Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - MARINERS POSTCAST: Seattle Mariners BREAK THROUGH to Beat Cleveland Guardians

Episode Date: June 14, 2025

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This is the Mariners Postcast. Your instant game reaction for the Seattle Mariners. Part of the Locked-on podcast network, your team every day. Is that what it's supposed to feel like? I guess so. Is that what winning baseball game is supposed to feel like? I don't remember. So it's, I guess, but I really don't remember.

It's pretty new. And it's like that wicked song, what is this feeling so sudden and new? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always knew what you. Wow, pulls out a wicked reference. That's how high we are right now. Let's go. This is the characters postcast. I'm Anderson Hurst. That's Christopher Crawford to my left. We just want a baseball game. God, it feels good. We just want a baseball game where Cal Rale is the only one who didn't get a hit. Yeah. That is weird. That is weird.

Yeah. Oh, man. We just want a baseball game where we had a good starting pitching performance. Exactly. So many things that, you know, Marys baseball has not done recently. So we just want a game where we came through in a late-ending situation with runners and scoring position. Huge. Crawford, what are your original thoughts on this? We'll get to Castillo's performance at a second. I want to talk about the offense, kind of what looks good to you.

And then a couple bullpen decisions here and there just based on the rest of the series. But overall, you know, got to be a good win for you. Oh, such a good win. and so nice to see, I think the last time they won the first game of a series was against the nationals. I believe that's the case. And before that, there were some, you know, issues. They have the sweep against San Diego. They obviously won the first game in that series, but they have just not gotten off to good starts in series. And this was an excellent start, literally and figuratively. It was an excellent start from Luis Castillo. And it's an excellent start to this series. And, you know, this is

what's so nice again about doing these daily shows is that we can just kind of ignore a little bit what's been going on for the past week how they have been just an absolute crap factory of a baseball team we can push that to aside yeah they played one of their most complete games in a while probably since that nationals game really yeah since that game there has been a lot of shaky baseball to say the least but it wasn't shaky today it was you know not a perfect offensive effort to begin the game, but we love what we saw from then from the seventh inning on, and that matters. Oh, does that ever matter? And we'll talk about that. But it's just nice to get a win after what seems like the longest losing streak that I can remember in a long time. And I know

they've won some games, you know, but there's just been so much dread and icky. It's so nice to celebrate something good. Yeah. There's so many positive signs, first of all. I want to let's start with Luis Castillo. We can kind of go from there. Don't look now. He's had a really good last like six starts. Yeah. And maybe he had one bad one in the,

previous one wasn't great. Yeah. Right. And then the Astros one was not his best, but he still battled. Yeah. Yes. But overall, I think,

especially with Wu kind of coming back down to Earth recently, is it weird that I feel the most confident with Luis Castile? on the mound. It's almost like back to 2022 days. No, it's, I don't think it's weird at all because you just take a look at what he has done. He's been the most consistent pitcher for the Seattle Mariners this year. Like, take a look by ERA, like 3.60 in March, I know that's only, or 3.60, yeah, in March, that's one start, but it's still, then 3.82, then 3.27 coming into today. It goes down a little bit. He's been their most consistent starter. And really, We've talked about this a lot that it's really been just one bad pitch.

For Luis Caccio, it was just two, just two mistakes that he makes to Nolan Jones and then Stephen Kwan of all people, he makes a mistake too as well. Not exactly known for his power, but maybe the P&W return was exciting for him, maybe seeing Oregon State play in the World Series today, got him a little bit going today. But outside of those two pitches, his command wasn't great, he issues three walks, but I always felt like even with the control not being great, I felt like he was in control throughout. And hopefully that makes sense.

Like I never felt like the runners that were being put on base. I never felt like there was going to be that blowup inning. His stuff was too good tonight. And it was so good to see the better slider. Like that slider in his last outing, sure it wasn't as good today as it was against Minnesota. We'll never maybe see any slider that good, not thrown by Matt Brash again.

That was one of the most impressive sliders that I've seen in a long time. But I thought Luis Castillo pitched really solid baseball today. And I was so disappointed he wasn't able to get the win. And again, wins and loss for pitchers is a dumb stat. But he deserved a W today. He deserved a W today. But he is one of the main reasons that they win this game because he keeps them more than keeps them in the game. He pitches excellent outside of two solo homers.

and he allows that offensive explosion to matter in the seventh inning. Yeah, and like wins and losses are bad staff for pitchers in terms of like evaluating if they're good pitchers. But in terms of like being a part of a team and feeling like, hey, I contributed to the team winning today. Like that is something. And these guys, even though they have their individual jobs, baseball is about as individual, the team sport as it gets, they still rely on each other.

