Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mariners, Jesse Winker Headed For Divorce?

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

Are the Seattle Mariners and Jesse Winker headed for divorce? Colby and Ty discuss the revelation of disinterest from Seattle Times Beat Reporter Ryan Divish on 710 Seattle Sports. Can the relationship be saved? Or is Winker's reported laziness too much for the team to overlook? Then, it is time to hand out some awards. On today's show, Colby and Ty crown their biggest surprise and biggest disappointment of 2022! All of this and more on today's episode of Locked On Mariners!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/RhoneThe Commuter Shirt can get you through any work day and straight into whatever comes next. Head to rhone.com/LOCKEDON and use promo code LOCKEDON to save 20% off your entire order.Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Is Jesse Winker a lot to play elsewhere in 2023? It sure sounds like it. We'll be discussing Ryan Dibbich's comments on the clubhouse's disdain for Winkers' reported behavior this past season and also named the Mariners' biggest surprise and biggest disappointment here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day.

It is Wednesday, October 19th, 2022. this is Tiding Gazzalas and Kobe Patnaud for the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen. Subscribe, like, and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube, or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform if you like what you hear. And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. And on the show today, we'll be dissecting Ryan DeBish's comments on the Jesse Winker situation.

And we'll begin handing out our season awards for the Mariners with the biggest surprise. which is going to be a positive surprise, not a disappointing surprise, because we are also going to be handing out our biggest disappointment award from the 2020 campaign. But before we get into the meat and potatoes of our show, we've been asked this quite a few times on Twitter and on here about what our schedule is going to be like now that the season is over. So to clarify that, so we don't have to answer any more questions about it. I'm sure there's still going to be people that ask. But we are still going to be five times a week, Monday through Friday, all the way through the winter meetings.

That's currently the plan. And then after the winter meetings are done, we'll be going to three times a week. We're planning on doing that Monday, Wednesday, and Friday like we did last year and then doing our Patreon show on Tuesday and Thursday until spring training begins. And then we're back to our regular schedule until the winter meetings again, basically. So, yeah. So now that that's, now that we've said that, hopefully that clears up all of the. that for a lot of folks. So you are not going to be getting rid of us that easily.

Not until mid-December, it seems. All right. So yesterday, you guys wanted us to talk about the Jesse Winker situation, but yesterday was kind of our send-off for the 2022 ball club, and we wanted to keep things positive and keep things light on there. But now let's get into it. This was the big news story yesterday. Ryan Dibbisch was making the rounds on the radio.

And I believe he was on KJR. And then he went on 710 Seattle Sports and talked to Brock and Salk, right, Colby? Yep. Yep. So I believe this quote, and I'm going to read this, this comes from Joviara on Twitter, who I believe transcribed this for us. And I believe this is from Divish's appearance on Brock and Salk, where he said, quote, I think by the end of the season, it's what scouts call a tired act.

I just think some players, some of his team, teammates were done with him. We're just tired of putting up with him. And I think that the team is frustrated with him. Everything that Mitch Hanager does to prepare for a game and to get ready, Jesse Winker is kind of the opposite. I mean, I can say it. He may not like it, but I think he's not very physically strong. I don't think he puts in the time to be better defensively or have a better arm or any of the work that should be done. And really, it is counter to what has made this team great. The last few years, this team prepares more than any team I've ever seen on a daily basis to be ready to play that day and he doesn't he doesn't always you know it's just not there and it's

noticeable players notice it i think part of it too is when he didn't post for that double header and guys were having to play 18 straight innings i think that bothered some players and once you lose your teammates why be there so there's going to be some hard conversations either with jesse from this front office or they're just going to move on and scott service has said that a lot of times we have a plan we have a way we play. We have a way we prepare. And if you don't like it, we'll find somebody else that does if you can't do it. So, Colby, let's start right there with that.

Divis says that there are going to be meetings with Jesse Winker. But given everything that we've heard, and by the way, this has kind of been the worst kept secret around the Mariners for a while. This has been known that teammates have been rubbed the wrong way by Jesse Winker's performance and how he's prepared. but if they are going to have these meetings, is there any way to salvage this relationship at all? Or is Jesse Winker for sure going to be playing in another uniform next year?

