Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mariners Follow Up Luis Castillo Trade With Puzzling Deadline Day

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

The Seattle Mariners had a relatively quiet deadline after acquiring Luis Castillo on Friday, adding around the fringes of their roster with Jake Lamb, Curt Casali and Matthew Boyd. Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode feel the Mariners missed the mark with their deadline approach and tell you why in this episode.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] up to date with all things Mariners at Inside the Mariners - a FanNation website covering the Seattle Mariners on the Sports Illustrated network.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11 | @InsideMarinersFor more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Mariners made some moves, but did they actually get better before Tuesday's trade deadline? Let's talk about it here on the Locked on Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. What's up, everyone? Welcome to the Locked on Mariners podcast.

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Mm, okay. But it's kind of like the Hunter Strickland Rowanus Aaliyas thing from a few years ago where it's like, it's basically a catcher for a catcher, a reliever for a reliever. So it's like, yeah, two trades, same team, whatever. Doesn't really matter. So pair of trades, both with NL.S teams, the first one with the Giants, the Mariners have acquired catcher Kirk Casally and left-handed pitcher Matthew Boyd for catcher Andy Thomas, who was their fifth on pick in 2021. And left-handed pitcher Michael Shreifler, he's a 26-year-old relief profile.

Nothing really of consequence there. And then they trade our good old buddy cash considerations to the Los Angeles Dodgers for infielder. Jake Lamb, who's also played some outfield for the Dodgers. he's had a pretty good year through 25 games. We'll get into all of that. We're also going to tell you how all these guys fit later on in the show. But I think we want to first get our general thoughts out on this deadline and this very weird deadline approach by Jerry to Potto and company. I have a lot of thoughts that I put out on Twitter.

But Colby, before I get into a rant and start rambling and everything, I'll let you go first here. what is your reaction to this this deadline from the mariners well that's very kind because i have a feeling that if i let you go first i could leave the room at any point and you wouldn't even notice so i appreciate you letting me go first uh i would say that disappointing is a fair word uh i i think you know first and foremost you start at the top did them are the mariners better today than they were a week ago objectively yes they are um you You know, it's really, it's not close. They are.

I mean, minus the injured guys, they're coming back at some point, blah, blah, blah. But yes, you are objectively better today than you were a week ago. However, so are the Toronto Blue Jays. And so are the New York Yankees. And, you know, so are the Minnesota twins. So it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, you got better, but these other teams were aggressive as well. and it's a little frustrating, particularly when you see a team like Minnesota.

Like Minnesota is not white years ahead of you. They're not. I mean, like Toronto is a World Series contender, a legit World Series contender. So it would make sense that they'd be a little more aggressive. Minnesota, you're basically the same very similar rosters. I mean, let's just be frank. You're very similar roster. So to see them be as aggressive as they were, they went out and they upgraded their bullpen.

They went out and they upgraded their rotation. The Mariners, they upgraded their rotation. they didn't upgrade their bullpen, like, at all. It just, it feels like this strategy by Jerry Depoto was basically Mitch Hanager and Ken Giles count as trade deadline acquisitions, which is the dumbest thing a general manager could ever try to sell fans on. That does not count. You cannot fix issues with injured players. That is not how that works because there's no guarantee the injured guys come back and are good or that they come back at all. we think McChandigar is coming back, but he came back from injury once before, and he was out after one at bat.

Like, this type of stuff happens. So I think when you look at the overall, like, strategy of this deadline for the Mariners, disappointing is the word that you have to use because, yes, while they did get Castillo, and they did make some upgrades to the fringes of their roster, where's the impact outside of Casteo? I mean, because Sally is going to, there's 60 games left, because Sally's going to play 20, if you're lucky. You know, Jake Lamb, is he going to play at all? I don't know.

