Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Plenty of Blame to Go Around as Seattle Mariners Lose Again

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode recap the Mariners' 12-6 loss to the Red Sox, revisit the trade markets for Luis Castillo, Tyler Mahle and Frankie Montas and preview tonight's matchup between... Robbie Ray and Michael Wacha.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Trevor's story put the Red Sox on his back last night. And I mean, we warned you. We're talking about last night's game. We're talking to tonight's game. And we're also going to look at some trade candidates on the pitching front. Thanks for tuning in to the Locked On Mariners podcast. Colby hit it. You are Locked on Mariners.
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Starting point is 00:01:40 We're also going to get into tonight's matchup between the Red Sox and Mariners game two of four, Robbie Ray versus Michael Walker. And we're also going to look at some trade candidates, particularly starting pitchers that might be available right now or at least soon in the foreseeable future. Because, I mean, frankly, you know, after watching last night's game with George Kirby, not that Kirby has done anything wrong, but if you're probably, you know, if you're, if you're trying to compete for the postseason, you might want to try and do better, frankly. So we're going to be looking at that later on in the show.
Starting point is 00:02:17 But let's get into last night's game. The Mariners lose 12 to 6 to the Red Sox at Fenway Park. They jumped out to a 4-0 lead, believe it or not. And they knocked Rich Hill out of this game pretty early. then Tanner Hout came in through four scoreless. Just absolutely shoved. The Mariners were unable to do anything against them. The Mariners, however, had more hard-hit balls in this game than the Red Sox.
Starting point is 00:02:40 16 to 15 was a tally on that front. But they just couldn't get anything really going there. Only scored two more runs after their four run. Start to this game. And that's pretty much the story there. Trevor Story, of course, hits three home runs, drives in seven. of the Red Sox 12 runs in this game, just as you and I, unfortunately, predicted.
Starting point is 00:03:07 You know, of course, story being a top target for the Mariners this off-season and free agency, ended up going to the Red Sox. But that, of course, started a dialogue on Mariners' Twitter about, you know, they should have signed story, et cetera. No. Story leading up to last night has been,
Starting point is 00:03:28 putrid for the Red Sox, you know, relative to his contract, that is, right? But that one big game, it shows you how early it is still in the season, that one game took his WRC Plus from 80 to 112. One game. One game. Incredible. So I don't know where you want to begin with this.
Starting point is 00:03:51 There was a lot of frustrating stuff in this game. Definitely not Scott Service's best game. Managing the bullpen. There was obviously that big. mistake, really confusing thing that happened there where they, he was going to try to get Kirby out of the game. Something happened there, which, you know, they, they couldn't get to Romo there. Obviously, the doors kind of got blown off there after that and it just kind of all fell apart. So do you have a better understanding of what happened in that scenario?
Starting point is 00:04:25 Because I'm still a little confused as to what happened there. Yeah. So essentially what happened is Sergio Romo wasn't quite ready to go. And I guess Scott's genius idea was to just say, oh, well, we'll just have Kirby, go out there, throws more of my pitches, and then we'll essentially take him out of the game and then put in Romo before he throws the next pitch in a game. And if he apparently asked the home plate umpire, if he could do that, the only played umpire said, yeah, it's not a problem. So he did it. You know, he went out to make the pitching change, and the rest of the umpires informed him that, no, he can't do that. You have to make the pitching change before the batter is announced or whatever. You can only substitute pitcher at the beginning of an app bat to start an inning if a pinch hitter has been announced.
Starting point is 00:05:18 So basically, the home plate umpire was wrong. He was overruled by the other three umpires, and therefore Kirby had to throw at least one pitch to the next hitter before they could go to Romo. And instead of, you know, Kirby literally bouncing it up to home plate or throwing into the backstop or whatever, he threw a strike and it was hit for a double. And that ended up being a big run and a big turning point in the game. So essentially it was Scott trying to stall for time to give Sergio Romo a few extra warm-up tosses and it just threw everything out of whack.
