Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Reaction: Mariners Send Eugenio Suárez to Diamondbacks For Seby Zavala and Carlos Vargas

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

The Mariners have traded third baseman Eugenio Suárez to the Diamondbacks for catcher Seby Zavala and right-handed reliever Carlos Vargas. Colby and Ty offer their initial reactions to the deal with more analysis to come in future episodes.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good vibes gone. A Eugenio Swares is heading to the Diamondbacks and an odd deal that looks a lot like a precursor to something bigger. At least that's the hope or cope. Let's talk about what this means here on the Lockdown Marries podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast.

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The link as well as our social accounts is in the description of this episode. So breaking news, the Mariners have traded. Eugenio Swara's to the Arizona Diamondbacks for catcher, Sebi Zavala. and right-handed reliever Carlos Vargas. The deal has been officially announced by Seattle. And two things before I kick it to you, Colby. This to me feels like a precursor to something bigger and a bit more positive for the Mariners.

At least that's what I'm hoping here. But two, it reeks of a salary dump. And we've talked about this possibility of Swarra is getting dealt, and I've said in the past that I feel like trading Suarez would be maybe a bit of an overcorrection to the team strikeout issues this past year and that it creates a major headache within this particular market to go out and address third base or second base, you know, for a replacement for Suarez. So not a huge fan of the deal from those perspectives, but I think the picture is far from complete as well. So I'll get into that a little bit more, but give us your.

thoughts on the deal. Yeah, a bit of a surprise, especially the way the deal kind of was presented. At first, it was just the Mariners have acquired Sebi Zavala. And then a couple minutes later, it's like, oh, he's part of a bigger deal. And then there was a few minutes of speculation. And then Ho chinos in the trade. And then we learn what the other piece is. And we're like, is that, is that it?

Like, is there more? Nope, that's it. And so, yeah, kind of an interesting. a pretty unusual trade for the Mariners to get leaked like that in small pieces. I think the last time we saw that was the Austinola trade, where it's kind of like one piece at a time got figured out. So yeah, that certainly added to a lot of the angst, I'm sure, of people who were closely monitoring that and dreaming for a couple minutes on what could have been. But yeah, overall, look, it's on paper, it's not a fun deal.

You lost Gino Suarez, who, you know, despite having a pretty bad year offensively, you know, fan favorite and obviously did a lot with the glove this last year, played in every single game. But there were some concerning signs. And what we should consider is that the Mariners thought that Gino was cooked or he was close to cooked. And so they wanted to get out from under the contract while they could. But yeah, obviously, you know, you hope this is a precursor to something bigger. There's no guarantee it is. It also, you know, makes the Luis Uri's trade make a little bit more sense. If you were still unsure about why they made that move, I'm sure.

We'll talk about that later as well. But, yeah, you look at the deal. What did the Mariners get? What did they give up? They gave up, you know, three-win, third baseman who had a career year defensively, but really struggled at the plate. relative to what he had done the year before. It's a guy who, for the last five years,

he's been pretty mediocre at the plate. And aside from this year, pretty mediocre in the field. So it's a little bit of a catch-22 there with Gino, who could be a declining player or he could just be a player who got a little bit unlucky last year. Both seem equally likely. When you look at what the Mariners got, they got, you know, Sebi Zavala,

who I'm going to call Sebi Zevi, just because I have to find a way to like him. He did not have a good year this year offensively. He is, however, a fantastic defensive catcher by just about all metrics. And he did have a pretty good year at the plate in 2022, albeit in a small sample size. And it's the only year. He's been really good at the plate in his entire career. He's bounced back and forth.

He has no options left. The press release today made it sound like he is going to be the backup catcher with cow and so that would in theory close the door on tom murphy we'll have to wait and see about that uh but yeah no options left so he's got to make the big league club or he's going to get claimed on waivers he's a valuable backup catcher those guys typically don't clear um and then you look at the the arm they got back pretty classic you know jerry depoto meriner front office uh trade uh you know trade candidate uh 99 to 101 uh with the fastball and a slight that baseball America is graded as 70 grade.