And same goes with Matt Boyd. And I love Matt Boyd. He's been a target of mine for like the last four years. Things change and he doesn't really fit right now. So I, to me, you know, I look at all these moves and I say, it's disappointing. It feels light. It feels cheap. But not in terms of money, just in terms of not wanting to get.

give up a few more prospects. And you kind of look at what some of the other guys went for today minus Soto, obviously. Not insane prices. Pretty reasonable, I thought. However, you know, you kind of look at the guys who weren't traded and you kind of have to wonder, well, you know, what's the asking on those guys? So it's a little bit iffy. It's a little bit, you know, gray. But to me, I think disappointed is just the right word for this. There are some that are angry. There are some that are overly optimistic. I think the correct response here is just to be disappointed because it feels like Jerry paid the freight to get Luis Castillo for two playoff runs.

And then he just kind of ignored the first shot at it because he didn't add anything to help that first shot, not significantly. So I would call it disappointing. I would call it ultra conservative by Depoto. and I just that's you can't you can't have that follow up your Louise Castile acquisition. It just doesn't make sense. It's an F because it's because of the Castillo deal. And it's because of the precedent that the Castillo deal sets that this is, it's go time now.

You have to, you know, like it's time to win in Seattle. Like that's what that deal signified on Friday night. and this feels like that deal didn't happen. It feels like today Jerry Depoto was trading with his 2018 farm system. You cannot tell me that there wasn't a deal out there for a hitter that would have cost Taylor Dollard. Alberto Rodriguez, Michael Morales, Jonathan Clause, it doesn't matter. Some bundle of those guys. It doesn't matter.

You cannot tell me that there were no. deals out there that would have cost those prospects. Not a single one. And look, I know a lot of guys didn't get dealt. Wilson Contreras, Ian Hap, the list goes on. And obviously that plays a part into this. And you have to wonder what kind of astronomical prices some of these teams were asking. Especially with someone like Contreras, because, you know, the qualifying offer is going to stay.

So the Cubs are at least probably going to get something out of letting him walk in free agency So there's leverage there So I can wrap my head around that But after seeing what Tray Mancini went for After seeing what Christian Vasquez went for After seeing what Wittmerfield went for After seeing what Tyler Naquin went for There were deals that were made

That the Mariners could have done And of course I don't want to get into this whole thing of like let's compare like you know what's the mariner's comp on this deal whatever because we don't know we don't know what players those organizations actually like from the mariners farm system it doesn't they don't care about rankings they don't care what jim callis thinks they don't care what keith law thinks they don't so the issue that i have with this so much is that what happened today because like don't get me wrong here the louise castillo deal is amazing it's great i'm glad that they did that that's awesome but what they did today is a massive failure because it puts even more pressure on healing players

to get and stay healthy and be able to be productive. And now on top of that, on top of the likes of Mitch Hanager and Kyle Lewis, etc., they've also added Kurt Casali into that mix, Matthew Boyd into that mix. Matthew Boyd might not pitch for you this year. He's had an elbow issue. He hasn't pitched since. September of last year. He threw a 40 pitch bullpen last week. And he might be able to go out on rehab assignment.

But there is no guarantee whatsoever that Matthew Boyd throws a single pitch in a Mariners uniform this season. Kurt Casale is working his way back from an oblique issue. And I like that deal. By the way, honestly, I like all these deals in a vacuum. But considering the timing, considering what you just did adding Castillo, it's a fail. It's a failure. So I'll tell you why I like Cassali deal for the Mariners in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bilt Bar.

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Thank you again for making us your first listen after the deadline. So let's get back into this. The Casally deal to be is the best deal of the three that the, or two, that the Mariners made here, because it does significantly upgrade your backup catcher position. I thought this was a spot that that did need to be addressed. I'm surprised that it actually ended up being addressed. I didn't think that that was going to be something that they were able to get done.

But Casali is widely regarded as a great game caller. He's a pretty good defensive catcher in general. He has a history with Luis Castillo, which Jerry Depoto has said, played a pretty big role in their acquisition of Casale as well. So I like it. Plus he hit before he got hurt this year. He had a 102 WRC plus. That is a massive upgrade over Luis Torentz this year. So from the defensive and offensive ends, that's great.

I like that deal. And honestly, that's the deal that I feel the most confident in helping the Mariners. The other two, however, the other two additions, rather, I just don't have any confidence that they're going to help. Because Jake Lamb has been good this year, but in 25 games. And that's nothing. That's a really, really small sample size. I can't take anything from that to the bank.