Starting point is 00:05:57 and it unfortunately that one run also goes against the ledger of George Kirby so uh as to the double in the hard hit ball and all that stuff and so yeah it's it's a little unfair to George uh his line was a little bit better than than we think it was but uh yeah just a blunder by Scott um and I suppose the home plate umpire for telling him that that was a legal thing to do yeah and also I mean like if you're Scott you know you mentioned it there why don't you just go out there tell Kirby like hey I'm pulling you just throw an intentional ball here let's make it 1-0 and let's just go to Romo and you know unfortunately he's going to be down 1-0 to to start the at bat but that's what you got to do I just yeah if you don't have the confidence
Starting point is 00:06:44 in Kirby to go further there um why let that right out that's just uh yeah I don't know I feel like I feel like there should have yeah I feel like there should have been some communication there between service and and or even people would worth via service um you know to to kirby but um yeah uh just frustrating uh and then going to white mills for the second time this week in a two run game um with runners on the corners uh just mind still a winnable game yep yeah still a winnable game did that did that in toronto when it was three one on uh what was it monday and uh you know it ended becoming 5-1. Mills walks the first two batters he faces and then hits the next guy and finally gets pulled,
Starting point is 00:07:33 but not before the Red Sox scored two more runs. And yeah, like I said, it's just an incredibly frustrating game from top to bottom, especially with how well it started because Kirby looked really good in the first inning. He was using the slider really well, setting up the fastball really well. And yeah, like the strikeout that he had against Boger. It was really impressive. And then, you know, the Mariners came out swinging. They scored four.
Starting point is 00:08:01 The Red Sox on the fourth run that the Mariners scored looked utterly confused defensively. It was a absolute mess. And then, you know, and I felt pretty good about it. I was like, okay, all right. You know, the Red Sox, they kind of look like a 15 and 23 team. All right. This is good. It was good for the Mariners.
Starting point is 00:08:18 And the Mariners are actually getting the job done right now. And then nope. And I told you, as soon as Tanner Hal came in, I was like, yeah, the Mariners, getting shut out the rest of the way here and uh sure enough sure enough uh four four scoreless endings for halk yeah um you know the mayor's put some some hard contact on him but only one hit uh through four he was he was good and then yeah the baroners we talked about this before they you know their lineup's not very deep so they're only going to get one or two really good opportunities to score in a game um and to their credit they took advantage
Starting point is 00:08:55 of one in the second inning. Unfortunately, they were unable to take advantage of really their only other one in the eighth inning, thanks in large part to He Who Shall Not Be Named on this podcast any longer. So yeah, it was, it's just one of those things, man. You have to take advantage of those opportunities to score multiple runs when you can. And the Mariners were able to do it in the second, but they weren't able to do it in the eighth. And they said if you're only going to get two of those opportunities a game because your lineup
Starting point is 00:09:25 I'm so shallow right now, you have to cash it in both times, particularly in Boston. And they just, they couldn't, I mean, it's crazy to think that the Mariners had the tying run at the play in the eighth inning of this game with one out. But they did. And, you know, the worst baseball player I've ever seen play for the Mariners, couldn't get it done. Surprise, I know. And the next, unfortunately, Frasier couldn't get it done either. So it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:09:54 but hey, you know, I guess you're looking for any kind of silver lining. 11 runs the last two games. That's something. Julio went yard again. Yeah, that was fun. Julio was up to 270. Yeah, he had another three hit game for him. He's, yeah, he's starting to really kick it into eye gear now.
Starting point is 00:10:16 He's looking good. It's looking good. Yeah. Suarez had another good game. It's kind of two in a row for him. Yeah, Suarez has had a sneaky, not necessarily good, but like decent road trip so far, which is a hell is a lot better than his last road trip. It is. So, yeah, Suarez actually had four hard hit balls last night.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Terenz had two. He got a base hit. Abraham Toro had two. He got a base it. He was one for three and he walked. Demo hit the home run. That was funny. That was hell, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:54 I knew it was going to happen. As soon as he made contact with it, I knew it was gone, and then I immediately thought of you. Yeah, I had that effect on people. Yeah, I was watching.
Starting point is 00:11:07 I stream the games, so I'm always like a pitch or two behind. But last night, for some reason, I was three or four pitches behind. So, yeah, I sent out the tweet,
Starting point is 00:11:16 like, this feels like a night where Demo just, like, destroys my, my narrative or whatever, whatever it was. And then,
Starting point is 00:11:24 like, literally like the next two pitches come and then I get buzzing on my phone and I'm like, uh-oh. Oh, boy. So something's happening here and then boom. So yeah, it was like, yep. Okay. I accept that.
