Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Shed Long to Baltimore + All-Prospect Teams

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss Shed Long signing with the Orioles and construct a pair of Mariners rosters exclusively consisting of prospects and other young assets.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKED15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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talk twice a week. Visit patreon.com forward slash control zone for more information if you want more of us. And now on today's episode of Locked-on Meriters, we're going to be talking a little bit about Shed Long who's found a new home today and we're also going to continue

and exercise. One of our listeners set us on during Monday's Mailbag episode should be a lot of fun. And if this is your first time joining us, welcome to the show. If you like what you hear, give us a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this, we greatly appreciate it. So let's start with Shed Long, who,

according to Jeff Passon, has found a new home. Long has apparently signed a minor league contract with the Baltimore Orioles earlier on this off season. He opted for free agency, and now he gets a new opportunity and a pretty good

one at that. Colby, what do you think about the fit for Long and the O's? I think it's a really good fit for Shed. He has a really good shot of making that team and getting regular at bats. You remember in 2019 Long came up and was actually pretty good in a relatively small sample size. Then obviously, you know, 2020 comes, spring training cancel, blah, blah, blah, you get the idea. Then he kind of tries to battle through.

a shin injury, shin splints. And it just, it's, it was a disaster. He completely fell off. And, you know, he had some setbacks with that. And it kind of pushed him back even further into 2021. And he never really got going. So it feels like it's been, you know, a series of unfortunate events for Shed Long. But you look back in 2019, you know, the guy hit 263, 333, 454, can play a couple

places defensively. I still think Shedlong can hit the last few years. He's got to get the strikeouts under control. He's up over 30% over the last few years. So he's got to get that under control. But I still believe in the bat here. I think Baltimore can kind of use him all over the place. And obviously they're not trying to compete so they can really afford to give him some at-bats. I think it's a solid fit for the swing too. You know, I just, just I like Shedlong. I think he is going to be a good major leaguer. He's only 26.

He has an option left, which is great for Baltimore. I think this is just a really good fit. It makes a lot of sense. Shed goes to a place where they're not trying to win yet. And so he doesn't have this pressure of producing right away or being sent down. I think it's a really good ideal situation for Shetlong. Yeah.

And even though that it's a minor league deal, I think he's going to be able to make that roster. I think he's going to get ample opportunity to play at some point. And I think that's great for him to get things back on track. Like you, I still very much believe in shed as well. I was disappointed that it wasn't going to happen in Seattle. I was disappointed that he ended up opting for free agency. But I also understand the decision. I understand wanting to get a new opportunity.

And I understand it from the Mariners side as well. to move on. But yeah, I think he's, he's still got quite a bit of potential there, both offensively and maybe a little bit defensively. He's, he's so athletic that I, you know,

I think that he can at least be average somewhere. We'll see. But, yeah, this is a great opportunity for him. I wish nothing but the best for him moving forward. And I think he'll actually be able to find some success there in, in Baltimore. I think that's a good ballpark for him.

him to play in, for him to hit in, and in a good situation just to land in in general, considering like what you said, there's really no pressure on him to perform. He can just go out there, you know, be a little, you know, loose and, and just, you know, let it rip and see what happens. So, yeah. It's good stuff. It's a good development here for Shed. Yeah, I mean, you kind of look at Baltimore's depth chart right now and it's Rubnettoe

door at second base. Wait, did they sign Rudinand Orador? Apparently. What did that happen? Apparently, I do not know. Ramon Urius, Urius, Ty always makes fun of how I say it at shortstop. And I believe this is Kelvin Gutierrez right now is projected to get a lion's share of the time at third base. Wow.

So. Is it Brutty Martin on that team? Yes. He's kind of the utility infielder. So, yeah, we shed. your competition is Kelvin Gutierrez, who is, you know, replacement level at best. Yeah. Rognette O'Dore, who at this stage of his career, pretty much follows the same thing.

