Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag: Should Mariners Move Julio Out of Leadoff Spot?

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

After their brief hiatus, Colby and Ty are back with their weekly mailbag segment! On today's episode, the guys talk about moving Julio Rodriguez out of the leadoff spot and who should replace him. Additionally, speculation on whether Bryce Miller can shift the Mariners' trade deadline plans, if Scott Servais is too lenient, and how Jose Caballero can change the roles of Sam Haggerty and Dylan Moore.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11FanDuelMake Every Moment More. Don’t miss the chance to get your No Sweat First Bet up to ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS in Bonus Bets when you go FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, it's time for Julio to move down the lineup, but who should replace them? We'll discuss that and more on today's mailbag episode of the Locked on Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Ahoi, sailors. It is Tuesday, May 9th, 2023. This is tighting is Olis and Colby Patnav for the Locked On Mariners podcast.

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And this episode is our weekly mailbag. We're going to be answering your Mariners questions. But before that, a reminder you can catch tonight's game between the Mariners and the Rangers on the Mariners hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM app. First question here comes from Cody, who asks, do you think it's time to move Julio down the order for a bit? Maybe move Jared Kellnick or J.P. Crawford to the leadoff spot. Seems like Julio is in way too many key situations,

and he's just not getting it done right now. You would be correct in that assessment. He is not getting it done right now, and that has been very much put on display over the last couple of games, really since he hit that home run near the start of Sunday's game. It's been rough. It's been a rough watch. He struck out multiple times.

He ended into an awful double play yesterday. And it really doesn't seem like he's necessarily, like there's a mechanical issue or something like that. It's just he's making bad swing decisions. His whole plate approach right now. now is awful, truly. And that's being reflected in the numbers as well. Colby, he is, Leo Rodriguez is 13 for his last 76.

Really bad. That's a 171 average during that time. This is a problem. And it's one that is really hurting the team right now. Again, in some really key situations, you've had an opportunity there with the bases loaded one out and last night's game to expect. ban your lead and instead he goes first pitch swinging and drives it right to Josh Young for an easy, easy, easy double play. So yeah, he needs to be moved down the lineup because he

has not earned the right to get the most at bats out of anyone in this lineup. Do you agree with that statement? And if so, who do you think should take his spot for the time being? Because I think this is a, you know, this is a temporary thing. Once he starts turning around, you want him back in that lead-off spot. But again, for the time being, while he's trying to figure it out, who do you think should take that role? And if you don't agree,

why should we wait a little bit longer to see if Julio can figure it out? No, it's probably time. I guess the one reason you should probably wait if there was one is that there's not an overwhelming number of options that make more sense than Julio, even a struggling Julio. But I think it's probably time

because, you know, like you mentioned, moving a guy off of his primary spot in the lineup is not a permanent thing. It never has to be a permanent thing. It can be a one game thing. It could be a hundred game thing. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. But in the meantime, you have to protect the team in a way, and you have to give your team the best shot to win games. And you have to do that over the feelings of, you know, an individual player. Julio is not bigger than the Seattle Mariners.

right so it's just one of those things it seems like he is and maybe some people out there think he is but he's not he's one of 26 guys and you have to do what's best for the other 25 um so hulio will get this figured out i'm not worried about it long term i'm i'm really not worried about julio he's still going to have a really good season this year this is just bad i mean it's straight up bad there's really no way around it julio himself would tell you that he's kind of floating between different game plans like almost seemingly between every pitch sometimes he's overly aggressive sometimes he's way too cautious and he's taking pitches down the pipe early in at bats. And then when the guy, when guys get on base, he's typically overly aggressive and he swings

at the first pitch he sees. And he's just a mess right now. So yeah, I think you do have to move him down. Again, there's not an overwhelming number of options right now. I think the easiest option would probably be J.P. Crawford. You put him in the leadoff spot, assuming he's healthy, which we don't know, scratch from yesterday's game after he fouled the ball off. off on Sunday.

Said he was going to be back today, but he said he was going to be back yesterday. So we'll see. We'll see how that goes. But I think JP is probably your best bet. And then honestly right now, I don't think there's any reason to have Julio inside the top four. It probably should go assuming health. JP, Thai France, Cal Raleigh, Jared Kelnick, or you flip Raleigh and Kelnick, probably hit Julio 5, I think is probably the best spot.

