Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mailbag: Will Jarred Kelenic Save the Mariners From Their September Scaries?

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Starting point is 00:00:54 You can now get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description of this episode. It's Mailbag Monday. Let's see what you guys want to know. We're going to start here with Jace, who asked, are there any signs that the Ms might be able to turn this around? Signs? No.

Starting point is 00:01:14 No, no, no signs to be found here. No signs to be found over the last few days for sure. I'll say this, though. We do know what the talent of this team is. We do know what the potential of this team is. They just have to play better. And is it possible they could just, you know, flip the switch and start playing better? Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:01:33 They're starting rotation. was incredibly mediocre on this road trip, and that hasn't been the case at all this season. So hopefully that gets turned around. I mean, the offense was bad at times, but it wasn't the worst thing in the world over the 10-game span. Again, it wasn't great.

Starting point is 00:01:55 It wasn't great. And at times, they really came through. And at times, they were very much let down by their pitching staff. but yeah is it possible that things can all come together and click at once absolutely are there signs of that happening nope not at all it's over it's never been more over right uh you might as well just bench gino and give jake lamb all the up at um bringing that one back huh yeah old school

Starting point is 00:02:23 uh long time listeners will appreciate it yep uh yeah no there's absolutely no signs uh like if you want to try and be super optimistic, you could say, like, well, they probably should have won three out of four in Tampa, but yeah, you know, the thing is they didn't. They lost three out of four in Tampa because they're starting pitching slash bullpen imploded on Friday and Saturday. So that doesn't count. Like, that's not a good sign that they should have won three or four against a good team. They didn't. Like, there's nothing good about that. So, no, there is no good sign. Not yet. that could change in a day or two. But no, there really isn't because the starting pitching was mediocre. The bullpen was awful. The offense, by the way, in September is scoring the same amount of runs per game as it did in April. So they're also giving up more runs per game than they have at any other month so far in September. So, yeah, no, there's nothing.

Starting point is 00:03:22 There's nothing to hang your hat on here other than the fact that, you know, you know how talented they are. You know what they can do. but they haven't done it for about two weeks now. So there's only about two, three weeks left in the season. So, like it's go time, man.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Like, you better turn it around tonight, starting tonight, because it's not going to get any easier down the stretch. So, no, there are no good signs, at least not present.

Starting point is 00:03:52 The only thing you can really hang your hat on is the idea that, like, well, we know they're better than this. And they probably are, but a lot of teams are bad for, month. And the Mariners are about halfway there and they only have about halfway to go.

Starting point is 00:04:04 So we'll see. But no, there are no present signs. Next question here comes from David with the three and seven road trip. The Mariners play themselves into a position where they have to sweep the angels. Have to sweep? No. But you have to win two or three here at least. You have to win the series.

Starting point is 00:04:23 If you don't win the series and you go into a series with the Dodgers, you're cooked. I'm sorry, you're dead. it's over i mean short of like sweeping the rangers like seven times like going seven and oh against the rangers but like i mean sure yeah what i'm what i'm saying is very hyperbolic but still but still i mean it's it's it's just playing the reality the vibes are the vibes could not be worse if you lose this series and by the way anaheim while they're broken they're going to come at you with everything they got because they have nothing to lose and they're you know they still they're still major leaguers like they're still they still have pride they still have the

Starting point is 00:05:02 ability to knock you out of the playoff race and all that stuff they're going to play hard right um so i'd say if you play like you're capable playing then you should probably sweep the angels if you play like you did this last week you are going to lose this series so at the very least you have to find something in the middle um and i think tonight is absolutely crucial because you don't want to get into a four game losing streak uh you want to start turning this thing around immediately you want to put the pressure on Anaheim over the next two instead of yourself. So I think tonight is an absolutely crucial game, but I don't think you have to sweep necessarily.

