Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Optimizing the October Roster + Mariners 'No Franchise Legends' Draft

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

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How deep can Colby and I get in our bag to draft the best Marrars roster without being able to take any of the franchise's biggest names? We'll find out coming up here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors. It is Thursday, August 28, 2025.

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You can check out our Patreon. All you have to do to check that out is click the link in the description of this episode. So on today's show, Colby and I are going to draft all-time. Mariners' rosters without being able to take any of the most prominent players in the franchise's history. We'll explain more later on when we kick off the draft. And you're probably thinking, you know, guys, isn't this an off-season idea? And to that, I say, shut up. We can do what we want.

But also, in all seriousness, there's no game tonight. And we're going to spend tomorrow's show getting you set for the upcoming road trip. So we wanted to do something fun today. but before we get into the draft we are going to talk a little bit about this current Mariners Ball Club and while we obviously don't want to get too ahead

of ourselves on this Colby I know that you do have some thoughts on how the Marers can put together their playoff roster specifically in regards to guys like Harry Ford so floor is yours yeah maybe not so much as

thoughts more of like questions as we have approach the time where it's appropriate to start thinking about this. The Mariners are in good position to make the playoffs as for whether that's, you know, as the three seed or the six, I don't know. But they're in pretty good position right now. And it's something to think about, particularly when you don't have a game to talk about. And, you know, you kind of have this free show in the middle of the week.

Now it feels like a good time to kind of just check in. And there's some questions I have about, you know, how many pitchers do you carry? How many rotations members do you carry? You get a deeper bench as a result. So this is really thoughts about the potential wild card series. So assuming you're not one of the top two seeds, which they're not going to be, it's more than likely. You're going to play in that wild card round. And obviously, where you play matters.

and you may or may not be able to line things up however you want anyways. You might have to win a handful of those last five or six games to even get into the playoffs. So you might just have to use your guys. But if we assume that the Mariners can line up their rotation or whatever, however they want, and they can kind of make sure everybody's rested the way they want them to be rested. I think there's some interesting questions involved. For example, if you are the six seed, and, you know, or the five, doesn't really matter.

If you're on the road, if you're on the road and you are able to kind of line up your rotation, however, is there any reason for Luis Castillo to be on the roster? Because you only need three starters for a three game series. And if you're on the road, you're certainly not giving one of those starts to Luis Castillo, if you can help it. Again, you might not be able to. Sure. But does he really provide much for you out of the bullpen?

You think you can stick Castillo in the bullpen and his stuff is going to play up? Right now, Castillo can't throw a strike unless it's right down the middle of the plate. Like, that's not a guy you trust. He's been bad away from Team Mobile Park. He's been bad in his last three outings. He's got four or five more to kind of write the ship and we can have a different conversation about this. To your point to further your point a little bit as well, it's kind of a similar thing to what we talked about with Robbie Ray a few years ago.

you know, suddenly having a veteran who hasn't pitched out of the bullpen asking him to do that. And again, you have some of the strike throwing issues on top of that. That could easily go sideways. Again, Castillo, he could, you know, write the ship here. He's still got four or five starts. And it's only been three starts. And for the most part, he's been pretty good this year. But you kind of have to value what you've seen lately.

And as we sit here on August 28th, Luis Castillo shouldn't be anywhere near the mound in a playoff game. especially when it's only a three-game series. You don't need a four-man rotation until an LCS. You really don't. So it's kind of one of those things like, do you even carry him? Is there enough value there out of the bullpen to even carry him? Because you're probably going to carry Bryce Miller out of the bullpen.

There's some value to Miller stuff playing up in the bullpen. There's a decent chance Emerson Hancock is going to make your playoff roster, which gross, but that's what you get for not having another. reliever and adding one at the deadline. So like how many pitchers do you really need in a three game series before you can reset your roster again? 10, 11. How many did they have last time?

