Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag, Pt. 2: What Are the Most Important Positions Mariners Have to Address This Winter?

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

Due to the high volume of questions they received over the weekend, Colby and Ty do a second mailbag episode in a row. They answer questions regarding which young Mariners pitcher could be traded this offseason, Robbie Ray's return to the mound, which three positions HAVE to be addressed this winter, and much more.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Jase MedicalSave more than $360 by getting these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical plus an additional $20 off by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.  eBay MotorsKeep your ride-or-die alive at ebay.com/motors. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelMake Every Moment More.Make Every Moment More. Right now, NEW customers can bet FIVE DOLLARS and get TWO HUNDRED in BONUS BETS - GUARANTEED. Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.SleeperDownload the Sleeper app and use promo code LOCKEDON and you'll get up to a $100 match on your first deposit. Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper’s Terms of Use for details. Currently operational in over 30 states. Check out Sleeper today!FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Which of the Mariners young pitchers are most likely to be traded this winter? And what are the three most important positions the Mariners have to address? We'll answer that and more here on this part two of our weekly mailbag coming up. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors.

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and bryce miller is most likely to be moved what are some realistic returns colby start with you most likely to be moved uh i'd say woo probably um sure uh uh but he's also probably going to get you the least back at this stage. I don't see Gilbert being moved. Kirby's not getting moved. I'd be shocked if either of them got traded. But yeah, I would say

probably lose the most likely followed by Miller. Then I would say Gilbert and then Kirby's not going anywhere. I'd be shocked if they traded George Kirby. Yeah. I'd split the middle. I'd go Bryce Miller because I think that's the way that you maximize the value out of your

starting pitching, I don't necessarily want to call it an excess, but we'll say depth, to go get you a bat, where you also don't feel like you've severely hurt your rotation, and you can definitely recover with how solid the pitching market is and free agency. I just, you're not trading Gilbert. I just can't imagine it. Like, if you're trading Gilbert, it's, for me, it would only be for someone like Randy a Rosarena and I just don't think that's going to happen like we talked about around the

trade deadline. Yeah, so I think it's definitely Miller-Woo. I bet a decent amount of money on Miller or Wu one of those guys getting traded this off-season. I don't feel amazing about it, but I feel like it I feel like that's one of their most likely paths

to getting significantly better this off-season, especially with how poor the hitting market is. But yeah. Yeah. You know, what could you get for Wu? You could, Wu can be the centerpiece of a package to get like, really like a great rental or, you know, one or two years of, or a couple years of like a all-star better. Like, I don't mean like he made an all-star team. It's Teoska Hernandez. I mean, like,

a legitimate four-win player. A couple years of that. Not a lot of guys out there like that, but like could Brian Wu be used to get, I don't know, he's got the years of club control off, but could you be used to get, you know, Cedric Mullins? Yeah, I think he probably could be part of that package. So, um, but yeah,

it's, that's what you're looking for. Otherwise, you're not trading these guys for Teoska Hernandez. You're not trading these guys for, you know, even like Matt Brash because they're just Matt Brash. So you're,

you're trading these guys. You're trading them for everyday bats, uh, who, you know, you're talking 125 WRC plus floors. Like that's the type of guy you're talking about here. And if you're trading Wu or Miller, if you're not getting a like legit 140 WRC plus type of guy for a year or two,

then you're getting four or five years of a 120 WRC plus guy. Better than Lars Nupar. We've been over this. Right. Yeah, yeah. That hasn't changed. Even with how good Nupar was in the second half. Like that hasn't changed.

Nope. And also like I wouldn't trade Wu for like Pete Alonzo, for example. Like that's not a rental I'm interested in. Wu for Juan Soto, we can talk. But Pudelonzo, no. Yeah, I think Wu or Miller could definitely be a headliner in a Soto deal, especially at this point because co-headliner. Co-headliner, whatever.

Because, I mean, Miller and Wu, I mean, they're in a very unique position where they're two young major league starters with a lot of club control that are already established that have already pitched on the high end at times. They've already flash, you know, middle of the rotation stuff. That's going to intrigue a lot of teams and especially a team like the Padres, who's seemingly looking to limit payroll or dump some payroll, but also stay competitive or keep their competitive window fairly open, which, I mean, when you're trading Juan Soto, that seems like that's kind of conflicting there.

