Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Seattle Mariners Find Themselves in Familiar Territory Heading Towards DECISIVE Game 5

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

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The link in the description. So the Mariners dropped Game 4 of the ALDS yesterday, 9 to 3.3. They were up 3-0 in the 5. inning, but the Tigers go on to score nine unanswered runs to take back momentum in the series and force a game five in Seattle tomorrow night at 508 p.m. Pacific. Terrick Scoobel, of course, is going in that one. That is pretty scary. We don't know yet who the marons are throwing, but we'll talk about Scoobble and who could take the bump for the M's a little later on in

this show. But first, you know, just to get the ball rolling here, let's put yesterday's game to rest, right? You know, we decided to hold off on talking about it until today, mostly because I felt like, you know, we'd basically do the same show yesterday that we're going to wind up doing now. I also just wanted to sit on the game a little bit more, just kind of think about it a little bit more. And also, I was just salty, right?

And I just needed to get through my saltiness. I needed to cope. But yeah, yeah, this was a heart. breaker. Mostly because the first four innings went almost perfectly for the Marys. Now, like, yeah, they missed out on an opportunity there to add even more runs to their tally and that base is loaded. Nobody Out situation. They only get one. Horace Polanco barely misses a home run that would have made things five nothing before everything kind of just went off the rails. But, you know, Bryce Miller gave you 12, actually 13 clean-ins.

outs. You know, you're up three nothing against a tiger's offense that has been just toothless all series long, except for when they've faced Caleb Ferguson. Tigers fans are booing. Just the atmosphere in that ballpark isn't great. Just kind of seems like they're done. And then all of a sudden, that game flips on its head. And, you know, look, we can talk all we want about Randy's bad route.

on that double that drove in the tiger's first run we can talk about dan taking dom can zone out of the game super early but in the end the reason that you lost it's very simply because two of your most sturdy guys in your bullpen game spire and edward bizardo just didn't have it they just got beat it's as simple as that it can absolutely be just as simple as that and the playoffs it sucks. The timing of it, just absolutely, absolutely awful. Yeah, I mean, there's really not anything you can do about it is also the, I mean, again, there's some things you can nitpick about the management of the game, but nothing really that is egregious or anything like that. I don't like taking Canzone out, but that wouldn't have made Gabe Spire or Bizarro pitch better.

So there's really just not much you can do about it because in that same situation, you're going to those same guys. Again, if it happens in game five, you're going to the same guys. Like, why wouldn't you? They've been nails for 95% of the season. For Spire, it's been like 98% of the season. Yeah. And even if you went out at the deadline and you got yawned or Ron or another reliever or whatever,

you would still, you still would have to trust Edward Bizarro and Gabe Spire in these situations. Right. Like at the end of the day, it's very simply, those guys weren't good enough yesterday. And it stinks because it kind of, you know, puts a, a mark on what has been two like incredible seasons from both of those guys and and they went from you know spire like we don't really know who he is and bizardo people were saying he shouldn't have

even made the team he should have been dFAed last year and all of that to like no those are two guys we're going to build out the rest of our bullpen behind for 2026 and probably beyond they're both club controlled they're both really good they both took steps this year like and they just didn't have it yesterday both of them on the same day like that is that is not something you can for and it's not something you can predict and it happened and you know it's it's one of those things where i know people don't like to hear it they don't like when people say it because it sounds like it's an excuse but so much of what happens in the playoffs is about luck like you have to have luck on your side and uh because you know there's no reason to think that gave spire would struggle like you did

yesterday there's no reason to think that bizardo would struggle like you did yesterday and they did and it's the only explanation for it is that's baseball sometimes guys don't have it and they struggle and it just happens at this time. So like the winning the division and and, you know, making the playoffs and all, like that's skill because it's over 162 games and talent rises to the top and all that. In a playoff series, the shorter the series, the luckier you have to get. And the Mariners got unlucky yesterday. I mean, like, forget the bullpen decisions for a second.