I can't. There's nothing that I can put any sort of confidence in on that front. Same thing as I said earlier with Matthew Boyd. I just, what is he going to give me? Like at most few innings, like here and there? Because, like, Jerry Depoto said today that, you know, after the deadline that he hopes, or he wants Boyd rather to work up to. 60 to 70 pitches in his rehab assignment whenever that begins

and work his way into being a multi-enning reliever for the Mariners. Which, okay, that's fine. I totally get that. Boyd has really good stuff. And it should play up in the bullpen. But we don't know how he's going to recover from his elbow thing. You know, we don't know, like, what kind of shape he's in right now. And we don't know when exactly he's going to be able to actually get back out on the mound

because he's only thrown bullpen sessions. He's only thrown a 40-pitched bullpen session as of last week. And it's already August 2nd. It's like when do I actually like get the payoff there on Matthew Boyd? When does that happen? And look, you didn't trade anything for him. You didn't trade anything of consequence for him. Nothing whatsoever.

You know, Andy Thomas, whatever. He was an undersling guy. Yeah, he was, he was trying, you know, you were trying to save money with that pick last year. You've already replaced them too, by the way, the eighth round pick out of Pittsburgh. Same profile. Yeah. So I just that, like that to me, you know, I said last week, if they didn't do anything to address the bullpen, that was going to be a failure for me. And Matthew Boyd doesn't count. I'm sorry he doesn't because like he might contribute, but there is no guarantee of that. There is no probability added here. There is none. Aside from Cassali, maybe, which by the way he's heard as well, like I said, so there's no guarantee that he.

he's going to be productive when he gets back as well. You know, we don't know how he's going to respond coming off of his oblique injury. So there really is no probability here. Right. I just, this is a team that need a probability. There's too many things right now that they're banking on going right for them with Mitch Hanager, with Kyle Lewis, with Ken Giles, with Taylor Tremel. And they just added more of that. They added more question marks.

I'm just, I'm so confused. I'm so puzzled by this deadline. I don't get it. I obviously get the Castillo deal. Again, I want to reiterate time and time again. I have no issues with the Castillo deal. I have issues with what they did today, though, because of the Castillo deal. It makes no sense.

How do you push all your chips on the table and then do this? How? How do you justify that? I don't think you can. Unfortunately. Yeah, it just feels like you like, I don't know. It kind of feels like you like jumped in to the pool like right, cannonball. And then like you got like halfway down and you're like,

oh, this was a bad idea. And you're trying to abort. But it's like you can't. Like you've already jumped. Like you're going to go head first in the water. You have to, you have to, you know, you can't go back. And I'm not saying the Mariners should either. I still do the Castillo trade. Because it made them significantly better. And then, you know, Castillo, did Castillo end up being the second best player traded in this entire deadline? I think you might have been behind Soto. So it's still a good move. But like what, yeah, the rest of this, the rest of what they did today,

it just felt like they didn't follow it up with any meaningful action. Now, because Sally will help if for no other reason. He is a viable big leaguer who, you know, I think Jerry said he's going to go out and rehab assignment this week at some point, or he was on it. and he's going to continue it in Tacoma. Yeah, he's played three games so far. Right. So my guess is that we see him by the Yankee series.

I don't think he's going to be down there all that long. And at that point, I think you probably DFA, Terens. I don't think you're carrying three catchers. A little weird you can find somebody to take him. Like I kind of get it, but also decent defensive catcher who hit last year. Whatever. But you're probably going to DFA him. Casale also, by the way,

for the most part hits lefties i mean he it's last year or in his career against lefties he hits 248 339 449 it's really good as a catcher i mean that's that's you know uh good a eugenio sweres uh so he hits lefties pretty well uh he'll give you a shot to rest cow because cow just i mean he can't he's 25 he's not like in like spectacular shape so it's not like he's just oh he's 25, you can just put him back there forever. That's not how that works. And every catcher's going to wear it down. But basically, Cal's at a point right now where he's not even getting full days off.

