Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - MLB SQUAD: Bullpen Rankings! Which Team's Relief Corps DOMINATES?

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

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The perfect time to panic is coming soon. We'll tell you when on this edition of Lockdown MLB Squad. Step up to the plate. It's the Lockdown MLB Squad show, sponsored by game time. From the Dodgers to the Astros, the Mets to the Rangers, and everyone else in the league, with the experts of the Lockdown Podcast Network bringing you the most comprehensive breakdowns of all the action around the horn. We're coming in Spikes Up.

No hurt feelings allowed. So squad up. Welcome to the MLB Squad Show. I am Jeff Carr, channel manager of the Lockdown MLB podcast channel and one half of the Lockdown Reds podcast with me is the other half of Lockdown Reds, Steve Offen Baker. And we have both halves of Lockdown Guardians with Jeff Ellis and Justin Lada. And we have Sully from Lockdown MLB. So basically it's the leaguewide point of view and the state of Ohio.

Welcome in. And we've got a lot to get to because we'll tell you who has the best. That's bullpen in the league. That's going to be coming up here in just a few minutes. We'll also be telling you when a slump is real for a player. That's later on in this show. And we'll begin today's show by telling you when you can officially declare a team dead or alive in the standings.

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deadline, that's your team. You've got a picture lock. And so you have to, between Memorial Day and the trade deadline is the sole searching time. You say, you know, we, you know, the teams like last year's Tigers or the Braves in 2021 are there to whisper in the ear. Don't trade anyone yet. You may win. And last year, I had a, not egg. I had multiple omelets on my face when I urged the Mets to say, look it, you had a good June. It's a mirage. It's a seller's market. You could get three building blocks for the future.

And I all but beg the Mets to start trading. And when the Mets got to within two wins of the World Series, don't think I didn't hear it from every single MET. They dug up the body of Bob Murphy just to hold them up and say, look, Bob. Look at him. He was wrong about the Mets. Mr. Mett laughed at me. You would like to have Mets laugh at you. But I was, but it was, but we remember those events because they're rare.

And so in that middle part, if you are, you have to constantly change your sheets because of what you're doing in the bed, then do you know what? You've got to take a look and say, there are so many contenders. and if you have a worthwhile trade ship, then woo, maybe we're on to something. Think about it. Right now, Louis Robert Jr.

is being talked about the same way they talked about Carlos Beltran in 2004 when he was a legit MVP on the way to his free agency, and everyone was willing to say, we'll give you everything, we'll give you every prospect,

we'll clone Ken Griffey Jr. for him. And now it's like, well, we could get, Louis Robert Jr. who's slumping on the white socks. But if you have a trade ship and you stink, this middle part of the year is a time to say, maybe we can get better. Or you can say, last year's tigers sucked at this time, too.

And they got all the way to the division series. Well, and what was it? The 2019 nationals and everything. Or 2019 national to 2021 Braves. The Rangers, when they won it all, I was saying that they were, a pretender. You know, the other piece of it, the other piece of it is in 2022.

Yeah. The other piece that Sully, you know, all of Sully's points are on point there. The other thing about the, the Memorial Day, you know, now you've reached the part of the year where you don't get to blame the weather. You don't get to blame the cold. You don't get to blame the pitchers aren't stretched out. You don't get the blame. The hitters haven't had enough at bat. You have arrived at the part of the year where everybody has lost all of their,

excuses and now this is who you are. However you're playing right now, this is how you are. You can't blame that the ball doesn't carry a great American ballpark in March when it's 30 degrees. You can't blame that the pitchers have the ability to throw 120 pitches. So you got to pull Paul Skeins early because he's not stretched out yet. You lose all that. So this is the part of the season where we really truly see, I think, what these teams are made of all across baseball.

We get to see who guys really are now. And then to Sully's point, then you have to look at your team and say, okay, are we going to be a buyer? Are we going to be a seller? How do we need to start showcasing people if we're going to be a seller in order to get a maximum return? So these are the decisions that you start thinking about as the calendar turns into June. Clearly someone who doesn't live in Ohio because you're sitting there saying you don't have the excuse of weather in May. I'm telling you is in Ohio and I can still make an excuse for weather in May. We've had rainouts this month.

Weather can't stay the same, okay? And the guardians... He lives in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. No, he doesn't get to talk about weather. Cleveland's not good to talk about weather. Cleveland's not real Ohio. That's the thing. Cleveland's not real Ohio.

