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Episode Date: March 14, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss the Mariners' minor league signing of outfielder Steven Souza Jr., how the Twins are doing things the Mariners were expected to and their general thoughts about the restarted offseason as a whole.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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If you are interested, you want more of us. So the Mariners signed up. an outfielder to a minor league deal. We're going to tell you what you need to know about Stephen Sousa Jr. After that, why the twins are kind of scurring things up for the Mariners right now. And then our general thoughts on the first few days of this free agency restart, which hasn't really gotten going. If this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show.

If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this. We'd greatly appreciate it. So Stephen Sousa Jr., Everett, Washington. native former third round pick of the washington nationals he went over to the raise and the will myers three team trade uh and had a couple of good years uh in tampa particularly in 2017 when he hit three uh 239 351 459 with a 121 w rc plus he had 30 bombs that year but ever since then it's been kind of a rocky road for him he went to the diamondbacks in 2018 struggled there was with the cubs in 2020 struggled there was with the dodgers this past

season and hit 152, 222, 33 with a 51 WRC plus. But at the end of the day, Calby, this is a minor league signing and really our general rule of thumb for you and I is that no minor league signing is bad at the end of the day. No, it's literally impossible for it to be bad because if it doesn't work out, goodbye and you lose nothing. The deal as I remember it is that if he makes the big league roster, his base salary will be $1 million. It's literally nothing for Seattle.

And they bring back a right-handed guy, a right-handed hitter who does have some major league track record. He's a native of the Pacific Northwest. He's from Everett. So that's kind of cool. And yeah, you know, he's a pretty good athlete. like you mentioned the power. There's some tools there.

And he didn't play much at the big league level last year. He did play in AAA. And he was, as you might expect, he was quite good in AAA because he's still too good for that level at 32 years old. So, yeah, there's no such thing as a bad one-year deal. And that applies to Stevens, who's a junior, because it's a minor league deal. And if he never plays a game for the Mariners,

it's probably a good thing. But if he has to, the Mariners have a viable big league outfielder in AAA. Yeah. Which, you know, when you consider guys like Lewis and Kelnick and Hanager and the questions that surround those guys, injury and performance-wise, it's nice to have that safety blanket down in AAA. I thought it was interesting. I don't know if you saw this, but did you see any opt-outs, like cast me on the Major League roster by X day? because I did not.

I did not either. So that's, that would seem to imply that he didn't have much of a market and that, and that he is probably going to stick around most of the year unless, you know, another team wants to give him an opportunity and then I'm sure Seattle will oblige. But it's good depth. Yeah, yeah, it's depth at the end of the day. These are the kinds of moves that a team is going to make at this time of year in a normal, you know, in a normal.

setting. It just so happened to go down when everyone's kind of on the edge of their seat waiting for the Mariners to do something big while they're in, you know, rumors with, with Chris Bryant and what have you. So, you know, there was a little bit of a freak out on Twitter yesterday when the news happened, you know, we got a couple of deals happening here and there for some of the other teams, but none of the really big guys that the Mariners have been linked to have gone anywhere yet but still you know there were some comments about you know this isn't chris bryant where is chris brytriotan where is trevor's story what is jerry depoto doing he's fallen asleep colby is there any reason to be panicked right now about what the mariners are doing uh man the four

minutes before everybody realized what should have been obvious right away that this was a minor league deal um was four minutes of the best mariner twitter you could you could ever hope for I guess it's a good thing that people are really excited for the Mariners and that they want them to go and, you know, make these big splashing moves. But, you know, that's not always how it is. And these guys have value to your organization. So, yeah, that was a fun, fun little time period there where everybody was freaking out. Because apparently Stephen Sousa Jr. was their answer to not getting Chris Bryan, I guess. But no, I still wouldn't panic.

the market on on the bats hasn't really gotten going yet maybe that changes today it sounds like Sayas Suzuki is going to sign with the Padres 5 and 70 I believe are the terms for that

the Braves just gave up a boatload to get Matt Olson from the A's which obviously impacts the Mariners but not really a guy the mariners where we're going to go after anyways although apparently they did they did ask so yeah it's just one of those things you know brian's still out there

story's still out there most of the pitching that we talked about um you know still out there there are a few few arms that we like that are no longer available so that that does hurt but yeah it's not time to panic uh yet um i just i i do think that maybe it's time for mariner fans to start to maybe shift expectations away from like the big name guys and right now there's only like two or three of them left anyways. And maybe start looking at just good quality bats that fit the roster. So yeah, I wouldn't panic yet. But obviously, you know, obviously it's, you know, it's 20-22 and there's no such thing as patience.