They had 12. I looked it up. Okay. They had 12, but they didn't carry their number five starter, Marco Gonzalez. Right now the way things are going, Castillo is your number five. So you can see here and talk about like, well, he's the veteran. You feel better about Miller pitching out of the bullpen than Cassio. Yeah, that's what I guess what it ultimately comes down to is.

like do you trust Castillo more than Taylor Sauceto or Jackson CoR or whoever's going to be that back end? Well, my question is. Of the roster reliever. But how many pitchers do I even need to carry? Right. I'm carrying three starters. Do I need eight guys in the bullpen? Like is there any scenario where I'm going to give Taylor Saucato or Jackson Coar or cases?

Well, odds are in a three game series, whether it's position players, whether it's, you know, whether it's a, or you're not going to use every single guy? No, but again, what's more valuable to me? This guy I'm never going to use in any kind of serious position or an extra pinch runner, some extra versatility. So I want to take a guy out of the lineup. I can do that even if I don't have like, like hypothetically, right? Let's say I want to take, we'll just go right to it.

Let's say we're facing a lefty, right? And Mitch Garber's D-Hing. while we chase the lefty and comes a really good righty, you don't want Mitch Garver taking that at bat, but he's your backup catcher. If you take him out of the game and then Cal gets hurt and can't continue, you're in a playoff spot without a catcher. So instead of carrying Sosato, who I'll never trust,

instead of carrying CoR, who I'll never trust, instead of asking Luis Castillo to pitch out of the bullpen for the first time in his career, who's pitching really poorly right now. And again, that might change in five weeks, but for now, instead of having those guys, why don't I just bring Harry Ford with me and I have a third catcher. So at the very least,

I feel comfortable pinch hitting Luke Rayley for Mitch Garber in the sixth inning. Because look, you know, if Cal gets hurt, I have Harry Ford. And I can at least have a real catcher back there. Where this year we've seen Dan Wilson refuse to take Garver out of the lineup when he's the DH,

even against tough righties, because he's terrified of not having that catcher if something happens to. cow by the way in their last playoff series the mariners carry three catchers so it's something to think about they have a they have the potential to carry six seven relievers and their three starters and have a you know a seven man bench a six man bench if they so choose and when you start looking at like well who are the seventh eighth relievers they might bring or or even the six seventh eighth relievers they might bring and you start talking about is gregory santos healthy

you know is Taylor Sos Sato is it Jackson Coar is it Casey Legamina like who do you trust out of that group in the playoff series the answer is none of them right you're never going to want to use that pitcher ever yeah the other thing though is that you know I think teams in general stockpile arms

especially you know now it's traditional extra innings rules so there's no gear you know because with the automatic runner you feel like all right we're probably not getting past the 12th at the most extreme but in the playoffs as we saw

as you saw first hand in person a game a game could go as deep as 18 innings yes the one in 5,000 shot that a game goes 18 innings which by the way the Mariners

carried 12 pitchers in that series and they still covered it and you just send out the next day starting pitcher blah blah blah like you work through it like you can't carry more than 13 but there's no reason to carry 13 there really isn't because

you know right now again you carry 13 in the regular season because you have five starters. You probably shouldn't be carrying 13 right now. If we're being honest, you don't have eight good relievers. So why not take advantage and have that extra bat? But there's no limit to the number of pitchers you can have in terms of the negative or on the downside. You can't have more than 13, but you can have 11 pitchers if you want. You can have 10 pitchers if you want.

And when I look, there's not 10 guys in this organization right now that I trust to give playoff endings too. And pretty much every inning in the playoffs is high leverage when you really think about it. Some are higher leverage than others, obviously, but you only get a couple opportunities to advance in the playoffs. So every inning, every out counts. And so when I look at this, I go, look, is there any reason to carry Luis Castillo? Is there any reason to carry more than, you know, the five guys that we talked about yesterday in the pen plus a Bryce Miller, plus, you know, maybe a Castillo, just in case you want some extra length there or plus,

you know, is there really a reason to carry more than 10 pitchers in a three-game series when you're going to reset the rosters after, you know, after the, yeah. So there really isn't any reason to have more than 10 or 11. You want to go 11 to be safe. Fine, 12 is kind of overkill. Because again, I can use those extra spots. You know what this team really needs? They need a late game base running threat.