I think FanGraphs has it at 5560 in that range. So yeah, there's a lot of plus, there's plus stuff here, but who dude walks a lot, a lot of players. He's a young guy who has already had a Tommy John surgery, protected as like an 18, 19 year old in the Rule 5 draft, which is weird. And yeah, he just hasn't really found his footing yet. But there is tremendous stuff there. There's, you know, potentially a high leverage arm there.

But there's a lot of wishing on an arm like that. So you get a backup catcher. You get a guy that you're going to give to your development staff and hopefully help him reach his ceiling, which could be, again, you know, 11, 12 strikeout per 9 guy with, you know, four walks per 9, something like that and give you a, you know, a potential high leverage option in the pen. But yeah, those are, it's a lot of ifs and hope. And, you know, we'll see for a guy who, uh, Mariner fans absolutely adore. And that's why this trade is, was never going to be perceived well.

And, uh, yeah, this is a ball club that's going to do what they have to do. They, they shave about 10 million bucks, um, off of the payroll. And again, we'll talk about that. I'm sure a little bit later because I do have a point I want to make about that. But, uh, yeah, overall on the surface, pretty, uh, questionable deal if you only look at it in a vacuum. Yeah, I don't like the deal as it stands, but again, I feel like we're kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop, but make them mistake. You traded a three-win third baseman who, yes, is showing signs of decline, but I still feel has a good foundation to build off of for a nice bounceback season in 2024. We talked about that one on Monday for a 30-year-old catcher, backup catcher who has 60 games of being good offensively, obviously a good defender, but you can find good defensive backup catchers.

that have no offense relatively easy. Potentially glorified Gerson-Bautista, Tiago, Vieira. You know, like, that's what Vargas more likely than not could be. But, you know, there is obviously the chance that they can fix them as well and get them on the right track. But it's not anything to get excited about here. Like, that's the point here. It's just really nothing to get excited about.

I totally understand the fan reaction to this. And again, I think it creates. a massive headache for this team. I think that they put themselves in a really big predicament here because this is not the market to go out and find a replacement at third base or second base. Third base options are very, very limited. And I'm just concerned about what they feel is the answer at third base if they actually are going to put a significant amount of eggs in the basket of Luis Eureas being an everyday player again, which we've talked about. I think the likelihood of that is is fairly high.

And I think there are some really strong, there's some really strong evidence that suggests that his 2023 was a fluke and that he should have an opportunity here to be a lot better than he was in 2023. But if that's the answer and your second base answer is Josh Rojas, I don't feel great about that. But again, it's November 22nd. They have a lot of time to do stuff.

It's just that this market is not, particularly great for finding those solutions. So I'm really interested to see what their plan is here. This trade to me would suggest that if there is something bigger to happen at third or second base this offseason, that they feel pretty confident that they're going to be able to make that happen. Just really curious to see what that is. But right now, as the deal currently stands, not a fan of it, but really, really, really, intrigued to see why they felt it was so important to eliminate both the strikeouts from

Gino and also the money from their books because that's really what this deal ultimately screams to me. Vargas, kind of interesting arm. Zavala, you know, good defensive catcher, but he's 30 years old, doesn't hit. That feels like a return that you get in a salary dump trade. That feels very, you know, Mark Trumbo for Steve Clevenger. It feels very much of that that same vein. So, yeah, why was it important for them to make this deal? That's really what I'm curious to see. And so hopefully we find that out sooner rather than later. We're going to get into more of the steel in just a moment, but first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Fandul. Score early this NFL season with Fandul, America's

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And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen after the AU Henning of Swarist trade. And as a reminder, Lockedon has launched the first ever national sports 24-7 street. channel on YouTube. Locked on Sports Today is here for you 24-7 covering the top sports stories of the day with the local experts of Locked-on Plus are national shows covering every league. Go to Locked-on Sports Today on YouTube and subscribe to the first ever national sports 24-7 streaming channel for the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team, every day. So we are talking about the Aeuh Henio-Swaris trade with the Arizona Diamondbacks.

and yeah my my general feelings on it is like yes gino is coming off of a of a down year he did not produce in the way that you need a third basement to produce particularly with the uh the power output um obviously had a great defensive season but that only holds so much value especially when this team needs more offense desperately needs more offensive production um obviously had the the big strikeout woes as well. But again, given this market, you are creating a pretty big headache for yourself in terms of finding a replacement for Suarez or if the idea is to platoon Rojas and Eureas at third, then you're putting pressure on yourself to go and find yourself a second basement.

