Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag: What's Next For the Mariners Following the Mitch Garver Signing?

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

Ty and Colby open up the mailbag and answer some of your questions, including where Mitch Garver will ideally slot into the Mariners' lineup, if Jorge Soler still makes sense, which left-handed hitting outfielders could be options for Seattle, and a whole lot more.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @TyDaneGonzalez | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's the day after Christmas and the Mariners have finally done something. So let's talk about what's on your mind following the signing of Mitch Garber in this mailbag episode of Locked on Marriers. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day. Ahoy, sailors. It is Tuesday, December 26, 2023. This is Tadang Azales and Colby Patna up for the Locked on Marys podcast brought to you by Fandul.

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consider signing up for our Patreon. You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link, as well as our social accounts, is in the description of this episode. Let's open up the old mailbag and see what merits questions you have for us this week. We're going to start here with Mitch Garver mega fan. That's right. Mitch Garver already has a mega fan in Seattle.

Where should Mitch Garber ideally hit 1 through 9 in the batting order on opening day? I think Garver's probably, you probably want him hitting fifth. I think is where you're looking at. And that's not because Garber isn't, you know, one of your three best hitters. He might be your best pure bat that you have right now. The WRC Plus last year would suggest that it's either him or J.P. Crawford and how sure are we that JP will repeat exactly what he did last year?

Yeah, we'll see. Obviously, Julio is your best player, just, you know, more upside, just better overall player. But Garver on an app per app bat basis is. probably your best hitter right now. When you break down average, on base, slugging, you combine it all. It's probably your best hitter right now.

So if he is hitting second or third or fourth, that's totally fine. But I think in an ideal world, you probably have him hitting fifth. You want him hitting behind Cal Raleigh hitting cleanup, who gets a little bit of protection behind him. Also might allow him to see fewer left-handed pitchers, because if you have to bring in a lefty to try and turn Cal Raleigh around,

that's fine. but now you have Mitch Garver hitting right behind him who crushes lefties. So I think in an ideal world, you'd have Garver hitting right behind Raleigh. And I think, again, in an ideal world, that would be him hitting fifth because Raleigh's hitting fourth.

And you have, I think, a left-handed bat with some pop is a good thing to target for that number three spot. Of course, the number three guy could be Julio. It could be J.P. They could have a new number one or number two. There's lots of ways to build this lineup out, but I think ideally you'd want him hitting fifth,

but you could totally hit him third and be 100% justified, particularly against left-handed pitching. He probably needs to get an at bat in the first inning against lefties. Yeah, I love the idea of stacking him with Cal and having him specifically behind Cal to afford him some protection in terms of matchups and stuff like that because it's really, it's pick your poison. Do you want to face lefty Cal Raleigh,

which is an absolute monster? Or do you want to, you know, throw a lefty against Mitch Garver who destroys left-handed pitching, who was like a 170-something WRC plus this batch year against left-handed pitching. So, I mean, yeah, I think that's kind of like,

you know, living in the world of reality, that's kind of the ideal scenario for you. And if you're able to build a lineup where you can comfortably push Garver down into that four, five, even six spot, you've had a very good offseason,

I would say. but look if he ends up hitting three for you or if he ends up hitting four you should feel pretty good about that as well because this is a guy that just hit in the heart of the rangers lineup pretty consistently and the rangers lineup was insane he hit third in the world series clinching game for them obviously adelaise garcia was hurt you know and that changed things but still like this is a guy that hit consistently three four five in that rangers lineup uh over the course of twenty twenty three uh so that should really tell you all you need to know about garber he's one of of the best hitters on the Mariners right now. He was one of the best hitters on the free agent market. You know, obviously red flags there. What the hell? You know, we'll have to see. That's obviously the big thing here.

And, you know, his, his most games play were, what, 103 games, right? So that's obviously a big red flag there. Like we went over on Sunday after the signing. But, man, you know, you look at the numbers. I mean, of his five full seasons, and I use the term full very generously here, of course. But it was five full seasons, his lowest WRC plus, 98. After that 104, 155, 138, 139, it's a very, very good hitter.