He's pinch hitting for Teren's late in every single game he gets off. So it'll be nice to have Cassali back there. He should help not only on the days that, not only on the days that, you know, Cow can't play. But there's a chance, you know, Casale maybe get some DH at-bats, particularly against left-handed pitching. Like I said, he can do some damage. He's not terrible against righty,

so Cal needs a day against the right-handed pitcher. I think Casale is a career 86 WRC plus against them. So not great, but it's survivable. It's certainly more than what you're getting from Trens. I like Matt Boyd. I've liked them a lot. I've always wanted to see him in kind of this role that Jerry's describing. I just would have preferred that they took this shot in the winter,

as in next winter after the season. This makes a lot of sense. both Casale and Boyd are free agents after this year, so they're rentals. Cassali could help a little bit, but again, you're still going to give Cal Raleigh most of the at-bats there. So unless they're willing to use Cassali as DH sometimes, first base, it's just not enough of an impact bat that you're adding to the lineup on an everyday level. So it helps.

It's a good move in a vacuum. And honestly, if they had gone out and they had gotten out, and they had gotten, like, even just Michael Fulmer, I probably would have been like, oh, well, you know, it's, I would have liked the better bat, but they'll give it like a B. You know what I mean?

It just, they didn't do it. Like, this is the second big move that you made is Kirk Casale. Nah, that's, no, that's not going to cut it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not, it's just, it's so disappointing. It's so, so, so deflating that, like,

this is your follow up. This is what you decided to do. Like, and again, I get it, you know, the market was very expensive, you know, the, at least in terms of guys with control. But, I mean, you look at the rental bats. It goes back to the conversation that we had yesterday. They can be had. It goes back to the conversation that we just had earlier, that, like, you can't tell me that there were, there were no deals out there where you could have traded a Taylor Dollar or a Michael Morales or what have you for one of these bats. For one of them.

Like even honestly, like even the deal that the, the Padres got for, for Drury, but they had to give up. I mean, again, you know, I don't want to go tip for tat here and say like, you know, what's the Mariners cop on that? But I feel like the Mariners could have done that. I feel like the Mariners had the ammo there to do that deal and feel okay afterwards after doing it. The one thing there is that they did get a shortstop. And so you kind of look at some of the deal. that the Mariners, oh, well, why didn't they go do that? Well, it's like, well, that Team X got a shortstop.

And the Mariners don't have a shortstop. And while you say, well, you can't do X for X. And that's true, if you have a player who can stay up the middle of the field, that guy is going to carry more value. So when you say, well, what's the equivalent to Jordan Groshan's for Pop and Bass? And he go, well, Jonathan Clossay, who's like three years behind Groshan. the Mariners don't have that guy. Right.

So it's kind of difficult because the Mariners don't have those young short stops who are semi close to the big leagues. I mean, they just traded their shortstop that's closest to the big leagues. And Edmond Arroyo is still four years away. So, yeah, they just don't really have that part of their system built up to make those type of deal. So it's frustrating. It's annoying.

But the whole like, hey, well, what's the Mariners equivalent of this? it doesn't work. And I saw people trying to do it with the Soto thing. I threw out my best guess. But at the end of the day, the Mariners don't have a C.J. Abrams. You know what I mean? So they don't have a Jordan Groshawns.

Yeah, let's quickly address that real quick. Because obviously, you know, Soto got dealt today. The Mariners were, you know, amongst those conversations, at least for the outside, right? Jerry DePoto said that they reached out and it became pretty clear right away that they weren't going to be able to pull that out. Immediately they pivoted. Yeah.

So They got McKenzie Gore C.J. Abrams James Wood Robert Hassel Luke Voight And I forget the

The pitcher that they got But they got a picture He's like a top 10 guy in there Or was a top 10 guy in their In their farm system Consensus It's a huge hall It's a massive

Massive massive Hall For Juan Soto and Josh Bell, one that the Mariners, even pre-Castio trade, pre-trading, no LV Marte and Edwin and Royal had no chance of doing because really some main reasons here, McKenzie Gore, sorry at the MLB level, he's hurt right now, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be anything that's going to require surgery. CJA Abrams also at the major league level right now, plays up the middle.

