Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mariners Fans Have Changed a Lot Since 2020... and We Can Prove It!

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

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How did Mariners fans feel about the team three years ago? We're going to look back on that and how things have since changed here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. It is Friday, March 3rd, 2023. This is Taday Gonzalez and Colby Pat note for the Lockdown Mariners podcast, which is brought to you by

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The link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. On the show today, we're going to look back at a survey. we conducted back in 2020 to gauge the feelings of Mariners fans and compare those results to a similar survey we conducted a few weeks ago. Then later on we'll wrap up the week with a few quick spring training notes. But let's get into these surveys, Colby, back at the start of the pandemic when we, you know, when spring training was canceled and we didn't know if we were going to have a season or not, you and I were still writing over at a little website called Soto Mojo. For those that don't know, that's the Seattle Mariners blog over on the fan side. a network and you and I were trying to figure out what to do for content. So we put out a survey to gauge the feelings of Mariners fans on where they stood with the,

with the team and the rebuild and Jerry Depoto and Scott's service and the like. And this was a very different time for the Mariners, even though that it was only three years ago. This was well before they won back-to-back 90 game seasons and ended the drought and made the playoffs and all this stuff. And Julio became a thing and all that. This was back when, you know, Justice Sheffield and Evan White and Kyle Lewis were expected to be big parts of this rebuild. And I mean, this was even before the Kyle Lewis rookie of the year season because we still didn't know again if we were going to have a season or not at this point. So a lot was different at this time. So you have the survey there in front of you.

Let's go over some of these results, kind of react to them. And then, you know, a little later on we're going to get into the 2023 survey that we're. we did and kind of compare and see where things stand now. Yeah. So we should note that this is no way a scientific poll or anything like that. The questions, obviously the pool of answer. What do you call people who answer the testers? I don't know.

They are different, obviously. Then what they were three years ago and the questions are slightly different. obviously we had to update the new survey to, you know, accommodate the changes that have happened. So, yeah, it's an always scientific. It's more entertainment purposes. But I do think it's kind of fun to look at how a general Mariner fan kind of has had their feelings change over the last three years. And so, yeah, most of the questions are very similar or identical. And, yeah, you know, this first survey, the one we did in 2020, we got 335 respondents.

The one we're going to do in 2023, we got 260 roughly. So, again, not scientific in anyway, just more entertainment purposes. So where do you want to start, Ty, because we have, in these surveys, we ask people who should be inducted into the Mariners Hall of Fame, who should have their number retired. how do they feel about the Mariners rebuild? How do they feel about the Mariners future going forward? How do they feel about Jerry? How do they feel about Scott, that type of thing? So where do you want to start?

Let's start with the, let's just get the general stuff out of the way, like the Hall of Fame and all that stuff before we actually get into the nitty gritty of the rebuild and Jerry and Scott and all that. Sure. So obviously things have changed in this regard with the Mariners Hall of Fame because some of these guys from the 2020 poll have since been inducted or will be inducted into the Mariners Hall of Fame. And they're who you would expect, right? Back in 2020, 312 of 335 or 93.7% said that each year old deserve to be in the mayor's Hall of Fame.

And my first thought was, what's up with the other 6.3%? Yeah, right? Yeah. What are we doing here, guys? Yeah. That seems low. the next highest was Felix Hernandez 310, 310 votes of 93.1. Again, what's up with the other 6.9% of you?

Yeah, yeah. That's a layup. Wait, 6.9 are you, sir? Yeah, I did. Nice. Yeah, so some other notables in this particular question. Kyle Seeger came in third with 47.4%. So most people said, who took this poll, said, no, Kyle Seeger doesn't deserve to be a

Mariner Hall of Famer. we'll see how that changed. Fourth, fourth highest number of votes is Rick Riz, who's only at 46.5%, which, same on y'all. Same on y'all.

Yeah. Yes, but we'll, we'll see how he did in 2023. And then, you know, the rest are various. Rauli Banya has got 29.7%. My camera got 33.6. Nelson Cruz got 27%. And then just to hand,

full of other players. Even though he's not eligible, which he should be, but. Yeah, Alex Rodriguez only got 19.5. Like, so. As to be expected. Right.