It's like, hey, my guys pick me up. Sure. I contributed to the win today, like I said. So yeah, and I like what you said about him. being his control wasn't elite, but he was in control for most of the game. Because a lot of the walks he was issuing wasn't that he couldn't find the strike zone. It's that he got squeezed a couple times on some close calls. Or it was a walk where it's like, hey, I'd rather you walk this guy than throw it in the

strike zone and have him damage, aka to Jose Ramirez. So it's, I think, a really good pitching performance from him. And it just shows how consistent he is, man. Like I like what No God said about, he feels so close to putting up a real serious elite run. I think we're going to get back to that point for the over the summer. And if you look at his career, he starts off a little iffy, but he gets going during the summer. So which is weird for pitchers because it's kind of usually the opposite. Absolutely.

Yeah. You know, he's been, he's been fantastic. And I think he doesn't get nearly enough credit for how good he's been since that trade. I know that I know that some of that has to do with the fact that there are so many other good starters on this team that you kind of forget. get. I know that some of that has to do with the fact that Seattle Mariner fans and the Mariner fans are not alone in this, but there are fans who take contracts a little too seriously and say, oh, this guy makes the most money. He has to be perfect. This guy is the guy. They're all sports. Oh, absolutely. It's all sports. Absolutely. And in baseball, maybe a little bit

more because those salaries are guaranteed and good for them. They should be guaranteed. But I think there's a little bit more, uh, expectation for guys like Luis Castillo. And sometimes maybe we don't appreciate quite how good he's been since they made that trade in 2022. Completely agree. Uh, I mean, if you want to go right here, uh, CG long 424, hot take, Luis Castillo for Unsung Hero didn't get the dove. I think he did get the win. Uh, gave up back to back. Oh, wait, no, he didn't. That's right. Cause they, uh, it was tied by the time he left the game. And by the time we get to Unsung Hero, everyone's going to forget the start. That's true. I mean, that's a shout.

Let us know what you guys think for Unsung Hero. There's a lot of options today because I'm going down this offensive like one through nine, no pinch hitters today. Oh my God. Great game from J.P. Crawford, three hits. I'd say good game from Julio, two hits. Great game from Polo, two extra base hits from the right side of the. Yeah, huge.

my God, he looks good again, which is, I think it's not coincidence that this is the game that your offense kind of explodes. And it's like, oh, Polanco being that guy makes a big difference for this team. Sure. No, it's massive. It is massive to see him look comfortable. And it kind of goes back to what I was saying a couple episodes ago, that you were starting to see Polanco look a little bit more comfortable. And I think he's starting to get back into the routine. He's starting to get back into feeling confident playing every single day instead of platooning him. I think that's massive. Like even if you took a big hit with him hitting right-handed, it's probably worth it to get him going hitting left-handed.

Because that's where Jorge Polanco is going to make his breath. That's where Jorge Polanco is going to make his living. It's hitting left-handed, hopefully hitting near the top of the lineup because it's justified for him hitting near the top of the lineup. And as Matthew brings up here, eight guys reach base. No, Big Dumper doesn't get a hit. It draws two massive walks, especially the walk in the seventh inning. I thought that was one of the biggest debats of the game because you get that lead runner on. And then Polanco gets that double.

And then they bring in the reliever and Radio Rose Arena just scorches a baseball into left field to give you that three, two lead. But none of that happens without, well, some of it might happen. But it all starts with Big Dumper drawn that free pass. And you're seeing pitchers pitch him so carefully right now, so carefully, which is why it's so important. And this is an obvious point is obvious. The guys in front of him and the guys behind him have to get the job done because he's going to be able to get his free passes. It won't shock me if he draws a, he's already drawing a ton of walks, just a smorgasboard of walks over these next few weeks because pitchers just don't want to pitch this dude right now with the, the run that he's on for homers, it's big.

And just I love the complete effort from the offense today. Like seeing so many guys reach twice, seeing Ben Williamson pick up a couple of hits, who finally won't be my unsung hero with a two-hage game. It was a one. It deserves it still, though. Come on. Keep the run going. It's great to see a double from him, too.