Maybe six behind Gino, even. even. You just, you have to take some of the pressure off here and you have to, you have to go to work and you have to do what's best for your team. And right now, the guy who's most likely to get on base for you is J.P. Crawford. That's the most important thing. And you have, you know, Ty France hitting second and he has started to turn it around. He is on a nice little role right now. So I think those are your two best hitters at this moment. So they probably should be hitting one and to and probably in that order. I don't think you want tie leading off.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but there are some limitations at a speed present that would be troubling in a lead-off spot. But yeah, I think it's JP would probably be your best bet. And then, you know, I think it's probably France, Raleigh, Kelnick, Gino, Julio, Pollock and Pollock slash Tramel

Wong slash Cabiero or Teosker and then Wong slash Cabiero like something like that so yeah I think Puglio should probably be hitting probably no higher than fourth but

yeah I think JPM is probably the right answer well we got asked about J.P. from Teddy here. J.P. is approaching 150 plate appearances that he starts this messes off with he continues by saying if he continues getting on base at this rate that he has do you see

Scott start putting him first in the order though he's been producing beautifully at the bottom of the order the last few weeks so maybe that's more valuable JP's ability to get on base would be incredibly valuable right now at the top of the Mariners order also on top of that

he is producing with the bases loaded it's 4-4-10 RBI you know, as opposed to what Julio's been doing with the bases loaded, which you saw last night. We just talked about that. So, um,

JP's just coming through right now with, in some big moments and with guys and scoring position. And so keep that going. Go with the hot hand. Right. Lineups can be fluid. Every single day you can have a different lineup. There's nothing that's restricting you from not doing that.

So just play the hot hand. and go by committee, really. You don't even have to necessarily have JP hit leadoff every single day. But right now, I think that is your best option until proven otherwise, right? So, yeah, go with JP. And I agree with you that Julio should probably be hitting somewhere in the middle of the order, in the middle third of the order, and at the back half of that as well, probably five or six. So, yeah.

And, you know, to real quick address what you said about typeframing, though like I don't care about the speed element I just want a good hitter hitting first in my line I guarantee to have the most of bats in my lineup in that situation with bases loaded you know in one out I know Ty Francis hit into a hell of a lot of double plays you know this season don't get me wrong I'm I'm totally not ignoring that fact but right now I feel a lot more confident in his ability to to get the double there get get a single there then then Julio so the last five games carries more weight than the previous 15

Well, because of also Ty Francis' track record in general, combined, you know, that I believe that Ty France is closer to the hair that he's been for most of his career rather than those 15 games. Yeah, to me, that still is a better fit at number two than it is leadoff. Because the J.P. Crawford, to answer this question, is going to get on base at this rate. He's at 38%. 3.78 on base. Now, look, do I think he's going to continue to do that all year?

No, he's running an 18% walk rate right now. That's that's really high. Doesn't mean I see a reason why it's going to immediately decline just from moving them up in the order. No. And I still want Thai France there to drive in runs. And if I have Wong or Cabriero hitting 9 and I have JP hitting first, then I have more opportunities for Thai France to drive and runs. So, yeah, like if I'm if I'm shaking up the bottom of the order, then I still want guys in the middle. And I still right now, even though I would hit like Raleigh 3 or Kelnick 3,

they're kind of working through their own stuff right now. Kelnick still looks okay. He's still hitting the ball hard. He's just, you know, running in some outs here. And he's stringing together, you know, a couple bad games here and there. But he still looks pretty good. So maybe Kelnick is the answer at leadoff. But honestly, I'm fine keeping Kelnik where he is.

Like there's a lot of, there are some creative ways of marriage could go about this. And if they hit Ty France lead off, I really don't care all that much. mine, whatever. The important part I think is you move JP up right now. You kind of ride the hot hand. But to me, if you're going to move JP up from seven, it's got to be one or two. I'd only kidding him three, four, five really makes a lot of sense. No, not at all. You're just not enough pop there. No, he should be hitting lead off. Like, again, I wasn't saying, I wasn't advocating for Ty to hit lead off. I'm just saying if they did. Exactly what you were doing. If we got the lineup today, though, and Ty was hitting one, I wouldn't have an issue with it because he runs like he's in

wet cement. sure they are facing a lefty today so that might change things as well it might not be a bad day to get Jared Kelnick a day off yeah we haven't seen a j. Pollock in a little while so yeah it'd be nice to see him I believe is it two consecutive lefties next few days oh they didn't announce a starter yeah they haven't announced a starter for yesterday's game right or for tomorrow's game yeah yeah it's heaney tonight and then we'll see about tomorrow is that the degram spot I think so.