And I just feel like it, like before this trade was made, when we when we talked about the possibility of this Colby. I felt that it just made more sense to not even go through the hassle of trying to accomplish this and just bank on Gino turning it around for the $11 million because even after the year that he's coming off of, $11 million is fine for Gino.

That's a fine number for him. And he was still a three-win player last year. I know most of that is defense, but still, I think that's a more than fine number to bank on him bouncing back. And I just feel like that was a much safer bet for them than whatever their actual plan is here. But again, we'll see. Maybe there's something that they have cooking up here that we don't even expect.

There's been some rumors flying around about the Cubs sniffing around on Bo Bichet as a potential third base option. Maybe the Mariners are also interested in that possibility. Or maybe they're interested in Bichet as a shortstop and maybe move J.P. to second. that's the plan here. Maybe there's something like absolutely insane that they're working on that that could be in the works here. But until I see that, I just, I don't feel great about this deal. And, you know, with regards to, again, you know, we just talked about it, that this does look a lot like a salary dump. If they are trying to dump salary with this deal, what are they hopefully saving that for? What do you, what do you think that could be for, Colby?

Yeah, that's, that's the thing, isn't it? Like, if you're going to tell me like, oh, well, you know, we, we want to move that money around differently, we want to spend it on a different player or whatnot, then fine. But you have to pretty much make it like abundantly clear that this is what you spent that money on. Remember when they, they dumped Trevor God and they saved some money there and they dumped Chris Flexen and save some money there. And it was like, oh, cool, they're going to spend some of that. And they didn't. Like, there's no evidence to suggest whatsoever that they've spent any of that yet. Maybe that's part of what this is.

Maybe not. But so that's the thing. If, if you're a like, oh, well, this is, this is good because they're going to spend that money. You sure? I mean, and how would we ever know? Because hypothetically, even if they sign Otani, how do you know that that $15 million they saved, you know, is, made the difference. It probably didn't.

So we'll see. You know, it's going to be very difficult to know what they spent the savings of Gino on if they spent it at all. And it's going to be difficult to know if they spent it because we don't know what their books are. We don't know what their payroll is. We don't know what restrictions Jerry and Justin have on them. Only, you know, they know that and they're never going to say anything. And certainly John Stanton's not going to say anything. he saves all his talking for when other people are being honored.

But yeah, it's, I don't know. I don't know what the next move is or what the move that makes this make more sense is because it's November 22nd. That's why I don't know. Like three significant free agents have come off the board so far. Two of them, like you probably had no interest in anyways. like it's still pretty early in the market. Not a lot of money has been spent. So I don't know what the plan is here.

I don't know how they're going to spend that money or even if they are. So it's to me, this deal is if you're going to, you know, try and work it as like they have to have something bigger down the pipe, maybe. But it doesn't necessarily mean that they trade a Gino for the money to get it done. because what do they acquire, I don't like, Nico Horner or something like that, right, to play second base. And all of a sudden that makes sense. But Horner is making $4 million. Did they need to trade Gino's $11 million to afford him? No, they didn't.

So the money is always tricky. It's always sticky because we have no idea. We can't quantify. Oh, that's the money they saved on Gino. They put it towards that deal. We don't know because they're never going to tell us. And anything else is just guessing. So when you're talking about the money of the,

deal like, cool, we save some money. That's great if you spend it. Because if you don't spend it, nobody cares that you save money because it's not, you're not giving that money to us. Right. Oh, we save $10 million. So now all Mariner tickets are $10 for the month of June and July. Even that, I'd be like, I'll pay full price, go get, you know, a free agent. But, you know, I mean, like, we're never going to know, like what they're going to spend that money on or if they're going to spend it. or that's just going to go in Stanton's back pocket. So it's really difficult for me to try and quantify, like how valuable it is to have that $10, $12 million off your books

that you would otherwise have to pay. Yeah. Just for me, again, when we've speculated about a Gino trade and when we were talking more within the context of like a Toronto deal, I just, the only way that I was able to imagine a Gino trade was if they were getting something that just absolutely wowed them, that made the headache of going through all of this worth it. And I just don't think that this return is reflective of that.

