Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Ryan Divish on the Seattle Mariners' Trade Deadline Approach, Logan Gilbert's Future, and More

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

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Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times joins us to answer some of the biggest questions about the Mariners with under two weeks to go until the trade deadline. You are locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network. Your team every day. Ahoy, sailors. It is Wednesday, July 22nd, 2026. My name is Tanya Gonzalez.

And on today's show, Colby and I sit down with Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times to talk about the state of the Mariners and the MLB trade deadline. We talk about what's going on with Cal Raleigh. Logan Gilbert's recent comments about Dan Wilson, how aggressive the Mariners might be at the trade deadline and a whole lot more over the next 40-ish minutes. So kick back, relax, let's get right into it. The MLB trade deadline is under two weeks away, and we're here with Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times

to talk about what's going on with the Mariners in the lead up to August 3rd. Ryan, thanks so much for doing this. Really appreciate it. Happy to be on. So before we get into the deadline and all that, I want to talk a little bit about, you know, the current state of this team. You know, everyone wants to know what's going on with Cal.

I got asked about him on the radio yesterday. Our listener has asked all the time. I'm sure you get asked constantly. And, you know, as the days go by, it's just been harder to see the light at the end of the tunnel here with him. But last night, you know, Terry Francona brings in a lefty and immediately has him intentionally walked Tom Canzone to load the bases for Cal. And then Cal immediately gets a hanging, breaking ball and destroys it. And I, you know, I know we're all desperate to.

to see that turning point for him. But do you think a swing like that, especially with what led up to it, could help get him going here? Oh, yeah. I mean, sometimes it's a broken bat swing or something that leads you to it. It's never, oh, it's, people always say,

oh, it's a great at bat, you know, saw seven pitches, hit a single up the middle or hit one the other way. To me, that hanging breaking ball that we saw, that's a pitch that Cal has pulled fast. by about, you know, 35, 40 feet. He's hit it seven miles, but he's pulled it foul. He's done that one, some fastballs.

And to me, that's timing. It's being a little jumpy, being a little anxious, you know, wanting to hit the ball, wanting to square the baseball up so much that you are ahead of where you're supposed to be, like the contact point, where he's trying to make contact at, is out in front of the plate too far.

And then, you know, your back doesn't stay in his own very long. And so I think that's, I mean, like you watch is a bat and you watch the, you know, the failures. And then like you see signs of like, okay, here it comes. But it's just been a lot of swings at pitches that he probably shouldn't swing at. They found a few holes. And then the pitches that he is getting, he's seeing it early. He's recognizing them early that they're going to be good pitches to hit.

And he's out in front too much. You know, he's pulling them foul or he's, you know, he's off. off the end of the bat. And I think that's the biggest thing. It's timing. I don't think he's really in between. But we've seen pitchers, you know, basically, especially from the left side, attack him right under his hands or just above his hands.

And a year ago when everything feels right and the timing's right and you're seeing it well and everything's synced up, you're pounding that pitch. But right now when your swing maybe isn't right or the timing was off to start with, you're not hitting that pitch. And it's hard to get back to that spot. So basically what you need to do is start hitting more pitches in the strike zone. But, you know, the quality of contact with pitches in the zone has not been there. Maybe that is something that will help on my thought.

Like I said, he was really on time. I mean, that's a cookie. That is a hanging, breaking ball, middle, middle. But, you know, a lot of times guys will see they'll get a middle, middle pitch, and they just try and do too much or they try and they're just, they see it early and they get out in front and they don't hit it crisply. And that's, you know, the difference sometimes when you're locked in versus when you're struggling is when you're able to do that. So hopefully that's a sign that he's getting better or at least for him.

That's the feeling like, okay, this is how I need to feel. This is the timing. This is how long I need to see this pitch before I hit it well. I mean, like I just, I spent like off and on, you know, I spent all off season and I spent, you know, the last all last summer and even parts of this summer working with my son about that same concept. It's like when you see the one pitch you want to hit, you can't be in a, hurry to hit it. You have to just stay relaxed and hit it. And I think Cal is human and he's tried to put up numbers and I think he's cognizant of his failures and he's cognizant of his struggles. And I think he understands that his failures and his struggles are a big reason why this team is

so inconsistent offensively. And so he's trying to make up for what was lost. And that can't be the mentality. As much as it sucks and as much as people like you and me and fans like to remind him, hey, you've been terrible all season. You can't allow that to creep into your head when you're trying to get results at the big league level. It just doesn't work. You need to be really, you need to be almost just like blissfully unaware of what's going on around you when you're at the plate.