Starting point is 00:11:40 I'm fine. I'm fine with that. If, if DEMO wants to prove me wrong, that would be great because the Mariners should could use another bat. So that being said, he's still hitting a buck 82. So,
Starting point is 00:11:51 you know, whatever. Yeah. I'll say this. I'd much rather have him in Wrightfield than certain someone else. And he's doing that tonight. He's in the lineup.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Good, good. All right. Well, let's move on to the starting pitching and talk about some potential trade candidates. Basically, guys that we talked about during the offseason, revisiting those and seeing if maybe they're available and what it would cost and all that good stuff. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners
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Starting point is 00:13:38 But again, if you are looking to compete for something more, if you're looking to turn this thing around and try and compete for the postseason, which is still very much plausible, even with how poor this season has started, I would assume that the Mariners are looking to get better on that front because they were before the season started. It just the market really didn't fall their way. It was too expensive for their taste. And some of the cost of acquisitions that we heard, I don't blame them,
Starting point is 00:14:09 considering what we were told about guys like Frankie Montes. We will talk about Montes a little bit here in a moment. But yeah, I would think that the Mariners need to, and probably want to still get better in the rotation. So let's look at some of these names. Nothing has really changed since the off season on this front. It's still pretty much the same names that we talked about, the guys from the Reds, the guys from the A's,
Starting point is 00:14:37 particularly Tyler Malley, Luis Castillo from the Reds, Frankie Montes from the A's. Let's start with Malley, because this is an interesting conversation to have here. And this is not a commentary on the morality of, you know, getting the vaccine or whatever. But he is on the restricted list. The Reds are visiting Toronto. He is not vaccinated.
Starting point is 00:14:58 And the reason this is key is because Robbie Ray is also not vaccinated. So, you know, just looking down the line, if you were to get into a playoff series in Toronto where you had to visit Toronto, I mean, that's a pretty big risk if both of your pitchers are not going to be available come that time. And obviously that is a very specific scenario that you would be planning ahead for. Does that take him off of your list for you? Because you also got to take into account here that you'll have to give up something nice for him as well. That's not going to lower his trade costs, really. So, yeah, taking into account that you're not going to have Ray for those games,
Starting point is 00:15:40 if those games ever occur, of course. would you also be willing to add Malley to that mix, knowing that he would also be unavailable, unless something changes, of course. Right. It doesn't seem like it's going to either. Yeah, it's a really tough needle to thread because, like you said, one thing to keep in mind is particularly the Wild Card series. The new way they do it this year is that the team with the better record, the higher seed,
Starting point is 00:16:10 they get to host all three games. So if you have Ray and Malley, in this hypothetical, you have Ray and Malley as you're one and two, you have to try and beat the Blue Jays two out of three times where they're using their three best guys and you're using your three, four, and five. It's really tough.
Starting point is 00:16:32 There's some upside to it. If you can get past it, then you know, you're in good shape. You can kind of stack it up in the next round how you like it. But yeah, it's really tough. And again, it's still going to cost you quite a bit in trade return. And I mean, if you're training for a guy like Malley, you're doing it because he helps you get. Not only does he help you get to the postseason.
Starting point is 00:16:56 In theory, you want that guy to help you in the postseason. I mean, that's why you acquire guys, right? Not just to get there, but to help you get further. Mallee is a good pitcher. Don't get me wrong, but it just feels like with Ray already kind of on the, shelf and then in in that scenario and then you have the cost you have to give up to get mallee it's really tough and i know you get mallee for two years but you're only going to get it for one playoff year uh in in theory at least you know it's like i understand the idea that like well
Starting point is 00:17:30 it's a really small like possibility like it's not like what's most likely to happen but it's still one that exists and if I'm giving up you know Levi Stout and Zach Deloach and Edwin Arroyo or whatever for you know a year and a half of Mali and I'm not going and there's a possibility
Starting point is 00:17:52 I'm not going to get to use him in a playoff series that's tough pill to swallow yeah because like think about it like this if that were the case you'd be going into Toronto with Logan Gilbert Chris Flexen and Marco Gonzalez,
Starting point is 00:18:09 which I mean, yeah, there's a chance you could get by with that, but that's not ideal. Those are not your top, you know, your top two starters are not in that group. And that's,
Starting point is 00:18:22 I mean, you'll. Sure, yeah. You get the idea, though. The point of trading for Malley is that in a five game series
Starting point is 00:18:29 or a seven game series, Robbie Ray, Logan, Gilbert, and a tire of the mallee would each get the ball twice. Yeah. You have to get to that seven,
Starting point is 00:18:38 game series before that comes to the play. And the odds of you doing that without being able to use Ray or Malley, that'd be tough. It gets a lineup like the Blue Jays as well. It's just, yeah. It's very tough because it is like a very specific scenario. Yeah. That is almost assuredly not going to happen. But it's not like it's, you know, 0.5% chance.