You're two big pieces in that deal. We're probably going to be George Kirby, who is at the major league level. you know, that's a fairly comparable player to a McKenzie Gore here. But the one thing that we have to keep in mind here is McKenzie Gore is like a year removed from being a top 10 prospect in baseball. So is C.J. Abrams.

James Wood is like a top 30, top 40 guy at worse. James Wood might have been the number one prospect in the Mariners system before they made the Castillo trade. Like he's a very good prospect. Yeah. Robert Hassel as well, like a top 30 guy in baseball, top 40 guy in baseball. I think he's a little overrated, but sure. That's what the consensus has them.

Yeah. So like the Mariners, I mean, if we're just going off of rankings, if you just want to do the rankings thing, which I don't care about, major league baseball clubs don't care about. They don't care about rankings. I'll say that time and time again on this episode. But let's just say it for the sake of the argument, because that's what everyone is using. The Mariners did not have outside of Noelvi Marte a single player that was ranked higher than the four guys. that the Padres traded in the steel, like the four top guys in the steel.

Yeah. I mean like Kirby, obviously, you know, like, before graduating, was like top 30, top 40-ish. You know, Noel V. Marte was top 10 or top 12 to start the season, but kind of fell off a little bit here. You know, but that's it.

But on top of that, they got two more of those guys who were just removed from that. And Abrams and Gore, and that's the guy. And again, Abrams is a guy that can play right now and can play up the middle, whereas Edwin Arroyo Nolvi-Marté is about a year away, a year and a half away, at best. Edwin O'Royo is probably three or four years away. At least.

That's hard to sell to a fan base when you're selling the face of your franchise and Juan Soto. The Mariners equivalent, it's George Kirby and Logan Gilbert or Julio. You want to trade Julio for Juan Soto? Of course you don't. You want to trade Logan Gilbert and George Kirby and prospects for Wonsoto? of course you don't. So miss me with the whole like, oh, the Mariners should have done that instead of the Castillo thing. They literally could not have.

You would have been mad at the price they paid for Juan Soto. And you could sit here and say, I'd never be mad that they acquired a generational talent. Yes, you would. At the price the Mariners would have had to pay for Juan Soto, you would have been mad because they would have gotten worse. And that's not the point of making that type of trade. So, yeah, it's not a big deal. You know, I don't know if it adds to the. frustration with today's deadline or not because the Mariners were connected to Juan Soto a lot,

but Jerry made it pretty clear. They asked what it would cost. You know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the price because they're out. So, yeah, um, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a nothing. And I'm, I'm, honestly, I'm glad we don't have to talk about it ever again. Yeah, that, that doesn't play into my feelings here whatsoever, by the way, just want to make that clear. Like, like, um, um, it's, like, um, um, it's, it's, like, like the Juan Soto thing that ship sailed a long time ago. That ship sailed when they traded for Luis Castillo. And now it's been revealed that that ship sailed as soon as the Mariners called them.

Right. So it was never a real possibility. And second of all, like you said, you know, it would have, honestly, if you're trying to create a comp for the Mariners from what the Padres had to give up. Yeah. I don't think that Logan Gilbert and George Kirby being both being in the deal is out of the realm of possibility here. when you're looking at what they had to give up again, which is two former top 10 prospects and two current top 30 prospects

plus more on top of that. Plus, like Luke Voigt, who's been good this year, who hits tanks, like, that's going to be a guy that is probably going to generate value for the nationals at some point as well. So like that's, the Mariners just didn't, they just didn't have the pieces to match up there. They just didn't.