And it makes me very excited about the possibility of him maybe playing 115, 120-ish games, like what that could look like. Yeah, if he was consistently playing 120 games and getting 450,500 played appearances, you wouldn't be able to afford him. Yeah. You would have been $20, $25 million a year hitter. Yeah. so we'll see

it's been some ridiculous output from Garber's bat over the last few years so yeah especially that 2019 is an insane season absolutely insane season yep all right next question here comes from Connor can Garber and

Jorge Salarcoe coexists on the same roster they can but like two things have to happen one you have to trade tie France and even after trading Thai France you likely have to teach Mitch Garber to play first base,

which he's done out of 51 innings in his major league career. So he has done it a very, very tiny amount. But yeah, that shouldn't really tell you anything. But essentially, like, Garber would probably have to be your first baseman. It's probably not going to be Saler. You don't want Jorge Saler playing more than, like, once a week. And even that I feel uncomfortable with in the outfield. Yeah.

And keep of mind once a week, it's only like 23 starts in the, yeah, and I still feel uncomfortable about that. Yeah. Yeah. So the answer is not really, but not zero. Like there is a world where they can coexist, but not really. Again, unless they're wanting to teach Garber first base, which again, you run the risk of, you know, a guy who's got a lot of catching in his background, a guy who hasn't gotten, you know,

400 plate appearances in any one year, you're running a risk of losing that bat because maybe, you know, obviously playing first base, your risk of injury is still pretty low, but it's a lot higher than if you're just deaching. So you've got to be really careful here. I don't see if it was Seleer anymore. Unless, like Ty said, one or two things.

Either the Mariners are totally okay with his outfield defense, which they should not be. Or they think that they can teach Garver or Solair to play first base at at least a, average clip and they trade tie france but neither of those seem that likely so i would say no that door's probably closed but it's definitely not a zero percent chance that it happens yeah we do have a question coming up a little bit later about trading france uh so i won't dive too much into that but i think if you're trading france you're trading him with the knowledge that you're probably

getting rice hoskins rather than Jorge saler like that would be uh the ideal but there's someone that's actually played for space that you don't really have to teach to play first base or play out of position. Or with Garver, right? You don't want to risk injury. You don't want to risk putting him in the field too much because he just hasn't been able to maintain

a fully healthy season ever in his career. And at least part of that is attributed to him playing in the field, mostly catching, which is a very different position and a very more or a much more demanding position physically than first bases. but still, you know, if you can just protect him, basically wrap him and bubble wrap in the DH spot, you probably want to keep it that way because his bat is what's most valuable to you. But yeah, we'll talk more about the, the France, trade in France possibility in just a moment.

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Juan Carlos in your last episode you spoke of trading Thai France. How likely is that in your opinions and is it a good idea? If so, under what circumstances? I'd like to see them give him another season, but what do I know? Trading Thai France.

We were just kind of talking about it. So what do you think about the possibility? What would have to happen in order for them to feel comfortable trading France? I guess a village would have to be missing their idiot. No. So I think trading Thai France is certainly interesting. It's definitely something that is on the table. The Mariners aren't saying no to trading Thai France.

They're definitely going to be listening. If for no other reason, then because of the limited budget, you know, if you can attach his $6, $7 million to a deal, then you can lessen the cost of the player you would bring in. And that's pretty much what you would do, right? I'm not on board with trading Thai France for prospects, right? Just I'm not interested in a, well, it wouldn't be a pure salary dump trade. Like, I'm not interested in making another a Eugenio-Swarz trade using Thai France this time around. So if I'm trading him, I'm trading him for a major league bat. It is a major league deal, a major league player for a major league player type of deal.

There could be prospects involved going in either direction, but I need a major league or back, particularly one that is a better bet to help me than somebody like Sebby Zavala at the plate. The other thing is with France is that you don't have a replacement on the roster right now. You know, Garber in theory could do it. But again, you want to try and keep Garber healthy. So now, unless you're trading Thai France for another first baseman, which doesn't make a ton of sense. Now you have to go out and spend more money to replace France at first base. Maybe you could do that on the cheap like Carlos Santana. But maybe it's, you have to go give, you know, Reese Hoskins $16 million a year, which, I mean, totally fine.