So, yeah, two no-brainers, each row and Felix and obviously Felix is going into the Maris Hall of Fame, you know, this, the summer. Yeah. And each row went in last summer. So,

right. Pretty much nailed that one. As for Jersey, retirements and whatnot. 92% said yes to Ichiro for 51. What might be interesting is that only 48.9 said yes for Randy Johnson, 51. Wow. So less than half of the Mariners fans thought that the best pitcher in their franchise is history in Hall of Famer should have his number retired, which, yeah, okay.

Felix was a lot lower than each year. Only 78% in this poll. So 255 out of 335. but you know some other notables here um lu panella's number 14 got 32.7 percent uh Jamie Moyers uh number 50 got 20.2 percent and you know Dan Wilson got 10 percent Alex Arderiguez got three percent so right yeah you guys are or you guys were in 2020 not feeling particularly great about honoring the past of the Mariners that would be my general because I mean like a significant number of you are like each year old mariner

hall of famer no yeah that's that's that's sauce yeah all right uh let's get into this rebuild stuff because uh you've read this uh survey off to me uh a few weeks ago but i don't really remember it but i i feel like it's going to be barely negative towards the front office and the rebuild skeptical at least. Yeah, the thing you have to remember about us is that because we're conducting the poll largely through people who follow us on Twitter is how we get the word out. Our base of, you know, responses is going to skew more in our line of thinking, right? I guess. It's just the way typically works.

That's a good point, yeah. Yeah. But overall, this is from May of 2020, 334 respondents, they said that overall the mayor's rebuild. 75.7 said that it was on the right track as of. Okay. There we know. 11.4% of them called it an early success. Uh, so take with that what you want. That can mean, you know, oh, it's starting out well, but yeah, we'll see. Or it means, oh, yeah, no, it's, it already worked. Um, 6.3% said it was doomed to disaster. And 6.6% said it was on the right track. So in 20, basically in 2020, May of 2020, 12% of people, actually 13% of people thought that it was going poorly and it was going to end disastrously. And then 11.4% were like, I wouldn't say that it's, it's an early success, but I wouldn't say that it's definitely on the right track. So there's some ambiguity in the early success question.

So it's a little difficult, but 75.7% back in 2020 said that they felt. the rebuild was on the right track. All right. I mean, again, I guess because we were so positive about the rebuild and very excited about what we were seeing and the process from Depoto and company that, you know, most of our readers would probably feel similarly. And I guess that's ultimately reflected here. So that does make sense.

Right. It is funny to hear that people, that there is a pretty, I mean, six-ish percent of the of the vote is is fairly significant, I would say, uh, would, would think that it's just, it's doomed before we even got to see the 2020 season, which is really when we first got to see a lot of these young guys come up. And that was, and that was even, you know, a year before we would see Jared Kellogg and two years before we would, we would see Julio Rodriguez, who, you know, obviously is the biggest piece of this whole thing. So, uh, that's pretty interesting. Yeah. Um, just kind of wrap up.

how would you describe your current feelings towards the Mariners? In May of 2020, 49.3% of people said that they were cautiously optimistic. 37% that said they were very excited. So there you go. Congratulations on being right to the 37%. Yeah. Somewhat pessimistic actually had 8.4% of the vote.

And, quote, what future had 5.4%? of the vote. So again, we're at about nearly 14% were either pessimistic or basically didn't want to believe that a future existed. Interesting. And then we have some thoughts on Scott's service, right? Yeah. Simple straightforward question.

Agree or disagree. Scott's service should be the manager when this team feels that it's ready to compete. 53% disagreed. 47% agreed. so fairly split but you know most people believe that scott wouldn't be the manager when this team was good and i mean you and i were kind of in that boat as well back then because you you and i were definitely not sold on scott and for me i wasn't really sold on scott until the the the kevin mather situation happened and and you know scott's response to that whole thing and being

you know outward about his feelings about that and that earned a lot of respect for me and And let's just face it, he's gotten a lot better in terms of in-game management. He's still not perfect, but what manager and major league baseball really is, especially with like bullpen management. Overall, though, you know, Scott, in terms of being a culture builder, has to be one of the best in baseball. And you can tell that his, a lot of his guys really enjoy playing for him. And so he's earned a lot of respect for me over just the last couple of years, really,

and completely changed my mind on his ability to lead this team. not just to the playoffs now, but eventually, hopefully to a World Series. So, yeah. Yeah. And then lastly, we ask people agree or disagree. Jerry DePoto has the team on the right track. And 87% said that they agreed with that statement. Right.

