Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag: What Is Going on With Kyle Seager?

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode answer your Mariners questions from the latest development in the Kyle Seager saga to whether or not Cal Raleigh will be on the Opening Day roster in 2022.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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visit patreon.com.com forward slash control the zone for more information and help us get to 80 patrons. It's mailback Monday here on Lockdown. Mariner's will be answering your Mariners questions that you submitted to us on Twitter. If you like what you hear, give the show a follow or subscribe wherever you're listening to this. Colby, we're going to start this thing off with what everyone's talking about right now with Kyle Seeger, of course.

Kyle Seeger, of course, was made aware that he will not have his club option picked up via email. And that was the headline at least. but there's more information that's been given out about how that all went down. And we have a question about that from Harry Depoto at H. Depoto on Twitter. Was the Seeger not answering Jerry's phone call thing blown out of proportion? Because, of course, in the report, Seeger did not answer any of Jerry Depoto's calls or the front office calls. And that's why they ended up sending the email.

Harry Depoto This is going to be hard to To differentiate the two The meme account and the real Jerry DePoto but Harry DePoto on Twitter added Also do you guys really think Seeger intentionally didn't pick up the phone When DePoto called him or is there any chance

That he just didn't see the calls and decided not to return them? So Yes This has been blown out of proportion Yes Well in terms of the blame being put on Jerry to Poto in the front office solely.

You know, everyone's quick to curse the Seattle Mariners organization because they're the easy target here. And Kyle Seeger is the 10-year veteran that, you know, is one of the few success stories in this organization coming up through the organization, becoming an all-star gold Glover, all these things.

But yes, this has been blown out of proportion from the Seeger side of things. It's none of the blame goes to Seeger. I really respect Ryan Divish and the reporting that he does. But the way that he worded that tweet because the article leads to a website that's behind a paywall to an article that's behind a paywall on the Seattle Times. Not everyone got the full story. So they just assume the Mariners completely disrespected Kyle Seeger in the situation, which was not the case. They made several attempts to get a hold of him via phone call and those attempts were denied.

So, Colby, to answer Harry to Poto's question, do you think? that Seeger intentionally didn't answer those calls or was it just a matter of circumstance? I don't know and I don't really care. One thing I do care about is that I'm pretty darn sure I know who told Ryan Divish that the option was officially declined via email. And that was Kyle Seeger. So I don't really care if he accidentally missed the phone calls or not. He told Divish what happened, right? I think we can all agree that.

that's what happened. Either way, that's not something his agent does without Kyle's permission. And so that to me kind of negates this whole, well, is it possible that Kyle just really didn't see the call or maybe he didn't have his phone on him, which seems a bit far-fetched in 2021, but, you know, Seeger's an old school guy. So maybe it doesn't matter because Kyle Seeger purposely leaked that to try and make the Mariners look bad. And Divish, who like you said, I respect a great deal. He intentionally worded that tweet the way he did. He got exactly the reaction he wanted. Kyle Seeger got exactly the reaction he wanted. And there was no, there was no, um, unintended consequence for how Divish reported that or how Seeger told Divish that, that's how it went

down. That was all perfectly planned by Kyle to try and make the organization look bad. And, you know, Divish decided that he wanted clicks in, and, and, and, you know, Deverish decided that he wanted clicks in, and interaction instead of, you know, putting out a realistic tweet. The annoying thing is that he waited 45 minutes to add a little bit about, well, they tried to call him, but, you know, he didn't answer. Waited 45 minutes after the original tweet to put that up. That's bad reporting by Divish. I found out via a screenshot of the article. Yeah.

It's bad reporting by Divish, especially when he knows his stuff is behind a paywall. You know, it's, you don't have to give away the whole story, but that is. is that it's just it's bad reporting it's a it's a very key detail here when you have framed it as if the mariners have completely disrespected one of the legends of the organization and they did you know they did um but i understand the frustration when you just read that tweet sure take it at face value uh right what what the hell is going on here right i don't blame i don't blame mariner fans for reacting the way they did at least you know most of them um i put that solely on divish to be quite honest um you know, because Divish has a responsibility to find out what actually happened,

not just report the thing that he gets told by one side. What actually happened? Oh, they notified me the email. Oh, I got to put that in. And then you wait 45 minutes before you clarify that. Well, they tried to call him, but he didn't answer their call. Well, that's pretty important considering that the first report is always the one that gets the most, you know, it gets the most interaction.