But again, now you have a little bit less money. So France trading France is really interesting because I guess in theory you could trade him for prospects, you know, just a pure salary. don't trade. And then the Reese Hoskins deal at like 16 million per, assuming he's even willing to come here, is actually more like 10 million in the first year because essentially you traded Thai France for Reese Hoskins and prospects would be the idea behind that. So I'm open to it. I really don't think I'm doing it unless I have a really good idea of who my next first basement is. Because as much as I love Carlos Santana and how much you would help in this clubhouse and all that stuff like i don't know if i want to be my everyday first baseman unless i'm

getting a really good player back in a tie france trade which you're probably not yeah you're probably not um so there's a very finite amount of names that i'm actually willing to do this for uh hoskins is one of them because hoskins is a clearly a better hitter i know he's coming off in an acl he didn't play this past year whatever but he's consistently been a you know 120 to 130 w RC plus guy with 25 to 30 home run potential. That's just a better hit. That's a better first baseman than France, even though that he's really struggled defensively,

and that's probably not going to get better after the ACL tear. But still, Hoskins is a better player in my mind than Francis. So Hoskins I would do it for, Saler I would do it for if that means, you know, if they feel comfortable enough to, you know, put Carver at first base. Obviously, you know, concerns about that and the health and all that stuff, like we just went over in the last segment.

Um, but yeah, that's, those are like the two main names. And then, you know, ideally, like we've talked about this, you know, ideally you would trade France for Max Kepler, right? It wouldn't just be a one for one, at least in theory. Maybe it is. But in theory, it's probably not going to be just a one for one with the twins with, with France and Kepler. But we know that twins sniffed around on France at the trade deadline.

Um, we know that they have apparently offers in on both Kepler and Jorge Palom. They're already trying to dump some salary. Obviously, that wouldn't be a massive salary dump for the twins. If they're taking on France's salary in return for Kepler, that would only be about a $4 million-ish dollar net loss for Minnesota on the payroll. But still, that's like, that's the one idea that I see that I'm like, cool, great. Marys get better, at least on paper. They get the outfielder that they need.

They get one of the few left-handed hitting outfielders that are seemingly evasive. available right now and they can address their their first space spot in a in a different way. And if that ultimately leads to like Carlos Santana at the end of it, fine depending on what else you do. Yeah. So just to answer the question like as plainly as we can, how likely is it? I'd say it's a true 50-50. I could see this really going either way. Yeah.

Is it a good idea? Depends on who you're bringing in to replace Typhranz. what you're getting for him. So it could be. It could also not be. So there's a lot of gray area here. And then the circumstances, like we just said,

if you have another first basement in mind who was a clear upgrade over Thai France and you just want to move France's salary to kind of offset this bonus money that you're adding on, let's just say Hoskins, because he's the guy who's been linked to the Mariners, then under those circumstances, I could see them trading Thai France.

But you pretty much you have to sign Hoskins first and then trade tie France. You don't want to be, again, left with, oh, no, do we want to give Joey Botto $10 million to try and convince him to come play for us for a year? So, yeah, an answer, maybe, maybe not.

And yeah, there are some not so black and white ways to make Thai France trading Thai France make a lot of sense. It's a little bit complicated. Next question here from Oline Co. Other than Kepler, who are other left-handed corner outfielder's you think could be acquired via trade without moving Wu slash Miller? Yeah, Mike Yistremski, Anthony Santander, but I don't see the way that the Mariners get Santander or that the Orioles are willing to trade Santander without getting pitching back. And it's probably like a bigger deal that involves Miller Wu, but it's not just for Santander. It's Santander plus Colton Cowser, Santander plus Jordan Weston.

unless I could see the Orioles maybe salary dumping Santander is going to make $12 million bucks he's got one year left you can get

something decent for him I could see it but not likely other than that I could see the Mariners maybe like kicking the tires on like Kyle Isbell but

yeah depending on what San Francisco is willing to do. Michael Conforto is a guy. San Francisco would have to eat some salary there. You could also go sign Jock Peterson. Also Seth Brown. Seth Brown was in our offseason plan. Yep.