If Jorge Polanco like holds his swing like one one hundredth of a second longer, that ball stays fair and the mayor are up 5 to nothing and they win that game like it's over at that point it is absolutely over there's no chance Detroit can muster much of a comeback plus you have a larger margin for error so you might go to Brash you might go to Kirby you might go to

Munoz earlier than you would have like that that's the difference right there they only get one with the basis load nobody out and all that too but like it really is just a margin of error of almost nothing and it doesn't matter if you're the better team on paper in a best of five playoff series because

in a one game sample, literally anything can happen. And that is what the playoffs are. It's just a series of one game samples. You make the best decisions you can. You hope for the best. But at the end of the day, if a guy's just going to struggle that day, that could be your season. Like your season might be over because your best player had a bad day.

And that's just what happens in the playoffs. And in the regular season, you deal with it. You move on. You play again tomorrow. It's not a big deal. You accept it. And that's just part of the game. In the playoffs, it doesn't work that way.

So so much of success in the playoffs, It's just luck. You have to be lucky. It's be healthy. You have hot at the right time. You guys have to not blow up. And these are the guys. I mean,

you have to be lucky. You also have to execute. You have to execute. Right. They didn't. But again. But again, it's still about luck.

Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it takes real skill and real talent to get into the playoffs for the most part. Sometimes you can get lucky and get in. But at the end of the day, when you're talking about a one game sample size, a winner takes all, that's it like terrick scuba is going to win the sion award this year yeah what if he goes out there

and he only goes four innings and he gives up six runs and he has his worst start of the year like that's just bad luck on the tiger's part there's nothing you can do about it because that stuff still happens it just it happened to happen in an elimination game same goes for the mariners they had a chance to put that game to bed yesterday they go to their two best guys before munoz and they both stink. Like that's just, that's bad luck, you know, and not to take anything away from the tigers, you know, they, they took advantage of poor execution, but those guys just didn't have it yesterday. And it stinks because you had to sit there and watch it. And you're like, this isn't, you know, there isn't anybody to blame, really. Like, there's nobody to get mad at because Spire and

Bizarro are entitled to have bad days because, A, they're humans, be, their professional athletes. and see they've been really, really, really good for the previous 160, or 5 games at that point. And the other thing, too, is like the Tigers have seen a lot of them at this point in the series, which, you know, we'll also talk about that with Scoobble a little later on from the Mariners side of things. But like, Tigers have seen a lot of these two guys, especially Spire. They've seen a ton of Spire in this series. You know, you have the book on a guy. And once you have the book on a guy, like, yeah, if he makes a lot of,

a mistake you're probably going to make them pay for it and spire made a couple of mistakes yesterday and they jumped all over them and you know that's when things just completely got out of hand when it was three to three and he was able to get out of that without giving up the lead or without uh or without without giving the lead to the tigers uh i was like okay new ball game that sucks but i still feel pretty good i still feel pretty good that this offense especially because kowl finnigan's already been burned. I feel pretty good that they're going to be able to get more here. But yeah, the offense just didn't have it really either yesterday. I mean, just and, you know, once the tigers exploded and they scored four more and it

became seven to three buys that's at home run. It just felt like the soul got taken from the Mariners and there was just nothing left there. You know, thankfully after the game, though, they weren't really, you know, focused on it. they can't afford to be right but hey you know sometimes you might hear quotes of like man you know it just sucks like it felt like we really had that game and blah blah blah blah blah blah you know they were just on to game five which great awesome you know we can we can linger on it that's the fans us the you know the podcasters and all that we can linger on that we can talk about how god that's such a missed opportunity but those guys absolutely cannot afford to do that and it seems like they're

taking the right man mentality heading into friday and by the way the tigers literally really just done the same thing. They got their doors blown off in game three and they came back and they won game four. Yeah. Like it happens, you know, in the playoffs.

Sometimes there are still blowouts in the playoffs. There are still, you know, bad games in the playoffs. You just hope you have another opportunity when those happen to make up for it. And the Mariners do. Granted, it'll be very difficult.

But yeah, it just one of those games where it just felt like, you know, man, they've had a couple opportunities to just deliver that shot and, you know, put them to bed. And they didn't quite get it. They tacked on one run, but it's like, man, they could have gotten two or three there. There was a couple, you know, the polo foul ball would have made it five to nothing.

