Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mariners Bring in Austin Voth as Collection of Relief Arms Continues to Grow

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

The Mariners have signed right-handed pitcher Austin Voth to a one-year, $1.25 million major-league contract, which is interesting considering Seattle may already have up to six spots in its bullpen locked up with a flood of names vying for the final two. Could this mean a trade of one or two of the team's mid-leverage relievers is on the way? Ty and Colby discuss that, as well as what Voth brings to the table, new offensive coordinator Brant Brown's philosophy coming into view, and Baseball America ranking four Mariners prospects in their top-100.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @TyDaneGonzalez | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!eBay MotorsWith all the parts you need at the prices you want, it’s easy to turn your car into the MVP and bring home that win. Keep your ride-or-die alive at EbayMotors.com. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers.Jase MedicalEmpower yourself when you purchase a Jase Case, providing you with a personal supply of 5 antibiotics that treat 50+ infections. Get yours today at jasemedical.com and use code LOCKEDON to get $20 off your order. GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDON for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Mariners 40-man roster is now full with today's edition of right-handed pitcher Austin. Both will tell you a little bit about him and talk about the collection of relief arms the Marrists have put together over the last week or so. And if that signifies, you know, really anything coming up here on the Lockdown Mariner's podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariner's podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day.

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The link, as well as our social accounts, is in the description of this episode. And on the show today, the Mariners have signed a reliever to a small major league contract. Right-hander Austin Voth on a one-year $1.25 million deal. Voth is one of several arms the Mariners have added in the past week to throw into their bullpen mix. We're going to discuss if this signifies, you know, an upcoming trade of one of the team's other relievers or something of the like. But first, let's just focus in on Voth.

It's a major league contract, which is a little bit surprising. The Mariners have, again, added a lot of minor league deals over the last week or so. They've made a waiver claim as well with Mauricio Levera. but this is a major league addition for the Mariners and awesome both. So Colby, what do you think about the deal and what do you think about both? Yeah, he's an interesting arm. You went to UW. He born in Redmond, so he was a Pacific Northwest guy.

So welcome back home. But yeah, it's a four pitch mix, but not the traditional four pitches. It's a forcing fastball, curveball, sweeper, technically is what it's classified as, and a cutter. So, yeah. Anyways, fastball, 92 to 94, not a lot of run on it, not a lot of value out of that pitch. That's a big hang up with both. But he does do a couple things well, and that is spin the baseball. Both his curbst ball and his sweeper have plus spin rates.

Curp ball, 17th best spin rate in baseball. So he can really spin the breaking pitches, and he can't get whiffs on those pitches. And the cutter is actually pretty interesting. It's about 91 miles an hour, 89 to 91. in that range and it's got some movement. You know, I found some clips of, there's a really, I found some clips that are on control the zone,

the Twitter account. He strikes out Fernando Tatis with a really nasty cutter. He's not afraid to backdoor that on lefties and just clip the outside corner. So the cutter has some, some interesting, you know, value to it.

But yeah, despite, you know, two plus raw pitches, he's never put up great numbers. He was pretty useful for the, uh, 22 Orioles in the second half when they started using them as a starter.

Like I said, two plus raw pitches, but not very consistent with him. He'll leave him in the middle of the plate at times. The fastball, again, he's not getting really any value out of that. And the cutter has been spotty. So this is a guy with good stuff, has not been consistent with his control, command, or his stuff. So it's really, you know, at this stage of his career, he's, what is 30 years old, I believe? 31. You know, it's not, it's not likely that this is going to turn out much for the Mariners.

But it's a one-year deal. It is just over a league minimum for a veteran. Like it's very, very small deal. It's easy to get out of. It's not going to prevent them from getting anybody else. I saw that whole like, well, a million dollars is going to prevent them from getting player X. No, it's not. It's not.

It's not. Any player you can get for 15 million, you can get for 14 million. It's going to be fine. And he's just, you know, interesting clay. You have a couple of, you know, plus breaking balls. You have an interesting cutter. And maybe the solution is as simple as throw the sweeper in the curveball a lot more and throw the fastball a lot less. We'll see.

It's an interesting arm. You know, we say this every time. Actually, two rules. Two of our rules apply here. One, if the Mariners acquire a pitcher, you should be interested automatically. They're really good at this. And two, there is no such thing as a bad one-year deal. So, you know, both is interesting.