And sometimes you can say Randy acts like that all the time, but like, that's what I mean. Like you need to be unaware of what you failed at in the past when you're trying to have success at the play. Obviously, there's been a lot of calls from the fan base for Dan Wilson to be fired, but Logan Gilbert gets on KJR yesterday and says, quote,

I always try to be pretty nice. If I ever heard people say that, I'd get pretty fired up. That's ridiculous that people would say that. Dan is one of the best people I've ever met. I think he's amazing at his job and what he does and the way he gets us going. I think every single one of us would go to bat for him.

I love playing under him, and I hope he stays here forever, end quote. What are your thoughts, if any on that quote and what do you make of the whole Dan situation? Um, I mean to me like Dan is Dan, you know, I don't, I think a lot of people believe the in-game decisions and some of the, the in-game decisions are 97% of the job when I think it's about 10% of the job. And so many of those decisions are mapped out ahead of time. And based, and a lot of times the decisions are based on

that has never shared with us, even off the record. You know, Scott Service would tell us from time to time before a game would start like, hey, don't write this now or don't tweet this now, but Munoz is down. We're not going to him no matter what. So when it happens in there, you can write, hey, he's down, you know. He would do that from time to time. Just give us a heads up. Or like, hey, you know, so-and-so is just not feeling it today.

we just decided to give him a day to clear his head, you know, or whatever. But Dan doesn't, you know, he doesn't really tell us that. But like a lot of his decisions, we don't really always know the process or what their information involved is, you know. I mean, Adam and I've seen their cards on their pinch-shitting stuff and their reliever stuff. They use a lot of Wobah and stuff like that and other proprietary stuff that they use to measure what success rate is. So, and it's not really shared with us.

And the one thing I think that hurts Dan when it comes. of these decisions is he doesn't articulate it well. He doesn't articulate his plan or his process very well, whereas Scott got very good at explaining why they do what they do. And I think that's been a big part of it. I mean, to me, the Dan's strength is getting guys to play hard and play for each other. And I think one thing that they did, and the reason they made the change was that this group of players on some level,

a kind of outgrown Scott in the hands-on mentality or I wouldn't say a micromanager but like he liked to have his hands and everything and he liked to be the voice because for so long he had to be the voice he had to be kind of the you know trying to establish his culture but then once the kids all growed up you know you have you have to let the reins go a little bit and I think he had a hard time with that Dan has let the reins go a ton on these guys and it's not to say that it's like everybody just gets to do whatever the hell they want there's no repercussions they just handle it internally. And Scott was very protective of his players, too, until he felt like there was a time not to.

And maybe as we go on, Dan gets to that point. But I mean, like, I don't think he's the greatest manager in the world. I don't think he's the worst. I think that, like, there are times where the game probably speeds up on him. I think some of the decision-making is a little wonky or a little inconsistent, but he doesn't ever give us the information a lot of times based on the decision. So how do we know? Maybe it is totally legitimate, like, based on what information they have to do these things.

you know, and like how they play with the platoons and stuff, that's, that's a decision that starts in the front office and how they want to play. I mean, like, I think, you know, people always talk about Lou Pinella and everything else. Like, those kind of managers aren't around anymore for a reason because the general managers and the front offices have all the power. I mean, look at Aaron Boone, you know, who did he replace? Joe Girardi could not handle Brian Casman invading the office every day and wanting input and controlling who the last guy's on the roster was and dropping all that stuff. And so he resigned thinking, oh, man, somebody will pick me up. Nobody picked him up, man. He was on an MLB network for a while, and he's gone.

Like, I think that's the way baseball is. You need some level of synergy with the front office and managing. And it's funny, though, like, I, there was a radio host on KGR. He was like, they didn't use Munoz the one day or something. And he goes, you need to put down the iPads and stop relying on analytics. And I'm being like, no, iPads and analytics said Muno should have. bitch. Gutt says no.

Like, come on. Like, you know, it's like, um, it's like when they were in Cleveland a few weeks ago. And like,

you know, they, they probably should have thrown the lefty against Kwan and they didn't. Yeah. It's like, that's the opposite of what you guys are complaining about. Yeah, I know.