Starting point is 00:05:37 I think you have to find a way to go three and three this week at the bare minimum, go three and three. You are getting some help because Texas and Toronto are going to start a four-game series tonight. I don't think it actually, I don't know. Do we have a question about this later, who we're rooting for? No, no, no, no. Yeah, or you go ahead. I was just going to say, I don't think it matters.

Starting point is 00:06:00 You just want one team to sweep the other. Yeah. I really don't think it matters who. That's the ideal situation, right? Because that hopefully, like if you can win these games against the angels, hopefully you can create a good amount of separation there between you and whichever team gets swept. More likely, though, what's going to happen is that both of these teams kind of just stay static. and hopefully you're able to maybe get a game or two on someone.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Well, if you sweep, right, hypothetically, if you do sweep, you're gaining at least two games on somebody. Because even if the series of split two, two, you're either gaining two games on Texas or two games on Toronto. That's huge. But hypothetically, right, let's say you sweep, you know, fingers crossed. And just because Toronto's playing well, now in Texas isn't Toronto sweeps Texas.

Starting point is 00:06:58 Okay, well, now Texas is five games back of you. Well, three, four and a half games back of you. So at that point, you know, you only have to win a handful of games against Texas at the end to kind of put the nail in their coffin. But, you know, it works just the same with Toronto because I think you're only a game back of them. So I think you're just rooting for a sweep. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that the Mariners win. because it doesn't matter if you get swept and Texas gets swept. You're still like only a game up in the playoffs and you play them seven times.

Starting point is 00:07:32 So you have to win. Like that is the only thing that matters. The next three days probably define what the last two weeks of your entire season look like. No. You have to win the series. You have to. Do you have to sweep? No, not necessarily.

Starting point is 00:07:47 But if you come out of this two and one or one and two, unless you're going to sweep the Dodgers, I think that it's basically over at that point. We can certainly kiss the division goodbye at that stage. They would do that, though. They would lose the series of the angels and then sweep the Dodgers. We come in on Thursday. It's over, blah, blah, blah. Like, should they call it bliss, give him playing time?

Starting point is 00:08:07 And they've, like this whole season, the team, individual players, have made it their mission to make you and I look stupid immediately. We'll make some big, bold proclamation most of the time. and then you know something will happen and then you know people of course seek us out to tweet at us I guess but as people might know I am the optimist of the group so right right yeah I'm the Debbie downer yeah I'm the wet blanket yeah yep yeah that sounds right all right we got more questions coming up here in just a moment but first a reminder this episode of the

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Starting point is 00:09:19 off. Download game time today. Last minute tickets. Lowest price. Guaranteed. And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen. Tonight, the Mariners begin a three game series with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Can catch all the action on the Marrish hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the SXM app. And Jared Kelnick is back. We got a couple of questions about like what would be the corresponding move with Kellnick. But we already know what that is. Cade Marlow got sent down today. So before we get back into the these questions. Colby, I have a question for you. What are the expectations or what should the expectations be for Jared Kelnick in his return? Superstar. Right. September Kelnick, baby. Jerry

Starting point is 00:10:01 Bond's is back. Sure. That's right. Reddmer's tonight on the mound. So we'll see how that goes. Jerry Bonds is going yard off of reedetters. All right. We'll see. Let's get back into these questions. Gomsner wants to know you've talked before about how Scott's best skill as a manager as a manager is clubhouse culture. Wow, I cannot read this question. Can you guys speak to what you've heard and is going on in the clubhouse right now? What Scott's response has been in general and also specifically for Kirby. So Colby, we haven't really had much of an opportunity here to talk about the Kirby situation. Yeah, I know. Yeah, because we really want to get involved in that discourse, which has gotten to embarrassing levels, and for some reason still hasn't died,

Starting point is 00:10:53 even though that Kirby, you know, owned up to it, apologize, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, the following day. It's still going on. It's still going on. So, yeah, what do we think about the clubhouse and then, you know, the Kirby situation? I think the clubhouse is still probably pretty fine. Like, it's obviously not like a super energetic clubhouse at the moment. because, you know, you went three and seven on a long road trip. So, yeah, they're probably not, the vibes probably aren't great, but I don't think there's like a catastrophic, like, mutiny happening after a 10-game stretch or anything like that.

