Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Seattle Mariners Make MORE Coaching Changes + BIGGEST Takeaways From Jerry Dipoto's Media Session

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

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The Mariners have made more coaching changes, and Jerry DePoto has opened up about what went wrong this season, why these changes have been made, and what he hopes to accomplish in the coming weeks. Or react to some of it coming up. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors.

It is Monday, September 28, 2026. My name is Tadangazilis. I'm joined as always by my coach. Colby Patnode. Today's episode is brought to you by Calci. For a limited time, download Calci and use the promo code locked on to get $25 when you trade $25. Calci, trade what's next? On today's show, we'll give you our biggest takeaways from Jerry to Potos media session earlier this afternoon at T-Mobile Park. That media session came shortly after the team officially announced that in addition to Dan Wilson, bench coach Mani Acta, first base coach Eric Young Jr.,

infield coach Perry Hill and hitting coach Kevin Siteser will not return in 2027. DePoto said that he does not expect any further coaching changes and confirmed that pitching coaches Pete Woodworth and Trent Blank will return next season, noting that he did not want the pitching staff second half struggles this year to outweigh their successes over the last half decade. He also noted that Edgar Martinez will return in some capacity, but made it sound like it would be, in some sort of altered role. DePoto also said that today's coaching moves were made at least in part to clear way for the next manager to build out their own staff, specifically on the position player's side of things.

So, Colby, let's start with your reaction to these moves today. And DePoto saying about these moves in a statement released by the team, quote, I will always have the utmost respect and appreciation for these men, each of whom made meaningful contributions to our team. but after much reflection, we have determined that significant changes are required as we look toward 2027 and beyond. What do you think? Yeah, not at all surprised. Most of these moves were expected.

I guess the only thing I'm a little bit surprised by is that this sounds like this is it. So there's going to be holdovers in both, obviously both pitching coaches, but also apparently Austinola and And Cardoza are both going to return. Danny Farquhar. Yep. So we'll see how that goes. Mostly the guys on the pitching side of things are all returning. But yeah, it does, it doesn't surprise me.

A, because, like, you had to do this. If you're going to fire Dan Wilson, you have to give the new manager an opportunity to bring in some of his own guys. And Dan Wilson wasn't given that opportunity. Was it because he didn't have, like, his. own guys because he never managed before. Yeah, that was probably part of it. And the Mariners very clearly, you know, as demonstrated today, want to learn from some of the mistakes they made in the last hiring process. And part of that is like, look, we have to bring in people from outside who have their own ideas, their own opinions, we can maybe teach us some things that we're

blind to. And, you know, you have to allow for the new manager to do that. And if you want the new manager to come in and set a new culture or set a new, you know, level of accountability that you didn't have this year, it's kind of tough to do that and then dictate his entire coaching staff to him. It just doesn't make any sense. Look, you know, Manny Act is a great guy. Perry Hill is a great guy, and those are great, you know, baseball coaches. So is Kevin Sitzer, like very well thought of baseball men in general in the industry and all that. But look, at the end of the day, you know, you made questionable decisions, you know, in game management. And apparently Manny had a big hand in that this year. And last year, you made, you were a outlier awful defense on the

infield. That's Perry Hill's whole job description. You were bottom five, basically every offensive category. That's Kevin Siteser's, you know. Yeah, Jerry specifically on the defense mentioned they were, they led the league and least likely team to convert

a double play that they started. They led the league in throwing errors. Like, he mentioned that by name. Like, there were some things that he pointed out specifically that can lead you to see why they made the changes that they made today. Exactly. So, and why there might be some more changes still to come.

We'll talk about, I'm sure we'll talk about the statement that was directly attributed to that in the second part of our segment. But yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like, look, it sucks when people get fired. Even if you don't think those people did a good job, it's not good when people lose their job, like in general. But that is the reality of professional sports. And if you're going to be a coach, you have to understand. And you always do that, like, ultimately, like, even if it is the player's fault entirely, you're going to be the one that's going to be held responsible. for that. That is reality. So we can sit here and cry about how unfair it is, but that's the reality.

And every single one of these guys knows it when they take these jobs. That's the reality of the situation. Offense was terrible. The hitting coach is getting fired. Infield defense was terrible. Your infield coach is getting fired. You know, a lot of the in-game decisions that, you know, were leaned on heavily by Maniac and Dan Wilson, and those came back to bite you this year.