So I'm just, I'm really puzzled by the deal. I'm really puzzled by what the deal means of anything, right? With regards to what else they have cooking up right now. But if they had traded Gino for Luis Urius, I said Urius, it's Urius, you got me saying Urius, but it's Urius. But if they had traded him for Urius,

for Ureas, I would have liked that return more than Zavala and Vargas, you know, like, that's not to say that I'm like doing backflips over the return, but I would like that better. Right, but if you look at it as a whole, right, then essentially you traded Gino and Campbell for Ureas. I mean, really, you traded Gino, Campbell, and Tatum Levens for Urius, Blacont, Sebby, Zevi, and, I can't remember the pitcher's name. Carlos Vargas The point though is like What you got back for Isaiah Campbell Who's a significantly less valuable player than than a Johanio Suarez

I like that return more than the return you got for the three-win third basement That's all I'm saying to you According to you He's less valuable Do you think the Mariners just took the first offer they got for Gino? No You think they didn't shop around Not you

We know that we know Yeah but we know that they've talked to Toronto We know that they had talked to Tampa about him. And then obviously, you know, Arizona is the team that ends up making the deal. And maybe there were other teams that were in on him as well. Again, right. I think it, I think it helps always to start from a very fundamental and yet easy to answer question. Is Jerry to Poto an idiot?

The answer is no. Like, I know people out there will say yes in the comments. Yeah, there's a lot of people that are going to say yes. But you're wrong. You're objectively wrong. Jerry DePoto isn't stupid. Has he made some bad moves? Yes.

Every GM in baseball has made bad moves. Okay. As he also, you know, completed a rebuild in like two and a half, three years, gone from the worst farm system to the best to the worst to the best again. Yeah. He has. Has he built, you know, a high floor team? Yeah, he has. You know, is he get credit for signing Julio for drafting Cal for drafting Logan for drafting Kirby for, for, you know, trading for casting.

Do you get credit for all that? Yeah, he does. Not saying he's a great GM. I think he's pretty good. He's not even a GM anymore, but you get what I'm saying. I think he's pretty good. Yeah.

Right. I don't know if he's great. I think he's pretty good. And I know he's not stupid. So what I don't think is what happened, which seems to be what a lot of people are assuming, is that Jerry got a deal. Like the Diamondbacks like,

hey, here's our first offer. And Jerry was just like, yes, I need to save the money. Yes. That's not what happened, guys. That's not what happened. So, Gino's only worth what the market is actually willing to pay. And we'll never know what it was willing to pay.

We know what the diamondbacks were willing to pay. Sure. But we don't know. This could have been the best deal they could get. Well, but the key to that is why did the Mariners feel that Gino was worth that, right? Or getting rid of Gino was worth that. Again, maybe they think he's on the decline. He really struggled against velocity this year.

Yeah. Maybe they think his bat slowed down. and they think it's going to continue. Maybe they're just wrong. And Gino goes out and he hits 35 home runs next year. Totally possible. That's what my concern is. I mean, yeah, but it's also possible.

He takes another step back and he's a 90 WRC plus guy or an 85 WRC plus guy. And the defense reverts back to what it's been his entire career, which is average, not elite. Those are also possible. He's 31, 32 years old. So I think it's more like, I'd say this, I think it's more likely that Gino's offensive 2023 is like a real sign of regression. I think that is more likely than it is that Luis Urius is just a bad player now because of his 2023. Right.

And so I'm not saying that, you know, Urius is, you should expect Urius to give you the same value as Gino did. I'm not saying that. Should you expect more than the value he gave his two teams in 2023? Yes. Is it possible that instead of being a two and a half? player. He jumps up and he's a three one player this year because he's 26 years old and he was trending in the right direction before the you know this disaster of a year. Yes. That is as likely if not more likely, uh, then Gino just magically becoming his 22 self again.