So take a deep breath. We'll get moves. The Mariners are not going to go into the season as is. What those moves will be? I have no idea. So what's that to wait and see? So another thing that's causing some anxiety is what the twins are doing because it's kind of in line with what people were hoping the Mariners would do.

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And he's going deep on the MLB stars of tomorrow. It's free and available wherever you get podcasts just like us. So what in the world are the twins doing right now? Yesterday, just out of the blue, they traded for Sunny Gray, who we had heard was a topic of discussion for the Mariners and Reds before the lockout happened. I was personally told that there was a deal potentially lined up with them to get Sunny Gray to Seattle. But alas, he is going to Minnesota and return for Chase Petty, which is a pretty hefty

hall in the grand scheme of things. But after that, they traded Josh Donaldson to the Yankees, along with Isaiah Kinear for Leffa, who they also acquired recently in a trade with the Rangers where Mitch Garver went to Texas. And they got Gio Orshella and Gary Sanchez back in that deal. But most importantly, they. got rid of all $50 million of Josh Donaldson's money. The Yankees are taking all of it. So now it means they have $50 million over the next two years to play with in theory.

And they are now being linked to Trevor's story. So after taking one of the Mariners' potential trade targets and now seemingly going after one of their top free agent targets, someone that apparently the Mariners offered a contract north of $100 million to that he turned down because he didn't want to play three. third base apparently according to John Heyman which got to take that with a grain of salt there but yeah they are they're kind of doing what we had talked about the Mariners potentially doing and what a lot of Mariners fans have been hoping the Mariners would do kind of weird right yeah you know it's it's funny we started the off season talking about hey maybe the twins

are a team that fit what Seattle needs i mean Byron Buxton was apparently not close to an extension we talked about Donaldson quite a bit You know, Jorge Polanco was kind of the dream. And then they signed Bucson to an extension. And I think at that point, at least for me, it was pretty, it seemed like it was likely that Minnesota wasn't rebuilding despite trading Burrios. Because if you're rebuilding, you probably go ahead and trade Buxston and you don't give them $100 million. Obviously, now we know that's not the case. You don't acquire Sunny Gray and Gio Urchella and Gary Sanchez.

If you're rebuilding, you know, it's kind of interesting. At the end of the day, they traded Donaldson and Garber for Urchella and Sanchez. So they got worse on paper, but, you know, they also saved about, what, $40 million, dollars, give or take. And obviously that's going to be used for something. Some of that is going to go to Sunny Gray, but that still leaves a huge chunk of change. And yeah, I mean, obviously Trevor Story makes a tremendous amount of sense when, you know, they traded their shortstop that they had for 30 hours. So, yeah, I think it's a good thing.

But though, I think it's really interesting that Minnesota, which is a true mid-market team, they're not afraid to spend a little bit. Now, they're never going to have like the huge inflated salary payroll, but they're not afraid to spend some money. They did it on Donaldson. They've done it on Buxton. And, you know, they're probably going to end up doing it or try to do it on story. So, yeah, I think it's good for the game.

The fact that they're having an offseason that a lot of Mariner fans would have really wanted, I don't think it matters that much because I think there were some murmurings out there. from Jason Churchill at Prospect Insider, who kind of implied that the Mariners had moved off of Trevor's story as their primary target about six weeks ago. I don't know where he got that from, but that's what he was saying. But then again,

we have reports that the Mariners already made a $100 million-plus dollar offer to Trevor's story, and he said no, seemingly indicating that story really wants to stay at shortstop. And that's the case. He's not a fit, you know? So I don't really, I don't really care that much. I'm happy for the twins.

I like what they're doing. But in terms of how it really impacts the Mariners, I'm not sure that it does all that much. Just based on what we're hearing. Now, we don't have any inside information. Maybe they're still really aggressive on story. We just don't know. On top of the story interests,

they're also interested in a couple of other guys we've talked about for the Mariners, Shamania and Frankie Montes. So it just kind of continues and continues, right? And obviously, they're not going to impede the Mariners from getting all of these guys, right? But yeah, it's a little irritating that there's suddenly another contender for some of these names that you didn't really expect. And so I can understand that. at the end of the day though it's really up to jerry depoto and company to make it happen right they can certainly outbid the twins however way they want if they really want to look like you mentioned as well the the twins have something that the mariners don't and that's an opening that shortstop a very clear opening that shortstop so so with story this this doesn't really apply but in terms of just the rest of the trade market etc you know if if if you they lose out on any of these guys to Minnesota, the fault really falls on the front office.

