Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Mariners Land Two Prospects on Pipeline's Top 100 List + Takeaways From Our Jerry Dipoto Interview

Episode Date: January 27, 2023

Colby and Ty are back on the mics for their week-capper, discussing if Harry Ford and Bryce Miller were properly rated in MLB Pipeline's top 100 prospects list, what they learned after interviewing Mariners president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Join our Slack!FanDuelMake Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get startedFANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Coming up on today's show, we'll give you our thoughts on what Jerry Depoto told us on Wednesday. Plus, we'll react to MLB Pipelines' Top 100 Prospects list. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. It is Friday, January 27th, 2023. This is Tiding Azales for the Lockdown Mariner's podcast. Joined, as always, by Colby Padnode.

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And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider signing up for our Patreon link, as well as our social accounts is in the description below. On the show today, we'll be giving you some of our biggest takeaways from our interview with Jerry DiPoto on Wednesday. But first, Colby, let's talk MLB Pipeline, which released its top 100 prospects list for 2023 last night. And there are two Seattle Mariners on the list. Starting off with Harry Ford, who's at number 49.

He makes quite a bit of a jump here from 65 at the end of last year's list to 49 this year. And then Bryce Miller making his debut in the top 100 at number 98. So let me get your first reaction to this. anyone too high, too low on the list, any snubs here? Where do you want to start with this? There is no legitimate reason whatsoever for Jack Leiter to be ranked higher than Bryce Miller. None. Jack Lider was terrible last year.

He cannot find the strike zone right now. He is a guy who is supposed to move fast, who is going to have to repeat AA. There's no reason. The only reason that MLB pipeline could give, and it's not a good one, is that Well, Lider was, you know, the number one overall picker or the number two, whatever pick he was. So, so what? Bryce Miller has a better fastball. He has better control.

He has a better command. He's a better athlete. He throws more strikes. He's got better secondary pitches. And he's closer to the big leagues. Why the difference? Jack Lider's not good. He's not a good prospect right now.

If the pirates were offered Jack Lider or Bryce Miller for, Brian Reynolds, they're taking Bryce Miller and they're not thinking twice about it right now. Jack Leiter is not a good prospect. Lider doesn't deserve to be in the top 100. He certainly doesn't deserve to be higher than Bryce Miller. So we can start there. Other than that, no, I'm not too surprised. I thought maybe Celestin would have possibly cracked the top 100, but none of the international signing guys from this year did. I don't believe so. You know, that one I understand. He's only six. He hasn't played professional baseball yet.

So I get that. Ford, I think, is honestly a little too high. And I'm a Harry Ford fan. It's just really? Top 50. It's not like he tore the cover off the ball last year or anything like that. He had a good year. I mean, and he's a good prospect.

But top 100s, sure, top 50. Yeah. I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think the gap between Miller and Ford is also too large. I think they should both be in the probably 60 to 70 range. Agreed. Yeah, I'm not too surprised overall that it's just too. My guess is that Celestine still need to learn how to pronounce that.

Celestin. And Cole Young are probably pretty darn close to top 100 as well. And maybe even Gabby Gonzalez is close to the fringe as well there. So yeah, I agree with you that Miller's too low. And this is really just based off of everything that I've been hearing over the last couple of months from prospect folks. It just seems 98 is a bit too low because I've heard a mention, you know, amongst the names of like Bobby Miller of the Dodgers who's ranked 24 on this list. So to have that big of a disparity between someone like Miller and, well, both Millers, right? Bobby and Bryce is a little bit jarring.