He certainly is. He's not the splashiest guy in the world. He wasn't even really worth us doing an emergency podcast. Like, think about that. Technically, this is the emergency podcast. Sure. Well, I dare you to put emergency in the title. All right.

So, yeah. So both is interesting. He's an interesting arm. The fact that he got a major league deal, could you have gotten him on a minor league deal? Probably, maybe. But by giving him a major league deal, guaranteeing him a 40-man spot,

entering spring training, it's probably a deciding factor because perhaps both had an opportunity to go start on a minor league deal and see if you can make a rotation or something. So he's an interesting arm. And you can see why when you dig in a little bit, why the Mariners are going to have some interest in him. He also does have experience as both a starting pitcher and a relief pitcher and as a swing guy. So you kind of feel a lot of roles for you too. He's an interesting arm.

Yeah. Broke into the league as a starting pitcher. ended up transitioning to the bullpen in Washington back in 2021. was exclusively a reliever in 2023 for the Orioles. But in 2022, he both started and did some relieving as well. 101.2 innings pitch that year. 17 starts from 797Ks per 9, 274 walks per 9, 434 ERA, 414 FIP. And then this past year, 34 and 2 thirds innings pitch, 883, Ks per 9, 389 walks per 9.

519 ERA 510 FIP. So with that background of being able to both start and come out of the bullpen and essentially be a swing man, we've talked about that role for Anthony Descliffeani and how important that role might be for the Mariners this upcoming year. And it seemed like that role, again, was going to be filled by Descliffeani. But now with both, especially with the context of him being on a major league deal, do you think that this means they could end up actually flipping Descifani and trying to save some money on that $12 million contract? It's certainly one of the possibilities because, you know, if you essentially, if you give both a $1.25 million contract and then you trade Desclapani and eat half of his salary or whatever, you're still getting about $5 million net to your payroll. Now, Desclaphani is better than both. At least he has.

has been in his career. So it's not something that's guaranteed to happen. And also both, again, this is a guy who could in theory be like a middle relief type. So maybe it's not Disclophani who, you know, might be on the trade block now. Maybe it's someone of the Mariners middle relief types as they look to kind of, you know, go get that that infielder thereafter. So I don't know, I don't want to say it definitely indicates that something is going to come out of this. And it doesn't, I saw this idea that like Descliffeani and both both on the on the roster don't make any sense. It does. It does. And by the way, both doesn't have to make the opening day roster. There's no guarantee of that even though he got a major league deal. So.

Right. Yeah, I wouldn't say that it's a, it's a guarantee. But I think it's definitely something that's a little easier to swallow, you know, trading Desclophani because that role is important to this Mariner team. You need that swing guy who, can pitch in the rotation and give you a four, five, six a couple times, uh, you know, a month, uh, but can also get out some varieties and stuff out of the bullpen. So, uh, it's an important role. The Mariners add depth to that role and maybe just maybe it means Descliffeani, uh, is, is, you know, up for a trade.

Or maybe it means Gabe Spire is, is available or Justin Topa or Trent Thornton. I mean, who knows, but, uh, yeah, it certainly does seem like this deal could be a pre-le to a bigger deal. That's coming down the pipe, but it's not necessarily. I wouldn't necessarily count on it. So we're going to talk more about that and just all the arms that the mayors have brought in because it's quite a few over the last week or so. And just over the course of the winter as well,

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the Mariners have added quite a few relievers not just within the last week, but over the course of the winter. Awesome both. Anthony Descliffeani, Jackson Coar, Carlos Vargas, Maricio Lavera, Cody Bolton, Joey Crable, Kirby Sneed,

Ty Butchery, Jonathan Diaz, Corey Abbott. A lot of guys here, right? And some of this is just, you know, spring training bodies, right? It's not really out of the norm. A lot of these guys have signed Meyer League deals. But we're trying to project the Mariners roster right now, 26-man roster.

Feel pretty good about Andreas Munoz, Matt Bras, Justin Topin making the team, right? So there's three spots there. The Mariners typically carry eight relievers, pretty much all times. I feel pretty good about Gabe Spire and Taylor Soussato making the team. So that essentially leaves three spots for all those guys that I just mentioned, plus Pallander Baroa, Trent Thornton, Edward Bizarrodo, Ty Adcock.