And you're just like, man, if that had gone fair, like three nothing, you still felt pretty good about it, especially after what Miller had given you. But it was still, it's three to nothing. It's one swing of the bat. And you're right back in the game. And so it was just a bummer. But, you know, all things considered, like if the Mariners do indeed lose this series on Friday, it's not going to be yesterday's game that I remember.

It's going to be game one. All the way back in game one. When they should have won that game. And if they had, this series would have been over. You know, and so we'll see. Maybe it won't matter at all. Maybe the Mariners can beat Scoobel for a fourth time. Certainly, it's one game of baseball.

Like I said earlier, the sample sizes are all, there is no sample size. It's just one game. Whoever plays better, whoever, you know, they're going to win. It's a game to game basis. It's an out-to-out basis. That's right. So could the Mariners beat Scoobel for a four? time? Yes.

Are they a favorite to do it? No, probably not, but could they? Yeah, absolutely. All right. So let's talk about Tarek Scouble in this game five. The Mariners have to overcome him once more in order to advance to the ALCS for the first time since 2001. We'll talk about that in just a moment. But first, a reminder, this episode of the Lockdownerrorist podcast is brought to you by Ruggiat. Fellas, you've probably heard of Viagra or Cialis. Maybe you've even tried them. But if you're looking for something beyond the usual pill, it's time to meet Rougiet Go Long. This isn't just another ED pill. It's a total game changer for confidence. Go Long combines two doctor-trusted medications and one dual action formula so you can get hard

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M's, Tigers, they've gone back and forth. Tigers won game one, Maras won back-to-back games. Tigers punch back yesterday. And now it feels like we're in a pretty similar situation to where we were after game one where the tigers have their guy,

Terek Scoobel, the presumed AL Sy Young Award winner, maybe the best pitcher in the entire game, at least the second best pitcher behind Paul Skeens after breaking the Mariners' hearts. We'll see if the Mariners can punch right back like they did in game two with their backs against the wall. And I mean, in that game they were essentially fighting for their season like we talked about after that one

Friday they are absolutely fighting for their season no if sands or butts about it like you lose your season is done and you know we haven't come this this whole way and done all these podcasts over the course of the season and watch these first four playoff games and all that gone along on this ride just for me to get on here and tell you it's over it's done they're cooked i'm not going to do that because like you said colby in the first segment it's baseball and they have handled tarick scubel pretty well this year now i think a little too much is being made of that i do think there's a little too much being put into the narrative of beating him three times already just because look this guy is so so so good eventually

i just feel like eventually he's going to get you right like eventually that just can't go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever however however yeah could it go on for at least one more game sure yeah absolutely but also i mean any other pitcher if he goes seven innings and gives up two runs and strikeouts strikes out 10 guys you would say he got you yeah like on that day so like you could argue that he has gotten them a couple times and the mayors have still found a way to beat him or at least beat the tigers with him on the mound however you want to phrase it right Yeah, man, it's it's tough.

There's no way around it. It's a difficult situation to be up against. And, you know, the odds aren't really in your favor, but it's baseball. You know, that's just the way it goes. And it's not like you're going to be throwing a bum up there against them. I mean, I don't know. The Blue Js beat Cam Schlittler yesterday with a bullpen day. Like, it's just one of those things where.

You can keep the game close. You can maybe even find a way to have a lead after you get him out of the game. You can attack this bullpen. We know this bullpen can be vulnerable. And you've seen their high leverage guys, basically in every single game. So you have plenty of data on them and you can attack and you can add on or you can come back. So it really is about keeping the game as close as you possibly can when scuba out there, finding a way to scrape a run or two off of him and then attacking the bullpen.