And again, that's probably, you know, some of that is going to be a little skewed because it's probably more reflective of our line of thinking. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, and we were, we were very, very positive about where the rebuild was setting around that time. and, you know, we're pretty excited about, you know, seeing guys like Kyle Lewis and Justice Sheffield and never white that year. So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. All right, so we're going to look at how things have changed now in 2023 with the recent, most recent survey that we conducted here in just a

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Thank you again for making us your first listen. So, Colby, let's get into these 20, 23 results for the most recent survey that we put out to see how things have changed, how the feelings of the Mariners fan base have changed over the last three or so years. Yeah. Not very is how I would describe. Let's start with the, we'll save the number of retirements and compare those and whatnot at the end here. Sure. So one of the questions we asked in the second survey, you know, just a few weeks ago, was essentially the same exact question that we're asking now.

And it's how do you feel about the Mariners future? 73.2% said very excited compared to 37% who said very excited back in 2020 cautiously optimistic it was still 25.7% which weird

Really? Why are you cautiously optimistic after a playoff season? Weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. where you've just locked up, you know, a sye young contender.

You have two homegrown sye young contenders. You have a new P. Julio walked in for 14 years. I'll start catcher. But okay, whatever. I mean. So yeah. So that's actually down, though, from 49.3%.

So about half of the people. Well, you know, not the same people, but that number got knocked down by about 50%. Somewhat pessimistic actually got two. Two votes. Oh, two votes. Okay. I thought 2%. I was like, wow.

No. And what future actually got one vote. And we all know that's Jerry Savage to Poto, so I throw that out. So yeah. Ball that up. Throw it in the trash. Right. So when you look at, when you compare the two, right, the very excited group grew by,

uh, grew by, let's see. Almost like 40% right? Yeah. It doubled. Yeah. It doubled in the somewhat pessimistic. group shrunk by about half. So it's kind of a direct correlation there. But very few people. Only two people are somewhat pessimistic and then there's a troll. Who we all know. We all know who the

troll is. Of course. Of course. We're on to you. We're on to you Jerry Savage to Poto. Yeah. Of course. Or possibly Nathan Bishop. But the next question, this is as similar as we can make it to the previous one. Agree or disagree, Jerry DePoto has a team on the right track. The side question, the connected question here on to the side is, how would you describe Jerry DePoto as a GM slash president? Essentially as a baseball ops guy, right? As a guy who's leading the baseball ops.

46.7% said he's great. Okay. 47.5% said he's good. Okay. Yeah. 4.7% said fine. Okay. Which again.

Yeah. Explain yourself. And then three people or 1.2% said mediocre. Let me, let me put this as nicely as I can. If you're saying mediocre, if you're one of those three people, you're dumb.

There it is. Yep. Okay. And is there another answer? Like a bad, just outright bad? No. Okay.

No, I'm not going to let people troll us like that. Yeah. Because if you think he's bad, you're worse than dumb. And that's as nice as I could put it. The great to good conversation is interesting, right? I think, I don't know, how do you view that? How do you view, like, great compared to good? Is, like, great to you, like, someone thinks Jerry's, like, a top five baseball exec, or is it more just?

I don't care about, like, the tiers. You know what I mean? Like, to me, like, what is Jerry doing as a bit? Has he gotten the draft right? Yes. Yeah. Has he hit on free agents? Yeah.

For the most part. Yeah. Robbie Ray. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Robbie Ray. Is he handling the trade market well?

Yeah. Yeah. Did he build the farm system from worse to best in the matter of two years? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's the most impressive thing to me. Is the farm system still in good shape and about to get even better?

