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Starting point is 00:00:01 Does anybody want to go to the playoffs in the National League? I mean, we know the Phillies and the Dodgers and, you know, the Brewers. They got that. And then there's the Cubs and, well, the Padres. But quite frankly, the Mets don't look like they want anything to do with the playoffs. But neither do the teams chasing them? Step up to the plate. It's the Locked-on MLB squad show.

Starting point is 00:00:22 From the Dodgers to the Astros, the Mets to the Rangers, and everyone else in the league, with the experts of the Lockdown Podcast Network, bringing you the most comprehensive of breakdown of all the action around the war. We're coming in spikes up. No hurt feelings allowed. So squad up. Step up to the plate. It's the locked on ML. Welcome on into the lockdown MOUB squad show. Appreciate you joining us here for this latest edition of the squad. My name is Jeff Carr, I am the lockdown MLB channel manager and one half of locked on Reds. Joining me here today, Jady, Haffron from Lockdown Cardinals. Jady, what you got for us today? I got a team that is done.

Starting point is 00:01:05 So I am out for the playoffs. Although Booney was trying to make me feel better before we went live to five games back. You got Miles Michaelis. You're going to be okay. Not going to happen. Speaking of the Booney, he's here too, locked on A's. The A's, they did just sweep my reds. So there's that.

Starting point is 00:01:28 If they had, if Major League Baseball went to the, minor league system where there was two halves, a first half winner and a second half winner, we're having a different conversation. You know, I did take the A's to be a surprise playoff team in my futures bets. I don't want to talk about the rest of my futures bets because they are all on that same plane of wrongness. But yes, and speaking of wrongness, Justin Latter from Lockdown Guardians officer, oh, I'm sorry, no, not wrongness.

Starting point is 00:01:56 He is right some of the times too. Wow. So some of the times, just some of the time. That's fine. That's okay. I was wrong writing off the Guardians three, four times this year. I've gotten into Puebloader more often than I've been right. So that's fine.

Starting point is 00:02:11 That's fair. That's what we do in Ohio. We write off our baseball teams and yet they still remain in playoff races because the Reds are two games out. The Guardians are on a crazy winning streak reminiscent of 22 in a row, not quite that much, but still getting up there, you know, it's a nice, hard charge toward the wild card are they going to get it done they are going to get it done they're going to even say he's believing he's back in the division is in play i am back in all the way

Starting point is 00:02:41 i am back in the division is in play what i i i i don't necessarily know exactly how bad the tigers have fallen on some hard times for cleveland the tiger's below 500 in the second half they are multiple games below five hundred the second half and the guardians i will say they are 17 5 17 and 5 since the end of august wow that's after that's after they were 23 and 9 uh until august 14th and they want 1 and 9 and now they're 17 and 5 and now they're 13 and 4 in the month of september so they have one of the best records in baseball i think they have the best record in baseball since the end of their 10 game losing streak so boone would have some competition for uh the second half championship

Starting point is 00:03:26 chip. Now, Justin, who has his tiebreaker between the Tigers and the Guardians? TBD, but if the Guardians win three in Cleveland next week, or if they win one, I'm sorry, the Guardians need one more winning against the tiger's tiebreaker. Obviously, they probably one of three. The division chances are probably over at that point. So we'll see what happens. The funny thing about that is earlier in the year, Cleveland went to Detroit, took three or four, lost to Terek Scoobble, beat him today. So boom. And then the Tigers came into Cleveland. They won the game, Janey. They won the game.

Starting point is 00:04:00 They beat Terrick Scoobel today. Is he a part of the Detroit Tigers? Is he? Beat the bullpen surrounding them now. This is what I was pointing out. The reason I know this is just because of fantasy baseball has nothing to do with me, doubting the Cleveland Guardians by any beats. They won the game, okay?