And hopefully you get scuba out of the game. you know, six, maybe seven innings. I mean, if he goes eight or nine, I mean, it's going to be really tough to beat him. But he might though, even if he gives up two or three, they might just be like, we don't, we don't trust anyone else to throw here. We're just going with Terek. Like that's, you know, that's elimination game type of stuff. So we'll see. But I mean, like at the end of the day, you'd probably like scuba throwing pitches 100 to 125 is probably not as good as scubble throwing.

throwing pitch one through, you know, 99. Sure. So, yeah, we'll see how it goes. Again, it's a very tough matchup. We know this. We know the Mariners have beaten him three times. We know that he's still thrown well against him and all but one of those three starts. And we know the Mariners have a pretty good game plan.

They've been able to at least, you know, get him out of games at a reasonable time. And they've been able to string some long innings and long at bats against him. And that's just kind of how it has to go. And then when he does make the mistake, you have to take advantage of it. hopefully more than just Polo can do that on Friday. It'd be nice if you could get a couple guys on before Polo hits a big home run if he does. But like, yeah, we'll have to see. It's a tough draw.

There's no question about it. Again, this is back in game after game one. I, you know, I posted on social media. I don't really see a path forward for them to win the series because they have to beat Scoobel at least once and probably twice. And here we are. And I still feel the same way. I don't feel great about their odds of winning this game, but they're not zero. Like it's not over.

They're not, it's not low even. Like it's not above 50% in my mind, but it's 40%, 45% chance to win this game. And that's a lot. That is a good, that's a pretty good chance to win a game when the other team has a pitching advantage over you in a one game playoff. Like it just, it really is, again, it's going to be difficult. There's going to be, it's going to be nauseating. If the tigers jump out to an early three, four, nothing lead, might be game over. So it really is important that you find a way you have to be within one or two

in this entire game. You can't be down by three or four runs with scoble on the mound. You're down one to nothing. That's fine. I mean, it's not great, but it's fine. Two to nothing, still doable. You start getting three, four runs and you get five down. It's over. So like, it's just one of those things where you have, your pitching has to keep it close. Dan has to be willing to use everybody in any spot. And if that means using Munoz in the third or whatever, he has to be willing to do stuff like that because giving up a third run in this game more than likely means you've lost.

But, you know, maybe for all we know, Scoobel is going to go out there and he's going to go five innings and the Mariners are going to score six runs off of them. Like, it's baseball. It's weird. The Mariners have a good lineup. So it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

but I expect this to be a stress-filled game. I think the lead isn't going to jump by more than one or two runs for the entire night. And I think it's going to come down to those last, you know, the last three out. I think we head to the bottom of the ninth or the top of the ninth with either team, just, you know, one swing of the bat away from winning this game. And so I expect it to be close. I expect it to be nerve-wracking.

And we'll see who steps up and, you know, how the ball bounces. but it does stink that you put yourself in a position where you do now have to beat him twice in five days, which after having beaten him twice, you know, you had an opportunity to end this thing yesterday. You had an opportunity to end it in game one, really. You didn't take advantage, and now it all hinges on this. And, you know, hopefully we'll see. I mean, who knows? We have no idea how this is going to end.

Again, I don't love their odds of winning, but I'm not going to say here and tell you that they absolutely can't win or that it's over because it's not. We have seen much stranger things than Mariners beating Terrick Scoobel this year. Yeah. Look, he's so, so, so, so good. But you just saw him in his last start. You're going to see him.

You know, it's going to be on normal rest, but you're going to see him again. I don't imagine that he's going to make too, too many adjustments. You have the book on him. You were able to put together some really nice at bats against him in game two. Even when you didn't come away with runs, you were able to take a piece of him with you from several innings.

And when he did make a couple of mistakes and when his command did start to fade, you took advantage of it. Well, Jorge Polanco specifically took advantage of it. I don't think Corey Polanco is going to hit two home runs on this game. I dare him to. I dare him to. That would be great.

He does build a statue. Yeah. But you're going to, so in all, you know, in all likelihood, need someone else. You might need a couple of somebody else's to do this. Yeah. But they had a pretty good game plan against them last time.