Starting point is 00:19:02 It's bigger than that. But it's a tough call. Well, and also the odds are, you know, if you do make the playoffs, and even if you don't meet them in the wildcard round there's pretty decent chance that you're going to see them at some point in the postseason and again that's getting really ahead of ourselves but these are things that you have to think about you do have to think about that and it just you know it sucks
Starting point is 00:19:25 you know and I'm sure a lot of people feel a lot of things about this situation but you know at at the end of the day that's just that's what the reality is that's something that you have to account for just when when build building your roster right now as an American League team. There is that possibility looming that you might not have that guy available. And so, yeah, so that's something that you have to take into account here,
Starting point is 00:19:51 especially if you're going to spend a pretty decent amount of capital on acquiring that player. Right. It's also something that the Mariners are going to take into account. Whether you want them to or not, they are going to. I can promise you that. I'm not saying it's at the top of their list, but it is a factor they will discuss. Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Because, you know, at the time that they signed Ray, it wasn't known that you were going to have to be fully vaccinated to come play in Toronto. That happened after the lockout occurred. So, you know, their stance kind of changed apparently on that. And that became a pretty big part of their negotiations with free agents. And at least as far as I was told, that was a pretty big part of their negotiations with Trevor's story, which is pretty relevant right now. And so. Also. Michael Conforto, I believe there was some whispers about that type of issue.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Not necessarily with the Mariners, but in general. Yeah. Yep, it's something they have to keep in mind. They have to because they're in the American League. Yeah. So let's talk about Malley's teammate here, Luis Castillo. What's your feelings on Castillo's market right now and the viability of trading for him? Yeah, well, keep in mind, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:08 I don't have any inside information here. But, yeah, he's an interesting guy because he's not pitching well right now. Granted, he's been hurt. He's only made two starts. But also, at the same token, he's already been hurt. You see how that's an issue? We're trying to figure out if you want to trade for him. So, yeah, it's an interesting thing here.
Starting point is 00:21:35 I think when you look at Castillo, I think a lot of people think, like, oh, he's a the number one. He's an ace. Never really has been. I mean, he's pretty close in 2020, but that was over 12 starts. I mean, Marco was elite over 12 starts. And yet we don't think of him as his 2020 self. That's not what we judge him on. And that's kind of the same for Castillo. Castillo has been durable, minus this year. He's already missed some time. He's been good. He's a very good pitcher. Is he a number one? No. Is he at number two? I would say he's a strong three.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Yeah. But number two might be a bit much. His walks are okay, but slightly elevated. He's a good pitcher. Am I willing to give up any of my, like, top elite prospects for him? No, I'm not. And so that's kind of way. I don't think they're going to be in on the Castillo market because, like,
Starting point is 00:22:35 I'm not giving you, obviously, Julio and Gilbert and Kirby, but I'm probably not giving you, I'm not giving you Kelnick. I might give you Hancock as like the primary, but that's, is that enough? I don't know. So it's a weird market for Castillo so far. We'll see how he looks in July. Maybe this is a situation where the Mariners take Mustakis's contract and therefore they only have to give up stout and, you know, I mean, pick whoever you want in the top 10 after that, like top 10 to 12. but it just it feels like somebody's going to pay i mean look at what burrios got last year
Starting point is 00:23:14 castillo feels like a burrios uh in terms of trade costs and i am not interested in that at all yeah uh for those that may not remember don't know that was uh simian woods richardson and austin martin going from the blue jays to the twins and the brillo steel uh both of those guys top 100 prospects. So, you know, you're looking at, I mean, the cop on that would be Emerson Hancock and Noel and Marty. Maybe Harry Ford, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Yeah, one of those guys, probably no I'll be, if we're being honest. So no. Yeah. So if that's the cost of acquisition there, I'm good. Yeah. If you can get them for less, maybe, you know, depending on what that is, depending on how much. less that is. But yeah, there
Starting point is 00:24:05 there's a little bit of hesitancy there. I mean, at a certain point, the Mariners are going to have to get aggressive and maybe, you know, bite the bullet on someone like that. But not for a year and a half of a number three. Yeah. Yeah. So
Starting point is 00:24:20 Frankie Montas, that's the other one. And Mark Feinstand yesterday, MLB.com, wrote that he believes the A's are looking to sell right now. Obviously, they were listening on offers for Montes all offseason.