I think there's a way to salvage it. You know, it's interesting. Essentially what Divish is saying is that Jesse Winker's lazy, right? And that people in the Mariners' clubhouse, they believe he's lazy too. And that's a problem. the meetings that they're going to have with Jesse Winker, it's worth noting those are standard. They have them with every player.

It's an exit interview. This is what we want you to do this offseason. This is what, blah, blah, blah. And they do that with every player who's under contract through next year. And that includes Jesse Winker. So, you know, I think you have to have a heart to heart here. I think that not only does Jesse have to participate in, you know, the culture of the Seattle Mariners, but he has to exemplify it now because he's already proven that he's not willing to do so.

It's something that maybe he could have gotten away with if he was producing. He didn't. At any point this year, was he a good Major League Baseball player? So it's going to be tough for him to recover that relationship. I don't think it's impossible that he sticks around. You know, the resume does still speak for itself despite the bad year. And Seattle does owe him, I believe, $8 million next year. it's possible that he sticks around because I don't foresee the Mariners just DFAing him and losing $8 million for nothing.

But it's hard to imagine that he's going to have much trade value either. So I think it comes down to a heart to heart. And if you feel like maybe Jesse is willing to commit to the mariner way or whatever we're going to call it, then I think you can give him a shot and see how he does in spring training. And if he just flat out won't do it and he refuses to do it, then I think, think, you know, you just, you have to eat this one and then say, we know, we made a bad decision on Winkert. We thought he was, he was, you know, a mariner, and it turns out he's not. There's nothing wrong with having standards in your clubhouse and, you know, removing those

who won't meet your standard or refuse to meet your standard. And, you know, honestly, I mean, I don't want to bring this all the way back, but this is basically what we heard about with Felix Hernandez, right? It's the same type of idea that this team, they grind, they prepare, They put in the work pregame and they spend just as much time off the field thinking about that day's game as they do playing it. And, you know, Felix didn't want to do any of that. And now it sounds like Jesse Winker didn't want to do any of that. And Felix stuck around until the end of his contract because of how much money he was owed. And, you know, Jesse not the same situation.

So it's definitely possible that he's played his last game as a Mariner. But I do think there's a chance that there can be a real exchange here. and, you know, maybe it serves as a wake-up call for Jesse that he just can't roll out of bed and play baseball. So you were talking about the contract. Remember, they bought out his arbitration year. So it's $8.25 million this year. So again, they're probably not going to just outright DFAM and eat that money. They're going to try to salvage as much as they can if they do have to part ways.

But I think it would be most favorable for both sides, really, to work this thing out. because, you know, there's still a way that the Mariners could use him as their roster is currently constructed. Now, that can obviously change over the course of the off season and Winker could end up being more or less expendable. But right now, as things currently stand, there is a path to, you know, for Jesse Winker to help this ball club in 2023. Primarily as a DH, of course, because look, even if he were to put in more effort, because, you know, I think the big part of this and I think even Diffbich talked about it, it's the defense, really. that is the big thing that has rubbed Mariners teammates the wrong way. And I would assume it's really the pitching staff, right? Because he costs them runs.

He costs them runs this year. And so even if he is able to improve the defense a little bit, he's still not a talented defender whatsoever. You go back to his days in Cincinnati. It was still a disaster. It wasn't necessarily as bad as this, but you don't want him playing consistent innings in a corner outfield spot at all if you can avoid it.

So that, said, though, I think you can still help this team. And really at the end of the day, if they do trade him, if they do part ways with him, they're still going to have to eat some of that money, I would think. And they're probably not going to get anything useful in return for him. So it's just kind of a loose, lose situation and in that sense for the Mariners as well. But, you know, at the end of the day, while this is surprising to hear with just kind of everything we knew about him in Cincinnati, and even there have been people in Cincinnati that have talked about this and have said like this wasn't a thing this was never a thing with jessie winker it it is um like

like i like i said though this has been kind of the worst kept secret with the mariners this past year and really though you didn't even need to hear any rumblings that were going on because you could just see it on the field you could see that he wasn't putting the work in you could see that he was overly pressing and that you know things were really getting to him and i think that's also part of it as well is that he kind of went into his own shell this year as things started to get worse and worse and started to snowball and then injuries started to occur for him as well and just everything kind of culminated in him just really I mean I think it's as simple as just him not really liking baseball this year and so you know hopefully he can refine that love this off season and work through

some things but you know we had heard that you know he he wasn't really putting the work in and that you know when it came to his uh his approach at the plate that you know he was doing things outside of the organization all this stuff to work on his swing and then he was coming back and he was changing his swing and changes his approach like every couple weeks and it just there was no consistency there from winker and he was clearly obviously pressing a lot and so hopefully he can reset revert back to neutral, get healthy this off season, and really try to work on himself because he needs to. If he's going to stay in Seattle, he's got to do that.