Samad Taylor He probably carries more value to me in the playoffs than Taylor Sosato would or Jackson Co. R. And honestly, probably he carries more value, him or Leo Rivas or whatever, right? They probably carry more value to me than Luis Castillo is likely to

unless the game goes 15 innings, like you said. So again, this can completely change and it probably will because the odds that the Mariners are going to be able to just rest Kirby, Gilbert, and Wu, and just have them ready for a three

game series, pretty slim. And so you might just have to throw Castillo in game one. You might not have a choice. But again, I don't think Castillo should be a lock for this for this first round playoff roster. If you can line up, you're pitching how you want. I don't think you need to carry him in the bullpen. I think that's kind of a wasted roster spot.

I think you need to seriously consider carrying Harry Ford because of the way that Dan likes to maneuver his DH when Garber's in there. He doesn't want to take him out of the game. And yeah, it's terrifying to have Harry Ford or rookie be the catcher. But A, that only happens if Cal gets hurt. And B, it's even more terrifying to have, you know, runners on second and third with one out facing Brian O'Brien of Preyue. And you don't feel like you can go to Dominic Canzone or Luke Rayleigh off the bench because,

oh, no, what if Cal Raleigh takes a foul tip and breaks his hand in the next inning? Like, you have to take advantage of those situations when they come because you might not get another one. So I think Harry Ford, they really need to. to consider having him on the playoff roster. And if they're going to do that, they probably should get his feet wet in the regular season before they just fling him onto the playoff roster. Yeah. I think they need to carry three catchers. I think they should carry three catchers.

And sorry, you can't convince me that Blake Hunt is a better option to carry on a playoff roster than Harry Ford. So I think Ford should be on the playoff roster. I don't know that Castillo should be. Again, depends on how everything winds up after the last three or four games of the regular season. So one thing to keep in mind here is that the deadline for postseason eligibility is at 11.59 p.m. Eastern time on August 31st, which is what Sunday? Yep. So if they're going to add Harry Ford to the roster, they might have to make a decision on that here in the next couple of days and add him to the 40 man. There are exceptions that can be made, but it's a little complicated. Typically, the petitions that you have to send in.

to Major League Baseball to have a player added who wasn't on the 40-man roster before August 31st. Typically, those do get approved, but just because there is some gray area there and there is some complications with that, just to be safe, I would say that they would need to add Harry now before August 31st. And anyone else as well, like, you know, Michael Fulmer, who they just picked up if they want to, you know, test him out. And if he, you know, looks decent enough for him or for them to consider him for the postseason Rosser they probably want to add him before September as well.

Yeah, not to mention, you're going to add Harry Ford to the 40 man this winter anyways. He's Rule 5 eligible. You have plenty of other levers you can pull. Like you have six, seven guys. You can easily DFA right now to add him to the 40 man. So just because you add him to the 40 man doesn't mean he accrue service time or doesn't mean you have to call them up. So there's really no reason for them not to.

So yeah, a lot to think about and a lot to consider here. And we might see the mayor's tip their hand on a couple things. here in the next few days. So keep an eye out. All right, we are going to switch gears here and do our all-time Mariners draft with a twist in just a moment. But first, a reminder, this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Upside. Are you still paying full price for gas? Stop leaving money behind.

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So it's almost football season, which means fantasy football, which Colby and I both love. And so in honor of that, we're going to do a little fantasy draft of our own today, an all-time Mariners draft. But instead of the boring, I'm taking Griffey, I'm taking each row back and forth that we can do. We are going to take the biggest names and the franchise's history off the board to force us to go a little bit deeper into our bag. Colby, lay out the parameters for us. Yeah, it's pretty simple. We'll be going position by position.

We'll start with catcher. I had the first pick. Ty will get the second pick of catchers, and then he'll get the first pick of first baseman, and then I'll get the first pick a second. So you get back-to-back picks. We actually didn't even decide who's picking first. But, yeah, so that way it's fair.

We're going to draft. Heads or tails. Tails. Hey, Siri, flip a coin. Hey, Siri, flip a coin. Cool, Siri doesn't want to work with me. Great. This is awesome.