At the end of the day, you know, pipelines lists, especially as of late, have been, let's just say it, widely inaccurate compared to what the rest of the industry feels. And so I don't put a ton of stock into them. I feel there are much better outlets out there for prospects, like prospects live, like baseball America, et cetera. So, yeah, so this, I'm not getting too worked up over. but at the end of the day I'm glad that Miller's at least getting his flowers a little bit here and he is in the top 100 but he should be more in the middle

of this list than at the back end of it I can kind of wrap my head around why he's at 98 you know not a lot of people know about him I don't think at least in terms of the national circuits but yeah I just he should be higher on this list especially I'm glad that you mentioned Jack Lider because

look even you know to be fair to the to the rangers for a second Brock Porter should be higher than than Jack Lider right now in my opinion Brock Porter I think is only four spots ahead of Miller on this list right now so yeah so I just I think there's a lot of

stock put into the names of these guys rather than where they're actually at right now and I think that's really evident here with Miller and Lider right it's a pipeline is really slow to correct essentially

what their preconceived notion was. And a big part of the reason for that is that they don't talk to scouts. Most of the information they get comes from front offices, Major League front offices. And it's mostly about, mostly coming from talking to the teams that have the rights to these players, right? So all their information on Bobby Miller comes from the Dodgers front office, which I mean, cool,

but of course those guys are going to talk up their own players, right? they're not going to tell you the negatives about that. So there's a system in place at Pipeline that makes it susceptible to these big movers and those guys getting overlooked and them trying to stand by their like draft ranks and all that stuff. So they're a little bit slow to adapt because they're not talking to the right people. But also somehow they become the default like de facto. Oh, Bryce Miller's the 98th best prospect in baseball. And we just kind of accept that. Why?

Because Pipeline set it? It's mostly because it's free, if we're being honest with you. It's a free top 100 list. That's why it kind of gets used as, as, and it's, and it's major league baseball's top 100. Right. And it comes from like guys who are respected in the industry, like John Mayo and guys like that. Jim Callis, yeah.

Yeah. But those guys, again, they're talking to, they're not talking to the people who are watching these. And they're not asking, you know, Ranger Scouts what they think about Bryce Miller. They're asking Ranger Scouts what they think about Jack lighter. So, of course, they're going to pump up lighter. They're not going to trash their own player. So it's just a flawed list overall. But at the end of the day, two guys on the top 100.

That's about what I expected. Like I said, I think Ford is a little high. And I think Miller is a little low. But yeah, it's about what I expected. So no real surprises. It's a nice hat you got on, by the way. Show that to the folks there. The vanilla missile snap back right there.

When do you think he might crack one of these lists? Well, if you ask him, he should have already been on it. Exactly. He should be number one on this list, according to the vanilla missile himself. Yes. I mean, in terms of nicknames for all these prospects, vanilla missile is definitely number one. It's definitely got to be up there.

The undisputed champion. I wouldn't be too surprised, honestly, if he was on it, you know, this time next year, like in the back end, like 100. But I... If he progresses like people think he can, or at least people I've talked to think he can, he's going to be on one of these lists at some point before he makes the big leagues. It's pretty electric fastball. Yeah.

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B-D-O-N make every moment more with Fandul, the official sportsbook partner of the NFL. And you're listening to the Lockdown Airners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first son. So we talked to Jerry DePoto back on Wednesday. And first, you know, want to thank you guys for all the support. Did we? Well, I kind of blacked out. I was like on autopilot for most of that interview.

and I had to rewatch it like about two times here to get prepared to have this discussion with you because I could not for the life of me remember anything Jerry said because I was just on cloud nine that whole interview but now I've

I've watched I've reviewed the tape right I've wound it all back I watched it again and so I'm ready to talk about this interview because we actually got some pretty good stuff out of Jerry in this interview so where do you want to

start here. We could go, you know, we could talk about some of his comments on the draft. We could talk about some of his comments on just the offseason as a whole, Tommy Lestella, if they're done and not. Actually, yeah, let's start there. So we've talked about this on Patreon on our Patreon show, patreon.com forward slash control of zone. I've asked you this very same question. Now we have a bit more context from Jerry on if the Mariners are done or not. He did leave the door open for another move and even mentioned, you know, a trade during spring training like the, the Gino-Swaris training. he mentioned by name. But he also said simultaneously that he'd be surprised if they made another major league move as well.