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And again, you can catch the Mariners and the Rangers on the Mariners hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM tonight if you're not able to watch or if you just prefer listening to the game. Sometimes I like doing that. So let's get back into these questions. This one comes from Nick.

Do you think Scott's service is hindering the team's ability to grow by not holding players more accountable when effort slash play may dip? I assume that you're really asking about like why does Scott not bench anyone during games for mental mistakes because we don't know if he's holding guys accountable or not behind the scenes. None of us are in that clubhouse. So he very well may be doing that. He might be chewing guys out. I mean, that doesn't really seem like his character, but chewing guys out in his own

Scott Service dad way, you know, but we really don't know if he's, if he's doing that, if he's handling things in a more disciplinary fashion behind the scenes. And maybe it's just, you know, part of his philosophy that he feels that that's the better approach to doing things, doing it privately, then some sort of public display of, you know, taking a guy out of the game in the first, second, third inning. We talked about this with the A. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. O'Henio, Svarez, when Colby said, Souris should have been benched for getting picked off by Corvin-Berns in that Milwaukee game,

which I assume you stand by. But that's probably what Scott's philosophy ultimately is, is just to handle things more privately if I had to guess. Because, frankly, if he wasn't doing at least some of that, holding guys, accountable in some sort of way he probably wouldn't have a job right now in seattle yeah you know it's frustrating as it can be sometimes with scott um i don't think i don't like i don't like scott has tremendous feel for like in-game moments um i think he is a great communicator i think he is a great um adjudicator i think he's a great uh he's a great team builder which he's proven here in seattle and that includes us the coaching staff and when the analytics folks and

and his coaching staff come together and say, if we get into this situation, this is what we should do. I think he does it 100% of the time, which isn't wrong per se. But I think sometimes there's some feel for you, you have to have a feel for your team. You have to have a feel for your guys.

And you have to understand that there are factors that just they can't be, they can't be explained that pop up in the middle of the game. And you can't possibly have, you know, prepared for every single scenario. And I don't think Scott's got great. feel for that. I think he kind of panicked sometimes when the plan doesn't get followed or he has to make a decision that might go against the plan. That's where I think Scott really fails. But when it comes to relationships, when it comes to building a clubhouse and all that stuff, you have to trust the guy.

He's won 90 games in back-to-back years. He probably should have been manager of the year in back-to-back years. Players love to play for him. So I think this is really more about his philosophy of, you know, you praise publicly, you condemn privately. And that's just kind of who Scott is. And, you know, it's probably unfair of me and others to expect Scott to radically change who he's been for the last six years. But, you know, it doesn't mean it's not frustrating at times to see Scott. Because what it can look like is that Scott is just kind of like, you know, whatever, not a big deal when they are big deals. But we don't know what happens behind closed doors.

And, you know, Scott's done really good things with this club, including, you know, weathering the, the Kyle Seeger situation, the Kendall Graveman situation, obviously, you know, keeping the team together during a pandemic when there was real issues in that clubhouse regarding certain policies and whatnot. So, yeah, I think you just have to trust Scott when it comes to the team building aspect. But yeah, that doesn't mean he's a perfect manager. That doesn't mean he's without his warts. And like I said, I don't think he's great. I don't think he has a great feel for situations.

I think sometimes it's a really stubborn. in like this is what we decided we're going to do. So we're going to do it no matter what. Sometimes there's just a feel thing that you have to have. And I don't think Scott's got that. But the other stuff he does really well more than makes up for it. So yeah, I'm willing to live with some frustrating Scott nights because I know overall the payoff is significantly better than if you have some, you know, brilliant tactician who divides a

clubhouse and half and allows that to fester. I'd rather have Scott's side of management than. the opposite essentially. Next question here comes from Sage. Any updates on who you think is a good option for another arm to replace Robbie Ray this season is Lance Lynn still in the picture yet? Lance Lynn, Lucas G. Alito, Jack Flaherty, Jordan Montgomery. You know, just look at the teams that are currently struggling, right?