Cincinnati is Kentucky. I mean, isn't that the longest joke? Like, I think if you live in Cincinnati, you can't throw stones, I think. So what is your stage advice to the Colorado Rockies then? because they both are dead and buried and they have not a single player to trade. What is your advice to that? Because you can bury them below the Denver airport with all those weird things. You can't say their name and I don't appear.

It's like Beetlejuice. I did not expect us to actually get to the Rockies on this podcast today. I'm not going to lie. But when you say Colorado Rockies, it's just a fold. I think that's the Rockies. It's just fold. speak of the Rockies and the host of Locked Rockies will appear. I'm sorry, Paul.

Paul is the most tradable asset on the Colorado Rockies. It really is. Like that, that is the most valuable asset of Colorado Rockies. Hey, I appreciate that. In terms of if the Rockies are, you know, the season starting, right? We can restart it, right? The season, we can just restart it at Memorial Day. That wouldn't help anything.

Like, that would change anything? Come on. It would make me feel better about the record. But, uh, just, She actually brought up a pretty good point about, you know, what the Rockies might have to do. I mean, I don't know what you do at this point. I mean, it is going to be a situation where how do you sell as the Rockies? How do you sell a Ryan McMahon who continues to be inconsistent in struggles and has, you know, the gold glove caliber third base defense?

But at the same time, the Rockies have tried to count on him countless times to be a guy to carry the lineup and he hasn't. and really, I mean, are you going to get a lot for Nick Martini, Kyle Farmer and these type of guys? Like, I don't know. I don't, I mean, the Rockies are that probably, the Rockies could trade Bretton Doyle. You're not going to get a lot for Kyle Farmer and Nick Martini. I know the answer to that.

Exactly, right, exactly. This guy's right. If I were going to go to the end goal. If I were going to go to Fan duel, Paul, if I was going to a Fandul and say in a couple of weeks, will the nuggets, have more playoff wins than the Rockies have regular season wins. Is that, is that, I mean, there is no chance.

I mean, they're playing Oklahoma City now, which, you know, that, that might be tough. But I don't know, the Rockies, I mean, everything and not, it's not just the, I mean, we, okay, we don't, we've spent way too much time talking about the worst team in baseball. But regardless, they are, they are so lost. The things that they thought that they could count on this year, they haven't, and that also leads into the trades. Like Hermann Marquez, he's going to be a free agent, but he's been horrendous this year. Like, I mean, his worst, the worst start to his career by a mile coming off of injury,

you know, would you ever really move on from Kyle Freeland and move on from a guy that's kind of really been dedicated to there? The Rockies are going to be facing a lot of questions. And I don't even know if they're going to be able to get any answers because what sort of interest will there be? Paul, let me ask you this real quick before you disappear on us again. You know, looking at your roster, you've got two guys right now on the entire offensive roster that have an OPS plus above 100.

You've got Jordan Beck that's currently sitting at 137 and you've got Hunter Goodman sitting at 116. Those are age 24 and age 25 players respectively. Do you try, like you guys are such a hot mess right now. Do you try and trade that to get more prospects? Do you try? How do you how does an organization dig out of the nightmare that is your six win April right now? I don't know that they certainly could explore those options, but they also viewed those guys as parts of the future.

This is, you know, basically a team that was supposed to be having pieces that started performing and contributing consistently at the major league level. And they don't have that. So certainly they can, but it's the Colorado Rockies. They're not going to move on. They're just going to trade with the guardians again and just send the same player back. and, you know, they only trade with two teams. And remember, this team is still playing for paying for Nolan Aronado. And, hey, I think the Rockies would take Nolan Aronado, no matter what version you're talking

about him for the last few years over what they're getting at third base. I mean, again, I feel bad for going after him, but Ryan McMahon is supposed to be a guy that the Rockies can count on. And, I mean, amongst others, they haven't been able to do that. Injuries have been a problem for them, but their problems are a lot deeper than that. So I will leave with that. I'm no longer letting this podcast talk about the Colorado Rockies. I'm we are done I am leaving how but I had to at least appear once for for for that the good news

oh no ladies and gentlemen good news is Chris Bryant comes off the books after the 2028 season and that's where we will leave it with the Rockies uh coming up next though let's talk about not the Rockies because I don't think they'll be part of this ranking system the best bullpen in all of baseball There is surviving and then there's thriving. And that's what you can do with your finances when you got Monarch money because you see all your finances in one place. If you go to Monarchmoney.com and set up an account today, you can put all of your accounts on one screen. That way you don't have to remember multiple logins. You don't have to remember all the different websites and all the different ways to go look at this account or that account.