So if this is it, if Lestella is the final, you know, big major league move, how do you feel about the offseason? You should try to work in that song lyric. Like I said, I think it's, we'll see, you know, because Jerry did also hint at some, I don't remember the exact phrase of use, but recognizable names coming in as NRIs. Right. And, you know, we've seen, you know, like, for example, the Collin Moran one, that one could be pretty impactful. So we'll wait and see what those look like. But overall, I think I'd probably say it was a good offseason. I wouldn't call it great.

They're still relying on Jared Kelnick to be the everyday left-fielder. Or are they that coming up a little bit later? Boom. I'm doing your job for you, Ty. There you. Right. And the bullpen as, as interesting as some of the arms, they actually did bring in R, they didn't really, it's hard for me to say they definitely got better in the bullpen, right? They're counting on a lot to go right there.

You know, it's still Marco as the number five or flexin. We'll probably talk about that, too. So, yeah, overall, I think they did a really nice job of raising the floor, which in general also raises the ceiling of the ball club. but they didn't go out and they didn't add like, like I look at this roster and I don't see a team that's likely going to win 100 games. Without some, you know, major guy, you know, stepping up and having career years and stuff like that. And I think that opportunity was there. So I don't think that they quite exceeded my expectations.

I think for the most part they met them, even with the type of players they acquired because we talked a lot about Tay Oscar and Wong and Pollock before they made all those moves. And it all makes sense. it's all smart. So I can't say that it was a bad offseason. Even like Lestella as kind of like the bench guy and rotating through and Moran, those are smart moves. Those are moves that make a lot of sense. Sure.

I think it was a very smart offseason. I think it was a very safe offseason, I guess we'll say. Didn't take a lot of risk. Didn't feel like they needed to. So overall, I would probably give it like we're doing like the fan fiction Friday since it is Friday. I'd probably give this offseason as it looks right now, probably like a 55 because they did get better at the end of the day and they did close the gap on the Astros. It's just not a great offseason, you know, unless they trade for like Brian Reynolds in March, which maybe happens.

Sure. Yeah, I'd say it's it was solid, but not spectacular. By the way, it is Brian Reynolds's birthday today. Happy birthday, Brian. We love you, pal. Can't wait to see you in an M's uniform. Yeah. So July 28th, mark it down.

Hmm. Whoa, there we go. All right. I would say that I'm whelmed by the off season as a whole. But she didn't say to Jerry. I wonder why. Yeah. You know, just through them, you know, softball questions, X, right?

Yeah. Was shaking in my boots. Yeah. Maybe a bit underwhelmed on the back end of the off season, you know, after the T-Oskar and Wong deals. I like the Pollock. move, but also right now as things currently stand, Pollock's probably an everyday player for the Mariners, and I don't think he should be. I don't think that's the best use of his talents right

now at this point in his career. But we'll see how that all, you know, gets hammered out. We'll see if Tommy Lestella is actually something now that he's further removed from the Achilles injuries and all that stuff. So, and Jerry talked about that quite a bit and why he's confident that Lestella can get back on track here. But yeah, you know, I wish that they would have done a little bit more. it feels like they're still missing a bat. You know, they got that D.H spot pretty much wide open right now. And like, that's fine. That's what a lot of teams, especially the Mariners,

prefer, is to be able to rotate guys through that D.H. But I've said this in the past. I don't think there's enough good hitters on this roster right now to justify having the D.H. wide open, you know? I think right now, as things currently stand, if you just want to kind of reflect back on the rest of the offseason, Michael Brantley would make a lot of sense for this roster right now, just with how things right now kind of like.