You're both getting fired. Like, that is the reality of professional sports, particularly in baseball, because you can't fire the players. They have guaranteed contracts. tracks. And, you know, it just gets to the point where you just have to do these things. So the only, you know, slightly surprising part is, is that they kept pretty much the entire pitching side of the, of the equation here. Eric Young Jr. is going to get another job. We'll see if Perry Hill wants to continue to coach or not. Obviously, Maniac is, you know, just a great dude.

and he has value to an organization, you know, big fan of Maniacca. So all these guys are going to find sites are very highly regarded as well across the game. But these are guys who, if they want to continue to coach, they'll find an opportunity to. They're all very good at it.

But at some point, like, look, this is going to fall on you. When your team fails, ultimately it falls on you as a coach. And at this stage, like we talked about,

when you want to bring in a new manager to set a new culture, he has to bring in some of his own guys to help him do that. it's not feasible. It's not realistic to say like we need to change the way we do things. And oh, by the way, manager, here's the staff you're going to work with. We picked them out for you. And they were part of the last group that failed. It just doesn't, it's just never going to work that way. And hopefully they learned. And it sounds like they did learn some of the lessons that they should have learned from the hiring of Dan Wilson and that whole process. Now that out. So it's a sad day, you know, for a lot of those guys and their families. and it sounds cold and callous to say that's the industry,

but that is the industry. That is the job that you signed up to do. And part of that job, unfortunately, is getting fired. Like, that is literally part of the job description when things don't go well and nothing went well for the Mariners this year. So I can't pretend I'm surprised that, you know, Perry Hill's not here when the infield defense was the worst in baseball. Like, of course, that type of stuff's going to happen.

So it's a bummer. It absolutely is. Those guys are great. dudes. But I mean, I think we knew this was going to happen and it had to happen. So yeah. I mean, when you have quite frankly the most disappointing season and the history of your franchise, which has been just filled with disappointing seasons after disappointing seasons, things like this have to happen. Right. And I think you can make a very strong argument that more things like this, you know, should have happened. Uh, not.

just on the coaching staff. I wouldn't blame you for feeling that way. We've had lengthy, lengthy conversations on the show about that. But yeah, you know, I feel like this was necessary. And if you've been watching the show

over the last couple weeks and then you know I've felt that way. Because like you said, bringing in just one guy, even if it's the most important guy, doesn't necessarily fix the problem. Or it doesn't put you in the best, position to fix the problem. The very least now they have cleaned out most of the most important positions on the coaching

staff, not all of them, but most of them, specifically on the position player side of things. And that's where Jerry's frustration today in his media session seemed to be directed at, was the position player group. Like obviously, the pitching was disappointing in the second half, but for the most part, it's the offense and the defense. like that's what he ultimately kind of penned this season on and now we're seeing that with the moves that they've made and so yeah you know you give an opportunity now to the next manager to kind of fill out those very important parts of his staff and if you know bringing in new voices as a driving force of this of this thing which seems to be and it should be then yeah that's exactly what you needed to do here so I have no issue with the moves that they decided to make today. Again, I think you can make a very strong argument

that even more of those moves should have been made or could have been made. But yeah, I think, you know, again, after the season that they just had, significant changes like this were required. And now they're doing that. And so we'll see how this process goes. Jerry was asked about a timeline.

He said, as long as it takes for finding the next guy. And, you know, and that's great to hear after how the last process went. So hopefully they take it a process. Yeah, it wasn't even really much of a process, but you know, hopefully they they take their time here and eventually land on the right guy and the right people to fill out the rest of the staff. And obviously we will be talking about that as rumors start to come down. There have already been some rumors that have come out. So, you know, we'll have plenty of time to talk about that. And there is a lot to unpack from what Jerry DePoto said to the media over about 30 minutes today at Team Mobile Park.

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in the email that was sent out to the media that uh hollander's name wasn't mentioned and it wound up just being jury meeting with the media today. He spoke with the media, both people that are there every day and people who are not there every day. For about 30 or so minutes, had a lot to say, a lot to unpack here. And like I said earlier, we're not going to be able to get to all of it. But we will give you our biggest takeaways. We will talk about some of the quotes that stood out the most. to us. Let's start here with the next manager and what this hiring process is going to look like.