I assume it's going to be mostly the same game plan again this time around. And it's just best on best. And it wouldn't hurt if you had a weird little thing go your way, like a ball that just barely nicks the chalk line down the right field line for a double. instead of being a foul ball. Maybe a ball that kicks off a rock and flies over, buys his head. Like, you know, those little lucky bounces that we talk about all the time,

those game of inches, it wouldn't hurt if a couple of those went your way either. But those are things you cannot control. So you're just kind of, you know, you're at the whim of baseball. And she is, I'm not sure what words I'm allowed to use here, but she is fickle and she is unforgiving and unpredictable and you just kind of have to roll with it and it is what it is it's again it sucks they put yourself in this position

absolutely it sucks and if they lose this game it's going to be a disappointing end to a you know a season we'll talk about I'm sure we'll talk about this a lot if they lose this series isn't a disappointing year is it still a good year blah blah blah that's for that's for Monday show um well if they lose hopefully not yeah hopefully not hopefully we don't have to answer that question But if we do, we'll talk about it, I'm sure, on Monday. But, yeah, it's going to be tough. It's going to be nerve-wracking. It's going to be painful or it's going to be one of the best moments in franchise history.

You know, and that's sports, baby. And that's why we watch. And that's why we often wonder, why do we watch this? Because there's like a good probability that just ends in pain. And, you know, I think locked on twins hosts, Brandon Warren said it the best. You have to enjoy the ride. You just have to enjoy the ride because, the destination is going to suck for 29 teams every year.

Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know, but it doesn't make it. But there's also levels of suck. Sure. I just again, I don't want to get into this unless we have to. Uh, which really only happens if they lose on Friday. They go to the ALCS.

I don't care if they get swept. We're not going to stay here and tell you that's a disappointing season. Um, but it is, you know, we'll have to see, we'll have to see how it goes. Again, I don't love the odds, but it's one game of, a baseball odds mean nothing in one single game of baseball yeah I feel like if the tigers win this game it's going to be like four to nothing yeah I feel like if the mirrors when it's going to be two to one two to one and 13 innings it's going to be a walk off wild pitch or something crazy leo rivas walk off what have you done once or something I don't know yeah leo rivas is going to

Carlos Gien this thing. Yeah, it's going to be something like, if the mirror is when it's going to be crazy, it's going to be the most. The Dylan Moore versus Josh Hader. Yeah. Hit by pitch slash bunts slash whatever. Yeah, it's going to be the most unpredictable, stupid, most roundabout way of winning the series because that's how this entire series is gone.

They lost the bullpen game in game one. They beat Scoobo in game two. They blew the three nothing lead yesterday. like yeah they've had an easy opportunities to win this series they've gone no we're good we're going to take the hard route and uh you know they're they're doing that again here in this game and like it and so i i assume that if they do win this game just because mariners and because how of how this series has gone that if they win this game it's going to be in just the most roundabout way possible honestly though it might be even more mariner if they just

drop like eight runs and they smoked them. Yeah. I mean the other thing that I would say too is like hey at the very least and I said this you know after they won game three like at worst you know you go you go back home you get to play one more playoff game in the series

at home you're going to be on your turf with your fans you know the atmosphere that you prefer all that I do think that there is something to that and I hope you guys, if you're listening and you're going to the game tomorrow night,

you make Tarek Scoubles life a living hell. Count down the pitch clock, chant his name, all that stuff that we see other fan bases do. Make his life a living hell, right? Just do literally anything to maybe potentially just throw, and maybe you don't, right? Maybe you don't. Maybe he's just so locked in. And he probably is. He's really good.

He's so, so good. but just anything that might throw him off do it we'll see how it goes tomorrow it's going to be a fascinating game but the most fascinating aspect of this really is who are the mer is going to counter scoble with talk about that in just a moment but first a reminder this episode of the lock on mare's podcast is brought to you once again by game time there's nothing like catching a baseball game live the energy the crowd the chance to see your team in person but actually getting tickets that's the tough part. Cues, login screens, surprise fees.

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So we know who's starting for the Tigers. Colby, who's starting for the Mariners? You're going with George Kirby on five days rest? or are you going with Luis Castillo on normal rest? Yeah, it's an interesting question because obviously George on the extra day rest is nice. But George's stuff probably plays up in the bullpen better than Luis. So, yeah, it's kind of one of those things like how do you want to start the game? It is, you know, the first inning is very important.

