Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - MARINERS POSTCAST: Seattle Mariners are in a FREE FALL

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

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This is the Mariners Postcast. Your instant game reaction for the Seattle Mariners. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Same. Different day. Before we get intros, just a little peek behind the curtain once again, because I love when we do this, I have to update our background here.

And like on the on today's show portion of our background. I change it up to based on, you know, what we have to talk about. I didn't change it today because it, you literally could say the same thing. Offense struggles again, comments, what needs to change? And unsung heroes we do every day. Yeah. My name's Anderson Hurst. That's Christopher Crawford to my left.

Appreciate you guys hanging with us and talking about this God forsaken joke of a baseball team. So can I go behind the scenes real quick? Yeah, do it. Let's go. I sent a message to Anders. I did this again Monday as well. I was just not feeling well at all. And today was actually a little bit worse,

if I'm being completely honest with you. But as I was getting into bed and I looked at the score, I realized, oh, I have too much to talk about. I have too much to say. It's crazy because I've seen the same stuff over and over again. And yet, whether it's a boiling point or whether it's just me being a narcissist who likes the sound of his own voice or a combination of both, I need to rail on this team right now.

Okay, let's go. It's just pathetic. It's a pathetic, pathetic, pathetic effort. And it is, did you watch The Simpsons as much as a kid, Anders? Not as much as a kid, but I've been going back to it recently, and I really love it. Do you know the thing with Ned's parents that they're all out of ideas and we haven't tried anything? Yeah.

Hello, Seattle Mariners. It's just the same stuff, and it's the same problems. and it's, you know, there's so much blame to go around. Like, everybody likes to pick that one thing to blame. But if you're being honest, there's a ton to blame here. There's Seattle Mariner ownership to blame. There's Seattle Mariner front office to blame. And there are Seattle Mariners to blame.

And coaches. Yeah, and coaches. Yeah. Oh, and coaches for sure. It's the four branches. I know there's only three, but these are the four branches of government for the Seattle Mariners. And they all have a claim to being,

anywhere from incompetent to deserving of bad things. And I'm not talking about real life bad things. No, you deserve before. I'm talking about players who deserve to be cut. Players who deserve to be traded. Managers who deserve to be on a thin leash. Hopefully they sell the team someday. And hopefully we might need, yeah.

we might need to be starting to talking about we might need to be start to talking about something that there's one that you can tell that I'm not feeling super great because that wasn't English it was just a pathetic game a pathetic effort and credit all around for this pathetic effort yeah it's attributed to all aspects of this team know that I I struggle because I I kind of go to all, like you said, you can play in every single level of this team to where they're at right now. This is the Mariners Postcast. As you guys know, we recap every single Mariner's game. We're not going to really recap this game because it's going to be the same crap that we've said for the past three weeks. Oh, yeah.

All right? I'm telling you right now, it's going to be the same crap. So I want to talk to you guys. I want to figure out, let's play the Blame game a little bit here. Sure. If you could change one thing, and I'm not going to go ownership because that's not happening. No, it's not happening. Nope.

Is this a Dan Wilson problem? Because this very similar team was not having that much of an issue these past couple years in terms of just falling out of it by June 10th, right? Yeah. Or is this the roster that he's been given? Oh, good. Or like, and how much of that attribution do you? put on each side. I'd like to tell you that I put on the black hat

because it's like me going dark mode. No, that's exactly why you did it. Don't even say it's any other. No, it's because I look like gosh damn Charlie Brown with this stuff right now. So it's so hard. And I will just, look, when I was working, just doing my OI stuff

and they made the announcement that they fired Scott's service, to say that I wasn't a fan of the decision, is an understatement. It didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. I agreed with you at the time, by the way. Yeah, oh, absolutely. And I think a lot of people did. And then he went 21 and 13.

He went 21 and 13. You can question about how legitimate the leverage of those 34 games were. But he did what he did, right? And certainly earned another year, you know. But hold on. It's not like he was put on a interim basis. and then earned that second year because of 21-13,

they gave him the full-time job right off the bat. So no matter what happened the rest of the year, it wouldn't matter. I will say that if they had gone 10 and 20, whatever the record would be, 10 and 24 or something like that, managers get fired with stuff on their contract all the time. So it's possible. But I really doubt it. I really doubt that they were just going to bring in Wilson for 34 games,

unless it was just a complete disaster. That's not even the point anymore. The point is that it's easy to look back on disliking that decision and saying, boy, was I right. What did you expect to happen? Did you expect this roster to just automatically become a good baseball team? No. They are not.