And you really need to look at teams like the White Sox, the Cardinals, because teams like the A's and the Nationals don't really have anything to offer you on that front. but if you're a mariner's fan who thinks that this team is going to add at the deadline and add to its rotation at the deadline, then you need to continue rooting for teams like the White Sox and the Cardinals to be bad because those are going to be your best opportunities to add a significant starter to this rotation this summer.

So I would look at those few names that I mentioned. Colby, you have any others that you've looked at? No, you know, just Alex Wood, San Francisco is kind of an interesting team. I think right now you're more looking for teams that could fall off than specific players. But yeah, Lynn would still be an option. And again, this is assuming a couple things, you know, A, that the Mariners are in fact buyers around deadline time. B, that these other teams that we're talking about are in fact sellers at the deadline. And, you know, also what does the rotation look like?

Is Marco, you know, is Marco a three and a half one guy? Is Bryce Miller three and a half one guy? Well, maybe you don't need a Lanselin. maybe you can go get a, you know, more of a number five starter type. Right. And focus on the offense. So yeah, I think right now names are still a little early. I think we're about probably five or six weeks away from really starting to hone in on names.

And in particular, teams, I think by mid-May, by mid-June, sorry, most teams know in their heart of hearts. They really know if they're buying or selling. There's going to be more buyers than ever, fewer sellers because there's more playoff spots up for grabs. but yeah, Lynn still makes sense if the White Sox continue to struggle, Gialito, all those guys make a lot of sense. So, yeah, just, you know, monitor over the next few weeks teams that might go on winning streaks or losing streaks and just be weary of that. And I think by mid-June, we'll have a pretty good idea of who is a seller, who's a buyer. And that's when teams like Pittsburgh will know what Pittsburgh really is. We'll know what Baltimore really is, et cetera.

So, yeah. Right. And, you know, I think. once we get to the summer, if this team is in a position to buy, it might need to make a decision on where to put most of its focus in terms of adding to this roster and adding impact to this roster. Because I think you might have to pick one or the other between pitching and position players to add actual legitimate impact because of the state of your farm. Look, we're pretty high on where the farm is still even after all the graduations. And plus, they're going to be adding more talent to it through the draft this year in a massive way with those three essentially. first round picks, but that sentiment might not be shared around the rest of the league. And so the interest level in your prospects and your assets might be a little down compared

to some of the other contenders that you're going to be competing for these guys with. So are you going to be in a position where adding to your rotation makes the most sense, even if you do have a clear spot to upgrade there? Or does it make more sense to go out and get like two really good bats to add to this lineup, which right now is near the bottom of the American League in almost every category, right? And who knows if that actually continues? There's still so much baseball to be played. So those are questions that we're going to have to answer weeks and weeks and weeks down the road.

Because again, we don't even know if this team is going to be buying. But I do wonder if it gets to a point where, yeah, there is a need in the rotation, but the need offensively is greater and you can really only pick one. But we'll see. maybe I'm wrong on that front. All right. More questions coming up here. This one comes from Chad.

Does Bryce Miller's early success change the trade deadline for us? If he strings together a couple more quality starts, does our main priority switch back to acquiring a bat to start in the lineup? So I mean, that kind of goes in line with what I was saying at the end there. But, Colby, let's get your thoughts on this. Yeah. I think Miller's success is it's obviously something that could change how you approach the deadline. We've talked about this yesterday on our Patreon show, but it doesn't necessarily mean it does because it's only been two starts.