I know. It's like put down the iPads. I mean, hell, maybe they're, maybe they're like me and playing township on the iPad. I don't know. But like,

I don't think that's, you know, I think, honestly, I think Dan does more stuff that the front office might not agree with compared to what Scott, because Scott was so much in sync with their line of thinking, Dan is a little different. He does things a little bit more on his gut, you know. I mean, I think everybody and I, like same host is, oh, you know, Jerry and Justin are in there

every day for the lineup meeting and the hitters. They are not in there every day. That would be, one, you'd probably want to beat yourself over the head every day, you know, and like I think Jerry, Jerry can get really pissed. I don't think he's in there every day because he'd probably start yelling. Like I think from what I've from what I've gathered, it's like when you make a big decision when it comes to the lineup like last year when they decided to move Randy to lead off and they didn't really have an option. They're like, okay, that's when you talk with the front office because it's going to affect everyone down there. And then you just mean and say, hey, we're going to do this. And then the GM and the president say, okay, you want to do this.

Well, how does this affect him? How does this affect him? Let's look at the bigger picture. because when you're the manager, you're in the moment. And especially if it's something like a permanent lineup change, you know, I mean, like the look at the JP and Colt Emerson thing. They waited a while to do it because they just, they weren't comfortable right away. They want to make sure JP was comfortable. And then, you know, what helped was once they got Colt in there and they saw what it could be at shortstop. They're like, yeah, we can't go back to this.

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And you're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcasts Network, your team every day. Thank you so much for making us your first listen for all things, Mariners. And also thank you for making Lockdown the number one sports podcast network. Now let's get back into our conversation with Ryan Divish. Speaking of that, you know, obviously it's been a real struggle for Colt over the last six or so weeks at the plate. But obviously the defense and the range, you know, it's just so noticeable going from JP to him. How much do you think that they will weigh that?

And do you think it's realistic that they would actually consider maybe sending Colt down, at least for a little while to work on some things offensively in maybe a less pressurized environment? I don't know. I mean, to me, it's like they could do it. I don't think it would mess with his head or anything. But the things that Colt needs to work on, he's not seeing a AAA, really. I mean, like the AAA baseball is really bad right now. It's as bad as it's been.

You know, the position players are, for the most part, old. And the pitching, you know, there are, you know, it's like, oh, it used to be nobody threw over 96. Now, everybody throws 96. It's who can execute, who can execute breaking pitches, who can, execute their fastball to be at a high level. I think with Colt, they're beating with fastballs. I think that's an adjustment you can make at the MLB level

if you put in the work, and I know he is. But sometimes it's just the mentality. We saw Cole Young struggle with that last year. And like Cole just said, he goes, I had to just train and rethink everything on how I want to do it. And I watched him do it this spring on how he trained it. He had that junior hack attack machine at about 45 feet, and they ratchet that thing up as hard as it could go.

So it's over 100 miles an hour, and he's just sitting there trying to get on time. And it wasn't right away, but it took time, get on time, get on time. They'd angle it, so it'd be bearing in on his hands or running away. And I think Colt is doing all those things. It's just that also the responsibility of playing shortstop. At the MLB level is pretty high. I think he'll be fine.

You know, he has looked overwhelmed at times, and I think they were aware that that was a possibility. but you know this isn't like I thought Cole looked more lost last year towards the end than Cole does right now in his struggles I mean even like last night you know he hits the sack fly to right field I thought that was a pretty good approach you know it's a hard fastball up and away get it up in the air and go from there I thought it was it was better but I mean the defense alone is like holy cow it's noticeable because of the range to the middle of the field yeah and even to the hole, like JP's biggest weakness was going to the shortstop hole

towards a five, six hole, you know, and he didn't have the arm strength anymore. Colt can get there, and it isn't always just have to get rid of it as fast as possible. And, you know, I think that's big. And they don't really have, and they don't really have anybody else, like defensively from a defensive standpoint. Yeah. They don't have anybody else because Revas isn't even playing. He's got a concussion.

And so, whatever, Vertigo, I mean, he's not even playing. So it's like, he's. Yeah. So they don't have a defensive shortstop that you felt like would be a replacement level bat that would be above average shortstop that they could plug in there if you wanted to get cold time. No, you'd go back to JP and then piece it together. Yeah, and we've looked at like around the league and there really isn't anyone that I think they could trade for either. So anyway, Colby, what do you go?

Yeah, Mariners are an extremely banged up team. They have been all year. No major injuries, but they're about as healthy as they're going to, I mean, I guess we'll see what happens with Julio and JP. But you have any updates on Rob Reff Snyder and Brennan Donovan? I know Donovan's in Everett tonight to continue his rehab, but how long do you think it's going to be with those two guys? I would think they'd want Ref Snyder hitting well,

I mean, more as well as possible before they bring them back. But you never, I didn't, I mean, I was trying to think about what they would see when they go to Texas. Like Texas got, what, three lefty relievers, lats and all those guys. So they could ostensibly. Actually, Resnetter actually hit well when they were in Texas. It's like one of the few places where he did some things. So that may be at the point where they bring him up.