Yep. Also, somebody like, you could take a shot on somebody like Trevor Larnick. So, I mean, there are some lefties, but most of them are,

you're taking shots, right? like Lamont Wade Jr., really more of the first baseman. Yeah. Yeah. So Dalton Varsho, maybe. Well, the Blue Jays just signed Kiermire today. Who knows if that means they're still in on Bellinger or not?

But if they are, maybe they're open to trading Varshow. And I think you could get them for less than Miller and Wu. It would still be expensive because despite his poor season last year, he's still an elite defender and can even play centerfield. And that's how the Blue Jays are going to shop him is as a premier center fielder. And, you know, 85 WRC plus, not good, but he's still a two-win player, 20 home runs, 15 steals, like still a valuable player. But I don't think he costs Wu or Miller.

But yeah, it's just pure lefties. It's pretty much Eustrimski, Kepler, Seth Brown, maybe somebody like Alec, again, if you want to take a shot on a younger guy, Burleson, Larnik, somebody like that. MJ Melendez, possibly. So there's some, but it's not a ton and like without moving Miller and Woo. You're pretty much looking at one or two year guys who are making a little bit of money. Or guys who have just worn out their welcome. I don't know if our show falls into that,

but Varshow would be a pretty interesting one, particularly if the Mariners wanted to lean into the run prevention thing that we've kind of pitched the last week or so. You're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first. Listen as we're opening up the mailbag. I've got a few more questions to go over here before we get out of here. Caleb wants to know Whitmerfield and Adam Duval fits with the club. Seem like typical Mariners players could be good volume with decent production upside.

Adam Duval, like him, especially if you're looking for a pairing there in left field with Dominic Canzone. I really like the idea there with Duval, who's probably going to make. judging from this market the way that the market has fallen so far for bats in general not just outfielders 6, 7 million bucks for a year

probably so the marries can definitely afford that Duval had an insane start to the season got hurt unfortunately but had a decent end to the season as well for the Red Sox I think he's a good fit power that should play at Team

Mobile Park all that good stuff so not really too concerned about how his bat with translate to Seattle. And then Marrifield, I mean, my question, is Marrifield an upgrade over Dillmore? Okay,

so that's what I was literally about to say. I feel like the Mariners are going to look at Merrifield. And he might only cost like four or five million bucks, right, when this is all said in that. So it's not a whole lot. But the Mariners are on a budget. I think they probably look at him and go,

we're always spending $3 million on Dillamore. And there's a decent chance that Dillamore is a better version of what Merrifield and what Merrifield is. I mean, they do it differently, right? Like, like Marrifield is contact and mostly that. And Dillmore is swing out of my shoes in case I happen to make contact. Yeah. But yeah, they both can steal a bag.

They both can play a bunch of positions. Moore's probably a better defender in the infield than Marifield at this stage. There's just more upside in Dillamore's bat too. So I don't see Marifold. I wouldn't be upset. Like if the idea is Merrifield is kind of the, 26 guy fine but you're already carrying uh like just real fast just to dispel this Mitch garber stop looking at him stop looking at him as a catcher you're not not carrying

Seby Zavala like you're not at least not shekey with it yeah you're not going to get cheeky with and be like oh we only have one true catcher and then like Garber will catch once a week like why do you want to run Cal Raleigh into the ground no they're going to they're going to they're going to look at Savala, then, you know, if Savala doesn't work out, they're probably going to look at Blake Hunt. And Garber's still going to be the DH. The reason I mention that is because, again, Sebi Zavala is going to be on the bench. Dylan Moore is going to be on the bench as part of your platoon with Rojas, at least to start the year. If you're going to have a platoon partner with Canzone, right?