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Is the window still wide open? Did he go all in at the wrong time and shave a couple years off of the window? No. That's great. There's nothing more you want him to do.

I guess there's some people out there. He should spend more money, but we know that's not his call. Right. So I don't even want to hear that. But yeah. So to me, he's, I get the people who say good, but I think you have to be willing to say, well, he's good now, but he could be great. He just needs to win a couple more times, essentially.

essentially. Sure. But any idea that he's fine or mediocre or below par, that's stupid. You're stupid. Yeah. If you think that. I think I think good is a is a is a probably the best way to put it right now or at least the one that I can wrap my head around the the most because you know, again like they've gotten to the playoffs. But if you if you if you don't want to add the great distinction until he wins a couple more times, I get that. I totally understand that. If the team does, you know, Until the team actually maybe wins a division or something like that to consider him great as long as you get there eventually But I think there are a lot of people who like good is as good as they're willing to say Jerry Dotto will ever be And it also you know it also depends on what your definition of great really is what's your your point of reference for that as well Like what are you what are you what are you basing that off of right again again that's why I kind of ask about like the top five Top 10 like the tier just from a tier perspective because I feel like some people would kind of view it in that way and and so. But again, I couldn't care less how people view it.

I really don't. Just, he's good or he's great. Those are really the two options. And for the most part, the people in our poll disagreed. We're talking about a very small number of people. Right. But again, whatever. And then we have kind of our last comparison.

Well, I mean, the last, just basic question, right? In our last survey back in 2020, we asked, should Scott Service be the manager? when this, when you think this team's ready to compete, 53% disagreed with that statement. So 53% thought service shouldn't be the manager. Right. When this team was ready to compete.

So we asked a similar question now because obviously we can't ask the same exact question. Do you think Scott Service can win a World Series as the manager of the Seattle Mariners? 95.7% said yes. Wow. only 11 people out of 257 respondents said no yeah and I get it because I mean like look I'm gonna be real about this I'm gonna ask a question to our listeners right now who else would you want running this team

who do you else want running this ship right now Kevin Cash Bob Melvin yeah that's probably about it though I like I like Beaumel yeah but like seriously like there aren't that many better managers in baseball especially like there might be better around the margins but in terms of being a really good culture builder and balance that with at least a decent

in-game manager, I would say Scott is now at this point. Sure. That's kind of a hard combination to find in major league baseball. It's harder to find than some would probably think it is. And so, yeah, so it's just for me, like there really isn't anyone within the realm of possibility here that I would rather have run in the show than Scott's service, right? because again, you know, I could say Bob Melvin. I could say Kevin Cash, but those guys aren't leaving their respective situations.

So, yeah, you know, like if I was to part with Scott Service today, who do you want to replace them with? Like, who realistically could you replace them with? That is better. To me, I don't, I don't think there's a good answer there. So, yeah, I totally get that response from the fans. And that's the boat that I'm in. I'm, I 100% believe that Scott Service can win a World Series. with this team.

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And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen. So let's dive into these numbers on the, what, Fans feel should or who fans feel should be inducted into the Mariners Hall of Fame, which players should have their jersey retired, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. What do you got for me, Colby? Yeah. So some interesting movers and shakers, obviously off of the 2020 survey, we had to eliminate, you know, each your own and Felix. Felix, yeah.

They're in. So some new entrants, though, into this. But if you look at some of the holdovers from the last poll. There was some interesting growth on a few guys. Mike Cameron, for example, is that 33.6% in 2020. In this particular poll, he jumped to 60.5%. Wow. So that's a pretty sizable leap.

Nelson Cruz went from 27% in 2020 up to 38.3%. So still should be higher, but it's an improvement. Kyle Seeger. Seeger was only at 47.4% in 2020. Now he's at 79.7. Wow. Wow. So a huge jump for Seegs. What changed? What changed so much?