It gets the most, you know, the most. questions and thought-provoking, you know, discussions and things like that. That's what kicks it all off is the first one. And he knows that because Divish isn't an idiot. You know, Kyle isn't an idiot. And it just, to me, this whole thing is, you know, more or less, it's Seeger kind of trying to burn the ground after he leaves. And, you know, the Mariners kind of stuck there.

They can't really say no. Like, I mean, what are they going to say? Come out and say, oh, Kyle Seeger's a liar. no they're not going to do that there's no upside to that well they just they want to be done with it and they're going to be done with it in the coming days as soon as the world series ends

they can make this official and they're done with it and so you know and that's just where it needs to be you know we talked about this a couple weeks ago with you know Seeger's exit interview after the season ended and saying that he hasn't talked to Depoto in years

and then DePoto coming out and saying well I talked to him this spring and look I have a very hard time believing Kyle Seeger's side of that. Because Jerry DePoto comes down to the field for batting practice and stuff. Naturally, he's going to run into Kyle Seeger and talk to him at some point. That's just going to happen. I believe him when he says that they talked during the spring.

I believe that there had been conversations between DePoto and Seeger's agent about, you know, this option and where that could lead and how things could progress after the 2021 season. and where the Mariners, you know, head was at, really, with all of it. So there was obviously communication here, and I just don't get what Seeger is really doing, but it makes so much sense, right? Because Seeger was the one that went to DeVish after the Kindle-Graignment trade. At the highest of the emotions of the fallout of the Graveman trade and, you know, wanted to let his feelings about Jerry DePoto pull it. And, you know, said that Jerry Potos up in the front office just,

playing fantasy baseball and all this stuff and he doesn't care about the you know the players and yeah yeah yeah that's a general manager's job is to make his team better and he did that with that trade you know and I know that you know major league baseball players aren't in the clubhouse looking at fan graphs and figuring out you know

which players are going to make their team better and blah blah blah blah they're not doing that you know these are you know these are more personal situations for the players themselves but still you have to understand the reality of of this sport and Kyle Seeger did not understand that and handled that in a very uncharacteristic and unprofessional way and continues to do so with the situation and continues to try to make it to frame it as if it's depoto doing that which is it's weird it's really weird it's like what is your vendetta against this guy and I'm

not saying that Jerry Depoto has come out of this smelling like roses either I'm sure that he's made mistakes along the way he's. But it feels like this is a very one-sided conflict that Seeger is trying to stretch out further and further and further. And I'm just, I'm not, I'm completely missing the point of why this is happening and why he feels the need to continue doing this and continue stretching this out instead of just moving on. And I don't understand why Divish is kind of playing a lot. with it because again, Divish is a good reporter. This is poor reporting. This is irresponsible what he did. And now it's led

a lot of fans to believe that Jerry Depoto is the enemy here. The front office is the enemy here. And they have disrespected one of the great legends in Mariners history. And that's not the case at all. Nope. It's not. It comes off as

extremely petty by Seeger. It comes off as extremely unprofessional by Ryan Divish. And honestly, the Mariners, I don't look at them any differently today than I did yesterday or the day before because I think they've handled it the only way they could. If you're not going to talk to us, we have to notify you. So we're going to email you and then we're going to call your agent because that's apparently the only way you'll talk to us. So, which is obviously planned.

Seeger is pulling kind of a Richard Sherman here. and he's trying to basically legacy protect and make it look like he was never at fault for anything. And it's it's BS and I'll never look at Seeger the same way. Yeah.

Still respecting. We've also heard things about how Seeger handled this year, right, in general, and how he was in the clubhouse and how he was with the vaccine and all the mandates and all that stuff. And, you know, there's a laundry list of things

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And we'll probably talk about it more over the coming days. But let's get to a question here from Josh Games at just underscore Josh G. Outside of Kellnick, Gilbert, Julio, JP, and Thai France, do you guys see any other players or prospects as truly quote unquote untouchable and potential deals this winner? Well, the first thing is no one is really. untouchable, but there's certainly guys that are going to be harder for other teams to acquire than others. So outside of those guys, I believe there is five guys that you mentioned here.

Colby, you know, anyone else that stands out to you? Maybe a Noelvi Marte or a George Kirby or someone like that. Yeah, none of those guys are untouchable. In fact, I would move Kellnick for probably a lot less than other people think. Would I move Kellnick for Brian Reynolds? Yeah, I would. So I don't think Gilbert now in terms of like who's the least likely to get traded this winter. Yeah, these five guys are probably way up on the list.