You really want to throw up a zero. and you know that, you know, Carrie Carpenter is going to be one of the first three hitters, and he kind of owns George Kirby. But in general, like, you probably prefer the stuff of Kirby to the stuff of Luis. And it feels like you're going to need, you know, big time stuff to match scuba. However, Luis has beaten scuba twice this year, both times at T-Mobile. So it's kind of one of those things where it's like they're pros and cons for each one. I think we're going to see both of them anyway.

So it doesn't really matter all that much who you start. My hunches is that Luis gets the start and he goes through the lineup once, maybe one and a half times. And then Kirby comes in and pitches, you know, for one time through the lineup. And then they kind of go to their spire, bizardo, brash, Munoz mix. Um, yeah. So my hunches is that Luis gets the ball. I, I, I think both options are viable. I, I think if I were making the call, I'd probably give it to George just because he has the extra day. But that carry carpenter, uh, matchup is, is scary? And you know you're going to get at least once, uh, if you start curvy. So now is carpenter leading off? Cause I actually like the idea of Kirby facing carpenter with nobody on. worse happens it's won nothing but uh yeah i think i would probably pick kirby i think it'll ultimately be castillo with kirby coming in in relief and i think that's fine i don't have a problem with that uh but i think i would probably pick kirby it's all hands on deck here i mean

logan gilbert only through 85 pitches uh not that he's going to start but could he give you an an inning yeah he probably could if you really need it and so uh really is all hands on deck there's nobody who should be, you know, off limits. Everybody, they had the day off today, obviously. And, you know, Brash and Munoz didn't even pitch yesterday. So they're obviously going to be very fresh and ready to go. So I think you'll see both of those guys in this game. My hunch is they give it to the veteran.

They let Louis start. And Kirby's on standby. He probably starts the game out in the bullpen. And he's probably the first guy they go to out of the pen. Because you got to do what you got to do, you know? And would it stink to burn both of these guys? in game five and yeah it probably would but like Logan was probably starting game one either way and one of these guys assuming neither assuming both of them don't throw a hundred pitches you know

they could one of them is going to be able to start game two uh probably would be Kirby because you'd be on the road but um I think it's Luis for at least one time through or well or until he runs into trouble and then you have to have a quick hook but I think Lewis gets the ball and then I I think Kirby comes in. He's the first guy out of the bullpen. And it's not a lot of experience or anything, but Kirby does have, you know, has come out of the bullpen in the playoffs before. Yeah.

For one inning. So, again, I really, I really, though. Yeah. I get it either side. Like, whatever, whatever Dan decides, I think it's justifiable. I think you can totally make it work. And I understand it. It's just, you know, if I were, I would probably start with George just a higher upside.

But I think Luis is the veteran. And, you know, he, that's this game, he's the rock. And he's beating scoble twice already. And he pitches very well at Team Mobile Park. So I think both are viable. I would probably pick Kirby. I think ultimately they'll pick Castillo and I'm fine with that. I think I go Castillo and then hand it off to Kirby.

Now, I would be willing to go with Cassio. as long as he can keep things clean. Yeah. And then just reassess. Again, we're on an out-to-out basis in the playoffs, especially in an elimination game. So just see how much you can get out of Luis. See what he looks like the first time to the order against,

you know, the Kerry Carpenter's and the Riley Greens of the world. And then, and just reassess, you know, once, you know, carpenter comes back up. I assume he is going to hit lead off again.

Once he comes. comes back up, then, you know, just how do you feel about letting Luis face someone a second time? You know, again, like, you are facing maybe the best pitcher in the game. Two nothing, even a three, you know, a three nothing, even a two nothing lead might be the end of your season. Yep. With how well that guy can throw the ball. So every run is so precious. So, I mean, like, I would even, if it really comes down to it, like, say, like, they get a couple of guys on.

and Carpenters up there in the third inning, you might have to go to Spire. Yep. So you're, you are re-evaluating your plan. Essentially every pitch, not even every batter, every pitch. And you have to be sitting,