This is awesome. This is great stuff. Thanks, Siri. Hey, Siri, flip a coin. Nope. It's just not going to do it. All right. We're going to flip a coin on Google.

Anyway, anyways, while you do that. So, yeah, we're just going to go by position so that it's fair and it's uniform and it's easy for you guys to track. Ty and I will also be able. It's tails, by the way. You won. Okay. It doesn't really help me.

I don't know if it's. good to win or not. But yeah, yeah, so we're going to go position by position so that it's fair. And Ty and I will be able to challenge each other. Like if we think that like, hey, that guy's a little too, you know, popular or whatever, fine. I mean, the general rule is no Mariners Hall of Famers, no, like, definitely should be Mariner Hall of Famers, no Major League Baseball Hall of Famers. So you're not going to get tricky and sneak Adrian Beltray into this as Ty crosses

them off his list. But it's just kind of a fun way to be like, hey, remember this guy? And yeah, he was actually really good. And so it's kind of an underrated team, but not, doesn't have to be that. So just for fun, it really is just a time killer and something that we can do late in the season when the Mariners don't have a game to play. And we could just talk about some older players. So I mean, well, older for us, you guys, like, I don't know how many guys from the 80s, Ty has on his list, but I'm going to guess not a lot because I know I don't have a lot. Sure. Sure. All right. Well, you get the first pick here. Who's your catcher? So I think I'm okay here. I don't think you're going to challenge this. I'm going to go with Kenji Jojima.

Okay. Remember Kenji? I had a couple really good seasons, 20 home run power as a catcher, pretty decent defender behind the dish. It was a short time in Seattle, but he was a really solid player. And he's kind of one of the more underrated Japanese-born position players who's ever come. over. Like it's weird that we don't talk about that guy, uh, nearly as much. He was a good player for the Mariners and, uh, he had a couple really solid seasons. And I feel like we as a collective group kind of forget about him a little bit, but he rock solid player, rock solid catcher for a couple of years. And again, 25 home run power. Good player. All right. So from my catcher, I'm going to go Tom Murphy. Okay. One of the more underrated catchers, uh, and underrated players, in the rebuild into the contention window period of this current Mariners regime. Just unfortunately couldn't stay healthy,

but had a couple of years where he really hit the hell out of the ball. He was pretty good defensively until the injuries just became too much for him to bear. So yeah, Tom Murphy. That's my catcher. Yeah, Murphy was my backup in case you struck. My number two was Mike Zanino. And I was like, I don't, Ty might challenge that one. So Murphy was my emergency.

So I like that pick. First base should be pretty obvious who I'm going with. Can you guess? Is it Thai France? It's a Russell the Muscle. Oh, okay. Interesting. Okay.

Go on Russell Branion, who was awesome in his two stents with the Mariners. Sure. Super out of road, dude. I thought maybe you'd save him for DH, but okay. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm going Russell the muscle. So are you going, Ty France? I am not. Ty France is nowhere on my list, unfortunately.

Sorry, Ty. All right. I think you might challenge this one, but I'll throw it out there. I have got there. So I'm ready to go. John Olerud. Yeah. I mean, dude was a borderline Hall of Famer.

So, let me hear your backup. Let me hear your backup. Richie Sexton. And I'll let you have, Richie is better for this. Okay. I'll do Richie. That's fine. Richie Sexton is,

uh, was really good hitter. Like I, I know that it didn't end well here, but his first, what, two years, he was great.

Like, that's a free agent signing that absolutely worked. Yeah, it ended poorly, but who cares? You got two years of great production from him and he was 35 home runs and big sexy. I mean,

that's a great nickname. Uh, the original big sexy. Uh, so yeah, Richie Sexton, man, he was underrated hitter here.

Again, yeah, he struck out a little bit. Yeah, It didn't end well. But the two years that he was here, he was very, very good. And I feel like people just remember the end, like in times, Richie Sexton, which wasn't good.

But those first two seasons, that was one of the Mariners' best, you know, offseason acquisitions ever, which says a lot more about their lack of offseason activity than anything else. But Richie Sexton was really good. If you guys don't believe me, go look up the numbers. Like Richie Sexton had a very nice start to his mariner career. Yeah. All right. Who's your second baseman?