Yeah. If that's not Merrifield, then you have one roster spot to play with on your bench. Is Merrifield the guy who makes the most sense for that? maybe well so like would I rather have wet merrifield than Jose Cabiero Sam Haggardi etc in a vacuum sure but nothing works in a vacuum so would the mariners want

wet Merrifield at $5 million or Jose Caboero on the league minimum or Sam Haggurdy on essentially the league minimum I think they would choose the latter right because I don't think there's a significant enough difference between Merrifield and cabby or Merrifield and Haggherty. That makes it, I don't think it's a $5 million difference.

No, I don't think so. If you trade Dylan Moore, if he's a part of a deal, though, then they might. They might because that's $3 million and $3 million. It doesn't sound like a lot and it's not relative to baseball. It might be a lot to the merrars. Unfortunately, every dollar counts for Jerry to photo this year. Yeah, yeah. So something to keep in mind.

But yeah, I don't. I wouldn't expect that Whitmerfield's going to be a mariner when this is all sudden done. But Duval, Duval makes quite a bit of sense. So I like the Duval idea. And thank you someone they've checked in on before?

Not too sure, but I think they've checked in on him in the past. So there's some connection there. Kip wants to know. Been thinking about this Cal Raleigh story where Brant Brown told Cal if the game is telling you put a butt down, put the butt down.

If it's telling you to move a runner, the move a runner. Do you think the M's will play more small ball in 2024? Well, Colby, as a big proponent of small ball, you love bunting. Big bunting guy over here, Colby, Pat note, as we all know. What do you think about what Cal had to say about his conversation with Brent Brown? I'll sum it up in three words. Fire Brant Brown.

How about that? No, I don't think that the mayor is going to play more small ball. I think that's more just about having a feel for the situation that you're in, understanding that sometimes you don't need the home run, right? You don't have to swing out of your shoes. Sometimes you can, you can, you know, basically, you know, just put the ball in play is more valuable than hitting a home run versus striking out, like blah, blah, blah, right? Just about knowing the situation you're in. Situational hitting, right?

Yep. It's something we've talked about. And the Mariners last year were terrible at situational hitting because they struck out so much. So I don't think this is all I don't think you see Cal Raleigh try to bunt for base hits next year. Like I don't think that's a thing. No. I don't think Scott Service, who doesn't bunt a lot, he bunts too much, which is any at all. But he doesn't bunt a ton.

I don't think we're going to see them bunt. I don't think we're going to see more hit and runs. Well, maybe you might see more hit and runs because they can actually make contact a little bit this year. But no, I don't think this is a quote that's about, you know, like, hey, Cowher, roll you should just try and ground out to the second basement so we can get the guy from second to third like no do damage do damage cow but yeah yeah there are times where the situation calls for you to just you know if the best you can do oh two count right whatever and he gives you a pitch that you can roll over on and ground out to the second basement just do it if you get you a run you know it's just about situational hitting and understanding the moment that you're in and what's best for you or what's the best you know outcome for your success and for this success and for this success. of the team in that moment with that pitch that you're seeing right there. So I think it's just about

having good quality, situational hitting fundamentals and stuff like that. I don't think it's specifically a game plan that they're going to enact. This is a good opportunity to address something that quite a few of our listeners we're talking about in the comments of our mailbag episode

I think last week when we're talking a lot about Brent Brown. He's considered to be the offensive coordinator. That's his title in Seattle. And so we got a lot of comments that are like, what, he's going to be in the skybox, calling plays and blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's a very easy, simple way to look at it. Bram Brown, offensive coordinator, he's working on situational stuff, situational heading, stuff like that, game plans, right?

For certain situations that crop up over the course of a game. Meanwhile, the hitting coach, Jared Hart, he's working on mechanics, stuff like that. That's what he, that's what his job is. And so that's essentially the difference between those two positions. Sure. except Brown is going to have a hand in mechanical stuff. He will work together. He will too.

Yeah. Like the quarterback coach works with the offensive coordinator. Yeah, it's obviously a collaborative effort. But that's essentially the difference between those two positions. He's not calling plays, but he is crafting game plans. And we know that the Mariners did not look like they really had a game plan offensively last year. And some very key situations just kind of look like they were going up there and just viving out and doing whatever they want to do. and some guys look like they were just kind of going rogue up there.