Starting point is 00:04:19 They won the game. They beat the team that Terek Scoobel. You play to win the game, as one famous coach once said. The Guardians beat Terrick Scobel the way that teams beat the pirates when Paul Skeen's pitches. They just beat the other pitchers that get on the mound after Paul Skeens is done pitching. And they rely on the other teams in aptitude. Yeah. But the Tigers swept the Guardians in Cleveland.

Starting point is 00:04:40 So neither of these two teams have played well at home. So next week's going to be really interesting. And kind of, too, with the Rangers falling off a little bit. I know I tease like the NL wild card picture here for a minute, but sticking with the American League. Like the Rangers look like they were making that hard charge. A lot of people were picking, including myself, and now they seem to be falling back. And it looks like it's Cleveland's game to get that final wildcard spot away from, from, you know, that spot there.

Starting point is 00:05:08 I just blanked on who was in the final wildcard spot at the moment. I think it's the red so we got three gets here. Boston, Seattle, like they're all right there. Oh, that's right. Yeah, Red So. Boone's days, Red So he's going to help out the other night if they had beaten the A's, but if they beat in the Red Sox, but no, thanks, Booney.

Starting point is 00:05:26 I mean, he's been playing good ball. Red Sox game and a half up right now over the Guardians, four up on the Rangers. I mean, no one's really, I want to say anyone's really out of it from either side. Even the Cardinals find back. You never know. With nine of play, they went out. Reds are right there. I mean, who knows?

Starting point is 00:05:42 Who's the most vulnerable, though, like between the Red Sox and the Mets? Who's the most vulnerable between those two? Red Sox, no question about it. I mean, they're just a bad team right now. The A's beat them two out of three, and their offense has just absolutely disappeared. They have absolutely zero offense. Now, I will say this about their pitching. If you're looking at two legit aces, this rookie early is legit.

Starting point is 00:06:12 Crochet and early, that may be the best one-two punch in all of baseball as far as starters go. Again, he's only made two major league starts. against the A's. Damn, they're really good starts. Man, Hunter Green might say something about that. One hit shutout of the Chicago Cubbies tonight. And him and Andrew Rabbit, you put them two guys together. We'd think that, but then I'm thinking back to Hunter Green's outing on Saturday against

Starting point is 00:06:39 the A's. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, that's true, too. He was giving up the long ball there in the Sutter, Sutter Health Park. The AAA Stadium. Just call AAA. And no city. it's a non-existent city.

Starting point is 00:06:55 The, yeah, redacted, redacted city there in California. I think I tend to agree with you because I just don't, I don't understand why the Mets are here. Like the Mets won, as we're recording here on Thursday. They won against the Padres on Thursday, and that's just their third win in their last 10 games. They keep doing this thing where they go on crazy streaks of ineptitude. Then they go on that eight game winning streak. And now they're back on. another streak of crazy ineptitude.

Starting point is 00:07:24 And I wonder a little bit, like, will one of the Diamondbacks, Reds, or Giants actually finally take advantage of this? Because all three of these teams, as much as I have liked to sort of belabor the point that the Reds are getting close without actually getting there, so have the Diamondbacks and so have the Giants. Like they've all been within like a half game over this last month or so, but nobody has actually overtaken them. The Mets are a lot.

Starting point is 00:07:52 A lot of ground to make up, though. You know, the, the Mets were up there for quite a while. So, you know, it took an eight-game losing streak just to get them this close to where they're at. So I know you guys might be down on Boston, but I am shocked that how vulnerable the Mets are right now where their best pitchers are three rookies right now. Like, it's none of these guys that they went and spent, you know, the bag on to bring to New York. It's McLean. It's Sprote. it's tong like these are the guys that like some people you know had never seen or heard of

Starting point is 00:08:27 until uh the last two three weeks and those are the guys they're relying on to you know get them over the finish line i've i've always said that i shock me if the meds didn't get in just because of the amount of talent that is on the roster but i mean relying on those three to to get you to the promise land man that's some risky business right there here's something interesting in all these teams in something that's different this year than any other year there's not one team that they're starting pitching you look at and they scare you. There's no one-two punch out there that's like, whoa. I mean, pitchers right now, it seems like they're dropping like flies with regard to getting hurt.