For, you know, and that might not be necessarily a bad thing. It might just be the market, you know, is a little too expensive for their taste. But yeah, you know, it's just, it's really a matter of want, right, at the end of the day. Do they, you know, or do they want these players enough to spend what it's going to take, whether that's in prospect, or financial capital. So we're going to have to see. But overall, in general, just going back to our conversation earlier about, you know, kind of what the Mariners are doing right now, you know,

Brian DeVish and Daniel Kramer and some of these guys have reiterated this fact that, you know, they're more into, you know, something more long term and something a little more complicated to finalize. So it's going to take time. So I wouldn't really panic in terms of what they're doing right now. I think it honestly, maybe the. the silence signifies that there's something kind of big on the way. And probably something that we're not thinking is a real possibility.

It's just kind of how it goes, you know. And yeah, I still think that they're heavily involved in the Chris Bryant market. That obviously takes two to tango. And we don't know how interested Bryant is in Seattle. But I suspect they're still heavy in that market. But I kind of. I think they made their best offer to story. And maybe if the market comes back to them,

story re-enters their, you know, their plans. But for now, I don't think he is. And I think they moved on. And when you start talking about what, what can necessitate like a long kind of,

not delay, but kind of a, what's a long process to complete, you start talking about deals that include major leaguers, because you have to get physicals done. And these guys weren't, you know, around in the off season.

So they didn't even have to report until yesterday. So you started thinking about that and you kind of go, okay, well, what else could complicate things? And you say, well, money, money changing hands can complicate things. You know, opt-outs can complicate things in free agency. So I don't know, maybe it's Chris Bryant wants six years and the Mariners are offering him five in a, in a, you know, vesting option. And they're trying to work out the final details of that. maybe they're talking to the Cardinals about Nolan Aeronado and, you know, and Aeronados can opt out after this year.

Maybe they're trying to work around that. I don't, I don't know. We don't know. But yeah, deals are complicated. Trades are complicated, particularly when you're involving money and major leaguers. The deals can take a minute to come together. But we'll see. You know, it could just be nobody wants to sign yet because, you know,

Bryant's waiting to see what Freeman gets. You know what I mean? So there's a wide range of possibilities here that could be holding things up. Not the least of which is that, you know, again, it takes another, it takes two sides to come to a deal.

And if one side doesn't want to come to a deal with the other side at this time, I mean, what are you going to do? You just have to wait and be patient. So Seattle's going to do things and they're going to be significant things. It's just we don't have a good grasp of what they are.

And there's a pretty good chance it looks a lot different than we thought it was going to look three months ago, which, you know, front offices had three months just to talk to their own people. That's literally all they could do. You don't think that they reevaluated and relooked at some things. Yeah, you better believe they did. So I don't know. We'll see what happens. But I would not press the panic button yet. It's boring.

Sure. And I understand the frustration of it right now. but the only deal that's happened so far that I would have liked the Mariners to add, you know, done, gone out and done, was probably the gray deal. Oh, and the Bassett deal. One of those two deals would have been really nice, but, you know, you're not going to get everybody you want. So you live with it and you just move forward. Something's going to happen. It's just a matter of when.

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The reset of the free agency market and the offseason in general for baseball. Spring training is underway. Guys have reported it's past the mandatory report date now. Some guys are still not in camp because of visa issues because obviously they weren't able to communicate with their teams to get that hammered out over the last few months. But yeah, you know, things have. have happened a little bit here and there. There's been some sporadic deals sprinkled in over the last few days, but not a lot of consistent action.

We haven't really gotten a flurry of moves. The dam hasn't really broken just yet. There's been some minor deals for the most part, you know, minor major league deals, that is. And then there's been, you know, the sunny gray trade. There's been the Chris Bassett trade. There's obviously the big Matt Olson trade that happened today. You know, we'll see what happens for the rest of today and tomorrow.

Still a few days left until spring training games are actually played. But yeah, you know, we're starting to kind of already, you know, even though that spring training games haven't started yet, we're less than a month away from opening day. We're kind of already in the home stretch towards opening day. And, yeah, a lot of guys are still without a home. They're still without a team. Does that concern you for how guys might be able to get ready for the season, depending on how long this goes? Like, say, Chris Bryant doesn't sign for another three or four days.