Those are the other guys still on the 40-man roster. And again, you know, Voth is making Major League money, right? Desclyfani is making $12 million. They just gave Trent Thornton, I think, 1.3 in arbitration, 1.2, something like that. So there's three guys right there. There's your final three spots in theory, which would close the door on Coar, Vargas, Baroa, etc., making the team out of spring training. But I think those guys are definitely going to get a very long look to make the team. And I think at least one of those guys is probably going to make the team.

So with that, seems like there's going to be an odd man. out here and maybe it's as simple as Voth or Thornton you know that would seem to be the easiest way out or maybe it is Saucato maybe it is Spire how do you think this is going to shake out though and now that I've kind of laid that

out and laid those names out does that make it seem more like a trade might be happening here? First of all you can never convince me of anything so no second of all I would never try yeah Desclapani is definitely going to make the team if he's around like they're not going to

So there's really two spots open. Yeah, you know, it's an interesting group out of that. I don't think Saucato is actually much of a lock at all. I think he really has to earn it. I'm not quite sure. I think he's out of options, though. So, I mean, we'll see how that works out. But yeah, you know, I think they like Thornton.

And speaking of spin rates, Thornton really can spin the ball as well. So that's something. He was actually pretty good last year. gave up some big home runs, but he was actually solid for the most part. So I feel like he's, I don't want to say safe because he's not, but I feel like he's relatively, you know, well secured. And I think this is last spot really comes down to, you know, both Spire or sorry, not so, both Saucato, Baroa, maybe Coar, but we'll see there.

There certainly are some interesting names. Crable has some really fun, you know, peripherals and, you know, butchery was in 2019, he was like one of the up and coming relief stars before, you know, a lot of stuff happens. So, um, there's some really interesting names here. It does make me think that they are feeling confident that if they can't, if they have to trade one of their middle guys to go and, you know, be part of a package to go get the bat they want, that they'll do it. Like I think they've done a nice job of building up at least the, like the Thornton, Isaiah Campbell types. And there's some.

upside in this group as well. So I think when you list, when you, you know, you list all that out, obviously you're going to have to take options into account as we get closer to, you know, having to make the decision of who's going to be on the opening day roster. And injuries are always going to be a big X factor here. Who's going to get hurt in spring training, if anybody? So who's going to pitch poorly, you know, who's going to get traded? So a lot of time to figure it out.

I think the bullpen mix as it is right now, I think, you know, like you said, Topa, Brash, Munoz, Spire. If they're all here, they're going to make the team. So is Desclafani. So really, it's, you know, Sassado, Thornton, both. They're probably the three most likely to make it. And then Baroa, we'll see. But, I mean, Baroa's stuff is hard to ignore.

So is Vargas. So is CoR. Yeah. I mean, yeah, not exactly the numbers. But yeah, the raw stuff. Not the numbers. But the raw stuff. Yeah, no.

I'm turning myself slowly but surely into a Jackson CoR believer. Sure, which is ironic because that's how I started was a Jackson Co. our believer when he, you know. Are you implying that you're not a believer anymore? I just want to see it. You know, like obviously, you know, the slider and the change up have promise, but that's been true for three years and he hasn't done anything with it. So, and that's what we talk about with both.

Like, yeah, the curveball and the sweeper, he can spin it. Has it really led to much outside of, you know, the, the second half of 2022 in his career. So there are a lot of, a lot of options here. And there are a lot of guys who it's not going to be difficult to move on from. You would think in theory that the guys with the major league deals would have the edge because, you know,

they don't have, they could, everybody on a minor league deal, they could just ship to the miners and they could start them in AAA and all that stuff. And that's probably what's going to end up happening. That's the most likely scenario. But yeah, we can't roll out a trade at all.

We can't roll out a trade for multiple middle relief guys. I mean, if it takes Spire and, you know, if it takes Spire and Thornton to get a, you know, a solid second basement or whatever, you know, then they should probably do that. Yeah. So we'll see how it goes. But yeah, it's going to be a, it's, you know, battles really aren't a thing as much as people want them to be. But yeah, there's, like how they are in like football and stuff like that. No.

There's, there's, and it's not going to be based on who performs well. like in terms of just stats. So we'll have plenty of time to talk about spring training battles. We have to fill the February, March episodes with something. But yeah, I think, you know, the way you look at it right now, the guys on the major league deals definitely have a major leg up. But there are some legit arms in that, in that mix that you mentioned, that are on minor league deals that could just very well be better than Thornton

and both and all that. Like Cody Bolton, by the way, he can also spin it. Like he's got a good breaking ball. So I don't know if the Mariners are trying something new here, but the bullfin is definitely more diverse. There's a lot more non, you know, sink or slider types in this year's mix. And we'll see how they want to put that together. But it's, it's going to be fun. I'm really, there are a lot of arms.