And I would throw George Kirby on that list as well. Other than that, I could literally see anybody get traded off of this roster. So yeah, the five guys you listed, I don't think they're untouchable at all. But to answer the question in the spirit, the question was asked. Yeah, I think it's these five guys and probably Kirby and that's it. Yeah. I would agree with you on that. Yeah, anybody's on the table.

And we had heard or we're told, I forget, but, you know, Kirby is probably one of those untouchable guys. Like, it's going to take a lot for them to move off of them. But still, if there's an opportunity to get, you know, a perennial MVP candidate or something like that, that's going to, you know, and the thing that's going to shift that deal in your favor is, including, George Kirby, then you got to do it. Because it's all about, you know, making this team better and capitalizing that the opportunity at hand, which, you know, I talked about just a moment ago with, you know, this is a great opportunity to turn things around and compete for the playoffs and maybe even more in

2022. So you got to be aggressive. And, you know, if it comes to the point where, hey, you know, the difference between getting Brian Reynolds is possibly Jared Kellnick, you got to at least consider it. And it would be irresponsible not. to really. Yep. So next question comes from Daisy Dingo at Daisy underscore Dingo. What would a trade package for Josh Donaldson look like and is it a good idea? Wouldn't have to give up a huge prospect haul because of Donaldson's contract. That is true.

And Colby, you actually have a trade that you've specifically crafted for our offseason plan. I don't know if we're going to be using it or not. It doesn't seem like that's the direction we're going, but he was in your personal offseason plan. So what was that idea? Yeah, so, you know, Donaldson does do a lot of things very well. He's a better player than Kyle Seeger. That's not really up for debate.

And Seattle obviously needs a third baseman for next year. So, yeah, Donaldson is the guy I looked at. And I think there's a deal that could be made there. But like you mentioned, the contract is something else. I think we're looking at $51 million guaranteed over the next two years. That's a lot. So for a 36-year-old Donaldson. So the idea I had was to trade Yusay Kikuchi and a good prospect, somebody like Levi Stout, someone in that range, to the twins for Donaldson in about $6 million. When you subtract the $6 million, now Donaldson is owed $45 million over the next two years, but then you subtract the $13 million. You're going to have to pay Kukuchi, assume he picks up that option. And you're looking at two years at roughly $35 million.

give or take. So is Josh Donaldson worth $2.35 to you? Yeah, I think he probably is, you know, depending on what else you do. But yeah, that's kind of the idea. Is you give Minnesota a shot to develop Yucig Kukuchi into something that you couldn't quite figure out.

You also, you know, free up $35 million of payroll from the twins over the next two years. And you get your third base upgrade without having to pay him really what he's worth. He's probably worth that $22, $23 million a year. But he is 36. So that's a way to just kind of have the best of both worlds. Yeah. And obviously, Josh Donaldson this year, 99th percentile on average exit velocity, 93rd percentile on max exit velocity, 95th percentile in hard hit rate, 92nd percentile in ex-Woba, you know, 92nd percentile in X slugging, 95th percentile in barrel percentage. You know, the guy, was just incredible when he was healthy. Let's talk about another third basement.

The Mariners almost or at least have shown interest in. That's Chris Bryant. Curtis Christensen at courtesy baseball on Twitter. As does the rumors coming out about almost trading for Chris Bryant and Brian Reynolds mean anything significant for the off season? So of course, Shannon Dreher said that the Mariners explored the idea of trading for Chris Brian.

It seemed like they were pretty aggressive on that front. didn't get it done, of course. And then they also asked the pirates at least a couple times about Brian Reynolds, but they were asked for Julio Rodriguez in return. And obviously those talks stalled because of that. But to you,

Colby, like Curtis asked, does that mean anything significant to you heading into the winner? No. Why is that? There's a big difference between asking about trading for a guy for two months

versus giving him a five-year, you know, $150 million contract. Yeah. That's a huge difference. And, you know, we already knew that Seattle, at least you and I knew, that Seattle had talked about Brian Reynolds. We knew that they had made contact at least. And we also know that center field is a huge priority for them. So that makes sense. And I would expect they go back to Pittsburgh again and they give it another shot.

But ultimately, I don't think they get something done. So, no. And I also think Chris Bryant still makes sense. And I think Seattle's going to be interested in Bryant. It's just a matter whether or not you can get them at the price you wanted to get them at. So no, it really doesn't to me. These are two guys that I expect Seattle to be interested in again. And there are two positions that are still both positions of need.