Starting point is 00:24:39 Apparently, the Mariners were involved in those discussions, as well as discussions for Chris Bassett. Not sure if they were in on Sean Minia, but I would assume so. I would assume that that probably was the case. Montes, same situation as Castillo in the sense that he is also for a year and a half. So knowing what the A's were asking for, which we were told there was kind of this ALS tax happening with the A's for some reason, which is stupid.
Starting point is 00:25:12 It makes no sense for the A's to do that because they're not going to be competing within the next year, year and a half in the division. But apparently they were placing an AOS tax on their discussions with the Mariners. And they were asking, what was it again? Adam McOoe and Levi Stout for Chris Bassett. I think that was asked. Yeah. So I would assume it's probably even a little bit higher for someone like Montas who
Starting point is 00:25:38 some would argue has a higher ceiling than Bassett and obviously has more club control than Bassett did at the time. So yeah. So do you think maybe that cost has gone down? Because Montas hasn't been spectacular to start the year so far. Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, again, this is this is a number three, right? it's not an ace. It's really a number three.
Starting point is 00:26:04 And based on what we heard this winter, I don't see that changing much. But the one thing we know about Oakland is that they're dynamic in their negotiations. Things change very quickly for them. And we do know that they are willing to take bulk deals if they feel good about the bulk that they're getting. So can you get Montes where, you know, maybe it's maybe the headliner. is Adam Maco. And it's, it's, you know, maybe a Bryce Miller, maybe a Will Fleming, maybe a Michael Arroyo, maybe a, you know, Victor LaBrona. Can you do something like that?
Starting point is 00:26:42 Maybe. But based on what we've heard, it doesn't sound like that's going to be a possibility. So I just, I kind of doubt it. But, yeah, Montes is a guy to be interested in. Unfortunately, Oakland doesn't have a lot of big contracts for the Mariners to take on to try and lessen that clock. that cost i guess pascotti is probably the big guy there um elvis andrus is still on this team i think um but i think it's hard though okay yeah so i mean i don't know i think for montes i would i would may i'd be okay headlining to deal with macko but i'm not okay doing like macko and
Starting point is 00:27:21 stout uh macko stout and something um and that's what they wanted for basset so yeah we'll see but uh I ultimately I think that maybe the answer for the Mariners is just somebody we're not really thinking about right now. Probably. Maybe it's, yeah, maybe it's, it's Merrill Kelly. Maybe it's Zach Allen. Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe Zach Allen. Maybe it's Blake Snell. I mean, we don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:47 You know, maybe it's Jack Flaherty. Maybe it's Marcus Stroman. Maybe it's Alex, I don't know. We don't know, right? Maybe it's Rich Hill. We don't know, but they definitely. need to add pitching somebody with a little bit higher ceiling, higher floor too.
Starting point is 00:28:05 And it's going to be costly. Pitching is tough to come by. But yeah, just based on the guys that we know are available right now, the big three, they all kind of come with their own warts. And cost is going to be a big factor there. Yeah. All right. So we got Robbie Ray.
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Starting point is 00:28:57 about the trends and action. Bet Online is where the game starts. So again, Robbie Ray versus Michael Walker. Ray continues to get hit by the big inning. But the last two games, he's had a ridiculous amount of whiffs, 27 swings and misses in his last start in New York.
Starting point is 00:29:20 But this ballpark is funky. We just saw the Red Sox score 12 runs. What's the key here for, Robbie Ray, aside from avoiding the big inning, of course. Yeah, it's that. Fastball command. When you look at the big innings, the biggest issue that has led to those innings, fastball command and really fastball control.
Starting point is 00:29:44 He tends to miss arm side and high when he's kind of lost his mechanics. And, you know, obviously, if you don't have to respect the fastball, you really don't have to respect the slider. And that's when he's run into issues. You want to avoid the arm's side misses if you're a particularly up. And then you have to bury that slider. The slider's been pretty good the last few times out. So he has a shot here.