I'm really excited to see this spring. And I just hope that means we get to watch any of them. But, you know, it's, it's expensive to fly a camera crew down to Peoria for six weeks. So we probably won't get to see much. All right. Yeah, of course. Moving on. To answer the question at the root of it, right, is, does this mean that something else is going to happen? Maybe. But the other thing that we have to keep in mind here is that relievers, relief production, notoriously volatile.

So you want to cover your bases. And if you have the opportunity to add a bunch of arms and add a bunch of alternatives that you can come through, do it. And I think that's what the mayors are doing here, right? they've added a lot of, you know, mid to low leverage guys that, you know, if they do have to trade, you know, Taylor Sosato or Trent Thornton or Gabe Spire or someone like that, they have other options to sift through. Or if one of those guys regresses or a couple of those guys regress, they have other options here. We're going to talk about a couple of other smaller items in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Airs podcast is brought to you by Jace Medical. So I know we looked at sports to escape from some of the, you know, the crazy realities of real life. But can we talk just for a minute about actually preparing for real life?

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last night's hot stove show, 710 Seattle Sports. And they talked to him a little bit about his philosophy, his thoughts on the 2024 ball club, all that. And there's been a quote that's kind of made the rounds here. Slug is thrown, not hit.

It's a very interesting way to look at things. It is far from a unique thought, right? At the end of the day, it's just take what the pitcher gives you, right? That's really what he's saying, right? which again, that's something that's existed for a long, long, long, long time. But I like the way that he worded it. And I think it gives us more of a glimpse into what his assessment of the 2023 Mariners offense is and kind of what the approach for the 2024 Mariners offense is going to be.

But to essentially, you know, explain that quote a little bit further. It's just about basically don't chase after power. Don't try to manufacture power. Let pitchers make mistakes and then make them pay for those mistakes. But just don't try to do too much at the plate, essentially. And he really went into detail on this saying, quote, first and foremost, it's not what the pitcher is trying to do. It's what you are trying to do to the pitcher.

Second, is there a situation that needs to get done to help us win that changes what you are trying to do? And three, we don't know which run in the game is going to, win the game. We have to understand at the end of the day is you have to know where you are at in the count. You have to understand as you get into deficit accounts, the slug goes down and the chase goes up. We have to modify our intent to where we are at in the at bat, where we are at in the game, and everything needs to be tapered towards a letter, which is a W instead of a number. So again, I think this gives us a glimpse into what his thoughts were on the 2023 Mariners offense, which is what we talked a lot about over the last, you know, nine months, right,

which is this team on many occasions looked like it did not have a game plan. A lot of the hitters did not look like they had a game plan that they were just kind of viving out at the plate and that they weren't adapting to different counts in different situations. And that's ultimately what Brant Brown has been brought in to address, right? This is why he is the offensive coordinator, not just the hitting coach, right? he is going to, you know, assess technical and mechanical things as well with his hitters, but for the most part, his thing is strategy, right?

And like, I know there's been a joke about like, oh, he's the offensive coordinator. Oh, he's up in the skybox, call and plays and all that stuff, right? It's not really what it is. It's just about crafting game plans ahead of time and talking with the hitters through these situations and kind of explaining, like, here's what we want to do on, you know, a two-two count, as opposed to what you're doing, you know, in a 3-1 count, right? Stuff like that. And I think that's very important again, because when you look back on 2023,

this team did not look disciplined whatsoever. It did not look like it really had much of a game plan. Like it really had any idea of what it wanted to do. And therefore, they really struggle to craft much of an identity as an offense over the course of the year. So I think Brown's going to really help that. And so hearing him speak last night seemed to give us some clarity as to what really his role is going to be with the team.

Secondly, baseball America released their top prospects list, and four Mariners prospects made the list. Cole Young at number 44, Harry Ford at number 51, Colt Emerson at number 52, and Las Montas at number 100. A little bit of a surprise. Colby, what do you think about Baseball America's list? Do you agree with it? What do you think about the ranking on Las Montas, especially?