And Urius, who is a pretty good player, but not somebody that shed can't be, although Uri is probably going to be the shortstop. So, yeah, he's got a really good opportunity to make this club, maybe even crack the, you know, crack the fore. at-bat threshold for the first time and really have a good shot to to see what he can do. But yeah, he apparently signed a one-year, O'Dor signed a one-year major league deal with the Orioles on November 30th. Wow. That completely flew under the radar for me. But yeah, going back to Shed, you know, just, yeah, that's true. But yeah, going back to Shed, like, you know, this is good opportunity for him.

Hopefully you can stay healthy and hopefully you can find some, some success there. Man, I cannot say success for some reason today. All right. So we're going to be building a lineup purely out of prospects in the Mariners system right now or just young assets, rather. Real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Bilt Bar. This is the time of year that I've pretty much given up on all of my New Year's resolutions, that is. But not this year. I'm sticking to my resolution to eat right thanks to built bar and it almost feels like it's not really a resolution because I actually enjoy eating them. Now all built bars are covered in 100% real chocolate. They're low calorie, high in protein.

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just like we do here, or just like you do here every day. Let's take a look back at a exercise that we did on Monday, a listener of ours named Josh on Twitter at Josh Kemp. Canton 6 on Twitter had us try to build a lineup made up of purely young assets or prospects in the Mariners organization. And we were a little confused on how to approach it. We also kind of went about it in different ways. I went with more upside.

You went more with guys who were kind of knocking on the door or already at the major league level for the Mariners. But we're going to take another crack at it now that we have a bit more. time instead of, you know, doing it, trying to do it in five minutes on a mailback show. We're going to spend the rest of the show doing this. And we're also going to build a rotation. We're going to build a bullpen or an arm barn. And yeah, so let's start with the lineup, though. Colby, do you want to go around the diamond? Do you want to go one through nine? How do you want to approach this? I still want to know how we're doing it. Like, are we trying to win a game tomorrow? or are we simply looking at like kind of what baseball America does where it's like

here's the projected 2025 Mariners lineup but it includes no free agents just guys in their system who they think might be up by 2025 like the completely unrealistic oh they don't add anybody outside the organization which one is it we trying to win tomorrow or we just kind of doing like the the baseball America you know BS one because both are obviously let me ask you this yeah do you you think that there is a lineup that we could actually construct, construct that would beat a major league baseball team, any of them?

Sure. Yeah. You think so? Yeah, I mean, because, I mean, we're, we're including, like, the guys who are less than a full year of service time, too. So. Sure. And, you know, Baltimore's pretty bad.

So, so. That is true. But they have said long now. So, I mean, I think, like, Like I'm not saying they would win like be a 500 team, but could they beat a major league baseball team? Yeah. Sure. Okay.

All right. So let's approach it from, from that standpoint then now that we've established that. So our team's going to sign. Yeah, this team is not going to be good. But let's let's do it anyway. So catcher, I think it's Cal Raleigh. I said that on Monday. Yeah.

I don't think there's really any debate there. Harry Ford is nowhere close, especially if you view him as a catcher. So Cal Raleigh is kind of the guy by default and a good one at that tab by default. A good option to have there. All right. So first base is really the interesting one.

And I know that when you were going with this similar approach on Monday, you ended up going with Cade Marlowe, who's traditionally an outfielder. Do you want to stick with Marlowe? Well, I mean, like, who's the other option? You know what I mean? Yeah, there's not, yeah, like Tyler Keenan is no off to a rough start in his professional career. This is maybe where you could have, this is maybe where you could have held, sorry, hit Eric Fulia, but I don't think he's in the organ anymore.

So. I don't think so either, yeah. Yeah, so when you start looking at first base, you're not going to get a natural first baseman. Evan White doesn't qualify for this list. Right. You know, because he's not technically a prospect. Same goes for Thai France. although I mean we're adding guys who aren't technically prospects. But Evan White has more than a year of service time.