No. And, you know, that's how much Dan Wilson has to do with that is a, debate that we will not be able to answer tonight. I will tell you that much. I will say that in my humble estimation, managers have less to do with results than football coaches, basketball coaches. Any other coach in any other sport. I'm telling you right now. Yeah, 100%. Totally agree with that. Now, I will say this. The one thing I thought that Wilson was going to be really good at, right, was the vibes. I thought the vibes were. going to be good with Dan Wilson. A guy who's been in clubhouses for so long, who has been

respected as a leader for some of the better teams in baseball in the mid-90s and early 2000s, right? Okay. Can I stop you right there for a quick second? Yeah. The thing about good vibes managers is they're great when the vibes are good. Yeah. But when they're not. Yes, that's the thing. What do you do? And he hasn't done anything for again. Yeah. His. Yeah, yeah. Anything. No. To change this.

He throws the same line up out there. He keeps throwing out injured pitchers. Now, how much of that is him versus Jerry? I don't know. Right. Oh, my God. And nothing's changing. There's no approach change whatsoever.

I just. I totally agree. I just want to give a quick couple of thoughts on Logan Evans today. And, you know, the move to place him in the rotation was made like, what, two minutes before we ended our show last night, something like that. That's when it got announced. Logan Evans was terrible tonight. It was not good whatsoever.

And, you know, it's not, it wasn't bad enough that you say, oh, we can't keep this guy in the rotation, but I will point out, it just so happened that tonight was Logan Gilbert's rehab start. And apparently, minus a little bit of a velocity dip at the end, I got reports from non-Mariner people, because I don't trust not mariner people to be honest with me about this stuff, that he looked pretty good, that he looked like he was pretty solid today. I would be really curious to see if Logan Evans makes another start. Logan Evans wasn't good enough tonight.

Was flat out not good enough tonight? I think it ended up being five innings of four-run baseball. You know, that's a 7.2 while we are right, by the way. It's not good. Nope. I think that line maybe understates how poor his command and stuff was tonight. He got away with a lot of stuff. and then the bullpen who came in after him got away with nothing whatsoever.

But Logan Evans wasn't good enough tonight. I know we got to, we're going to focus on some other stuff and talking about what we need to fix. But like, daily show, we saw the starting pitcher today. The starting pitcher tonight was nowhere close to good enough. And, you know, you can't help but make the comparison. Emerson Hancock was substantially better than Logan Evans must tonight. Especially if you're going to have to.

to make a decision on which one stays in this roster in about a week's time with Logan Gilbert coming back. But I don't even like, I don't know where to go with it. I get it. I don't think Logan Gilbert's just going to come in and be an MVP pitcher and just save this team from going to the depths of hell at this point. No. No pitcher can do that. No pitcher can do that. Like, Tariq Scoobal, probably the best pitcher in the American League right now. Probably the best pitcher in baseball. Probably the best pitcher in baseball.

Shout out Seattle, you. Blah, blah, blah. Woo. He's not, no pitcher can save you. A pitcher can really, really help you when you have that pop of the rotation guy. Yeah. But Logan Gilbert isn't fixing the Seattle Mariners issues. And then, you know, it's a four-nothing game when he leaves.

Oh, 4-2 game, excuse me, when he leaves. And Trent Thornton just stunk. Just flat. out stunk. And it's crazy. Anders, you remember where Trent Thornton was pitching to begin the year? He was the high-leverage guy. He was the eighth inning through pitching right behind Andres Munoz. I was always like, what is going on here? Oh, it made no sense to me. And, you know, you know, Colin Snyder didn't look great that spring. And he had a couple good outings. Like, fine. And it's not a question of his stuff. It's his ability to command that stuff is just wretched.