Starting point is 00:11:32 So I think that part's fine. And then, you know, and specifically with Kirby, like, I mean, should you have said it? No, absolutely not. That's a stupid thing to say. you know and it also it's that's not a great look for you it's probably ticked off a few of your teammates probably ticked off your coaching staff and your management team and all that stuff and you know it we talked about how or at least i talked about how uh you know this thing as long as george comes out tomorrow the next day and just like owns it like then it's dead like

Starting point is 00:12:07 there's nothing here and so uh that that's what happened you know it's again was it a stupid thing to say Yes. Yeah. Was it any stupider than people calling him Eric Bedard or calling George Kirby soft because he, you know, he said, oh, I didn't think I should be out there after 94 pitches.

Starting point is 00:12:24 Like, no. And by the way, like, let's look at some of the major leaguers who are calling him like soft and all that stuff and look at what they did in their career. They've got no, no room to talk.

Starting point is 00:12:35 Talk their smack. Okay. So, yeah, I think a lot of, a lot of fan reaction is either, um, people's toxic masculinity is showing, but also too on the other side,

Starting point is 00:12:48 there's a lot of people who just want to pretend that like George is totally justified to say what he said. And that's not true either. Like George shouldn't have said it publicly, right? Yep. We can agree on that. But, you know, it, it just feels like there was a lack of communication, right? Like either George thought he was done and just assumed he was done or, you know, coaching staff went to him and said, we really need you for a couple more outs today.

Starting point is 00:13:14 And George didn't like that. But at the end of the day, he shouldn't have said it. He owned up to it. He's not soft because he said it out loud. He just made a mistake. Like, it's fine. I don't think this is an issue whatsoever for anybody left in the clubhouse. I don't think this is an issue for Scott.

Starting point is 00:13:29 I don't think this is an issue for George. I just think it's a lot of people trying to score, you know, pretty cheap points on both sides of it. Again, at the end of the day, I think the correct response is what George said. I shouldn't have said that. Like that that's not something that, you know, I, I think that's not something that I like do. Like it's frustrating outing. It's been a frustrating road trip. And, you know, I should have, I shouldn't have, uh, aired that out.

Starting point is 00:13:53 And yeah, that, that's, that's the correct response. Like, yeah, something to say, not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, I, I hated it. You know, I didn't like it when it happened. I thought it was a really bad look, both for George. just the team as a whole, especially with how, you know, frustrating that the road trip had been up to that point and got even worse, you know, from that point forward. I do appreciate him going, you know, hey, like, I don't think I should have been out there. Like, you know, he's, he's thinking

Starting point is 00:14:27 of the team. What puts the team in the best position to succeed? And he didn't think that that was with him on the mound. And I actually agree with him, right? But him coming out and saying that to the media, right before you know potentially even talking to scott about it behind the scenes that is a betrayal of the culture um scott service is cultivated scott service and his coaching staff and the people that you know make up the front office of the mariners organization have cultivated um so from that aspect hated that uh but so glad that he owned up to it and at that point you move on but yeah for george you know it's like if you're a teammate of george and he makes those comments right he still didn't execute right he had the 30 plus pitch inning in the first inning which you know had a trickle down effect on the rest of the outing uh and you know well

Starting point is 00:15:25 yeah he was at 94 pitches and didn't really feel great that's still not necessarily an egregious thing to ask him to do especially when he is one of the three best pitchers and you're rotation in the middle of a playoff race. Like that might be asked of you. You might have to go out and do that even if he don't feel the best. And like Luis Castillo the night before, right, he had walked four guys. He did not look good. I didn't think that he needed to go back out there for the six.