So he is not eligible for the list. So yeah, the first base thing for the Mariners is way up in the air because you don't like, it's very rarely, very rare that a player comes up as a first base. When most players end up at first base, you know what I mean? Yeah. Right. So. Yeah.

So yeah, I feel like. considering who we're going to have in our outfield at the end of the day, Marlowe makes some sense at first base. Minor league performer who if he has another good year, frankly, might be able to knock on the door

of the major league level at some point this year. I guess the guy that we should throw in there, Kevin Padlow. Yeah. Probably a little closer to the big leagues. But could that be our option at third? Because, I mean, there's not a lot of options over there either in terms of guys that are pretty close. I miss Ashton.

I'm sorry, buddy. You know, I'm calling an audible mid-show. We're doing, this segment is the really close one. And then the third segment will be like the 2025 dream roster. So second base. But when are we, when are we handling the rotation in the bullpen? We'll get to it. Trust me.

Here we go. All right. All right. You control the show. So who's at first base then? I'm going to go Marlow. Because I mean, who's going to be our third basement other than Padlo? Like who's capable of doing that?

That's fairly close. Yeah, that's fair. Because, like, we're probably putting Donovan Walton at second or short, right? Yeah, have to, pretty much. Who's our shorts up? Excellent question. you guys can kind of see the issue with the meritors is well Infield prospects not a lot of high miners depth in the infield there so

yeah I feel like do we use noelvy at somewhere like do we think that he's close enough like is he's so much better than all the other options you know what I mean like yeah I feel Do we play him at third? Yeah, that's a That's tough man. This is a This is a tough exercise.

This one is harder than the Just like pick the best guys One that we're going to do next segment. I feel like it's either him Or it's like Patrick Frick. Yeah. Like Yeah, Frick might be like a little further along but

Yeah, it's like Are we're trying to win tomorrow? Like, probably just go upside and just go with noelva right yeah yeah i feel like there's a couple spots where you still just have to go upside yeah just in case yeah so we'll say noelvi even though if noel v trying to short yeah third just put him a short put padlow at third okay and then walton that's second and then the outfield is pretty obvious that's tremel kelnik rodriguez yep i would assume in that order yep well tremel and center

Okay, you went for a melon center? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And Kelnick and left and Rodriguez. Yep. Okay. And then do we want to pick a DH? Deloche maybe.

Yeah, that's a good one. It's a good one. Yeah, probably Deloche. Yeah. So like for a lineup for that, I mean, you're going to put the best guys up top. So it's probably. Kellnick 1, Tramel 2, Julio 3 Padlow 4

Raleigh 5 Anyways, starting rotation I don't want to go down that road That's too gross sounding Starting rotation Gilbert Kirby, Hancock, Williamson

Brash Yeah Brash, okay And then the bullpen Would be Munoz Mm-hmm Phillips Stout

Sure Tame I guess Yeah I guess you gotta put them in there We should probably put some of the guys That have Bryce Miller Well I mean they're all over one year

Oh are they? Yeah Fletcher too I'm not putting Fletcher Fletcher is like the 80th best arm in this organization Screw that I'll put Bryce Miller in there ahead of Fletcher

Okay, all right Yeah I'd rather have Juan Pinto at the big league level than Aaron Fletcher right now Wyatt Mills Probably has to be on there Yeah So yeah it's a team that like if you gave all those

Like that team played 162 games They probably win like 40 And that's large largely because, you know, they're starting pitching is going to be pretty good. So maybe 60. Maybe. But yeah, the high miners is not a good place for infield prospects for the Mariners right now. So yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it makes things a little bit difficult on that front. So, all right, we're going to do our dream lineup then in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by betonline.net. Football might be over this season, but basketball is in full steam for both pro and college hoops. And from all the latest odds, totals, player performance props to where the next fired coach is going to land. Betonline.net is the number one spot for all your sports betting needs. Betonline remains the best spot for all your sports scores, podcasts, and news this season. And it's not

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Now let's just build the upside, you know, dream lineup. made up of these prospects and young assets. I guess we'll just start around the diamond once again. Is Harry Ford our catcher? Are we going to put them somewhere else and keep Cal Raleigh aboard? Probably going to put Ford somewhere else just because we have such glaring holes at second and third, really, even when we expand this out.