So no, it doesn't really change much for me. So we got a few more questions to answer in just a moment. But real quick, man, can't talk today. It's the case of a Mondays. But real quick, we're going to remind you that this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bill Barr. I love Thanksgiving. All the good food and treats and plenty of them to go around. But maybe you want a yummy dessert one that isn't so full of calories and sugar.

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either in the free agent market or trade market for the Mariners. Who out there jumps out to you, Colby? Well, Brian Reynolds, for one. Yep. Michael Conforto in free agency. Seems like a very obvious target for Seattle. There's also guys like Tommy Pham and Mark Kana,

who are probably more fourth outfielder at this stage, but hey, what do you know? You need one of those, too. You know, other guys like Brandon Nimmo could make sense if you can convince the Mets to trade him away. Yeah, it's not a great outfield class, to be perfectly honest. It's particularly weak at center field, which is a problem. So, yeah, if Seattle wants a significant upgrade at center field, it's probably going to have to be via trade because I don't see them going all in on Starly Marte.

So guys like Byron Buxton and Brian Reynolds and. And, you know, even a guy like Brandon Nimmo, maybe in the center field spot. And then the corner spots, you're looking at, you know, Michael Conforto, you're looking at Tommy Fam, Andrew McCutcheon, Mark Kana. You're just, that's kind of what you're looking at. It's not a particularly great class of outfield bats this year. And then, of course, you know, Chris Bryant can play in the outfield if you want to do that. Yeah. there's also

Chris Taylor of course yeah AJ Pollock potentially that's a guy that if you look at his numbers a lot better than you would think yeah so yeah there's there's options out there

there aren't a ton of obvious options I think the one guy that's kind of obvious quote unquote is Conforto he's not going to accept his qualifying offer that he's expected to get from the Mets obviously has Pacific Northwest ties Mariner fan growing up and all that good stuff

so there's going to be interest from him from him presumably in at least coming to Seattle but they're you know he's not going to take a discount or anything like that the history there is not going to you know help the Mariners necessarily but it does get the conversation

maybe the ball rolling on that front let's let's talk about another question here from Eli Sellers at Eli Sellers 24 on Twitter. Do you think the potential lockout on December 1st will increase or decrease

the amount of moves in November? Also, how long do we think the lockout could last a week, a month through spring training? What do we think? So,

I think it's going to increase trades. I have no idea how the free agent market is going to go. I don't know how agents and players are going to react

if they're going to want to scramble to get a deal done. The problem is, You run in the risk here, and this goes into the duration of the lockout, where the lockout could go into March. And then as soon as the lockout ends, everyone's scrambling to get signed. There's, you know, hundreds of free agents trying to get signed all in the matter of, you know, all in the span of like three weeks. So you don't want to get lost there as well in the crowd. But I do think that there's going to be an increase in trades.

I think a lot of teams are going to try to get stuff done. And I think the mayor are going to try to get a lot of stuff done in the month of November, as much as they can through the trade market. What do you think, Colby? Yeah, I think you're right. I think the trades are going to be coming fairly fast and furious. Free agency, I think most of the big names will wait. Um, so I feel like, you know, if you're, if you're hoping that Simeon or Bryant signs in November or story or whoever, I think they're probably going to wait until a new CBA gets, gets done because why not? I mean, you're not going to get a worse deal, right? Like, I can't imagine the players are going to accept something that, that, you know, will cost them money this year. Um, maybe, but probably not. So,

to me it's it's it's i think it's trades i think trades are going to be you know flying pretty frequently pre agents probably just some one year deal type of guys uh in terms of how long the lockout goes it doesn't sound like they're all that close and there's not exactly any momentum so if it starts December two my guess is is that it's going to be at least until christmas and they're probably going to break for christmas so i mean the whole week of christmas they're probably not going to do anything um So I think there's a very real chance that spring training gets pushed back even a couple of weeks or we lose a couple of weeks of spring training games. It just doesn't sound like there's really any forward momentum there.

So you kind of have to brace for a long lockout and just just hope that you're wrong. And, you know, hopefully hopefully the owners or, yeah, hopefully the owners are, well, that's not going to happen. Hopefully the players have, you know, a backbone and they stand up for things. that matter and they do that without throwing minor leaguers and amateur baseball under the bus. Like they have the last few rounds of this. So we'll see how it goes. But it's, I'm not too optimistic that they get anything done before Christmas, to be honest. All right.