Starting point is 00:15:52 But he did. And whether he liked it or not, he didn't go to the media afterwards and complain about it. Right. And let's be real about it. The reason that George made the comments he made is because he gave up the league. lead. He blew the lead. Had he thrown a scoreless seventh inning, he wouldn't have said anything.

Starting point is 00:16:12 So, yeah, so from that aspect, it's just, it was really annoying, but I'm glad that he owned up to it. And let's just move on. And Jared Weaver, Roger Clemens, shut the hell out. Yeah. Like, we don't, we don't need to get into Roger Clemens passed, uh, on the show.

Starting point is 00:16:28 But, uh, for him to take shots at anybody, uh, is, is a laugh, is laughable. It's joke. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Next question here comes from Mariners Jersey tracker. Re, second base for 2024 with Ryan Bliss tearing up AAA. It's hard to imagine he wouldn't make the opening day roster next year. Would you prefer the M's also go after a free agent's second basement during the winter like Merrifield, Kemp, etc? Well, I definitely don't think they should like. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:58 Yeah, definitely not Kemp. And I definitely don't think they should like just hand the job to, you know, Bliss or even Josh Rojas, right? I think right now, if we had to predict who's going to be the start and second basement for the Mariners in 2024, it's probably Rojas. But I don't think they should hand it to him necessarily. They definitely shouldn't hand it to someone I'm proven like Bliss. And here's the thing, right, every single offseason that you and I have been doing these podcasts together, whether it's locked on, whether it's CTZ, whatever, we always get asked about young players and how are you going to get them playing time?

Starting point is 00:17:29 You have to get them playing time. You can't sign this guy because you have to get them playing time. look every single year it boggles my mind how people do not understand that these things just kind of tend to work themselves out and secondly

Starting point is 00:17:44 if you do get a guy like on a one year deal right who is a veteran has done it and he's playing well enough to block a Ryan Bliss in this specific in this specific example

Starting point is 00:17:57 what's there going to complain about that means things have gone well for you like that means you're probably in a good spot that that deal worked out for you so build your roster where the young guys have to earn it right you're not just giving them these opportunities you are covering your bases by doing that you are especially because again we're talking about one to two year deals maybe what merrifield and that specific example is going to get like a three year deal something like that. But, you know, in general, like when we talk about these things, it's mostly one to two year

Starting point is 00:18:36 guy. So it's like, all right, if that doesn't work out or if the young guy comes up and he's just better, it's not like you're stuck, like your handcuffed to the guy that you signed or that your handcuffed to the guy that you traded for for a long period of time. It just makes your overall roster better. It makes the ecosystem of your roster just that much healthier. Yeah, depth is good. and and I despite the way the Mariners seemingly refused to use it at times it's good to have a good bench and yeah uh you know and you say well when did that work look at the short term deals on Wong and Pollock and it's like yeah but Pollock is the point right because the team didn't just give Jared Kellnick 600 plate appearances he didn't just give him starts against lefties automatically he had to earn those and he did and obviously there were some ups and downs and Pollock didn't work out uh

Starting point is 00:19:27 you know, enough to, to cover the ups and downs of Kellnick, but Kellnick earned the playing time. Bliss has to do something similar. It's also worth noting Bliss isn't a lock for the opening day roster because he doesn't have to be added to the 40 man until next winter. So once you add him to the 40 man, like you're stuck. So there's really no reason to add him until you're absolutely certain that he's a big leaguer. So I think he'll enter spring training next year with a shot to make the opening day club.

Starting point is 00:19:54 But it's not a guarantee by any stretch. he's not going to be on the 40. I'd be pretty surprised he was on the 40 man at it, you know, at any point because you don't have to. And you don't do those things before you feel like you absolutely have to. So, yeah, I think Bliss has a shot to make the opening day roster. I don't think he's a lock. I don't think he's tearing it up in AAA. I think that's, you know, been the last week or so.