Like, we're starting to see him get the ball into the gaps a little bit more. Agreed. That's been really nice to see. Today it was down the left field line, but just he's feeling more comfortable. The only guy who doesn't reach twice drives in the run with Cole Young, and that was a huge RBI. Great hit, by the way. Yeah, awesome job by him.

And, you know, the offense has struggled to score runs. It hasn't struggled to get hits lately. This is a, I believe this is four out of five games where they picked up at least 10 hits. I think you're right. So that's a pretty solid number. The big difference here. And I'm not saying four for six. 17 isn't great, but four for 17 with runners in scoring position gets the job done.

Yeah. Especially if a couple of those hits are with a couple of guys on and you can score a couple of runs. If you can pick up four hits with runners in scoring position, you are going to win the majority of the time. Four for 17 is like a 248 average 248, 246, something around those lines. I take that honestly for a whole season. 100%. Today's day and age, especially because you get pitched so careful. carefully. And a 230 average now is an average average. So I will take four for 17 every day.

How many one for 12s and one for tens and oh for sevens have we seen as of late for these guys with runners in scoring position? I'm just really encouraged by what I saw tonight. And I am choosing to ignore all the bull crap that I saw the week before. Yeah. And focus on the positive that if you can play like you did tonight, you have a chance to be a really good baseball team. Real quick. Yeah. One thing we got to point out, the Cleveland Guardian stink right now.

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Anyways, this is not locked on MLB. This is the Mariners postcast. I'm Anderson Hurst. That's Christopher Crawford. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Finally, we get to talk about a Mariners win. I have a couple questions for you. The one we teased in the break is going to be my first one.

So I'm going to ask you a little bit about Dan Wilson's decision making here, even in a win. You can still look at some things and see if there's a way you would have done it differently. But first of all, how much of this is kind of an offensive breakout, how much of this is a Guardian's team that is not pitching the ball very well right now and really only has one, maybe two good hitters in the lineup. It's a really good question. And, you know, there's some talented guys on this team. like, you know, Joseo Ramirez will once again be in the MVP conversation.

He's so, he's the most underrated player in the MLB. I'm saying it right now. Yeah, just don't say the MLB. That's not how that works. It's just underrated in MLB. The MLB is the Major League. The Major League Baseball. The Major League of Baseball.

The O is silent. It's not a good team. It is not a good team whatsoever. Now, Gavin Williams isn't a bad pitcher. He has pretty good swing and miss stuff. And I was pretty impressed that they only struck out one time against him. Like, he is a guy who can miss bats pretty good.

Yeah. And they have some talented relievers as well, but they're not pitching very well. Like, um, Tyler Heron really struggled tonight. Hunter Gaddis really struggled tonight. Somebody asked about how Colby Allard was a first round pick. Um, left handed. If you're left handed, if you throw over 90 miles per hour. But, you know, he was a guy people really liked.

But this is not a good baseball team. This is a team that is playing. right around as poorly as the Seattle Mariners, maybe a little bit better, if we're being honest here. Lately, yes. Yeah, that 35 and 33 record, that is not indicative of how they played as of late. I believe they're 10 and 16 over their last 26.

I wish that was ours. They're getting the, yeah, they're getting the Cleveland Guardians at the very best time to get them right now. So don't want to take away any credit from the win whatsoever, but there's no denying that the, Seattle Mariners are playing a team that is not exactly on their best foot right now. It feels like the Mariners should be in the AL Central with all those kind of mediocre teams, you know, and Tigers. Tigers Mariners switch place. I don't know. Just it's anyways. But I think,

like what you say, getting them at the right time, because I almost feel like with the Baltimore Orioles, they were kind of hot coming back and they were all underperforming for the entire year. I think everyone was kind of waiting for them to break out a little. bit. So I almost think the opposite situation there where you got them at a bad time, a team that's way more talented than its record is that it's just started to get hot and figuring themselves out. So just putting it in perspective a little bit, but I like what you said there. I want to ask you a little bit. First, I want to make a comment about Dan Wilson's lineup construction because I think we've gone back and forth talking about how even when Polo was struggling, he was hitting the

two hole every single game. You were going to see in Cal Raleigh, not in the one of the top three batters, so we didn't have a guaranteed at bat in the first inning. There were a lot of things that were questionable. I'm looking at the batting lineup right now. I know it's not everything. I'm not the guy that's going to complain about every lineup that gets posted, but I love the way it's constructed right now.