He just has a sweeper and that's it, man. You can't be a one-pitch pitcher anymore, especially with that sweeper. Someone has to, Frank, can have a, have a deck to me. Matthew, come on. But please. This whole team, though, just stunk. I'll give you a little behind the scenes, too. My unsung hero will absolutely be an unsung villain because there was one guy in particular

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okay um i know we kind of got into bigger picture stuff for the beginning of this let's just go quickly over the game uh mariner's lose what is it 10 to 3 i just put all my notes here i'm just going to go down over it. Sometimes I'm a professional radio guy where I have good transitions. I'm just going to tell you guys my notes. It seems like forever since this team has played with a lead. It really has. They've lost seven of eight and 13 of their last 19. They're in a complete free fall. Trent Thornton looked terrible. We already talked about that. A couple positives. I don't think we're doing unsung hero today. We're going to do unsung villain. Randy was one for three at the home run and a walk. That's,

That was good to see. That's just, I think, third or fourth straight really good performance in a row. He's finally starting to come around driving the baseball a little bit. Rowdy Teless, two for the home run. You know, it's his first good game in a while. Yeah. Yeah. Cole Young played good.

But the question, I want to ask you. And I was thinking about this as Trent Thornton was attempting to get through an inning at the major league level. of how many players do you say in your head why are they still on this team for this roster that's a really good question there are at least three that immediately came to mind um they are donovan solano they are Mitch garver they are now Trent Thornton to be honest with you like it's just you can't really afford to have that right now in your both in. There's others that you can make that debate. One of them is my unsung villain that we'll talk about in just a second. But you know, you could make an art. There's a,

I guess a thinnish line about how many guys you could upgrade on and how many guys just flat out don't deserve to be. Where you could literally cut them and get the production they're getting off of the scrap heap. Sure. Right. That would be to me, still Solano. Yep. It's Mitch Garver. Garver's OBP kind of makes you go, oh. You have Harry Ford, so I think. But you have something better in his stead. I don't know if you for sure.

There's a long-term option, I think, in Troy Taylor, that's better than Trent Thorne, but it ain't right now. So I guess, you know, that's a little bit debatable. But there's a few guys. There's a few guys. And that shouldn't happen for a team that's goal is to be competing for a world championship, right? I put down Trent Thornton, Donovan Salado, Mitch Garver, Miles Master Boni, and arguably Rowdy Tellez. Now, he hits a tank tonight, but he's been bad, like, bad, bad for the past probably two weeks at least.

And it's not like he has a track record of being a everyday first basement anywhere. So, like, that's five players. Yeah, it's a quarter of your roster. That you could just easily cut and get production off the scrap. That's a terribly constructed roster. At least two of those guys are playing every single day. Yeah. Every single day.

That's, I don't even know math because it's not a third of your lineup. It's just below a third of your lineup. Right. Then when you add in, like not why are they still on the roster, but when you add in young guys like Ben Williamson and Nicole Young, who are still kind of going through their lumps as young players. Absolutely. This is not a big league lineup.

It's not a big league lineup whatsoever. It's half of one. And I'm like, I think it gets blown out of proportion. Like when you look at the Dodgers lineup, they have non-big, like, they don't have superstars one through nine. At every single position, it's not a superstar, 100% correct. But they have the Tommy Edmonds of the world. They have the, like these utility players and good above average to maybe average major league players at one through nine where there's not an absolute black hole in the lineup unless you're playing a young guy. Right.

And it's none of these, like, veteran minimum crap that you see. And for a while it was Jorge Palanco, too, but it's good to see he's starting to turn it around as well. I just think this lineup, this roster in general, this bullpen is terrible. Yeah. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Yeah, it sucks too because, you know, they've moved on from some bullpen guys that I don't think they should have moved on from. And they made some bad decisions with, like, right now. even with the guys that they gave up not looking great, boy, does that trade with Chicago

for Santos look really bad right now? Because he is giving you nothing. And those guys had some value at that point. And you could have gotten something a lot more valuable. I would like to think. Can I move on to my unsung villain? Yeah, it kind of speaks to it. Dominic Canzon's defense in the outfield is so free.

It's so bad. And today it really hurt that. them, really hurt them because a competent right fielder, if Victor Robles is out there, that triple from Corbyn Carroll doesn't happen. That's just a double, and I think it would have prevented a run. And he certainly catches that ball in the gap, certainly catches that ball. I loved seeing Domkins. I loved seeing how fired he was up he was after that home run.

He looked. Not fired. Fire. He looked so like you could see the relief in his eyes having that huge moment, and that ball was, that's maybe the hardest hit game tying homer I've ever seen in my entire life. Like that was absolutely, you know what it on. But a good reminder today that this is such a flawed baseball player and really hurts you defensively, really hurts you defensively.