And he's got to show a willingness to do that right now. He's got to show that he's ready to go right now to put in the work this off season. If not, he's out of here. And if the mariners have to eat all the money and they don't get anything in return, they're unfortunately going to have to do that because this team, as we've seen, they want guys that fit this clubhouse that fit their culture. and it doesn't matter who you are and how much money you make if you don't do those things. If you don't check off those boxes, you're not going to be a Seattle Mariner.

Yep. Yeah. So we're going to be talking about Winkers' Year a little later on in the show. But first, we're actually going to get hashtag positive here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Talk about the biggest positive surprise for the Mariners in 2022. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Roan. We all know that when you look good, you feel good, but sometimes looking good means putting on uncomfortable fitting clothing that don't breathe and limit your mobility. The dress shirt in particular

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Thank you so much for making us your first listen. We are going to start handing out some season awards for the 2022 Mariners now that we've said goodbye and all that good stuff. And we're also going to get into some player reviews on the Lockdown Mariners podcast a little later on. Maybe in a week or two. We'll start doing that, start doing individual player reviews. But let's start by handing out some big awards. And let's start with the biggest surprise, the biggest positive surprise from this year. one player that surprised us that came out of nowhere and produced for this team.

Colby, I think there's an obvious answer here, but I'll start with you. I'm interested to see what you think. I think for me, I'd have to say it's Cal Raleigh. I think Raleigh, you know, he certainly had this in him, obviously, because he did it. But, you know, I think we all kind of thought that, yeah, you know, Cal is still probably the catcher of the future. but it'd be nice if he came up and he did something to show that he's that guy. But I think we all kind of assume that, you know, this is going to be Tom Murphy and Luis Terenz. And, you know, Cal probably get some chances here and there.

But, you know, unfortunately, Terenz never really hit. And, you know, Tom Murphy went out for the year in, what was it, late April, very early May. And so, you know, Cal was kind of forced to come up before I think the team even really wanted him to come up. And all he did was, you know, take a stranglehold of that. catcher's job and, you know, produce one of the best seasons by catcher and franchise history, if not the best. And, you know, kind of enters this offseason as arguably a top five catcher in all of baseball.

When you look at defensive metrics, you look at the power. And he was even great in the postseason. So, yeah, I think, you know, Cal Raleigh kind of, based on what we saw last year and what we saw very early, you know, in 2021, I think the first. fact that he ended the year as a legitimate, you know, cleanup hitter for this team and, you know, hitting cleanup in the playoffs and hitting a ton of big home runs and his at-bats in the Toronto series were the best we've ever seen from him. And he just appears to be turning up. So I think for me, the biggest surprise has to be Cal Rale. I would throw a, I would throw a nod

to a Eugenio Suarez, who, you know, has done this type of thing before. So it's not as big of a surprise, but based on what he had done the previous two years, it was certainly a, it was a bit of a surprise at least. But to me, the answer here is a Cal Raleigh. Yeah, got to give a shout out to Suarez, but I think, you know, when I said that I think that there was an obvious answer here, I was referring to Raleigh as well. I mean, for what you said, being, you know, starting the season is basically the Mariners third catcher with Luis Ferenz and Tom Murphy and then eventually getting sent down and then having to come back up like whatever it was six seven days later and just looking completely reinvented both at and behind the plate uh he ended up being a

4.2 f4 player this year like he was incredibly value one of the valuable one of the most valuable catchers in all baseball uh he ends up hitting 27 home runs including of course the the drought ender and you know he ends up getting plus 18 defensive war from fan graphs. I believe he was 83rd percentile in framing. Like the, the catching metrics are off the charge for Raleigh. And on top of that, I mean, he looks like Jim Tomey at the plate, like a little miniature Jim Tome.

It's pretty awesome. That swing from the left side is incredible. It's incredibly explosive. And, you know, I think he's going to start hitting for a higher average starting next year. We'll see if he can get the on-base percentage over, over 300. because I mean, look, he posted 4.2F4 while slashing 211, 28449. I think those numbers can go up. Each of those numbers can go up pretty significantly for him in the next few years.