I don't know how much they'll play him. I don't foresee them using him as much. But, you know, I think that's a possibility. They also could extend it longer and say, hey, we really want you to come back. Because, I mean, Weston Wilson, while he does some strange things on the bases and other things, he does play multiple positions at a higher. level than Rob does. And so, you know, but, you know, I would think maybe in Texas or sometime on the road trip based on what they would see. Brendan, you know, he's got to be able to play a couple

days in a row for nine innings and see where it's like, you know, and now they think, you know, I guess if JP's wrist was truly, truly an issue and they thought, oh, man, we don't want to die on him, but we can't plan for a couple days. Maybe they bring Brendan back early. They could do that. you could do some other piecemeal moves too and give him time. I think the one thing is they've waited so long and been so patient for him to be healthy that chasing results, you know, would be kind of silly as well just because of that. Do you think Rob's definitely going to get another shot here, or do you think there's a chance that he never makes it back to the Major League roster?

They just decide to cut that cord because they are getting a little something from Weston-Wilson. Do you think it's possible we've seen Ref Snyder play his last game with Seattle? And also, you know, there's been reports of them targeting, you know, right-handed hitting corner outfield guys and all that as well. Oh, yeah, no, I think I don't know that Rob will finish the season with the team. Honestly, if I'm the Red Sox, they need a right-handed bench guy, and that guy had success there, I'm making a trade. I'm calling, you know, I was saying to depoto, like, if you're not going to use him,

we'll pick him up for something minimal. I mean, like, you know, because I think that's honestly like if the Mariners DFAid Rob, I think that's automatically where he would try to go is Boston because they do lack for a right-handed hitting bat. I mean, that's the one thing is like, somebody's going to take a chance on him and he could get going. I thought, like, watching his at-bats towards the end,

he was absolutely chasing hits and absolutely chasing the results because he was so bad and he was wearing it. from the fans and I think I think that bothered him which is crazy because he played in Boston and so you'd think oh man fans are going to be on his ass the whole time but he just was he just was really chasing hits and really just swinging early and swinging way too often and maybe that's part of how he has had success and that's his approach but it wasn't working here and uh like a ton of roll over ground balls shortstop so I think they might give him a couple chances because like It's an investment, and most of the time, teams will always wait longer than fans or media are when it comes to players because they're pragmatic, and it's also an investment.

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Now let's get back into our conversation with Ryan Divish. One last thing on the right-hand hitters. Do you think Michael Oroyo could factor into the equation here down the stretch? Yeah, I mean, I don't see why not. He is positionally limited. You know, I don't, it is odd watching. I can't imagine he'd play second base at all. I think he brought him up.

I think he'd only play left field. But he has a pretty mature approach. And I'll say this, like everybody, like his first week with Vegas was outstanding and he was pounding balls, but it's Vegas, you know, and it's the PCL. Like, I like to point out that Jose Marmalios was like 340 with 27. or something like that. You two player the game, Jose Marmalios, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah.

I mean, like, I like to point that out, you know, that I mean, like, I mean, even like the numbers we saw Harry Ford put up last year versus the numbers he was putting up in the international league, it's just different. Like, you're talking about Vegas, Reno, Albuquerque, El Paso. I mean, Tacoma might be one of the fairest ballparks that they have in the league. And since they lowered those fences all the way around, it's. it plays more hitter friendly than it used to. So I always take AAA stats with a grain of salt,

even like Ryan Bliss and all that other stuff. Because I like Bliss and I think he can hit, but we saw him get exposed at the big league level. And so I think there is some reticence there because of, you know, and really it's the defense. If you're going to be a utility guy, you've got to be somewhat decent at something, I would think. But who knows, the Mariners have had utility guys in the past

that were bad defensively everywhere to. I got one last thing just on the club as a whole before we get into the deadline stuff here. You know, one of the more noticeable issues with this team is that they made a lot of fundamental mistakes over the year. And it's ranged from, you know, the fringe major leaguers who filtered in and out to some of the more prominent players on the roster. What do you ultimately attribute that to? Because that's obviously played a big role in the, you know, the calls for Dan to be fired and all that as well. Yeah, I mean, I think sometimes it's just being conscientious a little bit more, a little more focused. I think, you know, I think there were times because of what they had last year and because of, you know, how much of that same group was back.

I think that they're, I wouldn't say they felt it, but they're human and then give in the idea like, hey, we have so much talent compared to everybody else. All we just have to go out there and do is just show up and play and we'll be fun. I mean, like, they still put in the work. They do all the little, they do all the pregame work and everything, but it's like, it's just, they just haven't executed. And some of that is focused and just being prepared. Like with Naylor and his struggles at first base, I'm not surprised because he wasn't an elite defensive player.