I just one years old. So yeah, I would just argue that that banking on that with the information that you currently have is a bit poor process. And I feel and I'm concerned that they for that they, that they have foregone the safest bet they could feasibly take at third base this offseason to put a ton of eggs in the basket of a very exciting young player who again i i feel like there is a lot of evidence that suggests that 2023 was a fluke for louis urea's and that he's more than capable of being an everyday player in 2024 but if that's like you're only and again it's November 22nd i'm just I'm very concerned that they think that's that's the answer.

I'm just concerned that that that's what they think the answer is. I know. No, it's like it's, they have to do more and they're going to do more. I'm not, I'm not going to. I don't think this is it, right? I'm not saying that they're going to go out and sign Otani now or even like, Corey Salar now. Like, I'm not putting names to it, but like obviously they're going to do more.

And again, remember, the goal is to be, is to get net better. Right. So if you take a win back. from like let's say that you think Gino's three win player let's say you think Urius is a two win player so you take away a win there if you go and add three wins elsewhere then you still

got better and that's the thing is that right the whole point is that the roster be better than it was last year and look you could still do that and look if there is a path here where Rojas is the second basement and Urius is the third basement on opening day but

they went out and they added you know Oatani or they added Cody Bellinger. They went out and they traded for Randy a Rose Arena and they got Shoda even Abenaga and they got a couple of other nice pieces. And overall, the roster is better than it was at the end of 2023.

There definitely is a path there. Again, it's just like the picture is very incomplete. So, and it's November 22nd. And I think this is a deal. At least my hope is that this is a deal that just feels a lot worse right now because of the timing of it, because of

the order in which the deal happened. So. Yeah. And we talk about this all the time. Like teams don't, they have their checklist, right?

And they say, okay, this is our most important priority. It doesn't mean that that's what they're going to do first. And they'll do everything else after that because that's not how it works. When you have, when you can check something off your list,

you just do it. Check. Right. Right. So. Yeah. And by the way, I think you can make a really strong argument that Eureas and Rojas,

third base, second base. And I mean, it's pretty much a fact, is going to give you more value next year than Gino and Wong and what the plan was at this time last year at those two spots. So maybe you downgrade a little bit at first at third base, but you upgrade more at second base going from Wong to Rojas and it's a wash, right?

So it's tough because you're basically you have to judge a piece of art on three brush strokes. Like you know what it's supposed to look like, but the artist has only gone, you know, the artist is only a quarter of the way through. And they're like, okay, now,

judge it now. And you're like, uh, I mean, I can't. I have to wait until he's done. So we'll see. But like,

yeah, I get the frustration totally. But yeah. Yeah. I just think that you have to look at the bigger picture here. And it's, it's very shocking. It is very shocking like when you first see it.

Um, but it was also something that I, I kind of called. Like when I, when, when, Nightingale said there's a bigger deal here. I was like, well, Gino makes sense.

And I don't know if the Diamondbacks are super comfortable running with Lawler and Perdomo on the left side. Sure. So I kind of expected that. It was just the return is shocking. Because again, I just expected that if they were going to trade Gino, it was going to be like for a, it was going to be for a lot more, you know, it was going to be for a lot more value because of how limited the third base options are because it's not just the Mariners

who have to face. that, right? It's every team that's trying to get better at third base, like the Blue Jays and like the Diamondbacks. So I felt like because of that, that there was going to be a premium on Gino and the steel obviously is not reflective of that whatsoever. Steel would

pretty clearly indicate that the league looked at Gino and was like, yeah. Because again, the Mariners aren't taking less just to trade them to Arizona. Right. Now, again, beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Maybe a team offered them something that we would

perceive as more for Gino. Right. But the Mariners don't. Right. And so that's something we always have to keep in mind with every trade is that maybe the mariners really think that Carlos Vargas, they can fix. Like they, they, they've identified the issue and they know what it is and they can fix them.

They know they can. Right. Right. And if it works. Like, I mean, you mentioned Vieira and Camerro and some other shots they took. They also took a shot like this on somebody named Andreus Munoz. And that worked. So they took a shot on somebody like this named Austin Adams, and that worked.