So we're talking about potentially a six-war player in Cal Raleigh. That might, like, Cal Raleigh could potentially, I'm not saying he definitively could be. But there is a path here for Cal Raleigh to be an MVP candidate in the next couple of years with the way that he's going. If he looks as good, if he takes his playoff performance and just like extrapolates that over 120 games next year,

he will give votes for a most valuable player. They'll be down the ballot. I don't think he's the type of guy who's going to win that award ever. But again, we're talking about four and a half to five win catcher who at the end of the year, again, was, it wasn't just that he was sitting home runs. He was spraying the ball all over the place. He was working

counts. He was laying off extremely tough pitches. he was the mariner's best hitter in the in the in the postseason uh and he just he looks you know every bit the part of you know one of those guys he looks like he's on the way to become a joe mauer buster posey you know he made j t ralumuto for a more modern comparison like he's in that echelon right now i believe he also let all baseball and runners caught stealing so um you know this is this is really about as as well-rounded of a catcher as you can find and uh you know it's It's worth noting that he did most of his work in the playoffs or all of his work in the playoffs with a thumb that had a torn ligament and bone chips in it. So, you know, just you had all that together.

And Raleigh is not only a, you know, a great catcher. He's also kind of a building block player. He's a foundation player. And that's he put himself in that position when five months ago we were wondering like, you know, is he a backup? Is he, you know, is he the guy that you have to find a 50? 50-50 partner with. Is he a platoon guy? And he's answered most of those questions in just five months. And now he's gone from, you know, we'll see what he is to he's part of the foundation. And that's pretty, pretty impressive. And on top of that, I mean, like, well, yeah, first, let's talk about the legendary run in the postseason and in the last couple weeks of the regular season. You know, after he slid into first against, what was it, San Diego, and he injured the thumb, he had a piece of the thumb bone chipped off. He has a torn. He has a torn. in UCL in his left thumb. I believe he's having a procedure on that if he hasn't already to repair that. And he hit the drought ender with that. He hit the home run in Toronto with that.

He hit like a couple other extra base hits in Toronto and, you know, had some big moments in the postseason overall. And then in the final game of the season caught 18 innings and 236 pitches on that left thumb catching the likes of George Kirby and Matt Brash and Paul Seewald and Andres Munoz. And by the way, let's mention Andres Munoz here as well. I think he was a pretty big surprise this year because look, the guy coming off of Tommy John surgery only through one inning last year in the series in the season finale came back. First couple months of the year weren't great. And then this year and then from that point forward ends up finishing seventh and in reliever F war with 1.9. He was I believe fifth in K's per nine this year amongst all

relievers. Andreas Munoz was incredible and going back to Raleigh real quick, you know, on top of everything that he did for this team, he also became a leader. And I think that was pretty evident on the field and, you know, when they would have, you know, some of those meetups on the mound and just kind of how he would take the lead in those situations and just seeing how this clubhouse is kind of, you know, rallied around him. And of course, with the name, you know, the big nupper thing and all that, just the legend continues and continues to grow. Cal Raleigh, this post season especially kind of became a little bit of a household name as well because of just you know what he's become the the nickname what he's been able to do for this team ending the

drought all the big moments of the postseason he's going to be a guy he's going to be a guy i think he ends up making an all-star team next year you know barring health and all that stuff the this team is in great hands with guys like hondres munoz cow rale and a johenio swaras so all right uh We are going to be talking about Jesse Winker. I think that's pretty clear. I don't think we need to keep that a surprise going into our next segment. I think it's pretty obvious. The biggest disappointment for the 2022 Mariners was,

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And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. So again, no surprises here, no teases here. I think we can all agree. The biggest disappointment of 2022 was Jesse Winker, especially after what we talked about at the top of the show. All right, Colby, you have another answer? Let's hear it. Dylan Moore.

Oh, of course. I knew it. I didn't even need to ask. I really didn't. I led myself right into that one. Yeah. Hey, there's nothing wrong with Dylan Moore that changing his swing entirely couldn't fix.

But no, it's probably a winker. I mean, I think you also do have to throw Adam Frazier in there. Yeah. He was, he's just bad. He had one good month in the regular season and one good, you know, game in the post season. And people were talking about giving him an extension because he hit the double. No, that's what stupid teams do.