But yeah, it seems like that might be one of the levers that they end up pulling on that front. I do think that Wu or Miller makes sense for them. And I think Wu and Miller make sense for a lot of teams out there that might be looking to offload of bat or might be willing to offload a bat rather. Next question here comes from Elver is Robbie Ray going to be ready for the start of next season. Going to ignore the fact that you have a Brock Purdy avatar.

Second best team in the NFC. So, I mean, you've got to give them that. The best team, of course, played last night. And left with a win. But no, not even close. No, no, no. I think at the earliest, Ray, and this is, you know, everything goes well, July. The only acceptable game plan for Ray for both fans and the Mariners when they game plan the season is to assume you are getting a grand total of zero pitches thrown by Robbie Ray next year.

Yeah. Yeah, everything that you get from Ray is, it should be viewed as a bonus. Yep. So you should plan accordingly. So if you are going to trade a Brian Wu or Bryce Miller, you need to go out and get yourself a starter in free agency or by trade. But free agency, there are a lot of solid back of the rotation or even middle of the rotation arms out there. So I think that's definitely an area that they should explore. All right.

Next question here from Mark. We're sticking with Robbie Ray here. How many wins did the Ray and Marco injuries cost us? Not to let the front office or ownership off the hook, but I feel it was probably two to three wins. I think you're, yeah, I think you're pretty much on the money there. I mean, think about it like this, right? Don't even, we're not even talking about Brian Wu or Bryce Miller here. Like, what if Robbie Ray started the Emerson Hancock games, right?

I mean, not only that, like, you have to ever short script Robbie Ray. No. Or the East of McGee game or, you know, Tommy Malone games, whatever. But forget about that. Robbie Ray and Marco were going to give you close to 200 innings if they stayed healthy. Yeah. Think of how much less you have to use Matt Brash. He doesn't have to make 80 appearances in a year because guess what,

Ray and Mark are getting through six that day or or Topa or spire or whatever. Like your bullpen doesn't get used as much with those two guys because you did have to short script Miller sometimes. And you definitely had to short script woo. And like you said, you had to replace, uh, you know, a couple starts with, with, you know,

um, Emerson Hancock and, and Easton McGee and Tommy Malone and, and, you know, Chris Flexon. So, uh,

Yeah, I would say it's at least one to two, but two to three seems reasonable. And I know somebody will pull up the war and be like, well, actually, the wars were roughly what they were last year. And it's like, yeah, it doesn't really work that way, though. Because I think about it this way, when does Wu make his debut if both of those guys are healthy? Yeah. Also, the-July, August. The Emerson Hancock thing that I said was stupid because they actually went through, you know, when the games that Hancock started. obviously he didn't really help them at least in two of those starts you know the one that he got

very kyle gibsony yep right right right had to make that point i know you i know you just had to tell me i'm wrong but still i think you you get what i'm saying here though like they had to rotate a lot of guys through the back end of the rotation what if robbie ray makes those starts i i think it's safe to assume that you probably get a couple of additional wins there because of that at least right healthy robbie ray is still better than brys miller or brian lou yeah yeah absolutely all right so We got a few more questions to answer here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. But first, a reminder, this episode is brought to you by Bird Dogs. There is nothing in this world that's more comfortable than a pair of shorts from Bird Dogs.

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we're going to be talking about that on tomorrow's show, giving you our thoughts on what they had to say. Question. I assume John Stanton is there also. He is not. He is not. John Stanton is being a coward and hiding away from unfriendly media? As per usual, he is having Jerry DePoto and service and Justin Hollander take the arrows for him. Yes.

The guy who writes the checks? Yeah. Yeah. He's not taking questions that he can't control? Yep. What? You're a coward, John. Yep, agreed.

So yeah, we'll give you our thoughts on the, on the comments from Depoto, Holland, and service on tomorrow's show, mostly Depoto and Hollander. And, yeah, so far what we've seen, not great, but again, these guys are mostly taking the arrows for John Stanton. So we'll talk about all that on tomorrow's show. All right, back to these questions. Jace wants to know, will any of the options from this year, so Rojas, Ryan Bliss, Dylan Moore, Jose Caballero, finally step up to fill the black hole at second base or does the front office need to look outside the organization to fill it until Cole Young is ready. All right. So I'm going to cross a couple of names off the board right now immediately. Jose Caballero, no. Dillamore, no.