Aidan's got a question here at SFNE 58. Who would be the best fit pitcher the Mariners could get in free agency? So the best fit for any of these free agent pitchers. I'm going to go Marcus Simeon here because I think he's a great fit for the clubhouse. Doesn't provide the strikeouts that the Mariners necessarily need in their rotation. But he's a great fit in just in terms of he's going to produce. There's something that you can trust in that you can count on there. He's going to be a three, three and a half, F4 pitcher.

And he's going to fit really well with your clubhouse, which is going to be a huge part of what Jerry Depoto targets this office is. What about you, Colby? I wasn't aware Marcus Simeon. was a pitcher, but... Did I say Marcus Simeon? I meant to say Marks Strowman. I think we know who you meant, but...

I got a case of the Mondays, man. I'm going to say Kevin Gossman, just in terms of just raw bit, not necessarily contract-wise. He misses the bats that you want, want him to miss, and you kind of need him to miss. You know, good stuff.

He doesn't walk guys, throws a ton of strikes, misses a ton of bats. Just overall, a good pitcher. He struggled a bit in the second half there, and he does throw a ton of splitters and sliders. which do put extra stress on shoulders and elbows. So there are some concerns there,

but just the miss bat thing is what's keeping me from saying Stroman. Yeah. If Stroman was even a 9K per 9 guy, then he would be my obvious answer, but he's 7.8 type of guy. And that's, you got a lot of those guys already. So I'll go with Gossman. Yeah.

All right. Last question here from Rocheon Brat at Mariners fans, one, two, three, four. does cow Raleigh have a place on the 22 roster not on opening day but hopefully you know sometime in the summer we'll see um what about you Colby uh just i i think it's it's pretty clear that raleigh needs to start the year in triple a right absolutely um yeah does you have a place on the 2022 roster i mean maybe somewhere in june july august yeah um on opening day absolutely not. You cannot go into next season with Cal Raleigh on your 26-man roster. Start the year. It's just that that would be bad for the player, bad for the team, bad for everybody involved.

He needs time and there's nothing wrong with giving it to him. All right. So we actually have one other question I overlooked this from Bridget at Biscuit 717 on Twitter. Hey, I think you said the Padres are probably candidates to get Simeon. Now that Bob Melvin has gone, there. Does that help them even more help other teams or does it matter at all? Of course, Simeon played for Bob Melvin for a few years in Oakland. What do you think

about this, Colby? Do you think this gives the Padres a chance to get Simeon? For me personally, I don't think that there's really a fit there for Simeon and San Diego. They have a lot of infielders there. Here's what I would say about that. How serious are they about moving Tatis

off a shortstop? Was that just because he kept hurting his shoulder? because they can't really move Simeon to third or Tatis to third because, you know, Mandy Machado's there. Obviously, also have Adam Frazier. They have Jake Cronomworth. Right. But if you want, like if you think Tatis can play second, you just put Tatis at second.

You put Stroman at short. And then Adam Frazier. You did the opposite of what I did. I'm pretty sure I said simian, but whatever. You said Stroman. I don't think so. You put Simeon. You put Simeon at short.

You put Tatease at second. Croninworth plays first. And I think we can all agree that D.H is probably coming to the National League in this round of negotiations. So they're going to have an open spot. So I think actually it does increase their odds of getting Simeon. I think there could be a fit. And worst case scenario, you just trade Adam Frazier, who, by the way, we know the Mariners had interest in, both in the winter and at the trade deadline. So, and they happen to also need a second baseman, just put two and two together there.

Yeah. So I think it does increase their odds. And again, you know, Stroman is a California guy. He's more of a Bay Area guy, but you know, He said Stroman again. Oh, yeah, I did. Simeon is, again, he's a California guy, right?

Bay Area. So this would be going down south, but I mean, it's kind of hard to compete with San Diego weather. So I think it does help them. Do I think he ultimately signs there? Probably not. But I also have a lot of payroll on the books right now. Yep. And they're not a team that's going to go out and spend $200 million. They've never been that.

So, yeah, I think ultimately it helps them, but I don't think it's likely. But on the off chance, it does, you know, he does go and sign with San Diego. Adam Frazier or Jake Cronerworth might become available and both make a lot of sense for the Mariners. Yeah, indeed. And we're definitely Jake Cronomworth stands over here. So that would be my preferred choice of the two. So that's going to do it for our show today. Thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners for Colby Pat Note. I'm Tyne Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez at C-A-N-ZL-Z and Colby at C-Pat 11.

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