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That's monarchmoney.com. and the promo code Lockdown MLB to save 50% off your first year. Take control of your finances with Monarch Money today. We've got you covered all throughout the league every Tuesday afternoon here on Lockdown MLB Squad. Plus, you can check out Sully's takes every single day about the league on Lockdown MLB. He's going to be looking at, I'm sure, the wonderfulness that is, the bullpen of the New York Yankees, who I'm sure we will be putting at the very top of this list and the wonder that is Devin Williams, right? No, I mean, probably, probably not. He blew a big one for them as they were

up three nothing on the Padres and then all of a sudden they were down four to three before they could even blink. And I think that when it comes to the late innings, you're looking elsewhere than the Bronx, am I right? They have the fourth best FIP in baseball amongst relievers. so bullpens though so the other side is to say while devon williams has maybe been bad or a little unlucky that when you look at the predictive stats uh they're fourth best and in terms of war they're top five as well so they've maybe been leaned on maybe maybe you know it's the same thing we're seen in cleveland um where the the closer is doing things you don't expect the closer to do and they have other weapons and guns uh you know by phip though it's it's the astros and the

Mets and the Padres are your top three. And I really like that trio at the top of the Padres pen. That's what I jump in and say. Those three guys are, you know, your go for Cleveland, you had Gaddis Smith and Class A were unhittable. Not as much this year. But right now, can you look at the Padres in particular when you're talking about Estrada Adams and Suarez?

That's been about as good as good of a one, two, three punches as there could be. And is Hobby going to pop on? Is he waiting in the wings? And beyond? just that. I mean, the depth of their bullpen, Suarez has been as close to unhinnable as you can be this year.

Adam has been terrific, almost as good as Suarez. Estrada has been a stud. Morjohn, is that I pronounce it? Yeah. Morjohn, I'm so, I pronounce a few names wrong recently and I'm gun shy.

Wandi Peralta has been terrific out of their bullpen. Yuki Matsui has been, you know, 19 strikeouts and 14 innings. I mean, I mean, Alec Jacob has been effective. Their bullpen is five or six pitchers deep. And it helps.

And there's a little bit of a chicken or the egg thing here, which is, you know, they have Michael King, who's a really good starter. Nick Povetta, you know, Dylan sees Can be, he's not through a good start. But it's like, are they, do they have a good bowpen? Because their starters actually pitch into, you know, the sixth inning.

So they don't have to use, you're not using their bullpen for five innings a game, or are there starters affected because they can have a good bullpen? The answer is yes. The answer is yes. It's symbiotic. And the best teams I've seen that have had super deep bullpens, like the nasty boys of the Reds,

the, you know, the Dennis Akerslee years with the A's, the bridge to Mariana Rivera, the Bruce Bochy Giants always had good starting pitchers who didn't wear down. the pen so that you don't have to have this parade of relievers. So it's a combination of the two. And I think that they complement each other. And if King or Pivotta, by the way, Pivotta is one of my favorite acquisitions of this year. No one said, he has a draft pick attached to him. No, he's radioactive. And the Pottor said, just go ahead and pick someone. It's probably

going to be a bust anyway. So let's get a major league pitcher into our roster. And there you go. So I think that's a combination. They have a good rotation and a solid bullpen and those worked together. I think we saw a little bit last year by the time Cleveland got to the ALCS. I think their

bullpen was a little gassed because they were, they would, you know, it goes to, well, he's thrown his 94 pitches. So we, you know, he struck out his last six batters, he's on fire. But it's five and third innings. He's dominant. Everyone's

wetting. They're, parents what it came out with no no nope it's five and a third time to go to the bullpen only because only because hobby's not here sully i i want to i want to echo the the thing with san diego and and if you know the question on the tables who's the best bullpen in baseball right now it's the san diego podres they have a team er a of 1.7 3 they've struck out a hundred and thirty two batters while walking 39 and you know they've they've got a closer going over there and robert sweres that's got 13 saves of 13 of their 14 saves right now now. So their bullpen, I think, is pried to support that pitching staff, like you said.

And I just, man, why are we still talking about Wandy Peralta? That guy's still in the league? Like, what in the world? Why does everybody leave Cincinnati? Why does everyone leave Cincinnati and get better? Jeff Hoffman, Wandy Peralta. What is going on? You know who's got a really good bullpon that we're not going to be able to talk about is the Rangers.