Ryan Bliss, like him as a prospect, I think he can help eventually down the road, but he should not be guaranteed anything. So no. Shouldn't be handed that job. Josh Rojas, I prefer him in a utility role. I prefer him to take on the role that Dillamore has. the last couple years and to be part of the solution over at third base if gino is still part of this thing in 2024 help take some of the load off of gino etc etc etc so with that yes they need to look outside of the organization uh to address second base in my opinion colby yeah um there's not really an acceptable answer at second base inside the org yeah uh you know we talked about this on our patreon show yesterday a little bit um i like Josh Rojas quite a bit. And I think he can play a big role in what the Mariners can do next year because he can play second, because he can play third. I just don't want him to have one position that he plays every single day. I want him to move around. I want to take advantage of his versatility. I want to make sure that Gino, whether he wants to or not, doesn't play 162 games next year. So I don't want Rojas to be the starting second basement. I want Rojas to get 400.

at bats. But I wanted to be a combination of third, second, you know, some first maybe. Rojas will essentially be an everyday player, but he's going to play multiple positions while doing it. Marwin Gonzalez. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I would like Rojas to be.

So in, you know, like Ty said, I think to accomplish that, you have to go outside the org. It doesn't mean Rojas can't get, you know, 70 games at second base, but it just means that Dylan Moore shouldn't you know, Dylan Moore and Ryan Bliss shouldn't make up the other 90, right?

You should go get somebody. And it's not a great class. You probably have to get a little creative with that. But, you know, there are some options out there. There are some trade pieces out there that could make some sense. So, yeah, I think you have to go outside the work to fix that because you just can't roll back the same infield

because clearly that's not good enough. One name that I would mention to just keep an eye on. And this is far from the only option. But it's someone that I feel we're probably going to talk about a little bit this offseason with Merrifield. he has a mutual option it's $18 million I don't think that the Blue Jays are going to pick that up so I feel pretty

confident that he's going to hit the open market this winter and we know that Jerry Depoto has targeted him targeted him in the past and we know that Jerry Dopoto loves to circle back on the guys that he has tried to acquire in the past so we'd keep an eye on Whitmerfield there for second base

also he's another guy that can play you know corner outfield as well and he's someone that can recab it on the base pass. He can lead off for you. Which, I mean, that's not going to happen with JP and Julio. But yeah, you know, he can do a lot of different things and fill a lot of different roles for you. So that would make sense. All right. Next question here from Andy with so many teams having young offensive weapons and non-competitive bullpins plus the O's losing Felix Batista.

Do you think we'll see a lot of trades from the bullpen this offseason for controllable bats? Is there anyone you'd want to target? in general, like across the league or with the Mariners. With the Mariners, no, like your bullpen needs to get better. You shouldn't subtract further from your bullpen. I mean, like, there's a deal out there for a hitter you like where, you know, a team just absolutely loves Justin Topper or Gabe Spire or Taylor Saucato, whatever. Okay, fine.

But like, you're not trading Matt Bras. You're not trading Andres Munoz unless you're getting just insane value for those guys, right? If you're getting an everyday, like, four plus win player for Matt Brash or whatever. Okay, sure. Yeah, we can talk about that. But like, that's not, that's not going to happen. So, yeah, the Mariners need to get better in the bullpen. They shouldn't subtract further from it unless, you know, just an amazing once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presents itself to them.

No, and typically bullpen trades are like when guys from the bullpen get traded, their secondary pieces to the deal. Like maybe you trade Brian Wu for the bad and then in order to kind of push the deal across the finish line, you add Justin Topa or, you know, Isaiah Campbell or whoever it is. It doesn't really matter. And no, I don't see them trading Munoz or Brash. They should be open to it. If, for example, Brash gets you Randy at Rosarena, fine. Like, you talk about that. But if, like, you're trading Brash for Anthony Santander one year of him, like, no, that doesn't make sense.