Look, I'm in the boat of Kyle Seeger should be in the Mariners Hall of Fame, but what significantly changed between 2020 and now that's made so many more people want him in the Hall of Fame? He was really bad in 2019. recency bias and then also on the other end of like well I kind of miss Kyle Seeger and that yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah true

whatever should should be any anyways yeah not in the last poll but I put them in this one for fun Franklin Gutierrez you know only only 8.6% which I get but yeah I understand I love Goody but but I also understand yeah right so here's

kind of an issue with with this poll that I couldn't fix in time. I forgot the S and Rick Riz's name. So I went back and I added the S, right? But I forgot to delete the old Rick Riz. So we had such a Colby moment. It is. Such a Colby moment.

But we had two Rick Rizzes on the poll. And so it's a little hard to know like did people vote from twice or right. But I just think the only fair way to do this is just to combine the two Rizzes. Yeah. Yeah. You guys remember back in the 2020 poll, Rick Riz was at 46.5%. When you combine

these two Rick Rizzes in the poll, you get about 79.6%. Okay, good. Much better. It should still be in the 90s in my humble opinion. But even if you ignore

like the misprinted Riz, like it still jumped up to 64.8% compared to 46.5. So yeah. And then some other ones I won't read because somebody had fun adding some not nice words to the to the poll. Really? Really? When I allowed right in voting.

Yes. Oh boy. Yeah. Not going to read. Fun, fun little note here. This kind of backs up everything we've seen in all the other polls. Mariner fans really like Scott Service. They're tolerant of Jerry.

Team Hall of Fame, Scott Service, actually got 23% of the vote. said yes. Scott serves deserves to be in the Mariners Hall of Fame compared to just 18.8%. Which I feel like they're kind of a package deal to the end. So weird, but whatever. And then number of retirements. Again, you know, the Mariners haven't retired any numbers between now and in 2020. So all the same entrance.

Whereas the last poll, only 92% of you said each year old deserves to have his number retired. In this poll, it was 98. Again, though, I asked the 1.2% of you. What gives? Yeah. Felix Hernandez in the last poll was 78%. In the updated poll, he's up to 86%.

So some growth there. But again, what's with the other 14% of you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, just some others. Randy Johnson went up slightly. He was at 49% in the last poll. This time around he was at 57%. Wow.

Yeah. Jamie Moyer actually went down. It's one of the few guys who lost votes. He was at 20% back in 2020. This year, he was only at 12.5%. Jay Buneer also went down from 19.3% to 14.1%. Wow. Yeah.

Lou Pinella, again, also went down from 32.7% to 28%. And then introduced in this poll, Kyle Seeger, who got 29 votes or 11.4%. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that makes sense. But yeah. Interesting. Interesting.

Well, yeah, there you have it, right? Like, I just, I don't know, man. Like, I feel like each row is definitely going to get his number retired after he makes a Hall of Fame. I think that's a no-downer. That's a no-brainer. Felix is interesting, right? because will the Mariners,

would the Mariners retire his number if he doesn't make the Hall of Fame? Because I think that's going to be a conversation that a lot of people in Seattle are going to want him, obviously, in the baseball Hall of Fame. But I think that's one that he, he gets hung up a bit. He stays on the ballot for quite some time.

Because I think he'll get enough votes to stay on the ballot and to stay relevant within that conversation. I just don't know if he's going to get to that. 75% ever. But it's going to be interesting. How do you feel about Felix and the Hall of Fame? Yeah. So the Mariners rule is that you have to be in the Hall of Fame for them to retire your number.

Right. They made an exception. They retired Edgar's number the summer before. Right. He was voted in the Hall of Fame because it was his last year. And it was all signs were pointing to him making it. So they went ahead and they made that exception. So, yeah, so Echeros will definitely be retired because he's obviously going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Felix probably isn't and he's got a lot of work to do. Like, I think the Mariners are going to have to put the same effort into getting Felix into the hall. Yeah, I think it's going to be a very similar situation to Edgar. Right. But I think they're going to have to work even harder because Felix doesn't have as good of a case. Unfortunately, the thing that Felix is missing in his Hall of Fame case right now is he doesn't have like those tax. on years, right? Where like, if he had had after he left Seattle, if he had had three seasons where he was just a two, two and a half win pitcher, he probably would be, you know,

probably not first ballot, but second, third, fourth ballot. He'd be a Hall of Famer. Like, there'd be very little debate. He didn't. He just, the cliff came and it came hard and fast. And basically from 2018 on, he was not that guy. So you're dealing with a really good peak, but a hard crash. There wasn't this like gradual decline. It was, it was a hard crash. So you kind of have to try and maneuver that. I think ultimately, Felix is, is such a big part of the Mariners history.