So, yeah, I think we put Raleigh at Catcher. Okay. And we put Ford at second. And then obviously shortstop That as well Shortstop's probably Edwin Arroyo and third base is no LVee Yes

Yeah You're thinking exactly where I am I don't like it so It's garbage So then the outfield is still You know Again using guys with less than a year of service time It's still

Kelnick Tremel And Julio And then Deloche is probably the number four or slash DH Yeah Or I guess if we're doing like dream I mean

Is like Starlin Aguilar or Lazaro Montes Would be the dream D.H Okay Based on his profile First base though Oh Montes could play first Since we're doing dream profile

And then Aguilar So DH then Deloche or Aguilar Yeah probably Deloge Mm-hmm but if only we had Felon and Celestine

to pick from right now soon soon I mean couldn't we though since this is the dream no no you don't want to do that he is not in the organization that is that no no no that is cheating

and honestly the rotation and the bullpen probably exactly the same if we're being honest yeah that's the one spot the Mariners have plenty of, you know, depth. And it's pretty well spread out, too, between the high miners and the low miners. So, yeah, that one, the pitching staff's pretty universal for both.

But when you start thinking about like the dream lineup here, you're probably like, again, assuming everybody hits their ceilings, which isn't going to happen. But again, dream. The best leadoff guy probably tremel, right? Power, speed, like on base. skills. It's probably him, right? Yeah. Yeah.

So it's, it's pretty much the same construction of the last lineup that we did really just with Edwin Arroyo and Lazzar Montos and Harry Ford. I would say that like again, the 2025 lineup, which is impossible, but

using only prospects. I would say that it probably is going to go. It would probably go Tramel, Noelvi, Kelnick, Julio. Then number five. Montes? Probably Montes. Yeah. Then Ford six.

Raleigh seven. Man, though, I don't know. going back to the leadoff conversation Ford and a leadoff spot sounds pretty fun too I mean so does Kelnick so does Kelnick

or Julio even Julio yeah like a guy these guys think a guy yeah so yeah I just I feel like number seven probably Raleigh

yeah probably Raleigh and then you round it out with Arroyo probably Arroyo and the Deloche 9 yeah like that's pretty good yeah it's a dang good lineup

sorry you say dang good lineup yeah it is yeah I did because it is wow okay I mean it could be in 2020

CTZ I can't you know I can't say what I really feel speaking to CTZ you guys should check that out yeah you should Control the patreon.com slash control slash yeah

ha ha yeah he did say backslash this time good for you well to be fair i'm just going to start saying slash because i feel like everybody knows sure like i only struggle with it when i think about it like i never type in the wrong one it's just when i'm like is that a forward slash or a backslash so yeah yeah so all right so let's uh let's recap here going around the diamond we got calrale at catcher lazaro montes at first base harry fort

at second edwin erroyo at short noel v martay at third got gerard kellnick left field Taylor-Chivalent Center, Julio Rodriguez, and right field. And then we got Zach DeLoch as our D-HR rotation is Logan Gilbert, George Kirby,

Emerson, Hancock, Brandon Williamson, and Matt Brash. And then our bullpen is Levi Stout and Connor Phillips and who else do we have in there?

I mean, Adam Macke was in there. White Mills, Bryce Miller. Bryce Miller Yeah Andres Munoz

Yeah And obviously Colby Will Fleming I don't know who that is But Did I mention Bryce Miller? You did

You did mention Bryce Miller Isa Michael Morales Campbell? Campbell You love Campbell still I wouldn't love him I think he'd be

pretty good In a bullpen roll Next year If you've moved him there permanently, but... That's true. It's Brian Wu? Yeah.