You got JP who is having, I think, a better year than he did in 2023 at this point because it's more indicative to what of the type of player he is. I think he was more like going for slug a little too much in 23 and probably got a little jumpy with that in 2024, which is what led to his bad year. This is just him being an on-base machine, but then he's jumping and ambushing when he can and he's having big hits and big moments. Then you got Julio. And I almost think you have two leadoff hitters.

It's kind of weird. Two guys that can set the table at any point. If you always look at Julio's hits, they always come either at the beginning of an inning or with nobody on, which I think, like, some people aren't for RISP. Sometimes that's just not for everyone, and it's totally fine. But he sets the table so well because then he can score on something that someone else hits. Then you get Cowell in the three-hole, polo in the four-hole, and Rosarena in the five-hole. And I think that top five, as constructed right now,

and especially the way they're all playing right now, I think is a good, top five of a lineup. Routy Tellez has started to do better lately. Dom Canzon, can he hit? Can he hit? He's had a couple really good games in a row. We'll see a larger sample size. I'm as big of a hater as there is. And I'm even starting to be like, whoa, is I wrong with him? And then Ben Williamson and Cole Young, the youngsters at the bottom of the order, which I like, Don, a lot of pressure, just kind of do your stuff, get on when you can, set the table for the top of the lineup. But I don't know. What are your thoughts on that lineup because I think that one through nine is as good as I've seen it all year. Yeah, probably. I'm, I mean,

there's still areas that I think they can upgrade, but if we're just talking about what they have right now. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. Not like positions to upgrade. I'm talking about constructing the people that you have in the right spot. Right. Yeah, I don't have any issue with it. I mean, I guess the only thing for me would be, I kind of like Julio better in the three than the two. I've just seen Julio struggle in the two a little too much. like even with the struggles he had as a lead off hitter that's still you know if you take a look at the stats that's kind of where he's best but he's been really good from the three hole as well and i do like i know some people bring up his running runners in scoring position stats this year and they weren't spectacular last year if you take a look at his overall body of work he's been okay there and i still want him getting more at bats with like a chance to do damage and especially right now where the hits are falling in like the you know the double wasn't crushed, but that's what, three extra base hits in the last two games? That's wonderful to see.

Slugging 428 right now, which is an above average mark. I kind of like the Crawford Polanco, Julio, a little bit better, but this is fine. And if Julio's comfortable and if a Rosarine is comfortable, you know, by the way, another really good game for Randy. Randy, man, he's starting to heat up. Starting to heat up again. I joked about this on Blue Sky that you know. know God is tired of watching you struggle when you let Dom Kanzone get a hit up with left-handed.

That's when you know God is kind of like, all right. I'm going to feed you guys a bone a little bit here. We've done a lot. Let's just give you this, that Dom Kanzone. He didn't exactly clobber it, but it's still a hit off the left-hander. Yeah. It'd be wonderful to see if he's legit. Get well soon, Luke Rayleigh, is what I will say.

Yes. Still in regards to Dom Kizzoon, who's apparently starting a rehab assignment either tonight or pretty still. Yeah, okay. So that's wonderful to see and that will certainly help with the lineup. But to answer your question, yeah, I think the line up construction right now. And lineup construction only means so much the players have to get it done. Totally. That's what ultimately matters.

I think quietly, Dan Wilson has done a pretty good job with lineup construction this year. And I think right now it's probably at its best. Yeah, I think I agree with you there. Just a couple midpicks here and there depending on. I think it's matchup based as well. You can ship those around. You don't have to have to see one through nine every single night. So I just like the way it looked tonight and it obviously worked for them.

The other question I have regarding Dan Wilson tonight was the use of Matt Brash and Andres Munoz. Because in the eighth inning, you had gone up by four at that point, I believe. Let's double check. Yes. Top eight, you were up by four. you go to Matt Brash and, you know, he had already brought him up. I think Goldsmith talked about it in the broadcast. Like you don't want to bring him up and sit him down and then not use him.