He's never been in it. He was really good. The two months he was here in Seattle, but he's never been considered an elite defensive player. I do think, you know, he had, if you recall, last year had some shoulder issues. his throwing shoulder. And he even came out of a couple games because he made some mistakes. I don't know if those have cropped up.

It does look like sometimes he has almost the yips. Like he's so cognizant and not making a mistake that he's making, he's being almost too cautious. And there are times where I don't think because of the shoulder and they're trying to protect that maybe he gets to throw as much as he wants to. The one thing is, is Josh Taylor's not going to answer anything about his injuries. He really doesn't like that at all. But, you know, like,

Like, Randy's Randy, you know, you kind of know what he is. Yeah. And honestly, like, I haven't seen Julio make the, I think I've seen one bad throw where I thought, you know, you got to hit the cutoff man. Rayleigh's had a couple bad throws where I think he was trying to hit the cutoff, man. He just didn't. And it was more of an execution flaw. It wasn't like a mental mistake. You know, Weston Wilson and stuff, those baseman mistakes and stuff, that's kind of why they're journeymen guys is because they don't execute when they're given the opportunity.

I mean, that was, we always called that the Gamal where you run the third base on a ground ball to shortstop because Ben Gamal was famous for doing that. And I even, the funniest thing, so one time I was, because they were such a, you remember that group with Gamble and those guys, they were like the worst base running team ever? And it was all mental mistakes. And I told, so one day we're like three quarters of the way

through the season, I said, the service, I said, hey, you know, I haven't seen, I go, it does feel like you guys have been a lot cleaner. I looked at your outs on the bases, everything. It's a lot better. we haven't seen the Gamel, you know, and he started laughing. That game, Gamble ran the third on a ball of the shortstop, and service got out of the dugout, stood up and stared at and pointed at me in the press box.

Like, I caused this somehow. Like, I somehow made this happen. Ben Gamble did that, and he was like staring at him. And he was waiting for me after the game. He goes, that's all on you. And I'm, no, it's not. That's like me, I was like, that's like me tweeting out about a no hitter saying I jinxed it. come on.

It's the damage curse, clearly. I mean, I do think, and maybe, I think part of this is too, though, if you think about, like last year they didn't host, you know, they didn't take control until that Houston series. They were going, and everybody thought they were going to pass Houston. They didn't, and I think when you're playing from behind a little bit and playing to catch up, the focus level and your concentration level and everything else, and that edge that Cal has talked about on.

So that ratchets up a notch. I mean, this team is famous for putting themselves in a bad position and having to play themselves out of it. I mean, I was on the trip last year where they got, they lost two or three to Cleveland, got swept by the raise, and then Chris Sale shoved it up there in Atlanta. And I went into the next day. I was like, oh, my God, these guys are fried.

And they had a little meeting, and Bobby Maggianas had a speech that I can't say on here. And Julio had an amazing game. I think he didn't have like a, he stole a cat. a ball from Michael Harris and hit a bomb or something. And then they just put it on them. And then they just rolled and they scored like 17 the next day. And then they just rolled.

And it was like, but at that point, like when we were in Tampa, I'm talking to JP who was so angry about everything about what he saw. Because that was the game where Kirby hit low on purpose. And he got, because Josh made an error. And Junior Camerre, I don't think got out the entire series. it was yeah I mean like and then all of a sudden I think sometimes when you're faced with adversity

or you're faced with the realization hey we're not as good as we think we've been that you can find a little bit more of the edge or a little more of the focus you know I had an email from a guy that had this plan to fix the Mariners and his first one was trading Bryce Miller and Michael O'Royo for Junior Camerra

and that was how they would do that but then he didn't want to put And then he goes, but then he goes, and then he had it where Caminero and Brendan Donovan would split time at third base. I'm going, what? Virginia Camerro and you want to split time with Donovan at third base? Well, June, Jr. Camerro. Yeah. Absolutely.

That's the answer. Make that guy the GM. Wow. Can't say that's the worst idea that I've heard, though, when it comes to the mirrors. So the Mariners have been. one of, if not the most aggressive team at the deadline the last two years, do you think that continues? I think they don't want to be aggressive.

I don't know how much it will result. Right. You know, just kind of where they're at and where the markets are. Like, who do we know there are sellers right now? The Mets, because they said it. Yeah. The Mets. The Mets, the Mets, the Rockies Giants.