So it would be nice to actually have someone that kind of reels everyone in and, you know, has everyone on the same track. That would be nice. That would be nice to see this year. Broer has a question here. Who in the bullpen should we be excited about the most next year? Besides Bras and Munoz. Prelanda Baroa has the highest upside to be, you know,

that third high leverage. guy. So I would say him. Sotomayor, I would say Carlos Vargas. Yeah, you got him. There you go. You got him in the Aeohenosaurus trade, of course. He's probably the second highest upside guy in the Mariners bullpen behind Barra to be like an actual high leverage arm. So I'd say those two guys just because they have the upside for it. Now, will they live up to that upside? Who knows? Who knows? But those are the

two guys that I would definitely keep an eye on who could be legitimate difference makers in the bullpen when we look back on 2024. Yeah, and we'll see if they add anybody else to the bullpen, but a lot of the Cody Bolton's and type like that, not really that exciting. But who knows? It's the Maris. Yeah, I mean, that's what you don't write them off, but like, none of those guys have like 99 mile an hour sinkers and wipe out

sliders like Peralander Baroa and Vargas have. So those are the two guys. Yep. Last question of the day comes from Ham. Wigarty 69, there has been a lot of discussion about the replacement if Wu slash Miller is traded. Would you guys be in favor of trading top prospects for a mid-rotation guy like Dylan Sees or Corbyn? Orson, or signing guys like Jose Quintana or James Paxson to a shorter deal. So, Colby, you've been a fan of trading prospects for an actual high-end established starter. You've talked about Freddie Peralta. You've talked about Dylan Seas in the past.

Not really Corbyn Burns. And I don't think the Mariners would be too interested in Burns because it's only for one year. He's due 15-ish million dollars in arbitration last year of arbitration, of course. So that would eat a lot into what we assume they have in terms of money remaining after the Garber deal. So yeah, I think Burns is off that list, but totally interested in a C-Steel, totally interested in a Freddie Peralta deal, something like that, or maybe there's a pitcher that we haven't really talked about that. It's actually available that they could land for prospects. but I think if they did trade Wu or Miller,

it would be more so someone that's more in line with like James Paxson, Jose Cantana, et cetera, like that. And I would definitely keep an eye on Paxon, though it looks like the Red Sox are pretty interesting in bringing him back. So who knows? They might run out of time on that. First of all, Cees and Burns don't belong in like the same category because CIS is significantly more valuable.

He will cost top prospects because Burns, like he said, a rental like it's just different right um but like in terms of like would they try and go and get like another Logan Gilbert type if they could afford it like in prospect capital sure I mean yeah they I think they would like to do that but what's more likely to happen it's probably the Paxton Kintana uh he jeanru like yeah there's a few guys out there that could conceive you're just looking for at that stage a two-win starter yeah that's what you're looking for because that's what's reasonable to expect from Bryce Miller If you went out and you traded Logan Gilbert, you kind of have to go get C's now.

You kind of have to go get, you know, like a legitimate number three starter to not lose a beat there. But for 2024 specifically, if you did trade Miller, then yeah, anybody you think is going to give you two wins is about what you should expect from Miller this upcoming year. So if you go out and you get a Kintana and he gives you a 2.1 F4 season over 160 innings. Yeah. That's probably about what was reasonable to expect from Miller. So you're probably, that's probably an even swap. So I guess I like the idea of them being involved in the pitching market, particularly they can get a guy for prospects,

which is why I bring up Freddie Peralta, and why I haven't brought up a guy like Jesus Lazzardo, who I would really like, but sounds like you're going to have to go up a major league piece to get them, particularly a shortstop. The Mariners don't have one to give. So, yeah, I am very much in favor of just building the screw you pitching staff, let's call it, and just,

leaning heavy on run prevention instead of trying to, you know, tilt at windmills and build a top five offense one. That's just not really in the cards anymore. All right. Well, that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much, everyone, for all of your questions. We really appreciate it. For Colby Patnaud, I'm Ty Dan Gonzalez.

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