So they do have some track record here. And if Vargas is a mid-leverage reliever this year, like a reliable one, he just kind of replaces Campbell. And he is a high leverage guy in the next year or two, then the deal looks great on paper. Right. Right now it kind of sucks. Yeah. Because we're waiting for the other shoe to drop. And we kind of will never know what this trade led.

to the Mariners doing in response. Because even if they do go out and they sign a Cody Bellinger, like again, just dreaming big here. Like if they do do that, we don't know if that's necessarily like if the Gino deal help that. Like we don't know. Because,

because you know what Jerry's not going to do? He's not going to be, he's not going to go out there at the press conference. I'll be like, told you that $12 million we said put us over the top with Cody, didn't it? Cody, tell him.

No, because no GM in baseball does that. No GM should do that in baseball. Yeah. So we'll never know. We'll never know, but, yeah, just kind of hoping whatever is next, whatever led them to make this deal is worth it, right? I think that's all we really can do as fans of the team,

is just kind of hope that this is going to lead somewhere positive. Sure. So are we about to wrap, or are we at the end here? Yeah, you know, I think tomorrow we'll talk more about Zavala and the Tom Murphy situation because I think that's interesting. and I think there is an argument to be made that the Mariners actually got better at backup catcher mostly because of the defense

because Murphy has been a poor defender, especially as of late in terms of controlling the run game. As well has been a lot better in that regard. So we'll talk more about that tomorrow, I think. And we'll see what else. But is there anything you wanted to add before we got out of here? Sure.

I think it's interesting, something that's been happening the last few years. And it's, I don't think it's a plan thing. It's just kind of the way that, you know, this is gone. You, you listen to like, who are the big leaders in that Mariners Clubhouse, right? For years, it was Mitch Hanager. Well, it's Kyle Seeger. He left.

He retired. Mitch Hanager takes over. He leaves. You know, and then last year, it's, it's Paul Seawald. You know, it's, you know, and then it's Tom Murphy and it's Gino Suarez. Yeah. they're all out. So if there is a leadership void, I don't, again, I don't think the Mariners are out here going like, oh, well, we don't like these guys.

So we're just going to get rid of them and have the clubhouse build their own. But sometimes there is a shakeup that happens in the leadership structure of your clubhouse when a team wants a player to kind of take that role and take that mantle. And they want guys to step up. And, you know, like we heard how important Robbie Ray was to the pitching staff in 2022 as just kind of that guy. he wasn't around last year. So I'm sure maybe we could talk more about that tomorrow. What do the Mariners do with their leadership structure amongst players? Maybe we talk more about that tomorrow.

But I do think it's interesting that Seattle has lost a lot of their clubhouse guys, quote, unquote, over the last two years. Yeah, Teo's another like vibes guy. I don't know if he was necessarily a leader. But he's like, you know, a vibes guy, at least from the outside looking in. Now you lose Gino. Like they've, they've lost a lot of personality in the clubhouse. house.

So it's going to be interesting to see, you know, how they fill that void. And again, we'll probably explore that a bit more tomorrow. So, but yeah, it's just, it's a bit of a shock to the system, you know, because it's, I didn't expect a ton of turnover with the roster with the lineup in particular. You know, obviously they needed to get better this offseason. but I, you know, just looking at what the circumstance was, I didn't think that Gina was going to end up getting traded for all the reasons that we've talked about over the last few weeks.

So to now see that, it's like, oh, there's going to be significant changes on this roster. This team is going to look a lot different come opening day. I think that's good. You know, he's not watching, but I want to thank you Hennio-Swaras for a really fun two years in Seattle. One of my favorite mariners as of late, just an absolutely, awesome dude love gino to death wish him nothing but the best in arizona and i love the fact that he is reunited with paul see wall that's really really cool so uh diamondbacks fans if you're watching you got a great one and gino at least from a personality perspective and we'll see if you got a great

personality yeah maybe a great player but definitely a great personality yeah yeah so all right that's going to do it for our show thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown marriss podcast for colby pat note i'm titan gonzalus be sure to give us a follow on twitter at l o underscore mariners you can follow me at Dane Gonzalez. It's D-A-N-E, G-N-Z-L-Z, and Colby at C-P-E-P-E-N-Z-E. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode.

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