Starting point is 00:30:09 It's again, Fenway is very difficult part, particularly for righties. Sorry, lefties to pitch in. Because if you miss in at all, if you miss your spot, it's a lot of cheap doubles and home runs to come of that. Yeah, Ray has to be better and sharper with this fastball. And if you can do that, then I think the slider will play up even more and he'll be okay. But, yeah, man, it's Robbie Ray. You got to go six and give us a shot.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Yeah, yeah, it would be because I feel like the Mariners, especially going up against Waka. I think they had some good success against Waka last year. He was with Rays. Obviously, they went six and one against the race. So I would say that's a safe bet that they did pretty well against him. So they should be able to get to him a little bit tonight. But if Ray can keep Red Sox off the scoreboard in a big way, like they, you know, like they were last night,
Starting point is 00:31:10 if he can avoid, you know, giving up five or six in this game. The Mariners should be in a decent enough spot to take this one, I would say. Like we said yesterday, the pitching matchups are fairly favorable for the Mariners. And offensively, They have been better the last two nights. Although Waka has been pretty darn good this year. Yeah. So we'll see.
Starting point is 00:31:34 We'll see. Yeah. I mean, they got to them last year. So we'll see what happens. But yeah, it's a good night to bounce back, try and get a dub. Hey, maybe win back-to-back games, you know, today and tomorrow. It'd be the first time they've done that since April 24th and 26th. Wow.
Starting point is 00:31:53 So, yeah, it feels like a nice two-game winning streak is. all that needs to happen for kind of the Mariners and Mariners social media to kind of kick back into positivity land, let's say. Yeah, the, I mean, there are some positive signs, right? There has been the disappointing game still sprinkled in here and there. But this road trip overall has been better for the most part. Yeah, the, you know, the first two games in Toronto were obviously pretty frustrating. The, you know, last night's game was also really frustrating.
Starting point is 00:32:25 but there's been some good stuff as well. The last game in New York when they won the series was really nice. Arguably the first game in that series that they won was their best game that they played this year, just considering the circumstances that went into that game. And even, you know, the Gossmann start as well might be up there in terms of just, you know, an impressive win for them this year. So there's been some really positive signs. it's it's not it hasn't been all bad um so this road trip is a lot better than the last
Starting point is 00:33:02 homestand yeah which is a step in the right direction so yeah it's not great by any means but it is certainly you can see you can see it here where hey maybe this team could get on a run a little bit here um if if a couple things break their way uh they could they could get on a run here and and get things going. But again, that's, you know, until that happens,
Starting point is 00:33:26 you know, like you said, a few shows ago, momentum is only as good as your ability to maintain it. And, um,
Starting point is 00:33:34 the Mariners haven't really been successful on that front. So, uh, hey, maybe, you know, if you win a game,
Starting point is 00:33:41 maybe win the next one. That would be nice. You know, you're allowed to win more than one game in a row. And if you win again the next day, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Yeah. Ty doesn't get that reference because he doesn't watch movies. I've been exposed. He still doesn't know. I've been exposed. All right. Well, I don't know. We haven't done this in a while.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Let's just do it because why not? You know, we're going to curse the Mariners one way or another. Let's get a picked click. Trevor Story. Let's get a Mariners picked click. Trevor's story. He's going to hit three more things. tonight um yeah he's totally gonna manny marco us um i'm gonna take let's see we got walk
Starting point is 00:34:36 on the mound pretty good slider guy uh how about this i'm gonna take i'm sorry to do this to you jesse winker two home runs tonight one over the monster one around the pesky pole wow Jesse going oppo over the monster like completely over the monster
Starting point is 00:35:00 like clearing it no I mean I just mean like over the top of it probably first row all right I thought you were saying he was about to Trevor story that ball but oppo no
Starting point is 00:35:12 oh Trevor's story you son of a gun I'm going to go Adam Fraser I thought you were going to go Dylan Moore Sheet Oh well
Starting point is 00:35:28 I could have But Dylan Moore against the Ritey Dillmore against anybody Yeah I opened up DEMO to that Unfortunately Yeah no I'm going to go Fraser Because he's been swinging a hot bat
Starting point is 00:35:43 This road trip So I went off before last night, so good bounce back game for him. Yeah, yeah, let's get back on track here. Let's keep this thing going. It's been a nice road trip for Frazier. Also throw Julio in there because Julio's been, look pretty good last few nights.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Obviously, not the night before last, but last night was nice. Especially for your first game at Fenway Park, that's really impressive to go three for five. You know, obviously they lost. That's not good, but personally speaking, Julio was pretty good in that game. Tie, tie, tie.
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