up. So, but overall, yeah, like you said, they got better. The, you know, folks out there saying that Wong from Frazier and Tay Oscar from Hanager lateral moves at best are out of their mind. I'm sorry. Like, Tay Oscar is also. Yeah, you're also out of your mind if you're calling them marginal upgrades. Marginal. Yeah. They're significant. They're pretty significant. I mean, you go look at what the Mariners second baseman did last year and then you look at what Colton Wong's done the last two years. And then. you look at you know teoskers you know teosker obviously got hurt earlier this year but after he got back from his injury uh he was essentially another Julio Rodriguez at the plate now defense now

defensively that's a whole another topic but offensive production wise and this need and this team needed to get better offensively and i think it did i think the lineup is a lot uh lengthier than it was last year and i think the the most important part here too right is that they are significantly better this opening day than they were last opening day. And that's a big thing, right? And Jerry even said this, you know, the season begins on opening day. It doesn't end. Like, they can go out and they can add more. And he said outright that he has the freedom to go out and add more if they need to do it. So, you know, but right now, and I think this is a good time to kind of transition into the left field. Hold on. Oh, real fast.

Okay. I just wanted to mention that ESPN ranked all 30 lineups in Major League Baseball. And they talked to scouts front office. Sure. Riders, blah, blah, blah. And the Mariners came in at seventh. Seventh best lineup in all baseball, which is, I mean, again, it's ESPN. It's projection. It's opinion, but.

I think it's pretty, like, in my personal opinion, I think it's safe to say that they're a top 10 lineup in baseball. Yeah. I think they're probably closer to 10 than five. But sure. Yeah. Like, so just the idea, because last year, if you had asked the same question, Do you think the Mariners are in the top 10?

No. No. And I mean like what? All but one guy in their lineup right now or maybe two. Yeah, because Pollock, all but two guys in their lineup right now supported a 100 plus WRC plus last year.

Like that's really good. That's a good spot to be in. And especially when you still have assets, you know, to trade and, you know, you have all these tools to get better. I mean,

like Dylan Moore to hire WRC plus than insert good player here. and it's probably true. So, I mean, like Dylan Moore stand here reminding you that he's coming off the bench and Tom Murphy's coming off the bench and Tommy Lestella is coming off the bench. So, yeah, it's a good lineup. It really is. Yeah. Not great, but good.

So going into the left field stuff, you know, Jerry mentioned how important it is for them to at least give this one more go with guys like Jared Kalnick, Taylor Trammell, because if they do hit, if at least one of them hits, and finally gets it going here. I mean, that does mean a lot for the future of this organization. If they have an affordable left field option who's pumping

out a 115, 120, 120, 125 WRC plus with good defense. Like, they're in a fantastic position. So I get why, like, when Jerry justifies that, like I get why. I'm still not super comfortable with it. Don't give me wrong. But I understand, like, the process

of doing that as an organization. and having to weigh the risk will reward of that. And look, you know, at the end of the day, if it doesn't work out, and they're going to probably, you know, cycle through all three of these guys. If, like, Kelnick makes the roster at first and he doesn't pan out for the first month or so of the season, then they'll go to Trammell. Or if Trammell doesn't pan out, they'll go to Marlowe, etc. You know, however, you know, whichever way that they want to go about it.

And if none of those guys pan out, then, all right, you look at the trade market, you figure it out from there. but I think, you know, trying to give these guys ample opportunity to get back on the horse here. I mean, it would be huge. It would pay big dividends for the future of this organization. So, yeah, you know, again, going back to just the whole, it's, you know, the opening day thing and how much better they are at opening day this year than last year. I mean, you also, you do have to factor in full year of George Kirby, full year of Louis Cappellee. full year of Luis Castillo, full year of Cal Raleigh, who, you know, after he's turned it around, like all that stuff.