Like, that's, that's no. So, yeah, I don't think we're going to see a lot of trades from the bullpen. Jerry always tweaks the bullpen like that. The mayor, every team does, and he'll add some guys probably off the scrap heap and they'll probably be pretty good. Maybe this is the year they go out and they spend a little bit. I mean, I don't think they're going to go get like Josh Hater or anything like that. But, you know, maybe they go trade a prospect for, you know, somebody else's map rash or something like that. But no, in general, I don't think you're going to see like the groundbreaking.

Like, Andres Munoz has been traded for, you know, pick a guy. I don't know. South Ray, like, like, whatever it is. I, you know, I don't think you're going to see anything like that. Yeah. You might see Topa for a prospect or you might see like more and and Saucato for X, but I don't think you're going to see any kind of like, I don't think you're going to see a deal where the bullpen piece carries it.

And, and you're tacking on. So. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe it's like spire for Santiago, Espinall or something like that. Okay. Sure. Yeah. you know but um yeah i don't i don't foresee you know brash moot going anywhere i don't see

munio's going anywhere and i and like if they were to trade one of spire topa sasado etc it's only going to be one of those guys i don't think they're going to trade multiple of those guys unless they have a bigger grander plan in the bullpen but i think it's mostly i think this offseason mostly in terms of the bullpen is just going to be about bullseeing what's already there right um you know especially if woo is you know penciled into the rotation plans and all like because that could be a bullpen option for you. Yeah. But yeah, I mean like is it possible we see another Eric Swanson and Adam Mako for Teosca Hernandez type of deal?

Sure, but I think that's the extent of it. Yeah. But I also, I don't know if you even have a Eric Swanson this year. I guess Topa is the closest thing. Pretty close. Yeah, it's pretty close. But yeah. But remember, it's like Topa and Locklear or whatever.

Right, yeah. I got what you're saying. All right. We got a couple more questions to answer here. on mailbag Tuesday. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Fandle. Celebrate the start of the NFL season

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press conference with Jerry Depoto, Justin Hollander, and Scott's service. but for now, I'm going to answer a couple of more questions and get the hell up out of here. All right, Moosman wants to know what are the top three positions that need to be upgraded on this team? I will get the Mariners back in the playoffs, 24. So I'm going to cheat a little bit here. I'm going to say corner outfield, but I really only need one answer there. Like you have to at least get one answer there. You have to add one player to fill.

either right field or left field and then Calanick could play right field or left field whatever second base we already talked about that we already talked about the reasons for it all that I would throw a corner infield here

as well but I'm I'm sure you're going to mention it so I'm going to mention high leverage reliever I think it's very very crucial that you get another high leverage reliever in here to pair with Brash and Munoz to basically fill the Paul C roll or

you know fill Matt Brash's role when Paul C-Wald was here or Phil Andreas Munoz's role when Paul C-Wold was here etc, et cetera, et cetera. You just need another high-leverage guy. Go get that guy this off-season. I don't care who it is. Just go get that guy. If only you already had a Paul Seawald. Anyways, I'm going to cheat too. I'm going to give

you four. B-A-T-S. I don't care where they play. I don't. I don't. Because if you could play left-field, I could teach you to play first base. I don't need you to be like, because, look, you don't need a shortstop. a catcher, well, a starting catcher. You don't need a center fielder.

Those are the only positions I feel like I can't teach you to play. Third base a little bit too, but if you have Gino, you have Rojas, you're covered there. Yep. So I think the only position that I like need somebody who's like actually played it before and played it pretty well, second base. I can teach you how to play left field. I can teach you how to play right field. I can teach you how to play first base. I can teach you how to DH.

You need bats. You are two all-star quality bats short. Yeah, I mean, you do need defense, like in the corneroff because we've seen, you know, I'll figure out. I need bats. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the most important thing. First and foremost. If you can hit, I'll find a way to put you on the field.

Okay. And the fact that first base is wide open right now or should be, D.H is wide open right now or should be in left field in T-Mobile Park, which isn't that difficult of a position to play. Yeah, I can make it work. So you need bats. Bats is the main priority. does that mean you should ignore starting pitching? No, you shouldn't. Does that mean you should ignore the bullpen?