Dan has to be sitting next to, you know, Pete and his guys, the entire game and just talking through like, okay, is now, the time to get somebody up is now the time to get somebody hot is now the time to you know you have to be very careful because your margin of error against scubel is basically zero so yeah uh it really is a difficult

thing it'll be the toughest thing that that dan's had to do and it's it's something i wish that he you know had been doing for a decade like a j hitch because those are the things that can make the big difference in these one in one baseball game or one baseball game matters unfortunately managers also matter and the Mariners are at a huge disadvantage there. Not that Dan did anything wrong yesterday. I'm not making this at the Dan problem from yesterday. But we know that it's more about Hinch. What you're saying is more about Hinch than Dan.

I mean, Hinch won his thousandth game yesterday. Like there's just so much more experience. There's championship experience there. He's managed like a hundred games in the playoffs. Yeah. And Dan Wilson is managing his fifth. Yeah. And he's already made some really questionable decisions in this in this playoff series.

So who knows. But yeah, every pitch is a reevaluation of what you want to do, what you need to do with your bullpen. And this will be Dan's, you know, greatest challenge. And hopefully he's up for it. I don't have a lot of confidence that he is. As we said, you know, a week ago when I told you my confidence level in him was two out of ten. But, you know, he can go along. way in building up a reputation here if he makes the right calls at the right time and you know he might

make the right call at the right time and it might not work that's just the gig but yeah like yesterday like i saw people saying like oh he shouldn't have let spire go out to face riley green what was your other option that you felt legitimately good about like i know spire didn't look good in the inning prior but like that's the guy that you're using spire against like spire is specifically so important to this series to get Riley Green and Carrie Carpenter out. And for the most part, he's been very good at it. He wasn't yesterday. So it just,

it happens. Yeah. So like you said, like Dan can push the right buttons here and it still doesn't work. It's just process or results. What's the process sound? If the process is sound, I can live with the results of what happens.

Yeah. And sometimes it might be murky. by the way sometimes it might be a little bit like yeah that could have gone either way I can kind of see how he came to that decision in hindsight yeah I don't know it's not always as clean as we would like and and and even in the moment I felt kind of unsettled about it but I also like kind of understood it like there's also things like that right um but yeah so like a lot of this is on Dan you know just pushing the right buttons but ultimately you gotta have a very similar game that you had in game to

where you're just annoying scoobble enough you wear him down just enough where he shows you a couple of cracks and you have to take advantage of that when it happens and on the flip side you have to match him pitching wise if you don't and you find yourself down three nothing for nothing, potentially even to nothing,

that might be your season. Just because that guy is just so good. He's so good. And, you know, he's also going to be pitching in that ballpark, Timel will park. The Mariners might get some great swings off of him and they might have nothing to show for it in the end.

They might hit 10 balls at 105 mile per hour plus off of him and they all die at the warning track. Baseball is baseball So you know You just have to put you Dan has to put his guys in the best position to succeed And you know At that point

The rest is just best on best and we see what happens That's going to do it for our show We will be back after the game tomorrow No matter what happens Either we're talking about a huge Series win and a huge, huge. Biggest wins in Mariners history.

Yeah. Make no mistake about it. And just a huge statement to overcome Terrick Schuble again. Or we're talking about the end of this season, which has been a lot of fun to cover. And it has been a ton of fun to talk about with you guys, especially over the last few weeks. And, you know, we'll sit on it for the weekend and we'll get back after it on Monday. mailbag Monday and start getting into our offseason stuff. But I'm hoping we can push that off a little bit longer.

And I think we can. And another four games sounds nice. And I just, I really think that so much more is possible for this team and for us. And yeah, I, I just, I don't think that this has to be the end of the road.

I really don't. So see how goes. And then we'll talk to you on the show. tomorrow. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast for Colby Pat Dodd. I'm Tadeng Gazzalas. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Tadine G and Colby at C-Pat 11. That's C-PAT-1-1. We're also on Blue Sky. You can follow me at MLB Colby in the show at Lockdown Mariners. You can also find us on Instagram at Lockdown Mariners. Have yourself a beautiful baseball day and we'll see you next time.

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