So if he does string together, you know, I think he's probably going to have, what, 15 starts between, now in the deadline, maybe 12 something, something in that range, give or take. Yeah. Yeah, if he's 10, 11, 12 starts and he's looks like a number of a really good number four, number three pitcher, it might. It might change the priority because here's the deal. While the Mariners can afford to do both, it doesn't make it smart to do both. It doesn't make it smart to go out and get a number three start.

and go get the best, the most expensive bat that's on the market because you're not looking at this as a one-year window thing. You're looking at this as a multiple-year window. So would Miller stringing together starts, could that change the desire or the primary focus at the deadline? Yes, it could, especially if Marco is also pitching relatively well. I still think they're going to want to add a starter, but the quality of starter that they are willing to go after is probably going to be dictated by how well Bryce Miller throws. So it's kind of a lot of pressure. pressure on Bryce long term, but, you know, it is what it is. And right now, I think that if I had to make a choice and I, you could either prioritize offense or pitching. Right now I'd probably still pick offense, but that could change really quick because there are a lot of guys in this lineup who we expect to produce who are not right now. And if they all start to, then you might look at and say, I mean, we could use a platoon bat or we could use a bench bat or two. But like now we don't have to go get, you know, and half.

Tim Anderson. Yeah, like you don't have to go get the big bat. Now you just kind of need role players. And you can go get the number three starter instead. So it kind of depends. But yes, there is a possibility that Miller throwing the ball well for the next month and a half will get the Mariners to kind of shift their focus back to adding bats at the deadline. Yeah.

For me, it's going to be interesting to see if they ever have a question of, is this actually a need in the rotation or is it just a luxury? add another starter. What is going to get you deeper into October? Because if you're going to have to pick one or the other, you were going to have to ask yourself that. What is more important here? Am I comfortable with Bryce Miller starting games in the postseason?

Or Marco Gonzalez starting games deep into the postseason? Or, you know, am I fine? And then can I just transition most of my focus over to the offense? So that's going to be a debate that we're going to have to have a lot over the course of the next couple months here on the show if this team, you know, does get on a roll here, starts to turn things around and does look like it's shaping up to be a buyer by the end of July. But again, a lot of baseball to be played. So until those questions really are answered, I just, I don't have a solid answer for you.

Next question here comes from Josh. How much, if at all, does Jose Caballero becoming a usable bench piece impact Dillimore's role on the team if slash when he is? healthy and by the way folks we're dealing with a little bit of lag so if you see a delay and responses or anything like that that's that's why it keeps on giving us alerts over here so yeah Dillamore if he gets back how does the presence of Cabiero kind of change that Colby um if at all right I don't think it does really I think right now Cabbiero is a guy who's going to be on this roster. Like, if Dillmore came back tomorrow,

Sam Haggarty would be the guy they'd send down. They wouldn't even think twice about it because Cabrero is actually producing. So I think the role for Dylan Moore is essentially, maybe the one change is that maybe he's, they're more open to playing him in the outfield a little bit more. Because if you remember coming into this year, they were pretty dead set on like, he's going to be a second baseman shortstop and occasionally third base.

he will not play in the outfit as much as he did last year. So, yeah, I don't think it really changes all that much. I think maybe what you see is you see more games where J.P. Crawford's on the bench against a lefty. Because they've used Crawford a lot still. And that's one of the things we talked about. By having Dillmore focus only on shortstop and second base by just being an infielder, you could give J.P. Crawford 20, 30 days off, which he needs because traditionally, Crawford has really, he's really faded as the season went on.

He really isn't built to play 155 games. So I think maybe that's where you could see Cabrero and Moore, both, you know, helping your team. But yeah, I don't think that Dylan Moore's role is going to be changed all that much if he gets back 100% healthy, which honestly right now is a pretty big if. Again, I know I keep on saying this. I know it's a really boring answer, but there's still a lot of baseball left to be played. we don't know if Jose Cabrero is going to be good by the time that Dillamore gets back, if Dillamore gets back, right? We don't know.

I mean, so far it's been awesome to watch. He's a really fun watch right now, Jose Cabiero. He seems to do something that, you know, once every single game that he plays in. It's, he's just a solid ball player, you know. But how far can he take that, right? Because we saw Sam Haggaddy have a really good, you know,

summer when they went on that wind streak and everything. and then he started to tail off and now we're you know you see what sam haggerty looks like right now same thing could happen for cabriero who again was a a long-time minor leaguer you know uh you didn't it took him a while to get to the major league level um and he just hasn't you know he doesn't really have any like outstanding tools right but he's a good he's just a good solid ball player i just don't know how long that's going to last because just what his profile is right Right. Yeah, I have to say, though, yesterday JP got scratched late. And the easy answer is, well, with JP dealing with his knee and Wong, not in the original lineup, okay, Haggerty plays second base, Cabrero plays shortstop. And they chose to go with a less than 100% Colton Wong instead of Haggerty. If that's the case, Sam Haggerty should not be on this roster because you've essentially turned Haggerty into Tommy Lestella.