If you're looking ahead to the trade deadline, you wouldn't know the Rangers. his bullpen is any good because they can't give them a single lead to protect because their offense is so bad. But they've got some decent relievers out there. Like Nate, you know, they got so they got, uh, who is in the back end of their bullpen there. Chris Martin, who's, who's, he's been around forever too. He's been a guy that's been really good.

Robert Garcia's fantastic. Hobie Milner, you talk about guys who have gone on to other teams to be better. Alby Milner's next Cleveland pitcher. He's been pretty good. That might be a team that you can look for in terms of selling things off. I don't think that counts. He was, he never pitched a pitch. I remember a more as a brewer.

Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. But that's a good bullpen. He doesn't have a lead to protect, but their bullpen's been decent. They're kind of down that list, right? And I kind of wonder this a little bit because I remember for much of the season last year, the Reds were actually ranked pretty high as far as wins above replacement for a bullpen is concerned.

So where do we kind of rank that? Because as it stands, at least according to Fangraphs, the Mets are dead even with the Padres. And we have not mentioned them yet. You know, I think it's interesting if you just look at like individual dominance too. Like the Mets top reliever is A.J. Minter, like in terms of fit. Like, you know, in the other side of it, you're looking at, you know, we talk about San Diego, where Suarez in the top 10 and more John in the top 13. The guys you expect to be there.

They have more pieces, you know, or then there's Ryan, I'm going to be with Sally here and get it wrong. But for Rekke, Baruki from Pittsburgh, who we all expect to be in the top 10, lowest fit amongst relievers at the start of the year. So I think the Mets, they don't have Diaz, but they don't strike me as having the horses right now. I could be wrong and Mets fans will come after me, uh, Tarr and Fettering me later. You know, I used to live in Brooklyn. So I know what that's like, but there's a lot of guys you don't, it's a bullpen built through the waiver system in the Rule 5 draft. It's really interesting put together.

It is a scrappy bullpen. So I'm curious to see if they can maintain. And the, the Mets bullpen is also allowed twice as many earned runs as the Padres. So when you look at what they've given up, when they've. come in. They've allowed more guys to score. So I would, comparing the two, I mean, I see where you're going there, but I would, I would still give the edge to the Padres. By the way, the guardians have 11 wins as a really as a bullpen. The daughters have 14. So that's how this works, right? You have the most wins as a bullpen. You have the best bullpen. Exactly.

Pitcher wins. The most important stand baseball, right? It is. I think that you take a look. And we're moving on. No. You take a look at the Detroit bullpen and Kansas City's bullpen are both kind of anonymous, and yet they've been really effective. Tommy Canley, has been one of the best pickups of any team in this offseason. And the Lucas Ersegs of the world with Kansas City. And who do they have close?

They have Carlos Estevez as close. And then Daniel Lynch, the fourth. Let me tell you, fourth time's a charm with the Lynch family. And he turns out he, you know, the grandpa and the great grandpa couldn't pull their weight. But, you know, the fourth guy, he's been, you know, By the way, he's a classic example of a guy who was a completely uninspired starting pitcher. And someone said, well, he never drafted for some reason.

Throw him in the bullpen see what we can do. And this guy who was, you know, five ERAs in the, you know, while pitching 130 innings or whatnot. And then suddenly, well, throw him in the bullpen, see what happens. And, you know, not that ERA is the end-all or be-all stat, but we're quickly approaching the quarter point of the season. and he's allowed two earned runs in 16 and third innings. I'm not saying that he is the, like the Affelt or Stanton or whatever other, you know, pitcher of a great bullpen lefty, but he is, he's certainly allowing the Royals to, you know, have some depth in the pen.

And surprise, surprise, the Rolls also have some good starting pitching. So I'm starting to detect a pattern that if you have good starting pitching, Joe Bubeck, Waka, Lorenzen, who all give them some decent innings, then you're not running the bullpen into the ground. I know I'm not allowed to throw five innings, but sometimes if you go, hey, maybe they can throw a six and we'll save an arm, maybe you do that. I know it's not cool to say that. It's cool to have your bullpen completely exhausted by the end of the year

the World Series champions scheduling bullpen games in the World Series. But I think you should relieve a pitcher when they need relief. I don't know. I'm old for what it's worth to your point, Kansas City, second least amount of bullpen inning so far this year to 111 and 2 thirds. The most in that category, the LA Dodgers at 145 and a third, just like they're going to be exhausted by the end of the year. It's going to be exhausted.