I mean, the Rockies are actually going to sell because they have a real GM this year. Reds. you know and it's like then you start going through their rosters and like you know who do you want angels but yeah there's never been a trade with those guys unless you're talking about Mike Ford

I guess um yeah I mean like you know I guess that could change in a week but like the Red Sox suddenly aren't looking like they're inclined to move anybody and even the Orioles I mean Toronto would they Toronto has already made a selling move

technically like they traded Nance to the twins so I guess yeah but yeah it's I mean the twins aren't really even selling like it's crazy you know the Royals are they selling yeah but what I would think so yeah yeah that's the problem right you know and like obviously they're not gonna trade some of their best players like they just extended Garcia you know last the nationals probably selling in the NL maybe San Diego like yeah there's just not a lot of yeah San Diego is a weird one yeah well remember when Remember when fans we get Mal and Jerry said we're buying and selling. I mean, like that's what some of these teams are at.

It was a no-brainer last year. Those deals were like pretty simple. Hey, you needed, you had a need at third base, go get Gino. You had a need at first base go get Nailer. And they were able to get it done without giving up huge prospects. But like, you know, even like Randy a few years ago or Turner, like, you could see the fit and you could see the market. I'm like, you know, it's not like. the Giants are going to trade Helio Ramos, you know, like I can't imagine them trading him.

You know, like, he's younger and like he would help them, but I mean, you would look and say, oh, like somebody was saying when the Red Sox were going to trade, they're going to trade for Wilson Contreras. I'm like, I'm like, that's crazy. And I just don't know you have a DH and just a lot of money owed. And I don't, I don't, I'm looking at the relievers. Like I was looking at the Royals the other day and Lucas Ersig is really bad. You know, it's crazy about Jake McKinley, the field coordinator that they hired, the University Nevada coached. He coached Lucas Ursaig at Memlo. He had a pretty good relationship with him. Maybe they thinking, I mean, that's something you could see that's relatively easy to make and wouldn't

cost you major prospects is relievers that have stuff that might be slightly broken that they believe they can fix with the change in their thinking are changed mechanically. But like, is there a, you know, You know, is there a reliever out there besides Mason Miller or I guess more Han? You know, you say, oh, yeah, let's go get them or Jason Adam. Luke Weaver, Luke Weaver's an easy fit, you know. Yeah. You know, Jason Adam, some of those guys like, yeah, those are guys, I think, that are more likely to move. Yeah.

But then you also got to remember is like there's like 22 teams that believe they're competing. And that's the one area you can always feel like you can make a trade and upgrade where you always feel like you need one more leverage arm to go to your bullpen. you know and and that's i mean like obviously the rangers you look at their bullpen that's exactly what they need is more leverage arms in their bullpen now it's whether or not the owners for the rangers will green light them to do more um i think we know the mariners ownership they've actually been willing to do that and you know they kind of sometimes couch the money spent during the off season with so they have the ability to do that but

i would expect them to try and be aggressive but like aggressive to what And do you overpay, you know, in prospect capital or anything like that? What will be interesting as if they trade off the big league roster. Everybody thinks, oh, yeah, just trade Castillo. I don't think that's as simple as you think because I don't know that anybody really wants him. Yeah. So do you think that, yeah, obviously, you know, we've heard speculation that like, oh, we're willing to trade from the pitching depth and all that.

And it's like immediately followed by like, hopefully Castillo. And it's like, what is out there who's going to take him? Do you think it's possible they might consider trading like an Emerson Hancock if there's a deal that they can kind of reallocate some of their talent to other area of needs or maybe even a George Kirby? Do you think that's a possibility or is it just Castillo and we're rolling with the other five no matter what? No, I think if you're a dude, like it better be a dude. Like if Mason Miller was really out there. Yeah, if it's Mason Miller is really out there and you had to trade Kirby, you know, and two top prospects, Because it's like, it's an easy sell to the team, too.

Like, you bring in the Reaper to shut down things. I mean, like, that's, you know, it's got to be a dude. It's got to be somebody that, like, it's beyond impact. It's, like, high-level, you know, elite impact, automatic. Like, Mason Miller changes everything you do for the last three innings, and it makes it that much more difficult for a team, you know, like, you just, you know that guy's lingering. It's like, you know, you guys saw it earlier this year. It's just lingering there, waiting.

You better score now. You better score now. You better score before Moran comes up with a pocket of left user. You better have somebody else to go and make sure you can go against them. So, yeah, that'll be the big problem. This is if there is that kind of elite impact talent available that really changes it and you're willing to get up major league players for it, somebody else is willing to give up major league players for it too.