Like, you do have to figure, factor in that stuff as well. I think this team, while maybe if you just look at the offseason moves as a whole, don't think that they did a lot to close the gap between them and the Astros. I think the full picture, though, they have closed the gap between them and the Astros quite a bit. And also part of that is because the Astros haven't really gotten that much better this year. they essentially swapped out Verlander for

a Brayu that's been it really they brought back Brantley but yeah they're gonna get Brantley back from injury they're you know yeah and then they have a Brayu and that's that's it right

that's all they've done yeah for the bigger moves and I'm sure like Hunter Brown is going to be good you know but he's not going to be seven wins he's not going to be Justin Verlander yeah yeah right we say that and then of course yeah

Those dang Astros, but... Like Jeremy Pena last year, right? It was like, Carlos Correa is going to leave and, you know, whatever. That's a huge. They can't replace that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Pena wasn't quite that. I mean, Pena had a sub 300 on base.

I feel like he's really good. He had a really good postseason. That's why he did, but I do feel like he's still overrated. But whatever, he's still good. I mean, he's just, he's like, I think he came into like number five on the top 10 or top 10 shortstop list. I was like, no. Yeah.

No. So on the topic of left field. Jerry keeps on mentioning Taylor Tremel. He certainly has mentioned Taylor Tremel a lot, and not just with us either. It seems like he's gone out of his way a few times in his weekly with 710 to kind of mention, you know, the good things that Taylor did last year and how he was kind of a victim of start and stop with a couple of injuries. And they really like where his swings at. And he's apparently, you know, still in town.

And he's working with drive line on, on, you know, perfecting the swing and all that stuff. So Jerry certainly doesn't sound like a guy who's ready to give up on Taylor Tremel or just throw him into a trade package just because he's extra right now. Like it sounds like they really think Taylor Tremel can be something. And if he is, then that's great because that kind of solves your DH thing that you have. Or it's, you know, Kelnick is is now a luxury instead of a must have. So yeah. Yeah. You know, obviously rooting for Taylor.

We're big Taylor Tramel fans on this show. And so, but yeah, I mean, last year, again, the strikeouts got pretty bad at the end, but he posted a 99 WRC plus. And I think he was like one for his last 35 or something like that. And that's what really tanked the rest of his numbers. So, but he drew walks last year. We saw the power. We actually saw him do a decent job at avoiding strikeouts for an extended time, too.

And then the second injury hit. And again, it's worth noting like Jerry did, like, He basically, you know, had like two or three spring trainings, right? Because he had the first one. Then he went down to Tacoma, got hurt. And he missed four weeks. And then he got a couple of games in Peoria at the Complex League. And that was it.

And then he was back in the big leagues. And then he got hurt again. And when he recovered from that injury, he went back to Tacoma for a couple of weeks and then came back to the big league club. So it was very, you know, start and stop type of season for him. But there were a lot of good things that we saw. So the fact that Jerry keeps bringing. him up unprompted, seems to indicate to me at least that the Mariners are less willing to say Jared Kelnick is the left fielder than we are. And it also makes me feel pretty good that

Tramel has a really good shot of winning a bench spot. Well, yeah, because, you know, Jerry mentioned JK off of the cuff, you know, and then like you had to ask him specifically about Cape Marlowe, but he said Taylor Tramel's name outright a couple times. So it's interesting. And, you know, this, again, would have major implications for the future of the organization if someone like Taylor Tremel figures it out and finds success. And it seems like he did figure something out before that second injury, like you mentioned. And, you know, to end up with a WRC plus of 99 after going, you know, whatever it was to end the season, like, that's still pretty impressive. He finished the year essentially as a league average hitter.

So, yeah, if he's healthy and the reports about him. his swing are legit, the swing changes that he's making, then I'm pretty excited to see Taylor Tremel this spring. Yeah, over the last few weeks, Tremel has really, like, jumped up my list of, like, guys I really want to see in spring, which is a show we're obviously going to do at some point,

probably in February. But, yeah, Tremel will definitely be on that list. And, you know, keep in mind, like, away from the plate, he's a really good defender. He can actually play center field for you. He's probably better than Kelnick in left or right. Kellogg has a better arm, but he's probably better defensively than anybody you have, if we're being honest, including Julio.

