also you're going to be shutting down Wu at some point. So if you subtract another pitcher, like if you're not just trading Wu,

if you're shutting down Wu and trading Gilbert, you got a problem on your hands. And that's not a cheap problem to fix. And that's not a problem that you're going to fix with a number four or number five. Right. You might be able to mask some of the deficiencies there. But Drew Smiley is a, for example, again, just pulling another name out of thin air here. He's a massive drop off from Logan Gilbert from Bryce Miller.

So I mean, I even just hypothetically, right, just to wrap this up. Because it's all hypothetical until something happens. if the Mariners traded Logan Gilbert for Lars Newpar, which has kind of been a popular, even though the Cardinals have repeatedly said, we're not trading Lars Newpar, which is stupid, but whatever.

The Cardinals can do what they want. If that deal was made, you should be furious because you know what I can do? I can just go trade Alberto Rodriguez for Mark Kanna, who's had a higher WRC plus than Lars Newpar right now and keep Logan Gilbert. Would you rather have Logan Gilbert and Mark Kana or Lars Newpar? That's how you have to look at this thing,

and particularly in season. In the winter, all bets are off. You can go trade for another pitcher. You can blah, blah, blah, blah. All bets are you could trade prospect bats for prospect arms. And that makes a lot more sense in the winter than it does in the summer. But right now at the deadline, you're trading from your farm system pretty much, like, exclusively, unless there's a sideways deal. You can make with like Seawald or Tay Oscar or somebody like that.

Right. Yeah. And as far as like, you know, the Newt Bar, Kana, et cetera, conversation goes, like, upside and paying for, you know, Newt Bar being more in the future. That's all great and that is important, but the most important thing here, when you're acquiring players in 2023,

especially if you are serious about competing, is what can they do for me this year, right? How much of an upgrade is it for me this year? How much of an upgrade or how worth it is it for me to trade starting pitching for that guy this year? Like, so. Are you getting worse or are you getting better? for 2023.

And in that example, you're most likely getting worse. And at best, you're net zero. And that's if Hancock comes up and is basically Logan Gilbert right away. Right. And that's not going to happen. Yeah. You're listening to the Lockdown Air and his podcast.

Thank you again for making us your first listen here on Mailbag Monday. We got a couple more questions here. We got one here from Peter. It's from Bob Nightingale. So big grain of salt, but if Wilson Contreras is really available, would you be interested in what's the biggest red flag? The cost, contractor fit. Could Jerry get creative and find a three-teamer that sends Tom Murphy out and lowers Mariners cost by getting St. Louis prospects from both teams? To answer the question about the biggest red flag, it's all three.

It's all three for me. Contreras is known as a bad clubhouse fit. He's expensive. And you don't really need him. so yeah I'm I'm out on Wilson Contreras I have no interest in going down that path so as far as your second question goes it doesn't really matter to me because I just I don't want Wilson contraris personally do you feel any differently holy oh yeah he's he's a catcher right and that's fine he's a pretty good one you have cow Raleigh you have Tom Murphy

you're fine you're fine a catcher uh and this guy is overpaid for what the bat is. So it's not a positional need. It's too much money for the quality of bat you're getting. If you don't care about the catcher defense, which we don't because the marries are fine there, it's just not a good fit. Yeah.

I forgot to mention that you can catch the Mariners and the Twins tonight on the Marry's hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM app. Let's get into our final question here, Colby. This one comes from Vlad. What are the pitching options with Wu close to being shut down and Marco's still not throwing. So we talked about this a little bit.

Emerson Hancock's that next guy up, I would think. Obviously, you still have Tommy Malone, and you have Adam Aller and Logan Allen in Tacoma. But, yeah, I would think that Hancock as of now would be the next guy if there was an injury or when they shut down Brian Wu. So, yeah, Jerry's also talked about not shutting down Wu and just going to a six-man rotation.

for part of the year, which the problem with that is, is obviously you're giving the ball to Castillo, Kirby, and Gilbert, less as well as Wu and Miller. So the number six has got to be pretty good to justify that. I don't know if you want Hancock to be that guy. So in the case that they want, you know, to go with a six-man rotation, then they probably have to go out and acquire another arm.

And it doesn't have to be a great one, but like probably has to be at least Drew Smiley or, you know, mechalus from St. Louis, maybe if there's a contract. Yeah. So yeah, I think that's why, you know, I know Jerry has said repeatedly that pitching's not really at the top of our priority list at free agency or that's a trade deadline. It should be, especially if you're going to roll a six-man rotation. I mean, even if you're going to roll it just shut down, it should be. Because if you really, if you, if you don't think you're going to be in the playoff race, it doesn't matter, right?

Yeah. Everybody just gets their work in and then you just roll with macaque in or alone or yeah map rash and if you if you know where to look there's some information out there about the mariners looking at starting pitching so yeah they've at least done some digging on that front sure i've heard a lot of names most of them you know number five number four number five types and maybe some upside plays like jack flarity but uh yeah they're they're definitely at least they're at least talking they're at least and that's one of those things that you can put together pretty quick at the last minute so

it makes sense for Jerry to say the focus is on bats at the deadline because he knows that he can go get a Tyler Anderson type basically whenever he wants whenever he needs to these are the times where I missed the waiver deadline yeah same the waiver deadline was awesome I don't why dude that's how the that's how the aster's got just in verlander like there's some real like awesome trades that have been made at the waiver deadline wasn't the adjusting up and traded a waiver deadline too Which was it. I don't know.

Got traded a few times. I don't feel like there was another big one too, but like here's my thing. Right. With more and more teams, you know, staying in it longer. Yeah. Obviously trade cost, even for rentals, is going to continue to go up. Right. There's a new norm.

So what you could get player X four or five years ago doesn't apply anymore. It's throughout the playbook. You have to start from scratch. Why not extend the, trade deadline from August 1 or August 30 or 30 they move it around a little bit to get it on a weekend basically or get it on the day that they like but it's generally between the 30th and the second is when it's going to be when i just push you back to august 10 or august 15 why not because now you might have teams that are surging and all of a sudden like hey

now we're really into it let's go by or you have teams that have fallen back at that point like okay well now let's go sell why not just wait two weeks would it make any sense to do like a like a time off period like the trade deadline happens then you can't trade for like a month and then there's like another like trade period for like a week or something like that's basically the waiver deadline

with extra steps. Yeah. Yeah pretty much is. I mean but hey major league baseball loves to do things with extra steps. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think that's going to do it for us unless there's anything you want to quickly

rant about anything? Big Brother comes out next Wednesday and I have some thoughts. Find out on page 9.com forward slash control the zone if that interests you. That's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marriors podcast for Colby

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