Jerry was asked if managerial experience at the major league level is a prerequisite. And he said, quote, not a prerequisite. It will be preferred. And then he goes on to say, we will go outside to hire our manager. We need fresh thought. We need something new. It could be a shift in programming. It could be a shift in messaging. It could be a shift in language, we'll collaborate with whoever our future manager is and try to find the right person. If that person has major league managerial experience, that would be preferred. But generally speaking, we're just looking for someone who has high character growth

mindset. So my initial question is, does going outside of the organization to hire the next manager, does that exclude guys who have been here recently? who are now outside the York, like Carson Vitali. Yeah, I would assume Negrone and Vitale are not

going to be hired because they were, you know, from both Dan and Scott, like both of those guys. So I would assume that that would be a real hindrance to them potentially landing this job.

It's not that maybe they won't talk to those guys, but maybe. I mean, to me, it would also seemingly, make sense then that that would eliminate Andy McKay who was the name that I think was Adam Jude brought up today

was a Jude or was it cream either way yeah I was on the Seattle Times I don't know if it was Jude or Devish though right but either way it would seem to exclude those guys does it exclude now like Stephen Vogue who was technically here for a year I don't think so he doesn't really have any connection

to Dan per se but he's also I mean neither does a vitality by the way. I don't think he was on Dan's stuff. I think he left before. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Before Scott got fired. Yeah, you're right. Um, so yeah, maybe. Uh, but I, I do think that, like, vote is like the exception to what Jerry's talking about because if you can land that guy and he's willing to come and manage your, your ball club, I don't like you care of that much about, about, you know, all of that. Like, he's, he's just that type of guy and that type of manager, but he also seems like probably the pipe dream, uh, at this point. So yeah, I think it does eliminate like a guy like, a guy like, grown though. I think it should eliminate a guy like Andy McKay. And yeah, you know, we've already heard some rumors and murmuring that like if Tori Lavello is

fired, like that's the guy that they want. And there is connection there between Jerry and Lavello and obviously Mike Hazen and the Mariners front office. They're very close and like they're friendly with each other. So there would be just kind of a natural fit there. But yeah, I do think that it's it's what needed to be said. It's what should be said like, yes, we prefer experience, but we're not going to let, you know, the right guy get away from us just because he's never done this before, right? And that's what you want. And when you're going to say things like that, you better take some time. Like if you're going to say that and then you hire a first year manager like on Friday, I mean, that's a really hard sell after what you just said.

So yeah, you know, we'll see how it goes from that regard. But yeah, I heard that. I thought the same thing. I was like, I don't think Negrone qualifies as that new voice. And again, like my question is like, if you thought Negron could be a future manager, why did you let him go in the first place? You could have easily just promoted him to bench coach and kept him here, but whatever. So I think that that's probably what that means. I think it's a good thing that they are looking to go outside of their, you know, like I've talked about, go outside of your echo chamber and get some new ideas and get some new verbiage and some new language. And, you know, Jerry also. talked about how important it is for the manager and the front office to be in alignment and to,

you know, talk and talked about, hey, you know, it's really important that we see things the same way and we talk these things out. We, you know, find middle ground and all that. So I do think that, you know, getting outside of the echo chamber is a really good thing. And I'm glad Jerry said it. I'm also glad that he said we would prefer somebody with experience, but it's not a requirement. we're just going to hire whoever we think is the best person for the job. It's exactly what you should say. Yeah. Now, I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie, dude. I was listening to it and I was like, this sounds like he listened to our last segment yesterday. It does. In fact, most of the press conference. Yeah. Most of the press conference pretty much hit what we said. We would like to hear him say.

Like, unprompted. He unprompted. He acknowledged the Robbrenner, like, right-handed hitting like issues. Like he said, why do we keep running into the same problem with, you know, our inability to find a right-handed bat who can enter our market and seamlessly transition? Yeah, he talked about getting people from outside the org to come in and help and point out blind spots. He talked about accountability a lot. And he talked about alignment a lot. so again like typically jerry does these things just overall feel on the whole thing jerry does these things and he gives us a clip that will play and it just be like jerry yeah i'll say this like nothing he says or that he could have said today

i'm going to take to the bank right like actions yes yeah like like we'll see what you do and then we'll judge right but all we have right now are the words and it is our job to talk about what he says because that's all we have to talk about and what he said I think in general nothing was objectionable nothing was yeah I thought he said all the things that you would want him to say right and and yeah we shouldn't give him like credit for that but like also Jerry never does that and in fact it's why he barely talks to the media anymore so again like I thought I would just I would just say that I was I was a bit nervous about how today was going to go.