So I don't hold that. against them. But what I do hold against them is not getting more aggressive on the rental bat market and not getting more aggressive on the reliever market because the reliever market, quite frankly, wasn't that all expensive as well. I mean, Horace went for like a dime. Right? Like the Mariners could have beaten that with, you know, Taylor Dullard and Jonathan Claucet. Like, and Lopez has like four years of club control that so i don't yeah there were there were deal there were certainly deals where i'm like the mariner should have i've done that or they should have found the equivalent and that's always a

dangerous game because sometimes jams fall in love with particular players and and it doesn't matter what you offer them blah blah blah blah so um it just you know it's we'll never know the prices equivalent of all this stuff so it's almost foolish to speculate but you look at what you know for example what like Tommy fan went for last night it's a bucket of baseballs like it's it's even christian vasquez didn't go for a ton tray mancini didn't go for it like you look at the rental bats that did go they didn't they didn't cost that much and then you wonder what the ian haps and the jd martinez like what those guys cost and and clearly it was expensive enough that nobody traded for them but that made it all the more important for seattle to go out and get one of

those rental bats. And honestly, just when you look at what those bats went for, I don't think you can draw a conclusion other than Jerry DePoto had zero interest in acquiring a rental bat. And that's a mistake. That's a mistake. Straight out of it's a big mistake. And it's, it's thrown on the back of like, oh, well, once we get Julio and Thai France and Mitch Hanigar back, like, where is that rental back in a play? Who cares if you get those guys back? If And I know we got good news on Julio. Sounds like he might only be 10 days. Great.

You still have eight more games without him. And oh, well, Ty France might be able to play tomorrow. The wrist is feeling okay. He took batting practice off of a tee. And the wrist was fine. So he's probably going to play tomorrow. Like, maybe. But that issue will flare up again.

Like it's just one of those things where Mitch Hanager could roll an ankle in the first that bat back just like he did last time. So, yeah, it just, it reads like Jerry was not interested in rental bats. I think maybe he was interested in bats. I just think he wanted control years. And it feels like a sense or it feels like a kind of Jerry falling into an old trap of his, which is that he values control years, which for the past three years has been Uber valuable in 2022, where the Mariners are right this moment, control years don't mean much. They shouldn't at least. And it just feels to me like Jerry looked at Brandon Drury and Tommy Fam and I don't know,

Jock Peters, like whoever. And was just like, well, if you had a year and a half, I'd go after him. But I'm not interested in giving up a fringe top 20-ish prospect for Tommy Fam. Like, why? Don't tell me Carlos Santana. Don't tell me Mitch Hanager. Don't tell me Julio. Don't tell me Jesse's going to turn things around.

Don't tell me, oh, well, Adam Frazier was good for a month, even though he was trash for the previous hundred games. I just, it doesn't make sense. The Mariners needed to add a bat who could play every day. They didn't. They added two guys who are going to be on the bench most days. I don't even know how Jake Lam fits on this roster, to be honest with you. And so we'll see.

Basically, Jerry Depoto thinks he's smarter than everybody, or he is, and we're fixing to find out. Because if Mitch Hanigur comes back and he struggles like he did at the start of year and for long stretches last year, this mayor's offense is not going to get better, and it might cost them a playoff spot. And because you didn't go and back that up with actual assets, you paid the price, you paid the freight for two playoff runs with Luis Castillo, and you basically punted one of them.

It doesn't make sense. So now we're at this point where, you know, we just got to hope and pray that Jerry de Poto is right, that everything is going to. a break for them, which it's not. It's not. I fear that it's not. We know that he'll point to like, oh, well, we got Travis Jankowski and Jonathan V.R. And whoever else they signed a minorly contract yesterday. And it's like, those do not count. Those are meaningless moves. Like, if Jonathan V.R. comes up and gives you anything, great, bonus. If Travis Jankowski is up and he gives you anything, great, bonus. Those are not.

trade acquisitions that count. They are not a part of this trade deadline deal. That's minor league depth that you hope that you never have to use. If you were smart and you built your roster correctly at the deadline here, you would never have to use those guys unless there was an injury. Now it feels like Jonathan VR is probably going to get important at Bats sometime in September. That's a problem. Yeah.

I'm just, I'm dumbfounded. Honestly, I'm almost speechless that this. is it, you know, 6 o'clock my time went, that's, that was the deadline here and came and went and I was just kind of waiting for like the deal to trickle down and it just never did.