Does that concern you at all? Or a pitcher? Yeah. Probably more so for the pitchers more so, right? Yeah, yeah. Most sitters will tell you they need about two weeks of regular at-bats to kind of adjust and get going. Obviously, for some guys, it's longer. if I remember correctly, Kyle Seeger was a traditionally slow starter.

Edgar used to go play in as many minor league games as he could because he needed more at bats he felt than the average person does. So it varies greatly with the hitters. But yeah, the real thing is going to be building up pitcher's arms. Yes, they've been throwing, they've been doing their bullpins. They've probably even thrown a few simulated games waiting for this thing to start. It's just different, man. It's different. We talk about it all the time when you talk about the NFL, right?

Well, there's in shape and then there's football shape. They're just different. So, yeah, it's going to be a slow buildup. You know, I kind of kicked around the idea that maybe the Mariners should go with a six-man rotation out of the gate. But it doesn't seem like they're too invested in even spending money on a number five starter, like a true number five. So I doubt they go do that for number six. So, yeah, it's a little bit concerning, particularly with. with the pitchers.

Hitters, not yet. But yeah, it's, it's probably, there's going to be some guys who struggle in the first month or two. And that's, you know, it's going to be tough if you're a Mariners fan because you can't really afford to have too many guys struggle for the first month or two because you got, you got to go, man. So it's just,

it's just one of those things that I believe that, you know, I think it'll be okay for the most part, but I think it's going to impact pitching more so than hitting. So I think the idea, you know, the biggest concern for me from the Mariners perspective is that they're already saying they're ruling out basically, signing that, you know, Michael Panetta type of guy. And that, that seems like a mistake to me.

But, yeah, I think that bats will be okay. It's the arms I'm more worried about. So just now, as we're recording, a report coming from Nick Groke or Groke, who covers the Rockies for the athletic says Rockies remain interested in Chris Bryant's sources have indicated to Ken Rosenthal and me and it seems they are not being shy about it.

You think this is just Scott Boris trying to drive up the price from the Mariners? Kind of. Or do you think the Rockies' interest is real? Because here's the thing. Why wouldn't the Rockies just be interested in retaining Trevor's story? Why did they trade Nolan Aronado?

There's just like the fit with Chris Brown and also it's like if Chris Bryant has hesitations about going to Seattle. Why would he want to go to Colorado? Yeah, you know, it's one of those, it's one of those things where you kind of look at it and you go, well, you know, Colorado, I guess, is, I mean, I don't even know if it's closer to Las Vegas

than some of the other teams. You know, Brian's from Las Vegas. So, I don't know. I don't know what Chris Bryant considers his home team when he grew up in Vegas, probably like the Dodgers or something like that. Yeah, it's kind of weird because if you're Chris Bryant, I mean, it's kind of like a Marcus Simeon situation where like the offer you get from them has to be so much higher than everybody else. Otherwise, it just doesn't make a ton of sense because they're going to be bad for a while.

And you kind of look at the other teams that are apparently interested in Bryant. Really, it seems like it's Seattle, Philly, and Colorado. There's obviously more that we don't know about. but it really does feel like those are the three teams that are getting mentioned the most. So I would assume Colorado is dead last in that grouping. But who knows? Maybe Chris Bryant just really does not want to be a Seattle Mariner. Okay.

I mean, that's definitely a possibility that you need to account for. But yeah, I think what's happening here, I think this is Colorado has shown interest. And they've made probably a pretty decent offer to Bryant. But Bryant doesn't want to play in Colorado. so Scott Boris is trying to leverage that into a better deal from either Philly or Seattle. So I think it's probably a little bit of both here, but I would be pretty surprised if Bryant ended up in Colorado. It just, I don't get it from his standpoint, signing on with the Rockies.

And I don't get it from Colorado's standpoint. No, Colorado should be rebuilding. Because like, let's say they signed Chris Bryant, right? What is Colorado going to do? win 74 games yeah whoopty do and it and it's not even like

it's not like that this amazing because I mean look at the ownership right the ownership has never shown really a willingness to to invest that heavily and in the team I mean that's why Nolan Aeronado got traded away for bulk that's why Trevor's story they're letting him just walk

you know and obviously they have a couple of pieces there that are that are decent with her Marquez, et cetera. But yeah, it's, I don't know. It's just, it's really weird. I don't get it. And there's just not a ton of upside there either for them to get a lot better. It's, it's a, like, at least the Rangers have a couple of good prospects, you know.