Starting point is 00:09:04 I don't know. Dodgers are pretty amazing. Like, if you put those like, give me, give me show a snow, glass now, Yamamoto. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. With regard, they're healthy. Dodgers aren't part of the conversation. Okay. I do wonder about them a little bit, though.

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Starting point is 00:11:00 Before we jumped into the break, the Dodgers are very intriguing because, I mean, obviously coming into this season, their over under was insane. I think it was at 104 and a half at one point. And they're certainly not going to hit that, but they are going to have this magical magic surrounding them,

Starting point is 00:11:20 just lost the word, of Clayton Kershaw announcing his retirement. Like is he going to ride off into the sunset? Are we going to be crowning them World Series champs again? Absolutely. I can't imagine you can't. I mean, as J.D. was saying, you got Yamamoto, you got Snell, you got Glasnow. I think if you were really to look at their health and look at them as a ball club as a whole, they're in better shape this time this year than they were last year at this time.

Starting point is 00:11:45 They look really, really good. And I don't know who's going to beat those three on any given day. what do you make of otani playing the outfield to subvert that rule in the in the uh in the playoffs that he you know he's on there could he win the gold glove if he played all year in the outfield i don't know but i wouldn't put it past him but i also think that we're asking this dude to do so much on the baseball field i don't know that he's getting paid to do it so uh i'm not i don't feel bad for him at all it's true it's making plenty of cheddar to go if they need him to be be a bullpen catcher. You better have his butt out there doing it if I was paying the bill for

Starting point is 00:12:26 Joe Hey, Otani. But I mean, the guy's an incredible athlete. We haven't seen him play the field a few years. So I don't know how great he's going to be. But I would imagine he'll be just fine. You know, I don't imagine that he'll have too many issues there. But him as a pitcher, as a starting pitcher, you mentioned those other three Booney, but you put Otani in there now who looked incredible in his last outing. Like that, that, He looked like, you know, Sigh Young award-winning type of guy, Otani, right there to go along with the MVP power. So it's going to be tough. It's weird how they flip-flop their problems.

Starting point is 00:13:02 Remember last year it was the starting rotation with the Dodgers? Everybody's like, uh-oh, they don't have anybody. Now it's the bullpen that everybody's like, uh-oh. Yeah, right. You know, these guys are all that good right now. So it's a different problem to have. But if any of those starters, instead of going like the five innings that sometimes you see in a playoff game instead, and these guys are stretching six, seven, then they don't have to rely on them quite as much.

Starting point is 00:13:24 That's how I was going to say. That's a good point because if they get to the playoffs and any of their starters don't do a great job, they're in trouble. And are we going to see the Dodgers try to bring relievers or starters out of the bullpen? Like that may be the way I have to go. And they're, I mean, they're not even in control the division. Like the Padres is only two and a half out. That race is still far from over with the final week to go.

Starting point is 00:13:45 Like the Padres still have a really good rotation themselves. And they probably. probably have one of the best bullpens. Here's a question for you, guys. Does Clayton Kershaw make the roster? Is he going to be on there? Is he coming out of the pin? Is it a she-hand going to be coming out of the pin like you mentioned, Jess?

Starting point is 00:14:02 I would, I don't know. I mean, Kershaw is going to be there. Kirshah is going to be there. I'm really curious to see how the bottom of their lineup does, to be, to be honest with you, because last year of their offense, obviously, it's still really good. Like Otani, bats, Bats, Freeman, Monsi's been solid. But, like, Teosker-N-A-N-A-Ranis, not having a great year.