And then they go buy nine other guys and not. worry about it. Anyway, let's look at slumps because I think at this point in the season, there's definitely some guys on teams where you're just like, he doesn't seem to have it this year, probably time to move on from him. And it's a name we all know when you look around the league. So where exactly do we put the weight on the slump? And when do we think you need to make the change? We'll discuss that next. There is nothing like watching a baseball game live. and the best way to get to the baseball game is through game time. Game time has amazing last minute deals. I use game time all the time to get down to Reds games in Cincinnati.

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or put on the bench or what have you and where's the other point of this where it's just like all right we need to relax this guy is fine I think their overall history factors in. There's not a, there's not a blanket answer to this. You know, we've seen it in Cincinnati where the Reds had a closer by the name of Alexis Diaz, who for a while was pretty unhittable.

He did some wild things and loved to walk the first batter, but he always got out of it and he had good numbers. Came back from injury this year, and it was very clear, very fast that he was not going to get anybody out. And Terry Francona and the Reds had a decision to make very quickly, if they were going to continue to try and run him out there and let him figure it out, or if they were going to send him down.

And Terry Francona very quickly said, you know, he needs to go down and figure that out, and he can't do that at the major league level. Then you've got other guys on the Reds names that you know, like Matt McLean, coming back from injury, who, if you ask around Reds country, split 50-50, whether someone will tell you, oh, he's struggling and he should be sat down or sent down or whatever, or he'll figure it out.

But you look at what he was able to do when he was healthy and had an uninterrupted spring training and a start, and he's able to be a really, really good player. So in his situation, he's got hits in four of his last five games. You look at that. You look at how he's performing. And you say, okay, he looks like he's about to break out. He looks like he's going to turn a corner.

So you keep running that guy out there and you keep letting him try to figure it out unless he proves otherwise over a big period of time. It's May, guys. It's the beginning of May. While we talked about Memorial Day being a benchmark, We're not there yet. And especially on the hitter side of things, you want to give guys every opportunity to figure it out.

So I think May is too early to push a panic button unless there is just something so glaringly obvious that tells you they're not going to be able to get it. These are professional baseball players, and hitting is hard. You have to let them kind of work through it and work their process and figure it out for as long as you can until you get into the summer

and you just can't wait anymore. If you play out of the Cleveland Gardens, you're automatically in a slump. If your name's not Stephen Kwan. Did you play off the Guardians, your name's not Stephen Kwan? You're in a slop. No, here's one I didn't expect to get wrong, honestly, is the Brady Singer-Jonathan India trade. You guys talk about the Reds players.

You guys dodged a bullet. Jonathan, India is terrible this year. I thought for sure the Reds were going to get the sour into that deal because I didn't think Brady-Sigger was going to translate to that ballpark with Jonathan, India looks terrible. And I agree with Steve, you've got to go track record here. If a guy's got long enough a track record and he's still in his prime, if he's not, you know, 39-year-old Carlos Santana, whatever, you have to give a time. Tito likes to say guys get to their levels and all that stuff.

But if there's not a track record there or the underlying data is just so poor, like there are some guys in the Guardians like John Kenzin-O-L who get the ball 500 feet, but the underlying data is so poor that it's just not going to reverse itself. There are data points that are just not going to reverse themselves, whether it's May 5th, you know, May the 4th, there's no force with some of these guys. Like, it's just not going to work out. Like, there are guys you can pull the plug on right now. Alex, you were about to say something.

Yeah, you know, I think there's two guys, though, that stand out. Like, we're really going to get into some guys with some bad data. You know, Corbin Burns, like Arizona is a hard place to pitch. And he is just not missing bats. And, you know, the data all around him is pretty awful right now. So I'm very curious to see what happens. And then Gunner Henderson, like, you want to talk about a situation where a guy he isn't hitting and he isn't fielding. And that's where I get concerned with the guy is that situation where all aspects are poor.

When you brought up Gunner, I'm going to bring up his former teammate. I think another thing to keep in mind is if there's a change of scenery in a big contract, Anthony Santander has been awful for the Toronto Blue Jays. And he signed a big Mongo contract, a lot of deferred money. And, you know, he is, he's always been a good player. I've never thought he was a superstar, but I always thought he was certainly, you know, switch hitting, you know, complimentary player. complimentary player with some skills, some power and everything like that. He's been dreadful.