Starting point is 00:20:15 He's been really good. But overall, not really. And I'm not sure he's an everyday player. I think he's probably an everyday second baseman, but we don't know. And you're not going to go into a year where you think you can win the World Series or you shouldn't, at least and be like, well, we don't know this guy can play. You need to go out and you need to get somebody to kind of cover your base. And that was the idea behind AJ Pollock.

Starting point is 00:20:35 Did it work? No. But Cal only proved he could play. So it's just one of those things where like you need to pick better like security blankets. Sure. But you should. The idea is fine. The execution this year was bad.

Starting point is 00:20:48 That's the problem. Those guys didn't produce. It happens sometimes. But no, you shouldn't go into next year saying Ryan Bliss is definitely the opening day second basement. I don't even think you should go into next year saying Dom-Can zone is definitely the opening day left field or DH or first basement or no, protect yourself. Yeah. Go and go and do the Wong and the Pollock again. Just pick better players. You know what I mean? Just, you know, just don't, don't whiff so badly on those types of players.

Starting point is 00:21:14 Right. And, you know, particularly we talk about this a lot, but the Wong thing, really not much of a whiff. It just, it happened to be. But like, who could have seen that coming? Nobody. And if you're saying you did, you're lying. Right. Even the people that are like, oh, he's basically just Adam Frazier. He wasn't even that. I wish. I wish. I, I fricking wish, dude. Like, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:21:35 Like, he was terrible. Like, literally one of the worst players of Major League Baseball this year. Oh, by the way, a free agent second basement who makes sense next year, Adam Frazier. If you're trying to protect yourself from Ryan Bliss. My slap them. There you go. So, I mean, it might make sense. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 00:21:54 But, yeah, no, you shouldn't be giving young guys. guaranteed starting spots because they did well in AAA, not at this stage of your build. And again, when we're talking about adding veterans at those spots, we're not talking about signing guys to four or five year deals. We're talking about one, maybe two year deals. Like, you should not avoid those at all because how am I going to get Ryan Bliss playing time? I mean, you also shouldn't avoid trading for like Labor Torres because you're worried about Ryan Bliss. You know what I mean? So. Or like, how am I going to get Domcan's own playing time? I certainly can't add. X outfielder, you know, like, no. Of course you can.

Starting point is 00:22:31 You absolutely can. And again, these things, these things tend to work themselves out. Injuries happen. Things crop up. And then when those things happen, if you didn't cover your bases, you're going to get left at the altar. And we've seen that happen a little bit this year. So, yeah. All right.

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Starting point is 00:23:39 And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen here on Mailbag Monday. We're answering your Seattle Mariners questions. Speaking of the Marers, they are starting a three-game series against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim tonight in Seattle. You can catch all the action on the Maris hometown broadcast with Sirius XM via the S-X-X-M. M app. A couple more questions here on Mailbag Monday.

Starting point is 00:24:01 This one comes from Josh. This might be more of an offseason question, but realistically, how many more seasons before the team needs to consider moving Julio to a corner outfield spot to potentially save his legs for the long term? Colby? It's not on the radar.

Starting point is 00:24:19 I think it's the best way I could put it. Julio's probably, I mean, I don't, Julio might win a gold glove this year, that center field, and you just don't move that guy off of center field, especially right now when there's really no evidence to suggest that center field is what's causing some nagging injuries. There's really nothing to suggest that.

Starting point is 00:24:41 So, no, I don't think you're talking about that for at least two or three more years. And on top of that, who are you going to get right now that's better than Julio defensively? No. Like, the bat hasn't suffered because he's played centerfield. He is a plus defensive centerfielder, or at least he is this year. so, you know, until you even get somebody in the org that can play center field, like, because we know Canzone can't, we know Marlowe can't, we know Calnick can't, like, there's no reason to move them.