So your thoughts on using Brash, but then not using Munoz, who hasn't pitched since June 9th and only twice in the last seven days. So I go back and forth on this one. I do think that if Matt Brash gets hot, you've got to use him the overwhelming majority of the time, right? Because you're probably not going to have him get hot and then have him get hot on back-to-back days. I just don't think you're going to be able to do that. With Munoz, I'll say this. We are maybe a little bit blinded by the fact that he struggled so much with his layoff, you know? Yeah. And there is a thin line between overuse and not using enough because, I mean,

his command looked really bad after those days off, really bad. So here's what I'll say. I'm okay with not using Andres Munoz today. They have to use Andres Munoz tomorrow. Have to. If they're up by 15, if they're down by 15, they have to use Andres Munoz tomorrow. Because you can't get into this funk of not using your closer and not knowing what kind of command you're going to get from him. So I could have justified using him pretty easily, but knowing that now you have that opportunity to use him Saturday and Sunday, I think is worth it. I think it's worth it to have that high leverage option in whatever situation he's going to pitch in.

But in my humble estimation, maybe it's not even that humble, you've got to pitch Adres Munoz tomorrow. He has to pitch tomorrow. Yeah. it's a balancing for me like at first glance I was like I would rather just him pitch here and I I remembered what happened when he didn't pitch in a long time a couple of years ago and then he came out and blew his or got his first earned runs of the year so like it's fresh in my mind and I just maybe I put too much correlation to those two things but I also think like the way they use

him is a little to waiting for the perfect moment if that makes sense. I definitely agree with that. And when you play as crappy as the Mariners do, and in my head I had a different word than crappy, I'll be honest with you there. When you have the funk that the Mariners had, using him for perfect situations just goes out the window. Like, you've just got to make sure that he is fresh, for sure, but also at his best. And he clearly wasn't at his best for those two games against Minnesota. Just clearly wasn't anywhere near the Andres Munoz that the Seattle Mariners need him to be.

And since that series, Andres Munoz has looked more than fine. Yeah. But hasn't pitched enough for us to really know he's got to be used tomorrow. It doesn't matter if they win by 108 or if they say the game's only going two winnings, well, then he's got to pitch the first or the second. Like, he has to go. You have to make sure that your closure is in.

Similar to Jorge Polanco, but different, you know, that creature of routine. And you want Andres Munoz to be at his best. And being at his best is a guy who's being used three or four times a week. Yeah, and I think it's more forgivable not to use them when you're up by four runs than when you're maybe down by two or just wait or a tie game. You know what I mean? And you're like waiting for the save situation, quote, unquote. So that one is like you still have a chance. to win this game and today it worked out because you didn't need to use him quote unquote and now

you can use him uh in the next two and hopefully get two saves from him or whatever but right waiting for the perfect moment for him and i think they did this the last time out i forget i think it was against the or i brought him out in a tie game um and uh or was it uh there's the diamond backs you got diamond backs he got right yeah he looked great yeah he did right so maybe they're learning a little bit more on that front. Yeah. So I just don't want to get to a point where if you're down by one, Dan Wilson's waiting to use Andres Munoz to when you have the lead. So that's kind of the biggest thing I'm going for here. I probably agree with you that he has to pitch tomorrow no matter what, even if you're up by 10 runs. So yeah. All right, guys, really appreciate you hanging out with us tonight.

It's been a good one. Finally, another Mariners win. Let's go get the series win tomorrow. 640 first pitch. Who do we got tomorrow? Is it George Kirby again? I don't remember. I think it is. Let's hope so. I'm still upset about the Thunder game, if I'm being completely honest with you. But, like, you know, hopefully Kirby can just back up what he did, like a semblance of what he did against the Angels, right? Like, if he is that guy, then he can dominate. And it is.

It is George Kirby against Tanner Bybee. Not Bibby. It's Bybee. Yep. And he's probably their best starter right now, probably. By the way, real quick. And I know Ty and Colby will talk about. this, you know, because on Monday they'll do their show. But the decision to send down Logan Evans

means that Logan Gilbert is almost assuredly starting Monday. And that is a wonderful news. Yes, that is great news. Hopefully they're not rushing him back like it seems like they did with Bryce Miller. But I like that they did. I did talk to somebody who said that his bullpen today, or maybe it was yesterday, looked spectacular. Okay. So here's hoping. Great. All right. Well, some good news to look forward to after a good Mariners win let's get back in the winning train guys go win the series tomorrow and maybe we can talk about a possible sweep after tomorrow night so good to talk to you guys thanks for hanging out with us it's been your mariner's postcast we'll talk to you tomorrow night after the game