And he's a pretty good base runner. He's not really base stealer, but he runs well when he's healthy. So it's a, you know, it's a five tool type of profile if he can hit. Can he hit? I guess we're about to find out. But it's a big year for him and Jared both. So moving over to the rotation, we had Jerry answer a question that has been commonly asked to ask about the number five spot.

it's it's it's it's mark yeah yeah it's it's it's i think he said essentially that it's marco without actually you know outright explicitly saying it's marco first of all i i can't imagine listening to that and being like chris has a shot no yeah no because i mean he outright said like we don't think marco's stuff can tick up in the bullpen the bullpen but we but we think flexons can or we thought it could or we thought it could yeah and they talked about yeah and they talked about know there's some value and having what i took away from that little conversation is marco is the five and there is not going to be a six like yeah and flexi will make the team as as a long and there seems to be really no chance for bryce miller brian woo etc because again we've been

asked this quite a bit does bryce miller have a chance to make it out of spring training and it seems like the the answer from jerry there was was no was a pretty definitive no as well like not no but like well you know he mentioned none of the these guys have pitched above double A, et cetera. Yeah. So he's not going to come out and say like, no, Bryce Miller's going back to double A. Yeah.

Because you want to leave open the possibility. Yeah. Because Miller might be better than both of those guys right now, but you don't have to rush it. Sure. Yeah, that part for me, that was one of the things that I wrote down. I was like, Marco's the five. Markos, yeah.

Marco seems to be the five. Barnet trade. Barnet trade. Right. If all five of those guys are healthy and they're on the roster, those are the five, period. It's not going to be Chris. And it seems that he, that Jerry values the reward over the risk with Marco. You know, he mentioned the quality starts, the 18 to 20 quality starts that he thinks Marco can give them. So, like while there's going to be the obvious blow up and even Jerry outright, you know, mention that.

there's a little more safety with Marco maybe than flexen. Yeah, Jerry seems to think so. I think he also thinks there's a little more upside too, though. Sure. With Marco, because he did mention, you know, how good he was 2018 to 2020.

And he was really good. So if you can get back to that, then Marco's a number four at best at worst. If he's, if Marco gets back to what he was in 2018 and 2019, he's the number four. If he gets back to what he was in 2020, he's a three.

So, yeah, and plus, you know, I think there's some leadership stuff that they don't want to, you know, anger Marco about. And yeah, I think it makes sense for Marco to be the heavy favorite, which I think is like the weakest qualifier I can give based on what Jerry said. Because what we should all be saying is Marco's the five. Yeah. But because we want to leave open just a little bit of wiggle room here, we'll be like, he's the heavy favorite. to be the five yeah i think what it really is is like we're not necessarily letting him win the job we're letting him lose the job yeah exactly so all right anything else that uh stood out to you that you want to go over here yes let me pull up my list handy dandy show sheet it's three pages long do we have

enough for that we have enough time for that i think we're already 27 minutes yeah we're by the way If you guys saw a cut in the middle of this, guess what happened? Technical difficulties. Who could have guessed that? Guess whose computer was this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was mine. Mine literally just like ceased to exist. Like, it just stopped.

It just stopped. I was like, cool. All right, fun. Thanks. Yeah, so a couple of things that stood out. Jerry really seems to like Justin Topa. Yeah. He told us about this metric or,

whatever they have in the org called pitch grade poppers which needs a better name uh pgps um and he mentioned that topa is one of those guys that is likely headed for that it was pretty cool to hear them talk about like how they've kind of evolved in in their um you know because before it was it was a lot like we had talked about about like oh just throw this pitch a little bit more and see if that works and and now they're actually going to arm angles and locations and and grips and stuff like that. So PGPs, and he specifically mentioned Topa. I still don't see how Topa makes the team unless the Mariners trade out of their bullpen again, but he does have an option left. And obviously he's going to get big league time at some point this year.