Right. And he wound up doing just fine. He didn't make it worse. Yeah, yeah. So I want to play this clip real quick. Because Softie and KJR asked him straight up. People have been asking us, why should you get another crack at this thing after 11 years? Here's what Jerry had to say in response.

And then for you, one of the questions we get to lie is this is that your third manager, four years, obviously. After 11 years on the job, people wonder why you should continue to get a crack at doing this. What do you say to that? I say that it's fair that they ask those questions. I wake up and I look in the mirror every day trying to figure out why this happened. For the last five years, we're one of the winningest teams in Major League Baseball. This year, we stunk, and it never got on track. And again, that's on me first. I'm just trying to find solutions. I feel proud of what we've built organizationally over these years.

You know, 11 years, it's two different tenures that I've had. And in the last six years, I feel proud of what we've accomplished on the field. It's been complete. And this year was an opportunity to take that next or final step, and we just didn't. And if I didn't have a job today, it'd be justified. You know, we failed. And again, we're going to attempt to learn from that failure. and lean into what I think is a great foundation to build on with homegrown players up the middle, a complete rotation that I think many in the league would love to have,

and just reset our culture and refocus ourselves on what we need to do to get back to an efficient, clean, crisp brand of baseball like the Mariners have played for a number of years. If I didn't have a job today, it'd be justified. is a hell of a quote. Start with a banger. And I would just like to say, it appears KJR listened to our podcast yesterday too, because that is the exact question I wanted somebody to ask.

So kudos to Softie for asking a not soft question. How about that? So, you know, I would like to thank Anders Hearst for obviously telling Softie to ask that on on our behalf, yep. But yeah,

I thought that was a good answer from Jerry. Yeah. You know, and I'm sure people are going to nitpick the whole like, oh, you're proud of what you do. And it's just, can we just not nitpick every single thing that gets said? But yeah,

I thought that was a good answer. And, you know, he mentioned, you know, something that was kind of a running theme throughout his entire press conference today. He didn't get into a ton of specifics about like,

we're going to do this, this off season, and we're going to go get this. And we're going to, it was a lot about like, hey, like, we need to look inward here

and look at what went wrong here and we need to bring back accountability to our to our team and to our system here. And we failed in a bunch of different ways. And so that was kind of the overall tone of the press conference and that's a great way to do it. It's not that, you know, you can't do anything this off season. Obviously, you have to get better and you have to bring in better players and all that. But, you know, to use the day after the regular season, after the most disappointing season in franchise history to say, like, look, we failed.

we as a collective didn't do this well enough. We, the players, the front office, the coaching staff, it's just failure across the board and it is on us. And we're the ones that are going to have to fix it. So that's exactly the right tone to take after the season we just watched. And again, like, people are, oh, you don't give them credit for anything. Or like, you can't give them credit until they do it. Like, yeah, true, that's fair.

But like, the first step to solving that problem or any problem is, again, acknowledging that you have one. And so the very first step to Jerry record or to, you know, Jerry solving this problem and Justin and the players on the field is acknowledging that this was a problem. And now that they've acknowledged it, they can go about addressing it.

And a big part of that is going to be who do they bring in to manage this team and who do they bring in as, you know, to build out their staff because Jerry wasn't mincing words. He, he said there are a lot of problems on this team that and not entirely all on the staff, but he did not,

it was very much not a like, oh, you know, things happen and blah, it's just baseball. No, it was, it was not that.

It was very clear from some other quotes that he had, that there was just a massive disconnect between the entire, throughout the entire organization, and that is what they plan to fix this off season. Well, accountability was a running theme in Jerry's media session today. More on that.