And like, they have shown a willingness to, you know, so, so that makes a little more sense for, like, Simeon and Seeger to go there than it is for Brian to go to Colorado. Sure. I just, I see the way that that, that organization has run if I'm Chris Bryant and I am running, I'm sprinting in the other direction. But hey, you know, maybe he, he wants to go there and get paid and hit a ton of home runs. He would, you know, that would do wonders probably for him just on a personal level. But if he actually, you know, wants to to win something, you know, if he wants to go to the playoffs, if he wants to maybe even compete for a World Series or what have you,

Philly and Seattle are the options there. And really the one place, like you said, the one place that I'm concerned about is Philly, right? His best friend, Bryce Harper, is there. Arguably, they have a better roster than the Mariners right now. I just, yeah, like, I could see that happening for sure. But I don't know, you know, Seattle's argument from, from this standpoint, you know, especially if they're trying to argue their case against the Rockies is,

look, our process is way better than what they got going down there. Way, way, way better. You can trust that we're going to still pay you a lot of money and we're going to put you in a position to be one of the faces of this franchise, one of the faces of this turnaround. And we're going to put you in a position

to actually compete for the postseason and hopefully World Series. You could be the, you could be the Theo Epstein of players. You're the curse breaker. You help the Cubs break their historic drought. Now come help the Mariners break theirs. I don't know if that's an actual selling point, but it is fun to point out.

Yeah, you know, it's just, we'll have to see. The one thing that we can't ever account for is how much a player has interest in your team. Because we know how much interest the Mariners have in, you know, a handful of players. But what we don't know is, Does Chris Bryant even considering Seattle at all or Seattle just, you know, a team that he's using as leverage? We don't know.

And we won't know. So it's a tough spot to be in when you're trying to break this down. But overall, I kind of, I feel like it's going to be Seattle or Philly. But, you know, baseball has a way of surprising you. And Scott Boris especially. So who knows, maybe it's Colorado. Maybe it's the Padres. I don't know.

right probably not oklin probably not going to be oakland but but who knows probably not going to be Tampa right probably not going to be Pittsburgh right but yeah so we'll see all right right real quick before we hop off here what's a move so far that's happened that you like and what's a move so far that's happened that you don't like um I like the by the way we now reports at Hayman from John Hammond saying the Rockies are aggressively pursuing Chris Bryant talks are quote at the ownership level don't know what that means but we'll see um deal that i like is probably i like the chris basset move um i like that move for the uh for the mts um i like the olson move uh for for both sides oakland got a hall but matt olson is a very good player uh deal

I don't like. We'll see what Seya Suzuki's final number is. Reports are 570, but they're also reports saying that he has not picked a team yet. So, I don't know, that's still up in the air, apparently. So, but that seems a bit aggressive.

So, yeah, so far, nothing that I've looked at and gone, eh. But, yeah, you know, there's been some fun of the world. Jordan Liles getting almost like $7 million. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that that's weird but it's Baltimore so who cares

yeah that was then again I think that happened before the lockout it just got announced after so yeah so I guess that doesn't really count no yeah I'm trying to think of anything that I didn't really like yeah yeah I don't know there isn't anything that's really

like mind boggling to me I don't know. If I'm Atlanta though I really want to want to know what happened with the Freddie Freeman situation why that didn't come together because for me after seeing the package that they gave up I'd just rather give Freddie Freeman the money

than trade all that for Matt Olson who I'm also going to have to pay in a couple years. Yep. Like that just yeah that one that one's weird like the Braves got better than they were yesterday so you can't

really fault them and it's not like they just let freddie freeman walk and now they're just going to try to patch work for space but man that is a lot and i know that matt olson is one of the best first baseman in the league but still that is a lot for a first baseman yeah we should stop letting the the braves pretend that they're a they're a mid-market team they're not stop treating them like they are they're in atlanta they're owned by cbs for credit Like, come on. Come on. Be better. Be better. So, yeah, I just, I think it's pretty foolish to, you know, just let your, you're basically

your captain walk and then trade a enormous package for a guy who's at best a little bit better. But I guess then the thing is you don't have to pay that guy. So, yeah, it's, it's pure money saving move. And once again, it's owners valuing money over prospects. Not that surprising. all right so that is going to do it for our show thank you so much for joining us here on locked on mariners for colby padnode i'm tidan gonzalez be sure to give us a follower on twitter at l o underscore mariners you can follow me at dan gnzlz and colby at c pat 11 that's cpat 1-1 you can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode and thank you again for making us your first listen of the day just like you do here every day now make your second listen of the day locked on m l be where Paul Francis Sullivan and please call him Sully brings you his unique perspective on the major leagues president pass. It's free wherever you get your podcast just like us.

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