Most asked about players and trade talks was an interesting. Bryce Miller, obviously, and that one wasn't that big of a surprise. Brian Wu was the other one, which for us is not a surprise because, oh we are on the Brian Wu bandwagon so yeah I love how a couple of you noticed our smirks when he mentioned Brian Wu

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you observant little devil's you see guys this is why if you're not watching on YouTube you should do that too

because you get you get stuff like that yeah um Michael Arroyo uh was was a funny one specifically for Tye's reaction uh

I guess maybe I guess maybe he is Edgar at the end of the day, maybe he actually is. I mean, Jerry didn't confirm, but he didn't deny, so the question we never asked. Now, I got to be real, I did see a more recent video of Michael O'Royle

the other day. That follow through is very Edgar. I do understand why someone could see that and go, that reminds me of Edgar. And Hogan Winddish is clearly Michael Young, but I didn't get to ask him about Winddish.

I almost didn't set a Marlow, to be honest with you I was like oh really I should ask about winddish and I was like no the people want to know about Marlowe I took that one for you guys okay so you better appreciate it um well and then I would say there might be a pretty decent chance we'll have another opportunity to talk to Jerry in the future so I think you probably creeped him out with all the chills stuff the chill stuff the last you love that he loved that he loved it at first but now he's like looking at you you're like the Twitter and he's like this is overboard a little bit he's no he's definitely walking around the office right now it's Mobile Park going up to people. Jerry, watch and lunch. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, he loved that. Did you see how much his face lit up when I mentioned the Abraham Toro thing?

Yes. Yes. Which basically confirmed our long-held belief that Jerry was just up there, like. Flipping the bird to everyone. Like, pounding his chest. Come at me, bro, what I tell you. Anyways. And then the last thing that I have here, and we could probably do like an hour just on the,

on everything he said. But the six-year window as to how they kind of like frame payroll and acquisition and stuff like that. It's nice to have a number put on it. Six years, very specific. I mentioned it a couple times about six years. So yeah, you know, if you're wondering, you know, why doesn't Jerry spend this much this year or why is you looking so far ahead?

Their plan has been a six-year rolling window. And I believe we're in the second year. of the second window because Jerry is in year seven, right? Or eight. I think this is eighth year. So first six year window went pretty well. So maybe just give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Just saying.

But that's about it. I think that's all we have time for. Yeah. I think that's, yeah, you know, he had some really interesting comments about the draft and college players that he thinks this is a better college class than, in the last couple years. You know, obviously that's evident in what they've,

and what their strategy has been in the last couple of drafts going prep heavy. So maybe this is back to going college heavy again. You know, it's reverting back to the pre-2020 Mariners draft. So we'll see. I know, I know you have some college guys that you like. So that was probably good news for you to hear. So, yeah, you know, so all that stuff is really fun. And if you want to watch the full interview or listen to it, it's, I mean, if you're on our podcast page right now, you can see the episode right below this one or find it on our YouTube page.

And there's like 40 minutes worth of stuff with Jerry. He was really generous with his time, way more generous than he needed to be with his time. He was very understanding with the Zoom thing that I left in the show. Yeah, Jerry was really cool about it. And so hopefully we have another opportunity to talk with him and maybe ask him about Hogan Windish. Stop scaring him and maybe we will. All right. The Giff is the last thing.

The Giff is a lot. Also, if you want to see the, yes. If you want to see the, it's, well, oh, yeah, no, it's not. But that's your idea. That's your dad. And it's a good idea. So if it pushes Jerry over the edge, it's your fault. I really don't think it is.

I'm blaming you for that. But yeah, also, if you want to see me explain the chills meme to Jerry, you can find that on our YouTube. It's our first YouTube short, which we're going to be doing more YouTube shorts starting next month, I believe. So, yeah, look forward to that. All right. That's going to do our first show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. For Colby Patnode, I'm Tadian Gazzal.

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We'll see. We'll have to see. He said that he kind of cheaped out on it, though, because, you know, he doesn't care about you guys. I do, though. So thank you again for making us. your first listen. Now make your second giveaway and all of a sudden he's the

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