Starting point is 00:14:17 Michael Conforto, not having a great year. Like the bottom of their lineup is pretty suspect and how long is Will Smith going to be out for? Like that's also not fantastic either. So it's going to be really interesting to see what they do in the postseason. I think it's going to be how much can the bottom of their lineup give them and how many, you know, the third time through the order penalty is true. Like I know the race didn't let Blake Snell go that deep in when they had him, but like Blake Snell might have to go seven innings or three times through the order for the Dodgers for them to win this. Can he do that?

Starting point is 00:14:49 That's an intriguing point, too. Like where the Dodgers are in this race, it doesn't feel like, unless they go on a crazy run and the Phillies choke a bit. I think that the Dodgers are playing in that first wild card round. And so congratulations, Mets, Diamondbacks, Reds, Giants, whoever it is that makes it, you get to face the Dodgers. And that's just a crazy prospect in and of itself because it does feel like as much as, you know, somebody could kind of try to poke fun at the Dodgers for not hitting their over under. The Dodgers don't care about that. They care about October.

Starting point is 00:15:25 That's all they care about. The season begins here in a couple of weeks for them. And so that's going to be the hard part with all of this, like people trying to claim that, oh, this is their weakness, that is their weakness. They don't figure it out because their team is just so freaking deep compared to everybody else.

Starting point is 00:15:40 And that's going to be the hard part in getting over the Dodgers. I still feel like the Phillies are the team that makes it to the World Series out of the National League, but I would not be surprised if the Dodgers beat them. Yeah, I think the Phillies, I mean, you look at the staff that's scary. It's, it's the Phillies, even with losing Lizar, excuse me, even with losing Wheeler. And that's not from top to bottom as far as is the only staff that you can really look at and match up with the Dodgers as far as pitching. And on the offensive side of the ball, I think they're a lot better.

Starting point is 00:16:16 I don't think their rotation can match up. to be honest with you. I mean, you got, I mean, Sanchez has been great. Suarez is fine. Lazardo has been up and down this year. Taiwan Walker, like, is he really going to keep that going? And Aaron Noah has not been great this year either. Their bullpen's a little bit better, but my God, they have Walker Bueh are pitching out of their bullpen right now who got cut by the Red Sox, like, replaced by the rookie you were talking about. Like, I don't know. The Phillies and Rangers were my World Series pick at the beginning of the year. Obviously, one half of that is not going to work out now. I don't know. It's as weird to me, the Dodgers.

Starting point is 00:16:47 I know Jeffie were saying they don't care about the regular season, but who got the Phillies and the Brewers competing for the best record in baseball? Like those are the two best teams of baseball, and everybody else is kind of like on a different level, which is very, very strange. The question is, are the Brewers going to actually do anything in the playoffs? And I wouldn't count out the Cubs either. Like the Cubs, I know they've had their issues in the second half,

Starting point is 00:17:09 but I wouldn't want to be facing them in the playoffs either. And you're right, the Dodgers, too. Like, I don't want to face them because they're not going to play that final weekend against Boston with anything. They know they're not catching best record. If they have the vision wrapped up, they're going to rest all their guys and they're going to lie up their pitching for game one of the wild card series. So whoever they're facing is going to have to be putting all their best effort forward to get in to that series. So good luck. It's interesting that the Cubs actually have a better run differential than the Dodgers do. That's kind of an interesting note to look at there.

Starting point is 00:17:41 Jady, you and I, at least of the four of us, know the Brewers the best. Are we over? Are we over? Overlooking them because it just feels like they do this every year. They absolutely dominate the regular season. And then we get to October and we're like, let's see what you got. Because every year we know what happens. And Chuck would tell us too if he was on here right now. Like that's what they're all really worried about. Yeah, they're worried about the collapse in the playoffs because outside of Freddie

Starting point is 00:18:10 Peralta when that starting rotation, I mean, yeah, they got good numbers, but it's, you know, it's Quinn Priester who like, I mean, nobody was. really relying on him coming into the season. It's Jose Cantana. You know, they got Brandon Woodruff coming back from injury. I assume he would be probably their number two. Maybe they're number three there. You know, what are they going to do with the Mizz in the playoffs?