He has been absolutely dreadful. Now, usually a player like him, you know, they'll play to their, you know, the whole thing, they'll play to the car, you know, the numbers on the back of their baseball card. But you got, and I would, and I would say probably the all-star break is where, you know, if there's, if he's still doing this by the all-star break, you can panic. Because you could say, all right, he's had a, let's just say roughly a, month and a half. He's had a, he's had a crummy month and a half. A lot of players have

had crummy months and a half. And he just happened to have at the beginning of a big contract where he had to change of scenery. Now, that's why you got, I think Santander, you got to give him to the All-Star break. Can he write the ship after another, you know, month and a half or so, you know, go to mid-July? If, you know, right now, um, he's slashing 178, 267, 310 for a 577 OPS. Maybe those stats are Canadian and we can. got to convert them. Yeah, well, it's a metric system they use there. And that's actually a very good OPS in Canada. He's four homers. He said, I'm not, I'm not the biggest war guy in the world, but I do know a negative 0.06 is not good. It's not good. That means he's worse than a

mediocre player. I do know OPS plus. In fact, his OPS plus is 65. I thought that was a typo on baseball reference.com, the single greatest website in history of the planet Earth. But I, you know, that was, it's funny because Toronto has wanted to be in the, the big signing business for so long. They are, I'm going to make a reference only for fans of Crummy 80s films. They are the Golanglobus of the Canon films of the May. Masters of the universe.

Well, that's right. And they'll sign Sylvester Stallone, but for over the top? Over the top. They'll sign a Superman film, but they'll have to slash the budget. They wanted Otani. They wanted, who was it? They wanted Freddie Freeman. All these players, they've wanted to sign big time.

And they all take a look at Toronto, a huge market. They have a whole freaking country. It's a massive city. It's a wonderful city. And it's a fan base that when the team is good, holy cow that place is rocking and the best they could get is anthony santander and um wow they're better off signing Vlad Guerrero Sr because I guarantee you Vlad Guerrero Sr. can slash better than this right now. And the Santander has five more barrels than the five of us combined.

So he's not he's not doing very well on the quality of contact metric stuff either. it's tough right because like that's a dude that you would expect would bounce back i mean he hit 44 home runs just a year ago so you got to give him to the all-star break because it's a environment it's a new city because these are actually now this is this is a rumor but this is this is this is a thing that i this is this is kind of a theory i have and it's not there's no stats to back it up but he's actually a human being and maybe him being in a new place after he basically on that right now. Yeah, playing Baltimore for eight years, brand new place, brand new country. He's affected by the tariffs. I don't know. And to suddenly look up and say, hey, everything's a little

different. And he may be putting a little pressure on himself. Now, this is why Toronto would really, really, it would behoove them if they had what is called a manager. But they haven't had one of those in a while. And someone like him, you know, someone like him would, be, if you had a veteran manager in there, I might say, hey, we know who you are. You're absolutely right, Sally. You've got to give him more time. And in his last three years, his age 27, 28, 29 season, all three seasons, more than 150 games. All three seasons, his OPS plus 120, 120, 121, 133.

He is not a 65 OPS plus guy. The real Anthony Santander is eventually going to show up. And that's the kind of player that you look at his history, you look at his body of work and you say, you know what, we're going to let him cook. We're going to let him figure this out. We're not going to panic yet. No, and I would not panic with him because I think he is better than that. I just think he's is a new team, new situation.

We've seen lots of players struggled when they get to a new team and then write the ship. You know, so I- He's making enough money where he's not going anywhere anyway. Doesn't matter if you pay the Canadians or US dollars. He's not going anywhere. Or there's reasons teams didn't jump on this guy. Like, you can look at some of the other underlying stuff and be like, like, you know, a lot of times teams sit off guys for a reason.

And, you know, this is a player who had pretty poor quality of, he had a lot of runs, but the quality of contact was not great a year ago. And that doesn't age well. I'm not saying, he'll be better, but I'm just curious to see. It's worth noting because those are the types of things that you look at for a turnaround on a guy. And whenever they've got the good quality of contact, then that turnaround is easy. And just in case there are any Reds fans that are wondering, yes, Matt McLean's going to turn

it around. And that is where we will. in today's podcast. Thanks everybody for checking out this edition of Lockdown MLB Squad. Jeff, Justin, Steve, Sully, thank you guys for being a part of this show. Check us out every Tuesday afternoon. Lockdown MLB Squad is part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. We are your team every single day.