And I think the Mariners prospect capital would get to, them a lot of stuff, but I don't know that AJ Preller is looking for prospects when you trade Mason Miller. Because he gave up Leo degrees to get Mason Miller, you know. So it's like, yeah, no. I mean, you have one less year of control. You have another year of control with Mason Miller. But I mean, like, I just, I was trying to go through the bats and I was like, nah,

nah, no, you know, like, if the Royals had legit bats, yeah, if the Royals had legit bats, they wouldn't be so terrible. But I think with the one thing about Casillo is, is a fact. basketball Freddie, Seth Lugo, Michael Walker, all those guys are available that are available for a lot less money with similar results. George Kirby, if you're willing to move him, then you better get something real because he has real value.

Like if he's available on the market, and I don't really think he is, he's one of the three or four best starters on the market that would be available to a team. But does it change? Like, do the Yankees offer more if Rodon's really, really banged up? Or some of these other guys, or let's say somebody gets banged up in the next week or so. Like that changes everything.

Now, I feel like I ask you this every time you come on the show, but because the clock continues to wind down on, you know, especially Logan Gilbert's club control, is there any inclination here that they might be working towards an extension here to keep him here long term? Obviously, because there's also, you know, the lockout to have to worry about here.

Like, if you don't think that you're going to extend him and then maybe want to explore trades, there's obviously, you know, potentially going to be a pretty small window to do that. And then you got to worry about, like, you know, if there's lost games and how that impacts value and all that stuff. So any inclination they might be, you know, trying to get that done, trying to get an extension done. Not that I've heard.

I mean, I haven't really talked to Logan about it in a while. He kind of told me he didn't really want to do it in season if they were doing it. But that can change because 90% of the conversations are worth the agent and not the player. I think he's still with Jet Sports or whatever they're, wherever they moved to because they merged with another company. Yeah, I always kind of thought, and I thought, and I kind of heard rumblings early in spring training that they thought they might get something done with Wu during there because it's like, you know, he didn't get the Super 2 status. He missed it by a week because of the injuries. And so like, I felt like, and then Wu being a West Coast kid, being super tight with Cal, you know, all that stuff and you know he spends a lot more time in the seattle area than a lot of those guys do i

thought that would be more workable i mean bryce would be an easy one too because he just wants to be able to buy his ranch down in texas so um but i haven't heard anything maybe woo's struggles on the road or you know made them take a step back i mean if you're logan though you're you're one year away from 200 million dollars yeah you know i don't care what i don't care what the salary structure is moving forward. He's getting paid. You know, he's getting, he's getting over 150. I mean, hell, Randy's going to get 125 now after this year. You know, right-handed bat. You know, I don't think Boston's going to take a look at him or the Mets, right-handed bat that is produced. Yeah, I just think the Logan situation and with the lockout, it changes a lot of

stuff too, because even if they want to trade them in the off-season, you want to get maximum value. Yeah. You have the lockout to deal with, so what does that give them? from the World Series was first week of November to December 4th or something December 1st yeah so three weeks I think we're going to see a lot of signings and trades during that time but I don't know that you can maneuver that well especially when we're talking about trading a guy with just one year left of club control teams are obviously going to wonder like how many games am i actually going to get this guy for especially a starting pitcher right like if say his you know expected starts go from 30 to 25 20 whatever like

Like, how does that impact the trade value? Yeah, that's something that we've talked a lot about on here. Colby, you got anything else for Ryan? You think Logan is in, like, long term with marriage? He just talked about how much you love Dan Wilson. Like, do you think there's any shot they get a deal done before Logan test for agency, essentially? I think maybe about a 40% chance.

Could be more. I mean, maybe what we see in the last month changes their minds. I think there was some hesitation too last year after the flexor stuff and everything. Yeah. And, you know, giving him that deal because it's going to cost you more than you gave Castillo or Ray. And they have been hesitant to do that on some level. But I think he doesn't body a lot of what you teach and you want your players to be like.

I think that's the thing. I think Logan wants to be a mariner, but I think he wants it to be fair. And I don't think he wants, obviously, he'd be taking some of it. level of discount probably, but I don't think he, you know, he's not just giving away his talent. I think it's easier to be less committed when you're a year away. You know, honestly, I thought if, if they were really going to get something done and finalize, it would have had to been last year somewhere like midway through last year and then the injury happened.

You know, I thought maybe something what happens from training of last year, that they were working on Cal and some other stuff, and then the injury happened with Logan and then you're like, okay, maybe we have to reassess. So that may be something as well as that, you know, what they view is what his potential for injury is and all this other stuff is part of that. Usually when you're willing to give a six or seven year deal to a pitcher, you pretty much know there's going to be one this season due to the injuries because that's just the nature of pitching.