Starting point is 00:18:31 But there's a thing about the Brewers this year. And it's something that people used to bring up with the Cardinals. They just find this devil magic. And that's how they're able to pull off wins and whatnot. And it feels like a lot of really lucky things have happened for the Brewers to win as many games as they have. I've never seen anybody going like, that's a scary line of things just kind of fall their way so far this year. And I always wonder if like, is that luck going to run out when they get to the postseason? As you mentioned, Chuck would say the same thing that that's his biggest

Starting point is 00:19:00 concern. He's like, yeah, they've been a really good regular season team for three seasons in a row now, but where's the wins in the playoffs? And that's what they're all nervous about. So I wonder if they go into the playoffs, kind of playing timid and a little scared because they don't want to screw it up. in the playoffs again. I feel like there's a psychological thing that might be there. But we've played them a lot this year, dude. They are a good team. They're very solid up and down in that lineup. They play really good baseball. I love the way they play too, where it's bunning, it's sacrificing. It's not just relying, you know, like a Yankee team where it's just relying on power all the time. So they don't know how Cleveland does it.

Starting point is 00:19:37 You know, it's not just one or two guys. It's a whole lineup that does things to get it done. And they got a solid bullpen that has kind of, you know, I've gotten a little, tired as things have gone on. And Chuck has said that too, that he's worried that they've worn out some of their both in arms. But yes, they're getting overlooked. I would say I would agree with that. But at the same time, there's a reason to be timid about what they can do as far as a playoff run all the way to the World Series for sure. They make contact. They get on base. And when they get on base, they put immense pressure on pitching. A lot like Toronto. When you say, Booney? A lot like Yes, yes, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:20:16 It up and down the lineup, someone gets on base and it's like they're looking to take second. They change the whole vibe of the game. I'm rooting for, I'm rooting for Milwaukee this year. I hope they take it. I love the way that's someone who watches, covers a team that has that same formula boony, I will say when it gets to October, that formula is hard to make work against a bullpen. If you have a star that goes five shutout innings or five innings, one run ball, and they've got three or four relievers, they can trot out there.

Starting point is 00:20:43 that strategy blows up in your face real quickly. It worked for the Guardians enough to squeak by the race in 2022. They took the Yankees to five games in 2022 that year, and they got the Yankees to five games last year. But that strategy on the whole is very dicey in October. I mentioned Clayton Kirschaw just a minute ago. I feel like him announcing his retirement, or at least announcing his retirement here at the end of the year,

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Starting point is 00:24:18 We're all over your feeds all the time. because we're part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. All right, with Clayton Kershaw announcing that he's going to retire at the end of this season, I saw something I want to say it was probably about May that the athletic had put out there, about the era of the Ace and, you know, the Justin Verlanders and Max Scherzer's and Clayton Kershawls of the world and guys like that, where it's like it feels like we're coming to the end of this era. And there's definitely talented guys in the league like Paul Skeen's and Terik Skoubel.

Starting point is 00:24:48 are those two like it though like is somebody else going to step out because i'd love to say that hunter green is part of that group but hunter green is that stayed healthy enough to make enough starts in the season for like everyone around the league to recognize his aceness is is is is he the last of his breed is he the last one was starting pitching changing so much it seems now every other week every month whatever it may be somebody is going down with some sort of major injury. A position player in baseball, they're out four to six weeks. A starting pitcher is out like two years.

Starting point is 00:25:25 And if they're ever back to normal, who knows? I don't know if there's, I don't think it's off base to say Clayton Kirshaw may be the last one with the way pitchers are being trained to throw these days. Clayton Kirshaw stopped being the last of his breed years ago, though, because you talk about guys who are hurt every year. Clayton Kirshaw hasn't been healthy for a full season. and I can't tell you how long, to be honest. So, I mean, and that's not to say.