And he left on good enough terms that I think ultimately they'll, they'll put him, they'll put his number up there right next to each year. else, but I think it's probably going to be, I think they're probably going to wait and see, you know, if he makes a Hall of Fame. So he'll be on the ballot in two years, I think. Yeah. Not this winter, but the winter after. Yeah. I believe.

He'll be on the ballot. Yeah, because, sorry. It's just, you know, it's, it's going to be such a no-brainer for Seattle sports fans, obviously, for him to be in the Hall of Fame, like I said. But you, you look at the numbers and you look at the situation, right? never made the playoffs unfortunately that's obviously well documented doesn't have any rings only has the one siang um and you know got robbed of two others though uh and you know he finished with 54 f4 the the general sweet spot is about 50 to 70 for hall of famers but he's on the lower half of that so um right it's going to be it's going to be really interesting and then obviously

you know had the the rough few years there to finish the career and that kind of leaves a sour taste of it's it's interesting i my guess is that the first round of voting the first year he'll probably get between 25 and and 34 percent somewhere in that range yeah um and that's the starting point and it's gonna it's going to it's going to be a long grind uh to to kind of um this is where old school voters might actually help felix um just because they'll think about the peak and they'll think about well he was this time all star yeah yeah yeah it's pitched era you know, he was an all-star eight times or whatever. He was top five and Sy Young voting four times.

He won one, blah, blah, blah, right? Like that type of stuff will help. But, yeah, you just, I know there's a lot of people who are like, I only care about peak or I only care about longevity. And Felix doesn't quite have a long enough peak. He doesn't quite have the longevity. He's kind of a tweener. Like I said, unfortunately, if he had been able to go and pitch,

you know, if he was still pitching this year and he was going to be a one and a half to two and a half one pitcher as he had been for the previous three years, then he's probably a no-brainer Hall of Famer because he's just accumulating these counting stats at that point and adding to his war, which is an accumulation stat. Right. It's going to be an uphill battle. And I don't think his case is as obvious as somebody like Edgar's was. So we'll see how many allies he has outside of the city of Seattle.

That'll be key. All right. So real quick, before we hop off here, just want to go over a few quick spring training notes before we head into the weekend. Some non-mariners news, but some news relevant to Mariners fans, I would think James Paxson, who's with Red Sox and spring training healthy finally. And he's unfortunately hurt again. Pulled his hamstring during his start today. Seems minor, but yeah, just got to feel for Pax. That really sucks for him to get heard again here. Hopefully it's nothing serious and he's able to get back on the mound. Evan White,

some more injury news here with relation to the Mariners, was scratched from today's lineup against, I believe they're playing the diamondbacks today. Doesn't matter. Yeah, they're playing the Diamondbacks today. Mike Ford replaced him in the lineup. Justin Hollander confirmed that it's mild soreness and it just seems kind of precautionary from everything that we've heard. So fingers crossed on that. Finally, just some TV news for you guys in terms of how to watch the Mariners this weekend. They're going to be on Root Sports tomorrow.

With, against the Rockies. That game starts at 12.10 p.m. Pacific time. You can catch that game on MLB TV and Root Sports. And you can also catch Sunday's game against the Brewers at 12.5 p.m. on MLB TV as well. And the next two games after that, are also on MLB TV, the one on Monday against the Cubs at 12, 10 p.m. And then the one on Wednesday, they have an off day on Tuesday,

but the one on Wednesday at 505 p.m. Pacific Time against the Dodgers is also on MLB TV. So you can catch that. All right. So that is going to do it for our show. And that's going to do it for our slate of shows this week. We really appreciate you tuning in. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast for Colby Patnaud. I'm Tiding Gonzalez.

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