Lastly, before we let you go here, obviously, a Mariners celebrating 50 seasons coming up here in a couple of weeks. There's going to be the 50 all-time mariners that we voted on, that members of the media voted on. Did you submit a ballot, I assume you did? I submitted one for our times when I didn't do one for the Mariners. I figured they had enough people. So, I mean, Guillermo Kirillus was like third. And, you know, and then Guillermo Heredia was second for me.

But, like, you know, Tom Figgins won. Yeah, Jeremy Reed, Richie Saxon. Jose Vidro Yeah Leaver Yeah I sound like Felix in that commercial

On James Woo Yong Louis Young That was one of the best commercials Because Cliff Lee's just staring at And he's got that goofy Grin on his face

And he just keeps going Like he had such good comedic time So Is there a guy that you would You would like to see Make that team though? That

Probably There's on a world line or yeah that's like maybe in question you know what i'm a i'm a i'm a sucker for catcher so i feel like zanino should be on there just because i had to watch a lot of i had to watch a lot of i had to watch a lot of really really bad catching for a long time you know i mean i was kenji jojima jeff clement ronson yellow levo yeah retriever baby yeah he's just the late haysus montaro rest in peace i mean i r i p yeah john jay jay jay so not a great catcher you know and and so when they got sanino and you got a really good catcher

it was it was just like a breath of fresh air you know and so it was like i would love i would i would have i don't know if you'll make it or not like i guess i think we voted for him we did an episode where we where we filled out a ballot i think we voted for sinino right i mean we had like 60s we're like oh yeah no problem and then we're like uh we got a lemonade 10 at these guys. Yeah, I think Sino made the cut. Yeah, I mean, like, he was here for how many years?

Like four? Six, I think. Yeah. Part of, yeah, five and a half years, something like that. Yeah. I mean, like, I would think he'd make it. I mean, it'll be interesting to see. Honestly, I'm pretty bummed. He's not in the alumni home run derby. I think that's the perfect guy. I know.

I know. I'm supposed to Felix is supposed to call me here I was just going to write a story on him coming and I was going to try and talk to Seeger about I'm sure he's not coming back, but Yeah. Oh, that's breaking news. Yeah, well, I don't,

I think that's the most, the most anticipated news that we all knew. But if he shows up, I'll be stunned. But he's also, I think, honestly, though, I was told his son is playing in that big Cooperstown elite tournament. And so,

so Seeger from, a few times I've talked to him he's embracing the dad life he wears the short he wears the short khaki shorts and the hokas and coaches third you know so heck yeah yeah dad zanino was here for six seasons

for parts of six seasons yeah yeah I mean like do you guys remember like I mean I don't know you guys know how bad it was and like and just how much he affected he made the pitching staff better you know and he had some there was some funny stories about him too. I think a lot of people view him as a bust

and it's like, I don't think you understand the hit rate of, you know, top five picks, you know, in major league baseball. Like I was a really good player. I mean, honestly, like, the first round hit rate is better than it's ever been. But like, I think people believe that first round picks should always be almost like generational.

And like, if you get eight to ten years out of a first round pick or if you sign them to a second contract, if you sign them out of their club, that means you've won. I mean, just getting, like, you're just getting a pick below the fifth round to the big leagues or a senior draft pick that you're, you know, like Ben Williamson was a win for their development and draft. I'm just getting them there.

You know, it's, I think people don't really get the draft or prospects and stuff, like how it is to get there and stay there. It's not a big, no, it's huge win. It's a huge win. It's better. I mean, but, like, you saw Bladay playing last night. Like, think of my hundred kid players went after JJ Bladay in that. after and like and the a's don't usually screw that up very often like that you know and that was nays was the

reds race um race tape laudette marlins marlins yeah yeah i was telling somebody when i went to marlins the one year like one of the first years at interleague and they had ozier fernandez d gordon stanton christian yelich is rookie year oh zuzuna yeah yeah prado they had they were so freaking good. Justin Boer. Yeah. Justin Boer. Yeah.

It was crazy how good they were. Oh, real Moodo was like real Moodo was the catcher. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That team was nuts.

Ryan, really appreciate your time, man. You know, thanks again for your insight and for hopping on with us. It was a pleasure. Yeah.

And don't ever post that dancing video about the thing again. That's terrifying. Oh, God. Hey, I'm coming to Seattle in a couple weeks. I'm doing that as soon as I see. you.

Frighting. Frighting. All right. See you guys. All right. Well, there you have it. That is going to do it for our show.

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