Starting point is 00:25:52 Clayton Kershaw, obviously, is going to be a Hall of Famer. He's one of the best to ever do it. But, yeah, I mean, the last of his kind has gone to the wayside. Like, Paul's, I don't even, I forget how many career wins he has, but, like, we may not see the 300 career winner. I don't even know who's anywhere close to that. Like, when the pirates eventually trade Paul's Keens to the Dodgers, like, maybe he'll start winning games over there.

Starting point is 00:26:13 Or, I mean, Garrett Crochet, like, he's already been hurt with Tommy. John, but he's having a fantastic year. I think Crochet has solidifying himself. But again, if he can say healthy, you're right. Because everybody at this point, like, Terek Scoobel, yeah, like, he's good, too. But everybody has Tommy John. Everybody doesn't pitch 100, 200, 200 innings. And nobody wins a lot of games anymore.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Yeah, I'm looking at Kershaw stats here. 222 wins. So, like, we're not even, we're not even. Scherzer, is he close to 300? I know he's on the outs, too, but. I would say no. He's had a lot of injuries too. Like we're talking about these guys. I mean, they've pitched very late into their careers,

Starting point is 00:26:56 which is why, you know, the numbers have been able to reach the heights they have. But yeah, it's who's the next guy? I would say scuba. That's the first guy that comes off the top of my head that is even remotely in that sort of category. But yeah, it's not about. seven, eight, nine innings anymore. You know, it's about, give me a quality start. Get me to six. And then we'll hand it off to the bullpen.

Starting point is 00:27:25 And that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, are, are picking up the wins and stuff these days. And, uh, there's just not those managers as in teams just don't expect it from them anymore. They're not requiring it, really. It's what it is. I don't really put the blame on the guys. It's really, that's the way they think is the best way to utilize the arms these days. So, um, yeah, I, it's It's tough to imagine anybody getting even close to 3,000 strikeouts again or anything like that because they just don't pitch long enough and they don't pitch deep enough into games. Well, Justin, you bring up a good point because, all right, so the top three active pitchers

Starting point is 00:28:01 and wins right now are Verlander-Kershaw-Shirzer, Berlander with 265, Kershaw with 222, and Scherzor with 221. The next guy has 153. And it's Garrett Cole. You know who's fifth? You'll be here. Tommy John. You won't guess.

Starting point is 00:28:21 You won't guess who is the number five guy. I'll give you, I give you guys each one guess. Oh. Katie, give me a guess. Number five guy. She's a miles back.

Starting point is 00:28:34 Active pitcher and wins. Let's see where he's out on this list. That is brutal. There is a cardinal that's on this list, a current cardinal that's on the top 10. That's great. Yeah. Sunny Gray. Sunny Gray is number seven, number five. Justin, you got to guess. Who is on the Cardinals that is, that is, that is. Sunny Gray was number seven. That's the card. I'll give you it. So I'll give you a hint. I didn't give anybody else. And if you don't get it

Starting point is 00:29:06 right, I'll give the hint to everybody else. But the hint here is think about how old this guy is. It can't be Jacob de Grom because he never won a, he never won a lot of games. So I can't say take up to Grom, but I don't know who else to go with. Robbie Ray, like Robbie Ray's been around for everybody. He's always... Wobbe Webb? Love the Web's not old enough. No. I don't. I don't know. Charlie Morton. Oh, good one.

Starting point is 00:29:31 Charlie Morton is number five in the active wins pitchers at 147. When I think of pitching dominance, I definitely think of Charlie Morton. When you say a lease, Charlie Morton right after.

Starting point is 00:29:47 All of things. Charlie Morton, what? Wow. Let's see. Garrett Cole's 34 at 153 wins. Sunny Grace 35 at 124 wins. There is Kevin Gosman has 112 and he's tied with Carlos Carrasco for 11th. Hey, Carl Carasco.