I'm going to throw these guys out there so you can tell me they're eligible or not because I feel like if one of them is, the other one is, is Robinson Canoe or Brett Boone eligible for this? Or are they too close to? No. Okay. Then I'm going to go.

If we're not going to make John Allerud eligible for this, then we're not making Robinson Cano. I might have some more questions down the line then, but we'll figure that out. All right. So who did you say? I said Mark McCormor. Okay.

I like it. Yes. Just completely. play everywhere, steals a ton of bags, makes contact, gets on base. Not going to hit a lot of power, but you trust. He's just solid, just a solid player. Probably the best utility guy in Mariners history. Dylan Moore might be second on that list, by the way.

But we don't have a utility spot today. Second base is kind of thin once you take out Canoe and Brett Boone. I didn't want to go Harold Reynolds because honestly, I just never saw Harold Reynolds play. So it feels a little disingenuous. So I'm going to go Mark McElmore. Well, this might come as a surprise, but there aren't many great options here at second base for the Seattle Marys, especially once you eliminate guys like Robinson. You know, Brett Bood from the list. I'm going to go Jose Lopez.

Oh, okay. I like it. Yeah. Made an all-star team one year. Yeah. Had just a, you know, a solid career. It was never like a great hitter or anything like that. But it just couldn't be old, but he could have 20 home runs.

Yeah. But he he hatched out a pretty solid career in Seattle. I mean, he was here for, God, seven years, six years, something like that. So, yeah, I'll go Jose Lopez here. Did you give any thought to Joey Cora? Because he was my back. Yeah, but, like, I didn't really watch Joey Cora play. You know, I'm 29 years old.

So. Oh, well, I mean, there's a few guys here that didn't watch play, but I know that they were, like, really good. Yeah. But, I mean, there's not a lot of good options at second place. It's the same thing as Harold Reynolds. You know, I just didn't really see Harold. Reynolds play so yeah i'm more so going to go with the guys that i'm familiar with that i watch right if it was just strictly underrated like alvin davis would have been the first first baseman we

thought of but he's a mariner hall of famer so he's not eligible but alvin davis in terms of like greats of the franchise is somehow underrated especially by you know people our age who didn't really watch and play dude was a really good hitter but again he's a mariner hall of famer so guys like that aren't eligible so we do have guys who we didn't see play or at least i do have a couple of them but I know their numbers were good. I know that in those lean years in the 80s, they were some of the bright spots. It's just they're not going to be super well represented here on a list done by a couple of people who didn't start watching baseball until like the 2000s. So yeah, yeah, keep that in mind. So are we going in the proper order here? Like is third

base next? I have third base next. Yeah. Okay. I'm taking Gino. Okay. That's interesting. Good vibes only, baby. I feel like I could challenge that. But also, it's two and a half years. So like, he's also never made an all-star team with the club. I know he's a fan favorite. He is. I feel like it's still a little bit different than like Boone and Ola Rood. I don't know because Boone was only good here for like three years too.

So is Olerud, but I'll give it to you. Like, I'm not going to say no to Gino. Yeah. The good Gino, you say it, Ty. The best Gino in the history of Seattle sports. I mean, yes. But that doesn't mean anything about the other Gino. That doesn't mean anything about the other Gino.

No, I suppose technically we didn't say no current Mariners, but we probably should have. But whatever, you can have it. Whatever. All right. Who's your third baseman? Mike Blowers. Okay. Yeah.

That's what I was going with. If you blocked my Gino pick. Yeah. Blowers underrated career, obviously. kind of a fan favorite for a different reason than playing. I hope he's doing okay health-wise, but he was really good hitter for some of the best lineups we've ever seen. He got overshadowed by Tino and Edgar and Griffey and Jay and A-Rod eventually.

Dude was a really good hitter and nobody cared because he was like the fifth best hitter on a team. Blowers numbers like today, he'd be a multi-time all-stop. and probably an MVP, like top 10 MVP guy a couple of times. But fortunately, he played in the steroid era with, you know, a bunch of dudes in front of you who are like literal Hall of Famers. He just got overlooked, man. Sucks. But, yeah, Blowers had a really good career. All right.