Starting point is 00:25:09 So I'm thinking at least three years, probably longer. And, you know, that can change if he, if he wears down and, you know, if this does become an issue, then at some point you do it. And I think you're pretty quick about it. But until there's evidence to suggest that you need to do it or that it's beneficial to the team because you have a center fielder who's better than Julio until that situation presents itself, there's absolutely no reason to even really think about it right now. So I'm going to say at least three to five more years at minimum, but it could be longer. Agreed. Last question here

Starting point is 00:25:43 comes from JP. Do you think the 2022 bullpen is better than the 2023 bullpen? Yes. Yes. Definitively. Yeah. Yeah. Not only did you have Seawald, but you had a better Andres Munoz too. and Eric Swanson, yes. Yeah, that's the key, right? It's not the guys that you don't have in the bullpen, really, for me. I mean, like, Seawald, yes. But it's not really like, oh, well, you had Penn Murphy and you had Eric Swanson. I mean, like, I have Justin Topa.

Starting point is 00:26:10 I have Game Spire. Like, those guys are pretty good as well. But it's, yeah, it's, Andreas Munoz is not as good as he was last year. No. Like, that's really the key. And now you're putting guys in different roles than they were in last year that they might not be as well suited for like Andres Munoz. So that's where it begins and ends for me.

Starting point is 00:26:33 Really. So yeah, definitively speaking, 2020 bullpen was better, a lot better than the 2023 bullpen. At least in its current state, like from where the 22 bullpen ended and where 2023's bullpen is right now, absolutely. Yeah. I do think it's a little bit about the departures, though. Swanson's really good.

Starting point is 00:26:56 And you've basically replaced him with Topa. So that's, I mean. Yeah. So if you want to say that's, that's how I look at it, right? I look at that kind of as like a wash. Right.

Starting point is 00:27:04 But what's not is is Paul Seawald. Like you haven't replaced Paul Seawald. You haven't. So yeah. Essentially, you just remove the Paul Seawald roll from your bullpen and you didn't replace it. And you kind of trying to make it work with Andres and Brash. And Brash is better this year than he was last year.

Starting point is 00:27:22 But no, I think Seawald is the. big missing piece here. So again, that's not to say they shouldn't have made the trade, blah, blah, blah. We're not talking about that. It's just this is what it is. Like you don't have because the thing with Paul Seawald, high floor, high ceiling, you can miss bats, you put him in there with a three run lead.

Starting point is 00:27:41 You feel like it's over. Like he's all the good things about, you know, high leverage reliever with all the, like, all the negatives basically cropped out. He's only going to implode once or twice a year. like Paul's a really important role, like his role in this bowl, just the stabilizer who could also miss bats and, you know, doesn't struggle to throw strikes. That's a huge spot to have in this bullpen and the Mariners don't have it like they did last year. And that's a problem for me. So, yeah, I would say definitively last year's bullpen is better than this year.

Starting point is 00:28:14 This one's still okay. It should be better than it has been the last 10 days. But yeah, it's no comparison to last year, in my opinion. Hey, by the way, speaking on this bullpen, why hasn't Dominic Leone been DFA'd yet? Well, he bizardo still on the roster too. What did Ryder Ryan do? What did he do? Someone tell me what Ryder Ryan has done to deserve this, this disrespect after striking out

Starting point is 00:28:44 Adley Rutchman and Gunner Henderson in his Major League debut. And they were like, nope, we don't want that. we want dominic leone and edward bazaardo get the hell out of here come on also proletta burroughs on the taxi squad just call him up stop stop with this will they won't they stop stop i'm done with this crap just bring up barroa dFA leone dFA bazaardo i don't really care that dude is not good and call up right or ryan please i beg you or riley o'brien i will take either one of those guys thank you bye bye that's going to do it for our show thank you so much for us here on the locked on mariner's podcast for colby pat node i'm tiding gzalas be sure to give us a follow

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