I mean, I don't know, Las Montes is the 100th best prospect in baseball. I mean, cool, because I have him as like the Mariners 9th or 10th best prospect. But he's your not, Colby. He's your not. Sure. That's totally a thing.

Yeah, I have Las Montes at 10 in the Mariners system. So baseball and America and I disagree pretty hard there. I also disagree with Ford and Emerson. I think Emerson should be ahead of Ford, but it's one spot. So it's kind of hard to gripe. And even if you want Emerson ahead of Young,

again, it's like 10 spots. It's kind of hard to gripe. So, yeah, personally, I don't think, I think Montes is a big reach in the top 100.

That is saying that you believe the bat is special because he's given you nothing else. He's not giving you base running. He's not giving you outfield defense. Like, he's got a hit and he's got to hit big to be a, you know, a big prospect.

So, you know, baseball America thinks that. Cool. I guess. I mean, good for them. I disagree. But that's, you know, also I, I really don't like bat only prospects. I, you know, I tend to look for guys who can help you in multiple ways, have multiple paths to the big leagues. That's why guys are like Young and Emerson and Ford are really nice pieces because, you know, they all can in theory play up the middle. You know, they all can play, you know, above average defense at a prime position. And they all have, you know, hit tools. And so if, if, They turn into, you know, 25 home run guys, great. But they don't have to in order to help you. Las Montes is hitting, you know, if he gets to the big leagues and he's 240, 3, 30, 415,

like that's not really a valuable player because he's not giving you anything defensively or on the basis either. So, you know, I know that a lot of people are really high on Las. Again, I'm not. I would have, I would have preferred Tai Pete ahead of him. I would have preferred Gabriel Gonzalez even ahead of him. But yeah, you know, it's a first list. Lots of lots will happen. I think the Mariners will add one or two more throughout this year.

Personally, I think that Aidan Smith is the guy who's going to really take off and surprise people. And I think that Gonzalez is probably a fringe top 100 guy. He's probably in the 150-ish range, 125, 150 somewhere in that range. So I suspect we'll see more Mariners pop up in the top one. Yeah, I suspect we'll see more guys like that. more or less. But one thing that is becoming increasingly clear is that the Mariners farm system is underrated pretty significantly. It's a really good top 10 to 15.

It's only real. I believe didn't pipeline release like a poll or something from people in the league. Yeah. They pulled like one scout or one like, you know, scouting director or one GM from like every team. And the Mariners were tied with two other teams as having the most underrated farm system. I think they also did a similar poll and they asked for individual players. And I think Colt Emerson was named one of the two or three. He was the number one.

Yeah. So again, the Mariners pretty good at drafting. They're pretty good at identifying who they can help. They're pretty good at developing. I mean, we can't say they're great yet because none of these guys have gotten to the big leagues. I mean, Julio, Gilbert, Kirby, Cal. So we can't say they're great yet because they've only produced four all stars in the last four. years. But yeah, the Mariners, pretty good at this. This is the second time that they've basically rebuilt the farm in Jerry Depoto's tenure. And, you know, the first time they did it in a pure traditional rebuild sense. The second time they've done it as they've competed every year for playoff spots. And this year, the American League was. So, uh, Mariners player development, pretty good. Mariners ability, scouting, their ability to find talent. And keep in mind, they're not drafting in the top 10. They're drafting in the 20s. So, uh, yeah, to me.

me this is just a sign that you know the mergers can trade prospects and they can be aggressive trading prospects because they've been really successful at identifying and finding ones who can replace them the mariners farms system went from like number three to like number 20 after the castillo trade and now i think it's pretty solidly in that 10 area and it's going to get better they've added you know joseph from the from the international class they're going to have another good draft they always do And, you know, that's that's not counting all the young players that have graduated that aren't eligible for a list like this. But they're really good. And they are about the age of most prospects, Julio.

So, yeah, the Mariners farm system is in really good shape, despite not quite having that, not having that star in it. Like, there's no Julio in this. There's not even a George Kirby in this farm system. But it is a pretty darn good farm system. And there's a lot of interesting guys in it. Yeah. And also don't forget about Johnny Farmello, the Mariners other essentially first round pick this past year.

Mariners also linked by Joe Doyle to like an absolute physical freak who's who's going to be top five to ten in next year's international class. So yeah, they're doing work. Yeah, they are stockpiling talent in that in that farm system. All right, that is going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for

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