No, you shouldn't. But the priority has to be bats. You either need two like 130 WRC plus types or you need like a 145, 150 and like a 110 guy. And you need and you need guys on your bench too. Well, that's the thing, right? It's like in that place to the whole DH thing is like if you're going to do this again where you want to rotate guys through the DH, you need to get enough good hitters to justify that unlike this year you can't go into next year where you're trying to sell us on

rotating cooper hummel and Tommy listella and all that through through the dhs we're gonna let sam haggerty dh against rites because he's so good or unacceptable because he's so good nope no Dylan Moore no and even even mike ford appreciate the contributions for Mike ford but mike ford has his obvious limitations I would yeah but if you're if mike ford you want Mike for to be in your everyday lineup he's a dh go get a better DH than Mike Ford. Because clearly if you have Mike Ford,

you're willing to have a full-time DH because that's all Mike Ford is. So go get Jorge Salare, go get, JD Martinez, go get, you know, Shoet or whatever.

Like trade for JD Davis. Right. Like go get a, go get a legit DH who's had more than like 35 games of major league success. So yeah, it's bats. You need bats.

I think perfect world. One of them plays second base. but if you can't get a second basement and it's like, well, I want to, I want to trade for this 130 WRC plus guy, but, you know, he only plays first base and DH and he can kind of fake it in left field, like, but he doesn't play second. So what?

You know, there are scenarios where Rojas says your starting second basement is fine, but that scenario is significant upgrades at first base, DH, left field, slash right field and probably both and the bench. So go get bats. And I agree. Don't get, you know, 100 WRC plus, but they have a 120 WRC plus against left-handed pitching. Go get everyday players, period. Yep.

Everyday players. That's exactly what you need. You need to fill out at least three starting rules and possibly even more. And ideally, you push the guys that you're supplementing down into bench rolls. that's the ideal roster build for me this winter is moving guys like Joshua Rojasin to a position where he's coming off the bench, he's still playing a lot,

but he's coming off the bench. Like he is still a bench guy traditionally. Good speaking. All right. Last question of the afternoon. This one comes from Jonathan to the fans. Like Jared Kelnick more than this organization does, the way they basically refuse to let him face

left-handed pitching down the stretch and even went with other options. a pinch hit ahead of JK coupled with his self-inflicted injury. This team ready to move on. Look, we're, you know, we say this all the time, but we're not inside the clubhouse. We're not inside the front office. So we don't know how the organization actually feels about Jerry Kellick. Colby, you and I talked about this on our Patreon show a little bit yesterday in terms of like,

do we think that they're kind of over Jared? Do we think that they could trade Jared, et cetera? And you said that you think that. they don't think he's an all-star caliber player anymore. Or at least that's what you're kind of theorizing. Could you expand on that just a little bit more and just your thoughts overall on Kellnick and the organization? Sure. When they acquired Jared Kalnick, the idea was that he is going to be an all-star and he is going to be kind of like as good or like the right-hand man of Julio.

And those two guys were going to be on multiple all-star teams and they were going to hit three and four and blah, blah, blah. I don't think they feel that way about Jared anymore. But I do think that only a fool would look at, you know, what he did this year and say like, okay, I feel like Jared's at not like, I feel like Jared is a bus. Like he's not at least an everyday player. Because Kellnick was a, he was a two-win player in 105 games or something like that, 110 games. Like that's a three-win season over the course of what 162. That's an everyday player.

And then some. And yeah, some of that is carried by his offense in. April, but he's also a good base runner. He's a good defender. You know, he doesn't chase a lot. Like they're, and he's 23 freaking years old. So I think that the Mariners probably, and again, I don't know, but the Mariners had opportunities to trade Kelnick last year.