Just never did. Because like these are fine moves in themselves, you know, like I said, in a vacuum, I like the deals. They're fine. I like taking a shot on Matthew Boy. That's interesting. I like upgrading backup catcher with Kirk

sally. I like maybe taking a chance on Jake Lamb and seeing if his 25 games are legit, not giving up anything for him, you know, from the Dodgers. Like, I like that. But the fact that that wasn't followed up with a Whitmerfield, that wasn't followed up with a Tray Mancini. That wasn't followed up with, you know, Tyler Naquin, what have you. That's just, it just, or like actual bullpen help. Bullpen help like today, like guys that are going to help me tomorrow. That's the other issue too that I have with this as well before we hop off here is that you're hurting right now. And you didn't get anyone aside from Jake Lamb who can help you right now. Kurt Casali and Matthew Boyd are hurt right now.

It's like so you didn't even do anything to address what the issue is at hand. You're playing against the Yankees. These are big games. These are, you know, a little bit of a litmus test for you. And obviously, you know, when you're at, you know, hopefully full strength or a little closer to full strength, the next time you see the Yankees next week in Seattle, like, while that is probably the bigger test for you, these games still matter. You still got to be able to win some of these games. You want to try to avoid total disaster. You don't want to, you definitely don't want to go to Seattle, go back to Seattle against an Angels team that just.

sold at the deadline and because you're missing a couple pieces you drop two or three games against them like you don't want that to happen like they didn't even get help for right now for this very moment i just i just it's almost as if they were trading from the perspective of a team that's on the outside looking in not holding a second wild card yeah it felt kind of similar to last year's trade deadline um minus the cast deal they honestly like a Aside from like, obviously the Luis Castillo deal is bigger than any deal that they made last year. But I feel like in the end, they added more impact last year. In terms of just bodies.

More places. Yeah, more places and more places. They impacted their starting lineup, the bullpen and the rotation. Whether or not that impacted the, you know, as much as Castillo will. Probably not. But they did take care of the bullpen in the line. They took care of the bullpen, second base, and the rotation last year. this year they fixed the bullpen and the backup catcher

or sorry they added a starter and a backup catcher and they hope they fixed the bullpen with Phillips Valdez and Matt Boyd. They hope they added depth with Travis Jankowski, Jake Lamb and Jonathan VR. Okay. We'll see. Hopefully they're right. Hopefully they're right because

you've added a lot more uncertainty to a playoff push that was looking close to locked up for them. They had an opportunity to hear, a real opportunity to set themselves apart from some of the teams that are chasing them. They didn't do that. And a great starting pitcher and nothing else. And it feels like they fell even further behind the teams that they are chasing.

It's the other thing too. So I said, I hope it works. I don't think the Mariners set themselves up particularly. well to go deep in the playoffs. So like their odds to make the playoffs. But even that is a bit strained. I guess the good news here is that if you're looking for

very, very small silver linings, Tampa didn't get significantly better. Baltimore didn't get significant. Baltimore sold. Boston. I don't know what the heck. Boston's doing. No idea what Boston's doing. Chicago didn't really get that

much better. Cleveland didn't do anything. So it's just like, you definitely you probably got better out of everybody who's trying to overtake you for that number two wildcard spot, but you fell further behind the Yankees, the Astros, and the Blue Jays, in my opinion, and I think the twins. It's missed opportunity, I think is. And I think it's valid to be disappointed that they didn't take advantage of this opportunity. All right. Well, that's going to do it for our show. Hopefully we're in a better mood tomorrow.

You know, a Mariners win tonight would certainly help on that front. Hey, Ty, you know what tomorrow is? Tomorrow is a day game, so we're going to be doing a postgame show. Right. It's also Louise Castillo Day, baby. It is also Louise Castillo Day, of course, yes. We will be in a better mood unless, you know, somebody gets hurt. Now, of course, he is facing Garrett Cole.

You know, couldn't have gotten a little bit of an easier, matchup, but hey, you know, whatever. I guess we'll just put it to the test. You know, Luis Castor can go toe to toe to toe with any pitcher. So like, Jake Lam's taking, Jake Lam is taking Garikolde deep twice tomorrow at Yankee Stadium. Put it

in the books. All right. See you guys. Mary's legend Jake Lam. That's right, baby. Forever from one game. All right. So again, post game show tomorrow. So we'll be up a little bit later in the day than we usually are just like today. And then we'll be back on a regular

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