And I know he gets on twice. He hits the double horrible pitch from Braddon Fott, who has been horrific coming in today. And you get two runs off of him. Two runs. He's been one of the worst. Starting pitchers of the last month in all of baseball. And you get two flipping runs off of him. I know this mainly because I had to recap it for Roder World.

But he's literally two starts away from having a zero-out eight-run effort against the Washington Nationals. Literally. And the start after that, I think, was three innings of six runs, something along those lines. He's been terrible. Bad. Bad.

And, you know, it's great to see the hits. if you want to take a positive from this game, they have 34 hits over their last three games. And yeah, they hit. Hits are not runs. No, they are not. And outside of two solo homers on when Brandon Fatt finally fatted it up, it just isn't good enough, man.

This is just not a very fun baseball team to watch right now. But I'm going to keep doing this. I think I'm going to keep doing this. doing this, you know, like, and I don't have any doubt that at some point the Mariners are going to have this great moment where it feels silly to be complaining about them and yada, yada, yada. But right now, not just tonight and our focus is on tonight, right? But if you have watched the Seattle Mariners since really the start of June, this has not been a disappointing ball club. This has been a flat out bad baseball team.

No, no disappointing. They're not underperforming. It's not underachieving. It's none of that. It's just crappy results from players playing crappy. And if you have long-term faith, that's great. There's very little that I have seen since the middle of May that suggests to me that the Seattle Mariners are truly a World Series contending to you.

Yeah. Is this Brock Bottom? Is this as low as it gets? I hope so. I really hope so. I thought the rock bottom was, my hope was the rock bottom was going to be that sweep against the giants, you know,

when they fell to three and seven and like, yeah, yeah, you know, we'll think back and how funny that'll be on the World Series. We've got a couple more after that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And look, their record's better. You know, there are four games over 500 since then. I can do the easy math there because the Mariners are every bit of a 500 baseball team right now. Or did they? Is it 34 and 35 now?

I will look at the standings right now, really, really quick as we. Oh, they're 33 and 33. I'm sorry about that. They are 500, yes. Yeah, they are a 500 baseball team right now. That doesn't mean anything to me, honestly. It doesn't mean, no. It doesn't mean anything.

And you can take it a couple of ways. It doesn't mean anything in terms of that's not what they are right now. and it doesn't mean anything in the opposite direction of that's not what they are right now. Because right now, the Seattle Mariners are so much worse than a 500 baseball team. The efforts tonight, like, I know Julio drives in the run, and it was nice to see him sting a baseball, but Cal was really bad tonight. Cal's had three straight really bad offensive games. Absolutely.

And no one is saying anything about it, deservedly so. Cowell's been awesome. He's had a really, really good season so far. Absolutely. But you also see what happens. How many episodes in a row of this have I said this? You see what happens when Cal Raleigh doesn't carry this offense. You see what happens because, yeah, great to see Randy with the solo homer. It was great to see Teles with a solo homer, blah, blah, blah. And again, Cole Young, a couple of hits. That was nice to see.

This is just on the whole, a below average baseball team in pretty much every aspect right now. every single aspect. And boy, remember those good feelings after George Kirby start, like how, like, you know, it just was such a wonderful way to end the week. Yeah, I want and five, but you get that dominance. Oh, it's all gone. It's just all freaking gone. Yeah, uh, vibes are not good. I've said that a lot recently. I know. Uh, hopefully this is rock bottom. Um, I'm seeing a lot of whoio slander. I'm not going to go there. I'm just not.

I understand. It's fine. Lots of people like to get attention for making comments. And if you're frustrated with him, it's totally fine. Yeah, it's fit like, I sent out a tweet thread today. I don't know if you guys want to check it out. But it's just like everyone has these expectations for him to be Mike Trout. He's not Mike Trout.

I'm sorry. Cool. Yeah, he's not. He's not even, he's not even Ronald O'Kunny Jr. No, it's not. But he's about a top 25 baseball player, and that's pretty good. Change your expectations, okay? Embrace this fun, cool guy that is good at baseball and who drives in one of your three runs tonight, by the way.