If you're not going to use him in this specific situation where you think you can't, then he shouldn't be on the roster because you went out there with a second baseman who was limited. And Wong actually had a pretty decent game. He didn't look like he was suffering from any kind of injury. Maybe he got a couple new ones after being hit on the shin a couple times. But he was actually at good range at second,

made a couple nice plays out there. So it didn't look like the wrist was bothering him. But still, he wasn't in the original lineup. then they had to make a change and they still wouldn't use Haggerty they don't want to use Haggerty you shouldn't be on this team period

right so I thought that was weird yeah no I did find that very weird as well and it just seems like this team really just it wants to operate with just 12 offensive players rather than 13 but they can't but they have to have at least 13 because you can't have more than 13 pitchers on the roster so

it's oh it left you on the mound today if Haggerty's not in the lineup Yeah. Like just further evidence, they do not trust him to, to, they don't think he's a major leagherty. If Hagerty's not in the lineup today, after what we saw tomorrow, there's no chance. You can convince me that they look at Sam Haggary and be like, yep, he's a majorly quality player, even though we literally went with, you know, 75% Colton Wong over him. The day after we said Wong was going to be out two or three days and we didn't have him in an original lineup for today. So again, you know, like Haggerty, Cabrero does have the profile of a 4A guy.

you know so and and even though he's been a lot of fun to watch the last two weeks doesn't really change my mind about that you know so I'm still you know you still kind of have to be wary of is he going to fall off at some point because there's nothing than that bat that's really you know overwhelming to suggest that he's going to be able to sustain this kind of offensive production although you know Dillamore was also a 4A guy it's true so yeah

It's so it doesn't, you know. Sometimes these guys pop and they, they carve out a roll. Yeah. But most of the time, what happens is they come up. They have a good, you know, a couple weeks or a month as they kind of, the league kind of adjust to them. And then they get over exposed and then you end up with a hole again. Yeah.

So maybe that's not Cabbiero. Maybe he's one of the guys who beats the odds. But yeah. If you're playing the odds, that's what he is. Yeah. So that's a long winded way of saying that let's just pump the brakes on like cabiero is a part of the long term plan here. what do you do once Dylan Moore gets back

and all this stuff? Or what do you do at the deadline because of Cabiero? None of that really matters right now. We've got to see if he can sustain this over the next couple of months until we get to that point really and then we can have that discussion. But for now let's just wait and see. Let's enjoy the ride with Jose Cabiero because it's been

a lot of fun to watch but let's let's pump the brakes just a little bit. All right. Last question of the day. Very quick one from Max here. I'm wondering what websites you guys use to get instant metrics from games. like what sources did you use to get Bryce Miller spin rate numbers right after a start? Baseball Savant.

It's a major league baseball, like an official major league baseball website that's powered by Amazon, Amazon Web Services, and they have all the tracking data from the ball clubs being filtered into that website live in real time. So every single pitch, every single bat a ball, everything like that. All the data from that gets put into baseball savant. like a minute or two after it happens on the field, if that. So, and that all gets collected on one game page that you can, you can look at. And they also have individual pages for players, et cetera.

So, yeah, so check that out. If you haven't already, baseball savant.com, it's a really handy tool that Colby and I use a lot on this show for a lot of our discussions. I also use fan graphs. Colby uses baseball reference a lot. Oh, man, there goes the there goes the light. It's about time. That's probably a wrap it up sign.

It's about time that it finally happened during a show, during a locked on episode. It's happened a couple times on our live stream, but never on locked on. So there was. At least it didn't crash and everything turned off. All right. Yeah, like you said,

I think that's a pretty good sign with your lag issues and my set trying to fall apart and kill me. live on this show. It's time for us to get the hell out of here. All right. That's going to do a first show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast for Colby Pat Node. I'm Tadangonzal. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L-O underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez. It's T-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-A-E-E-P-A-T-1-F. Follow us on Instagram and TikTok as well over at Locked-on Mariners. That's one word Locked-on Mariners. You can

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