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average to in some areas a well above average major league defense and we didn't beat ourselves this year we led the league in throwing errors it was awful to watch and it was awful for the players you know we led the league and the least likely team to confer to double play that we started you know that's not helpful to our pitchers the starting pitching staff who attacks the strike zone and has the ball put in play is harmed by the lack of range and positioning with our team. We can solve some of that through more focus, more demanding and challenging practice, but especially in the positioning of those players. That's something that we as a scouting advanced team can provide our players that we need

to implement more effectively than we did this year. Being a bad defender is a choice. And he said that not that long after, he talked about Julio's struggles this year. I'm just going to say that. I mean, where in the past have the Mariners been above average to plus

defensively that they weren't this year? Well, I can think of two places. Catcher in center field. Ah, you know, and maybe a little bit shade thrown at Randy, who we've talked about. There's no reason for Randy to be as bad

as he is, but you know, there's a quote that we're, and yeah, there's, There's a quote about accountability that we're going to listen to. And there's one thing that Jerry specifically says in that clip that I'll play. That sounds very much directed at Randy or Rosarana. Right. Who also very much not coming back.

Not that we needed any, no confirmation of that. Jerry, yeah, Jerry pretty much confirmed as much. I don't have the exact quote in front of me, but he spoke to something to the effect of filling the void left by Randy or Roserana. Yeah. So, yeah, defense was terrible, right? And he acknowledged it and he said it has to be better. And so now how much of that is going to be a focus of the guys they have getting better versus going out and getting guys who can catch the freaking baseball,

which they still failed to do even in the last weekend of the year several times. Handed the Angels their 100th loss. That's all I got. That's all I got. You left with something. Yeah, a little something. also saw JP's last home run live. Well, potentially, potentially his last home run has a mariner.

Yeah, so that's pretty interesting. He talks about guys who just don't have the range anymore or whatever, the throwing errors and the lack of double plays turned. Not exactly a glowing endorsement to the idea that JP Crawford might come back either. And how is it? So it really is kind of a, that's about as pointed as you're going to get from a GM. and like if you and I and pretty much everybody who listened could suss out exactly who he was pointing the finger at. Yeah.

I'm sure they can too. And I'm sure that they would, if they were being honest, they would agree with. And, you know, I also wouldn't let Josh Naylor off the hook there. Josh Naylor had his own throwing hairs. And Josh Neller significantly regressed defensively this year as well. So, yeah, the three, you know, highest paid players on the team, pretty much getting called out. by the front office, by the GM or by the POBO, about how, you know, they chose to be bad at defense this year. That's the decision that they made. Like, it could be a wake-up call. And so we'll

see how that goes. Yeah, that was definitely the, the quote that stood out. And to me, at least, in terms of like, instead of just like the overall tenor, like, that one was like, okay, that's Julio, that's Cal. And to a lesser extent, that's also, I think, JP and Josh that he's specifically talking to and, you know, and Randy too. But Randy's not here. So like, sure, sure. But yeah, it, it, that's someone that stood out to me or one of the ones that sit out to me. I don't know how much time we have left, but there was also one about, I just throw

this in there. We could probably come back to this. You guys might have questions about this for the mailbag tomorrow. Feel free to send them. There's so much that we're not going to be able to get to that. And maybe we might even get to some more of this stuff on Wednesday after we sit down and we digest more of it and we break it down more. Certainly, we'll probably be a topic of conversation on our Patreon tomorrow.

when we record that episode. There's just a lot to get to here. But one of the things that also stood out is the line. Let me see if I have it real fast. Essentially, like, hey, you know, we had guys come up this year who, you know, were taught to do this thing down in the miners and through our player development system.

And then when they got here, they were just basically told like, we don't do that or that's, you know, there was just different. Yeah, there was just a disconnect between what they had learned coming up. And I think he was also saying that that was coming from players who have been here for a year or so that did come up through their system.

And now they were seeing this change from what the philosophy had been. Yeah, I don't have the exact quote either. But that also stood out to me as well because that's something that Jerry preached a long time ago, you know, back when he first got to Seattle was having this cohesive philosophy that ran from the DSL all the way up to the majors. And Andy McKay was a big part of that. And I do wonder if Andy McKay changed your roles and now eventually no longer being a member of the organization if that has had an impact on that. Yeah.