They didn't like it. They didn't like the offers they were getting. Teams were trying to kind of, um, obviously buy low, but like really low. Like, hey, do you want to give up on Jared Kellnick and the Mariners said no. Uh, so I find it a little hard to believe. honestly that Kelnick would have the year he had. And the mayors would just be like, oh, well, clearly, like, it's not going to happen. Like, they would use this year as a justification for him not, like, you know, being part of their future plans

because they staked a lot on him being good this offseason, right? They made sure that he had a clear path to at bats, which is not something you and I liked. And there were struggles, certainly, but there was also really good highs. and you know there were glimpses even in the struggle of what was coming and there was definitely improvement there absolutely was so i i would feel like it'd be kind of counterproductive to stick with kellynick all this all this time see him have kind of this this breakout season where he's an average major league everyday player and then be like now we're out now we're out on them i don't i don't buy that i don't right right and i feel like jared just is

on the whole by a lot of people within the fan base and just kind of around the league is inaccurately classified as having character issues. I don't think he has character issues. I think he's just an ultra competitive dude who's still really young. And in the case of, you know, the injury just made a really stupid decision in the moment. And that's it.

Yeah. It's, I know, it's funny how many people will jump to the defense of Julio Rodriguez because he's only 22. Yeah. But not apply that same standard. Jared Kelnick because Jared Kelnick is 23. Right.

Yeah. You see some unfairness here. And I get why you do it because Julio's a lot better than Jared Kelnick. So you want to, you want to defend him and all that stuff. Fine. But like, if you're going to use age as an excuse to, you know,

defend, uh, Julio for his abysmal last two weeks, then apply it fairly to, to Jared Kelnick. So yeah. Um, yeah. Do I think the mayor,

I think the mayor is would trade him. Like I don't think that he's like, no, we're building around Jared Kellick. I don't think they feel that way anymore, whereas two years ago, I think they did. But I get a deal that makes sense. Like I think they absolutely pull the trigger on it.

Yeah. Well, but like, but let's be clear about this. It's not like they were like, oh, you want Jared Kellnick for Brian Reynolds? No,

we're not like Jared Kellnick's the breaking point. No, that didn't happen. But this off season, might they be more like, hey, Jared Kellnick for, I'm just making up a name,

Anthony Santander. It's like, maybe. I think they consider. I think Santander only has one year left though. Yeah, he does. Whatever, you get the idea. It's like, hey,

Jared Kelnick could be this guy in two years, and you have them for four more seasons after this year. But, or would you rather have the guy you think Kelnick could be, but only for two years instead of four, and you take less risk. Like, I think they can make a move like that, but now, I don't think they've given up on him.

And I, are the fans higher on him than the team maybe? I mean, the fans are higher on pretty much everybody. Yeah, I mean, well, it depends on what sect of Mariners fandom you're looking at as well, because there's a lot of Mariners fans that hate Jared. And, you know, that was only, you know, pushed even further by the injury and everything that happened with that as well, which is, again, in my opinion, incredibly stupid. Yeah, the toxic masculinity crowd.

Absolutely stupid. Yeah, the whole, like that side of it, that whole reaction to the Jared, injury still annoys me to this day. Again, I just think that he's an ultra-competitive dude, and he's just really young. And in that moment, made a mistake that I don't think he'll make again, right? And you want ultra-competitive dudes on your team. If you want to go to the playoffs and have success on the playoffs

and win a World Series, you want guys that are competitive. You want competitors. So, yeah, if they stick with Jared, I totally get it, 100%, and I totally support that 100%. all right that's going to do it for us unless there's anything you want to add here colby before we get on out of here nope yes no i mean uh no i just come out of hiding john stanton we got questions and uh i think we're i think we deserve answers considering the uh the price increases stop sending jerry out there stop sending uh justin out there we want to hear from you man we want to

hear from you, man. We want to hear from you. Bucks stuff with you, man. Yeah, you're the, you're the one that controls this whole thing. Really. Come out of the shadows. Yeah. Answer some questions. Go on some platforms that aren't 710. Will they just lob softball? What's your favorite baseball food? Nobody cares about that stuff, John. You love to talk when nobody can answer questions. John, I'll make this statement right now. John, we'd love to have you on the Lockdown Eras podcast. Have, you know, email us or have someone email us, which, which is more likely here. Email us at Lockdown Merrers at Gmail.com.

And no, we're not going to lobby softballs like certain other, you know, platforms will. But if you want to, if you want to be open and honest, then we would love to have you on the show. We want to have a hard conversation. We'll do it here. And by us. All right. That's going to do it for a show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast.

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