Starting point is 00:30:08 Yeah. Change the whole thing parameters. Let's just be honest. We have to stop thinking about how much wins matter. We have to change the parameters. They don't because there are 20 guys right now. active major league pitchers that have a hundred or more wins 20 that's it nathan uvaldi is number 20 right by the low dallas kikel is he actually active right now dallas kikel

Starting point is 00:30:32 it's a good question um my official my only game this year i don't know jose barrios is 16th with aaron nola but it's just it's crazy to think i mean you bring up a great point like how do we evaluate the aceness of guys moving forward because obviously Verlander Kirchall-Schurzer, there's nobody like those guys anymore. Like, Garrett Coleman might be the closest, but I don't think he wins a hundred more games in his career. And if he doesn't win 100 more games in his career, he doesn't even get to where Justin Verlander is right now, let alone get to 300.

Starting point is 00:31:07 Yeah. If we don't change the parameters 10 years from now, there's not going to be a single pitcher being inducted to the Hall of Fame. Do we change the Hall of Fame parameters, or do we change the parameters of what a win is? I don't think you could change that. Like you were talking about managers, like how they're managing differently. It's development. All these teams now, and I see it covering, I think I'm sure you see guys see in the minor leagues too.

Starting point is 00:31:32 They're not letting guys throw. Like, you're getting in the minors. You're going 80 pitches and you're done. Like guys in the minors aren't going 100 or 110. Like they're, if you are a real prospect, like if you have a 26 year old AAA guy, like, okay, you'll let him go 120 because you need someone to shoot the innings. But if you're a legitimate prospect, you are. throwing 80 to 90 pitches max in the minors, you were throwing 150 innings a year. When you get to the majors, how the heck are you supposed to throw 110 pitches?

Starting point is 00:31:59 How the heck are you supposed to throw 190 innings when you don't do it? And the argument is they don't want to waste the bullets in the minors. But it's a catch 22. You've got to do it to be able to handle it. Your body's got to be able to recover, but they don't want to waste the bullets. I think baseball is going to get away from the power pitcher in the next several years. number one with injuries and also we're seeing some success from guys that are just good pitchers. I mean, I remember Miles Michaels pitched against the A's pitch 17.

Starting point is 00:32:29 That was just- He didn't strike out one guy. If we did some kind of game of Miles Michaels. We did some kind of game. Give me five of them. Give me five. You want five miles. I'll show you a Colorado Rockies 41 and 121. Yes, exactly.

Starting point is 00:32:48 He is a terrible booty. I'm sorry. You can't put the toothpaste back in the two. He looked pretty darn good. Hitters are training for velocity now. Hitters are training to hit 100. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Kids are chasing velocity.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Scouts are looking for it. They're looking for you to throw 100 sliders. Like, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. They cannot go in their direction. You might have your Miles Michaels and whoever else, but that's a lot of it. not going away. I love how many times his name is mentioned on the show. If we had a, if we had a game where you take a sip every time Miles Michaelis was mentioned while you take another sip just then,

Starting point is 00:33:29 you'd be taking a lot of sips in the show. And I would not have expected that. He would be so proud right now. Put him in the conversation of carrying the torch. Carrying the torch, him and a boony. He's going to be a free agent. You guys can have them. We can't afford it. Oh, he'll great and sacrum, or the city doesn't exist. We don't have a city. Him in his 0.3 war this year. That's where we're going in today's squad show.

Starting point is 00:33:58 Miles Michaelis, that's a great ending. For J.D. Hafer and Lockdown Cardinals, Booney Lockdown A's, Justin Lada, Lockdown Guardians, myself, Jeff Gar, Lockdown Reds, and for Miles Michaelis, we'll talk to you guys soon. Beetle juice, beetle juice, feel juice.

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