Yes, and plays, again, a terrific game defensively. And, you know, he's like somebody brought up. He's on pace to have like a six-war season. Is that really what we're doing that we're blaming? There are so many other issues on this team. So many things that I would change before asking Julio Rodriguez to be Mike Trout. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

There are so many other things that I would change. I totally agree. But it's, you know, if this is your place that you want to vent about Julio Rodriguez, we don't take it personally. You know, if I took it personally, then I would be in a lot of trouble because I have been seeing it in common threads and stuff my entire life. But the rest of the lineups performing and you are throwing lights out pitching and you're losing the game two to one every single time because Julio comes up and he can't come

through. Yeah. Great. Complain all you want. Or he makes an error in center field. Great. Like, then you get like, I just, that's not personally. I think there's much bigger issues on this team.

I totally agree. Yeah. I'll be crazy. Yeah. But watch D'Art. So many other terrible things about this team. Watch Domkan Zone hit for the majority of his career. Watch, even though I love him, Ben Williamson barely get a ball out to the outfield.

And watch Trent Thornton's dorky butt. I'm sorry to go personal. There's nothing wrong with wearing glasses. Shout out to Trent Thornton, buddy. But he stinks. He's not a good Major League pitcher right now. Imagine watching all of that and thinking the takeaway is that the Mariners have a Julio Rodriguez problem. That's just, that's just silly. It's dumb. It's dumb. Yeah. And no one's

talking about Cal is three terrible at-bats in a clutch situations. He really struggled. And, you know, that's okay. I'm not saying that you should be. No. But let's, like, guys, come on. I'm sorry. I'm not doing that. I'm just not. I'm not doing it either. And that's why I will keep the show going because we're not going to be able to, well, disagree. You know, it'll be fun and it'd be really boring if we agreed on every single thing. I just think people like to put the blame on this type of stuff instead of looking at the real problems. Just my honest opinion. So Nelson, I love you for tuning in.

And, you know, we've had some good interactions in the past. But you're saying the two guys that hit two of your three runs in tonight are the the biggest issue on this team. That's kind of crazy, man. And again, I love Nelson. I've met him. He's one of my favorite people to conversate with. It just, uh, people disagree. People disagree and think that if Julio Rodriguez is in King Griffey Jr., there's no value there. And I think, uh, oh, and you know what, Nelson does bring up that Cal did get robbed of a Homer today. That's, that's fair, totally fair. The other couple of bats stunk. The other couple of the bats, absolutely stunk and Julio had a terrible at bat tonight.

Yeah. We're not saying he's, we're not saying he's playing out of his mind or he's even playing up the expectations at this point. But there's so many other issues with this team, you know? And we love you guys for hanging out. We love having discourse with you guys. Yep. We like, but I would just change so many other things before I would change my center field. I'm just playing in that. One percent. Yep. All right. Well, really appreciate you guys coming hanging out with us went a little long tonight uh we want a little bigger picture with you but uh hang out with tie and colby tomorrow they'll have another episode talking about this travesty of a game uh yeah mariners are now 500 baseball team they're three back out of

first place in the division they have lost seven of their last eight and 13 of their last 19 i hope this is the rock bottom i really do but i don't know if it will be i don't know if it will be Yep. Tomorrow, I think the pitching matchup is, what do we got tomorrow? Sorry to keep it going long, but I'm very curious because they desperately need a win tomorrow. 1240 game and we have got, we have, oh, that's right. Ryan Woo. Ryan Woo on the mound. So hopefully Wu can throw a really good game and get them a win before a pretty critical six-game homestand.

Yeah. Yeah, let's hope they change our fortunes. But hey, I don't mind coming. And, yeah, Nelson, you know what? I don't disagree. I don't disagree at all. And I, you know what? We could have a very long conversation about that one, too.

But, uh, yep. Well, we've done 31 minutes that is supposed to be between 10 and 20 minutes. We did fine. We do a minute for every run. The other team scores, or two minutes for every one. run the other team scores. Okay, it's three minutes actually now that I look at the time. You know what? That's fine. That's fine. But yeah, we'll be at the guys tomorrow. 1240. First pitch. Brian Wu, come be the stopper. Please, once again, we're going to ask for

absolute ace-like performance because that's apparently what's team needs right now, because I can't hit it for crap. And real, real quick before we end, and I'm so sorry, two things. One, please donate to Feeding America. That is such an awesome. And thanks to everybody who reached out after I talked about what's going on. It's been really, really hard, but you guys have made it a lot easier because you guys are awesome and come give good questions and are willing to debates and all that stuff. And I just love it. And I'll second that.

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