Thank you for hitting the double. Now go away forever. No, Adam Fraser was terrible this year. You wouldn't bring him back on the best. Probably not as terrible. No, I will do better. It won't be hard. I'll walk into a bar and point at somebody and say,

you're the new utility guy for the Mariners and it'll be an upgrade. So, well, that bar would be like, you know, college bar. Then I knew the LSU Tigers hung out. But whatever. Vanderbilt, Vanderbilt. Yeah, whatever. But no, it's probably Winker.

I mean, I do think you have to throw Frazier in there. He was also bad. And those were kind of the two, those were the two all-stars that the Mariners brought in this winter. And they both, for lack of a better term, stunk. So I think you have to mention both. But I think if I have to pick one, I would say it's probably Winker because not only did, was he, you know, pretty bad at the plate. I know he finished with like a 108 WRC plus. That's all walks.

Like, if he doesn't walk at it, that. rate, he's, he's worthless. And so, uh, but his defense was atrocious. And at least Adam Frazier wasn't, you know, the worst defensive player I've ever seen. So I'll give him that. So I guess with that tiebreaker in mind, I would say Jesse Winkers probably the biggest disappointment on this team. But yeah, I think you got to throw Adam Frazier. And I mean, there's some other like down the ballot candidates like maybe Drew Steckenrider or somebody like that. But it's Jesse Winkers award to, uh, win. lose whatever whatever you want to yeah however you want to phrase it colby i remember when when the winker

trade happened and we got on this podcast we did an emergency episode before we were even on youtube it was just back in the audio only days which feels like forever in the day ago uh we said you know we were we were so happy we were freaking out because we were like oh my god the mariners just got one of the 10 best hitters in baseball and w rc plus last year like holy crap like they just got an All-Star. And so while 10WRC Plus is nice, that's a

serviceable offensive piece, it's really bad for Jesse Winker, for Jesse Winker's standards, rather, because like you said, most of it is walks. He walked 15.4% of the time, which is great. Don't get me wrong, but when that's really

the only thing you can do and your swing looks like a complete mess and you're not hitting for any power. And like DeVis said, he doesn't think that Winker is very physically strong. Didn't really look like it. You know, it looked like it at the beginning of the year where, you know, he was hitting a lot of potential home runs that were just dying at the wall.

But even that started to die out over the course of the season. He ends up hitting, what, 14 home runs, which is not terrible, but for Jesse Winker's standards, he should be hitting somewhere in the 20 to 25 range, at least. and he ended up slashing, you know, 219, 344, he slugged 344. He slugged the same as his on-base percentage. It's awful. By the way, we should drop the caveat of 14 home runs not being bad. If you're the worst defender in baseball, that's bad.

That's true, too. You have to hit more than 14 home runs if you're going to be that bad defensively. You have to hit more than 215 or whatever it was. You have to do those things. You have to slug more than 344. you have to because walks are great and 344 on base is above league average

that's great but walks advance you one base and Jesse Winker doesn't have the speed to take advantage of walks he doesn't have the power to to take advantage and you know with the walks came a lot of strikeouts and a lot of pop-ups like Jesse Winker was bad

so when people said well you had the 1-0 whatever WRC Plus like cool but understand how empty that is Yeah, it doesn't give you the value that you actually think it is because when you look at his base running, right? He was a negative 0.4 or 4.3 base running rate this year. And that like, again, like you said, he'll get on base, but he can't really take advantage of it. He doesn't add you or he doesn't give you value on the base pass. So, you know, that still puts a lot of pressure on the rest of the lineup to produce in those situations when he does get on base.

And that's why he especially was not a good fit at all at the top of the. the order. Because you want guys that can get on base and can do damage where, you know, if Thai France, you know, hits a C&I single or whatever, like, you know, you can get two bases. Jesse Winkering could only get one in that situation. You know, that's

the kind of lack of value that we're talking about here that and on top of that, again, he was quite literally the worst defender. I've seen since Raoul LeBanias in left field for the Mariners. Like, it was that bad. At least Raoul hit dingers.