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I don't know. What would you call this? Under the radar draft. Underappreciated, maybe? Sure. I mean, that makes my Gino pick a little weirder because Gino is definitely not underappreciated.

Call it what you want. No superstars, no Hall of Famers, no team hall of fenders. Basically, we just wanted to do a fun draft that didn't include, you know, Griffey, Felix, each or, etc. We need to save those type of drafts for the inevitable lockout of 2026. So this one's a little bit. We also might rehash this one as well. We might have to.

That's going to be rough. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So your shortstop pick. Yeah, a couple ways I could go here. I feel like I know who the right answer is, but I'm going to go. I mean, not a baseball hall of famer, not a mariner hall of famer.

underappreciated by very much underappreciated by fairer fans. Very much underappreciated by I felt like that didn't quite fit the spirit of the challenge. It doesn't. It doesn't.

But like technically I think I could pick him based on the layout I did. Yeah. Again, it doesn't really feel like in spirit. So I think the correct answer is this guy or the guy I'm not picking is the correct answer and I think you'll probably end up picking him. But personally, Carlos Kiann.

Okay. a really good shortstop for the Mariners. And I know that he really didn't break out until he left for Detroit. But it's a switch hitter, pretty good defender, had some good solid years for the Mariners in those early 2000s. I just feel like he's not really talked about all that much. He did what Cameron did, right? He came in after a legend, a superstar.

And he wasn't quite as good as Cameron. But he filled in admirably and he kind of helped ease that. And also, Gien was a big part of that Randy Johnson trade. So he had kind of a double whammy here. just like Mike Cameron. Not only was he replacing a superstar. He was in a trade that involved another superstar to get here in the first place. And I just thought he handled that really well.

So I think Carlos Gian is a guy that we don't give enough love to as a fan base. So I'm going to pick him here, even though I think there's a better answer. And I think you're probably about to take it. I'm going to go Brennan Ryan. Oh, okay. Who were you thinking? Gene Seguera. Yeah, yeah.

But I want to go. I want to show some love to Brennan, defense, baby. Yeah. And his time in Seattle, I think is looked on, looked upon not super fondly by most Marin's fans because he didn't hit, right? He just did not hit.

He was not a good offensive player at all. But he was so good defensively. And despite being basically utterly garbage at the plate, he was still able to put together a three-win season in Seattle by Fangraph standards. Like that is pretty incredible. That shows you just how good the glove was. So yeah, Brinam Ryan's my pick at shortstop. Yeah, Seguerra, probably the better pick overall.

But yeah, I like the Brennan Ryan. It's hard. So we can take whoever we want. I also had Brad Miller as an emergency just in case. Okay, I like it. You know how much I love Brad Miller back in the, well, maybe you don't because it might have been before we started working. But I was a big Brad Miller believer back in the day.

So here's the question. Are we doing three outfield spots? just outfield, outfield, outfield, outfield, right field. I broke it up personally. But I think you can put, you can take any outfielder as long as they could concede. Like, you can't stick a Russell Branion in centerfield, right? Like, you're going to put brand. I know you already took him, but if you're going to put brandy, you have to put him in left field or right field, that type of thing.

Right. I actually broke it up by like position. So would you block Raul Labanis? He's number one on my left field list. I think he's underrated by this fan base. So I think you can have them. Okay. I'm taking Raoul then. Raoul should be in the Marriss Hall of Fame.

All right. I'll go to a very underrated player, Mariners history. Randy Wynn. That was my next spec. That was my next fact. Yeah. Yeah. I knew that he was going to either be my center field or my left field. Yeah.

Randy Winn is just an incredible player. One of the more underrated players of the early 2000s, really. I just had an incredible career. He was great with Seattle. constantly overshadowed by each year old. A heart, I mean, hard not to be, especially in those early 2000s. But Randy Wynn was a difference maker. And if he had been around on that 2001 team, I think they win the World Series.