The direct quote is he said, multiple players who, quote, came through our system have referenced what they learned in player development. They got abandoned in the big leagues this year. Yeah. Again, getting back to, hey, this is what the Seattle Mariners do. do this is who the Seattle Mariners are as a baseball team. This is our identity. Just kind of felt like that got lost along the way this year. And there was another thing that was said that, again,

there's so many things we could go over right now. So much. There was a, he was asked about communication specifically with like the piggyback and do you regret how that was. And he had a really nice quote about like how they struggled to communicate internally and externally. And I thought that was really good. And I don't know if you have that quote, Ty, but I thought it was important to acknowledge that there were communication errors, which is another thing that points at Dan Wilson, frankly.

Yeah. So he said, quote, I regret a lot of the communication issues that we had this year. Weirdly, the piggyback period was when we were our very best this year. That's when our team was most successful. The way it was communicated, the way it was received. And, you know, the drama around it was part of what I think was a bag that we were carrying around with us all year and couldn't shed. And the piggyback is one piece of that. I could come up with 10 others that were contributing factors,

but we need to communicate more clearly. And we talked about this with the players during that piggyback period. And then he went out to talk about how he talked with Bryce and Luis after the White Sox game, specifically the White Sox game that made both of you and I crash out completely. So it sounded like there was a very similar reaction in that clubhouse to that whole debacle as well. lastly because we are running out of time there was one other quote and this is kind of a lengthy clip but i think it's very important to play this one in particular because i thought it was the most damning of the 2026 mariners so i'm just going to let this play from jerry depoto himself on the accountability of the 226 mariners and what accountability means to him moving forward

Do you feel like player accountability was something that slowly but surely slipped away and how much of that would be part of the criteria of what you want to hire in your new manager? It is a heavy piece of the criteria. But I wouldn't limit that just to the players, you know. Accountability is just a word. Unless you are accountable to a standard that is preset, everybody understands what that standard is, and then we hold ourselves accountable to it, you know, the bigger issue is the standard itself. That's on me. The one person who has the ability to drill down to the bottom

and say, we are not upholding these standards, we need to do better. I did an ineffective job of making sure that we held one another accountable because we started with standards and it faded. And that's not just on our players. That's on me. It's on our front office group. It's on the staff and the players collectively. What does the BAA?

What is holding accountable look like? Holding accountable? Looks like culture. It is what are you willing to tolerate? Are you willing to tolerate less than full effort? Are you willing to tolerate less than full focus? Are you willing to tolerate, you know, what we saw in mid-season was a team playing with limited urgency

and waiting for the water to turn on? And it just didn't come on instead of turning it on ourselves. And we saw it unfolding. Our players saw it unfolding. And we talked about it a lot. as the season went along. And again, it's where I would count myself most at fault is you can talk about it or you can just go out and do it.

And you can lament the fact that there was an injury here. We had fewer injuries to deal with than many teams that wound up finishing in a really good spot and still playing today. So we had a tendency this year to just shrug it off to, we're more talented than the teams around us. Don't worry it'll happen. Instead of going out and making our...

own thing happened and that's that's what accountability looks like it's calling that out in the moment it's it's stopping it before it gets rolling any further it's being truthful in our discussion with one another and for years our program has always been built on truth we tell the truth with love and and sometimes you might get your nose out of joint for a moment but you wake up the next day and you realize that you're loved and you're just trying to help one another it goes back to what we were talking about in the first segment of yesterday's episode that there needs to be the standard, right? And there needs

to be the acknowledgement of the standard and that they failed to meet the standard. Yeah. That was the quote I was looking for. Yeah. It really is. If there was a weird, if there was a weird cut that you noticed in the last like five minutes or so,

it's because Colby completely lost his train of thought. Yeah. Just. I completely butcher the, uh, the intro into the second segment. So it's fine. We're on our A game today. folks. I was looking for the quote about, you know, what does accountability look like? And, and because he said the word accountability a lot, but like he actually literally said in that quote there, like, that's just a word until there's a standard that you need to be held up against. And then you can be held accountable. And yeah, I mean, like, look, I think it's pretty easy to look

at that, listen to that and be like, Randy was a problem in that regard. But also when you factor in the communication problems that Jerry talked about, when you kind of listen to a lot of the things that were kind of laid at the coaching staff's feet without explicitly being said like that was Dan Wilson's fault, blah, blah, blah. I think what he's looking for is is what we've been asking for pretty much the entire year, which is like he can't be the substitute teacher, you know, you have to have a standard and you have to hold people accountable when they fail to meet that standard. And again, it's what Cal Raleigh said.