That's true. And at least he worked hard. So, yeah, like I said, if you're going to be lazy, which, again, Divish didn't come out and say it, but that's because, you know, he's a professional. He's not going to just, that player's lazy. That's not the verb it you use. I want to address something on that front, by the way, because I've seen a few people, not a ton of people because I think most people get it, but a few people say like, well,

maybe Divish is just trying to stir the pot or he's just doing that on behalf of the Mariners. I can promise you one thing. Ryan Divish does not say anything on behalf of the Seattle Mariner's. He does not say anything because the Seattle Mariners want him to. If you know about how the Kyle Seeger situation went down and all that stuff, you'll know damn well that the Mariners and Divish don't particularly see eye to eye on certain things. It's a professional relationship at best. Yeah, exactly.

There is no personal connection between Ryan Divich and the Seattle Mariner's none. So, yeah, it's plus, I mean, you're just going to call a guy a bootlicker because you don't like what he says. Who would ever do that? Who would ever have that happen to them? But, yeah. So, yeah, that's just Divish calling it like he sees it. You know, and Divish is pretty well connected. So inside that clubhouse, Divish has his, his not spies, but like he has his connection.

in that clubhouse. And so he'll get to the bottom of it. And it's not just Divich. And it's not just Divich. Right. Talking about this. Joe Doyle was talking about this yesterday. I believe we've heard similar things.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in July. So, yeah, it's not a super well-kept secret. I mean, I guess for the public at large, it was a bit of a secret. But for the people with any kind of connection to the team, it had gotten out.

out that that was a possibility. So we'll see. But yeah, I mean, Jesse, you can't be lazy and bad. You can be bad and work hard, or you can be great and be lazy, but you can't be anything in between. And it's just not going to work with the Mariners. And, uh, you know, the funny thing is, I think I, I think I tweeted at you one time. I was like, I'm pretty sure Mitch Hanigar is going to take a swing at Jesse Winker, uh, in the, in the dugout. Uh, I don't even remember what happened. There's some kind of something happened in a game. And I was, I was like, Mitch is furious right now. He might take a punch at Jesse Winker.

And well, maybe he wanted to. But, yeah, it's just, you know, there's nothing positive about this year for Jesse Winker. He wasn't even on the playoff roster. He didn't even, like, Jesse Winker is going to be the forgotten guy on the drought breaking team. Because he didn't really endear himself. I even saw something, and I don't know if this is true or not, but I saw something that he was invited to come to game three in Seattle and he just didn't just didn't show up. Yeah, I mean, well, you think about it like Tom Murphy was there.

Tom Murphy was in Toronto. Yeah, that's when Tom Murphy went with the team and Tom Murphy had spent most of this year away from the team rehabbing. So, no, I mean, Murphy, as we were told, is a leader in that clubhouse. we heard that, you know, the void that he left when, you know, when he got hurt, it took a while for somebody to step up and fill that. Like Murphy is important to that clubhouse or at least was. So that makes sense.

But the fact that he stuck around, even though he, I mean, if we're being frank, he had nothing to do with the Mariners breaking their playoff or out, not on the field, at least. And Winker at least did some things on the field that helped the Mariners win a game on occasion. So the fact that he was around and he was excited to be there and Jessen Winker wasn't, just not a good look. So all signs point to a divorce, but I think, you know, there is a way to salvage this. And, you know, it starts with these exit interviews. And Jesse Winker is not the only one who's going to have a difficult exit interview either. So, you know, there are a lot of things that will be said that we'll never know about.

This one we just happened to because, I mean, it was going to come out eventually. and Divis just kind of put it out there for us to talk about. But yeah, there's just no way around it. Jesse Winker was a huge disappointment for the Mariners. And EV doesn't play another game for the Mariners. He's probably going to go play for someone else and he's probably going to hit just fine. And you're going to look and say, oh, well, look at that. Mariners bring in a guy and he fails and he goes somewhere else and he's good again.

And he goes, yeah, that's going to happen. Jesse Winker won't be the last guy for that to be the truth about either. So sometimes you just have to recognize that, yeah, We lost this one and wash your hands of it. But the good news for the Mariners is in that same deal, they did get A. E.Nio-Svarez, who is basically the polar opposite. Yeah, yeah. It worked out pretty well.

So, yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, I would have, like, now knowing what I know, I would have traded Brandon Williamson for this Aeaniosaurus. So I feel good about the trade still. I would have made the trade, yeah. 100%. Yeah. All right. Well, that's going to do it for our show.

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