Like he was that big of a difference in left field. So Randy Wynn for me is one of the more underrated, underappreciated players. It wasn't a long time he was here. I think two years, maybe three. But man, he was very, very good. And just never really got the love he deserved from. Mariner fans, from Tampa fans, from Giants fans.

Dude was just underrated his entire career and just constantly overshadowed by, you know, bigger stars in his own outfield. So Randy Winn is definitely going to be on this team without question. You better not take my next book. I have to take him Randy from him. Well,

I don't know this is challengeable or not. Okay. Franklin Gutierrez. Never made an all-star team. I'll let you have it. Death-line things. Man, if he had just, if he could have just stayed healthy,

if, you know, his, was it, Ankyl lotus spondylitis or whatever, whatever that thing is that he had. If that had gone away, he, like, obviously he was elite with the glove. He had some really solid offensive seasons in there that kind of get overlooked because of how good he was defensively. But that dude might be the best defensive centerfielder I've ever seen. And, yeah, I watched Mike Cameron. You know, I'm watching Julio right. right now. I think Goody Ars is better than both of them. So you took Brennan Ryan for the

defense. I'm taking Goody for the defense because, man, it was so much fun to watch. All right. My next pick, to Oscar Hernandez. Oh, okay. Okay. To Oscar Hernandez. Yeah. Look, it was definitely not the season that we all wanted from him. And he really struggled to hit at Team Mobile Park. He was very good on the road, though. And overall, I mean, 26 bombs, 93 RBI, 258. 3.05, 435, 107 WRC plus 1.9F4. Pretty solid season. I enjoyed overall watching Teoska Hernandez in his one year as a mariner.

Yes, it was disappointing relative to expectations, but he still was a good player in his time as a mariner. He wasn't a great player, but he was a good player. And I think he fits perfectly for what this exercise is. So, Teo's my pick here. I don't know where I'm going with this next one, actually. I need to think for a second Just take Ryan Langerhands I'm taking Casper Wells

I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with the Condor Michael Saunders Another guy if you could just stay healthy Yeah but when he was He was fun He was fun good player Yeah Michael Saunders is my pick

I don't know if I might be missing some guys Who cares I love Michael Saunders in his time in Seattle. So he's my guy here. Sure. All right. So, uh, my last outfielder. I'm going to assume you're going to strike him. So I do have a good backup ready for you. Okay. Mitch Hanager. Future like. That one's tough. That one's really tough. It is. Because he's like on the borderline. I just, I feel like if we're going to allow Gino. Yeah. Who's your, uh, Who's your backup?

I just want to hear Jose Gien. Yeah. Who was basically Teoscar Hernandez in like 2009. Oh yeah, Mitch. It's fine. There we go.

Mitch Hanager should be in the team Hall of Fame. I don't care what you say. The next time we have Gary on, we're going to ask him about Hanager. We're going to ask him about JP and some of the more recent guys and whether or not they did enough to make the Mariners Hall of Fame. But Mitch Hanager wildly underrated.

it just unfortunately just could not stay healthy kind of like Goody a lot like Goody just could not stay healthy yeah all right who's your DH well I'm not going to push my luck because I think we would both if the other person tried to take Nelson Cruz we would both strike that right away right too beloved too too close so Edgar Martinez yeah yeah if you take Edgar I get Nelson but no that that's not with the spirit of the yeah of the actually This is probably where we should have taken Raul Lubayas. Yeah, well, I mean. But yeah, we were going to take them in an outfield spot so we could get out ahead of one another.

So my D.H is somebody I never watched play, but they are kind of iconic in Mariners lore. And they did put up surprisingly good numbers when I went and I looked. I'm going with Ken Phelps. All right. There is most famous for being traded for Jay Buehner. So famous in fact, they made it into Seinfeld, but Ken Phelps as a mariner hit 249, 392, 521 in five and a half years of the Mariners. Like, the dude was really good. I never got to see him play, unfortunately, but he could hit almost a 400 career on base.