We're grown men. It's basically exactly what Cal Rale said when he said, hey, you know, we're grown men. you know, you address something one day and you're upset about it, but the next day, you know, we move on and, and Dan just never really did that. This team never really did it to each other so far as we could tell. Now, maybe it happened behind the scenes a little bit, but clearly it wasn't effective because nothing, nothing changed. So, yeah, it just feels like the more the players talk and now hearing Jerry,

it feels like it confirmed everything we kind of speculated was happening behind the scenes. You know, I think it would be fair to ask Jerry, like, okay. I mean, obviously he's not going to answer this publicly, but like internally, my question would be like, if you thought Randy was having issues. And again, he didn't mention him by name, so whatever. Why didn't you trade him? Like during the summer, you know, and if you thought that could help, whatever. But at the end of the day, yes, I do think the overwhelming theme of, of, the presser today is like not so much how we're going to fix what went wrong, but acknowledging what did go. wrong and not trying to ignore it and not, you know, very clear like, no, it wasn't injuries. No, it wasn't. Yeah. Bad luck. Like, no, we did this to ourselves.

We failed as a collective and we need to fix it. And then these are the steps we're going to take to start fixing it right now. These are what we can do right now. That is, you know, cleaning house with the coaching staff, having this exhaustive search for the manager and all that. So yeah, overall, I think, you know, again, we could, there's probably. probably like 50 more clips we could, we could play and lots more conversation we can get because there's always like read between the lines here, read between the lines here. And sometimes

you don't have to read between the lines because it's pretty plain as day, you know, what is, what what what is being said and who it's been said about. But I thought this was about as perfectly handled as we've seen the Mariners handle anything in terms of like a PR situation for a long time. this is the best they've done since like pre 54%. They were direct. They answered questions. They didn't duck. They didn't try and be like,

you know, that's baseball or bad luck or injuries or nope. This was very clearly. As candid as a front office member is ever going to be about his baseball team. You know, and again, you always have to judge what front office execs say through that scale. Like they're not just going to come out and be like,

Julio sucked. You know, what am I supposed to do with Julio's? Like, they're not going to do that, right? But this is as close as you're ever going to get to him, you know, not just pointing fingers though, but acknowledging like, this has to get better and these are the steps we're doing to make it get there.

And it was so much more about, hey, let's not look ahead before we acknowledge what went wrong in 2026. And I think that was critically important for him to do today and give him credit. Jerry has a lot of flaws. And one of them is his messaging to the general public. I thought he nailed it today. And, you know, some people aren't going to give him credit for that because they hate him so much that, like, they'll nitpick every little thing that he said that wasn't like 100% like, you know, like I'm proud of the. And somebody's going to have a problem with that. And, you know, somebody's going to have a problem with all these little tiny things he said. But someone is definitely calling you a bootlicker for what you're saying, by the way. I don't care. I don't care. I know. I got on the show like three weeks ago. And I was like, yeah, fire him. I don't care. So I don't. But I'm just, but, but to your point is what I'm saying is like, you know. Yeah, exactly.

So, look, Jerry, there's no nuance in these discussions. Jerry screwed up a lot. He does a lot of things poorly. And this is one of the things he traditionally does pretty poorly. Today, I thought he did a very nice job because again, we can't move on. It wasn't just like, look ahead, look ahead, look ahead. Like, no, we need to look back and see what went wrong and fix it. And I think that is critically important for any kind of problem solving.

As the old saying goes, the first step to fixing any problem, is acknowledging that one exist in the first place. And that's what was done today. So I give Jerry some kudos for doing that. Yeah. No, you needed to address it head on. And he did that. So it's good.

But, you know, what matters is ultimately what they actually do here in the coming weeks. Who do you hire? How do you fill up the rest of the staff? And then how do you fix this roster, which has so many things that need to be addressed? Talk is cheap. But you always have to take the first step.

And today was a good first step. All right, that is going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day for Colby Patnode. I'm Tadangazales. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can find us on Blue Sky at TDG, Colby at MLB Colby in the show at Lockdown Mariners. You can also find us on Instagram and TikTok at Lockdown Mariners.

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