I mean, and that's pre-Sero era. That's in the early 80s. So Ken Phelps, pretty easy answer for me because I can't have Nelson Cruz. and you know who my third option was my my backup it was russell brandian so maybe i would have just taken jose i'm going khen phelps oh boy where do i want to go with us i kind of want to just take a weirdo just for the sake of taking a weirdo you could i'm taking jose vidro and i'm specifically taking two thousand i'm specifically taking 2007 jose vidro to be clear because 2008

Yikes. 2008, yikes. 2007, Jose Vidro, though, 314, 381, 394. We'll ignore the slug. All right. Who's your pitcher? I'm taking Cliffley. Ooh, good one.

It was only 103 innings, but I'm taking Cliffley. It was so good. I feel like I could challenge that. But I'm not going to because you're not going to challenge my pick. Okay. Because he is arguably the most underrated Mariner in Mariner's history, not named Alex Rodriguez, who is underrated because we hate him, not because he was, he was, sure. It's Mark Langston.

Yeah. Like, Mark Langston isn't in the Mariners Hall of Fame. Go look at his career numbers with his team. It's laughable that he's not in the team Hall of Fame. I agree with Gary. It's time that they go back and they kind of, you know, honor those, those 80s teams, those 70s and 80s teams that just got, there's one representative in the team Hall of Fame from the pre-95 era, one.

It's Alvin Davis. That should change. Mark Lankson should be in there. I don't know about Harold Reynolds, but if you want to, fine, whatever. That's probably one of the few, like, Mariner Hall of Fame inductions I'm not going to, but, you know, if I happen to want to go to that game, maybe. But Mark Lankson is arguably the most underrated player in Mariners history. All right. You're reliever.

Actually, real quick. Why were you going to? Why were you going to strike Cliff Lee? Because he'd like one Cy Young's and he was not with the Mariters. All-Star and so what? He was here for half a year. I think that's a perfect representation. He was like the best pitcher in baseball for that half a year.

And then he went like he's a borderline Hall of Famer. Cliffly. Yeah, I mean, I didn't strike it. So whatever. Also on my list, Eric Hanson, Marco Gonzalez, Freddie Garcia. So, yeah, there's some good ones. Reliever,

I'm tempted to try and get away with Paul Seawald, but I think I'll go a little bit older. Kind of the first, I got to take my guy here. I'm taking Steve Sechek, horribly hated by Mariner fans, really, really good in Seattle.

Really good in Seattle. You took Jose Vedro. okay and you're calling me out for that pick true get out of here Steve Cishack and no like go look at the numbers guys Steve Cishak underrated by the mirrors you just all remember the one wild pitchy through

dude was really good for Seattle for about a year and a half yeah all right where do I want to go with this for really there's a bunch of ways I assume you would strike Jeff Nelson yes yeah

apparently but yes like Edwin Diaz you've been sure right yeah yeah not that I was not thought I was going to go there because that's boring that's boring Moonio spash I'd probably strike and as you can tell by my list I tried to be anything but boring

with my picks here um there's a few ways that I want to go about this you know what screw it Brandon League give me Brandon League 342 ERA 391 FIP in his first year with the M's

then a 279 ERA, 278 FIP, his second year with the EMS. That was the year that he was their closer, de facto closer. He had a really nice career in Seattle. Yeah. Anyway, some other names I consider J.J. Putz. Yeah, I would probably strike that. Yeah, I thought he was borderline, yeah. Paul Seewald also thought he was borderline.

Yeah, Charlton. Yeah. Steve Seishak Shigotosi Hasagawa Brandon League Jamesma Tom Will Helmson There's been quite a few fun

relievers but yeah I like those picks So there you go Our catchers for me Tom Murphy for you Kenji Jojima Our first baseman Russell Branion for me

Richie Sexton for you Second base Mark McLemore for you Jose Lopez for me Third base Ehuhani Oswaras for me Mike Blowers for you. Shortstop, Brennan for me,

Carlos Skihan for you. Our outfielders for me, Raul Labanias, Tay Oscar Hernandez, and Michael Saunders. For you, it's Randy Wend, Franklin Gutierrez,

and Mitch Hanager. D.Hs, Jose Vidro and Ken Phelps. Our starting pitchers, Cliff Lee for me and Mark Langston for you. And then our relievers. Brandon League for me and Steve Seashok for you. That's going to do it for our show.

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