Joey Gerber. Yeah, that's true. Where is Joey Gerber? You just missed pretty much all last year. Like, it's not important. It seems kind of important. He just, like, they didn't even talk about him. They didn't even talk about what was going on with him.

It's private, man. Don't worry about it. Yeah. So, I think that's a. pretty good squad overall. Like that's really exciting. A lot of firepower there. A lot of upside offensively.

The rotation is nasty. Pulpin's pretty good too. Yeah, I think that team is, again, if they all hit their ceiling, that's a, like a World Series caliber team. Not that they're going to do that. But, yeah. Like, I think, I think this, though,

puts it in perspective just how good the farm system is for the meriners and why it's considered the best in the game by a lot of outlets including baseball America I mean you just you think about the guys that didn't make it right

like Gabby Gonzalez and Alberto Rodriguez and obviously those guys would probably make it if we did bench rolls yeah for this for this roster but Milcar Perez yeah that's Milcar Perez. Yeah, that's a great one. George Fulise, Starline Aguilar.

Juan Pinto, Luis Bolivar. Yep, yeah. It's like I think the good thing with this exercise is it shows kind of like if you're looking for weaknesses in the Mariners system, infielders. That's the big one. They have a lot of minor league outfield depth. And it's notice I said minor league. and it's tiered pretty well. It's pretty well established at, you know, every level.

They have pitching, again, that's tiered pretty well. And it's pretty much throughout every single level. You're going to find some really interesting pitching where they don't have, you know, interesting guys in or I don't want to say they're not interesting. Like, like, Caden Polkovich's like profile is interesting. Cade Marlowe's profile is interesting. Yeah. But are they like, even Starlin Aguilar?

Interesting. But are they like real prospects yet? You know what I mean? Like there's a difference between like, sure. Oh, yeah. There's some upside there and like, hey, this guy is like a big leaker. You know, we don't know. You know, same goes from Milcar Perez.

So. For sure. Yeah, they, and we don't even know if Milcar can stay in the infield. So. Yeah. Yeah. There's just, there's a lot. There's a big, you know, difference, I guess, with middle infield guys or just infielders in general.

But it is worth noting that the Mariners do have J.P. Crawford for the next few years. They do have Abraham Toro for the next few years. Evan White is still around. You know, Thai France can play other positions, but probably, yeah. Probably want to keep them at first if we can. But yeah. But that's what it is. You know, that's why losing a guy like Shed Long kind of hurts.

You know, I understand why they did it. But they don't have a lot of, they don't have a lot of those guys. And that's, that's because those guys are really hard to find, particularly the left side guys, third base and shortstop. Finding those guys are really hard. For sure. And, you know, we're seeing the Mariners understand that that's where they are

because they're going out and they're trying, that's what they're attacking right now. they're not attacking the outfield they're attacking Chris Brian and Trevor story so yeah you just look at some of the guys that they've added now in the last couple years through the draft through the

international signing periods as well you know a lot of infielders so you got a lot of guys like coming up you know you got a lot of infielders you got a lot of infield depth in the low miners see what that looks like as they start to rise through

through the farm but yeah So, you know, eventually I feel like that's probably going to be less of an issue for this, for this organization. But right now, yeah, they just don't have a lot of options there. And that's why in the end, you know, it's kind of important that they target, you know, infielders right now and free agency for the immediate future. Because they just, they don't really have anything coming up. I mean, even though L.V. Martay, who's not going to stick up the middle, you know, at best, he's probably going to be a third baseman. even he's probably

year and a half away still maybe even two full years we'll see but yeah there's just there there isn't really anything knocking on the door right now which like you said

makes the you know makes shed long's departure sting a little bit more but yeah like we said earlier it just you understand why both sides kind of decided to separate in that situation but

that's going to do it for our show today thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners. Colby Patnode. I'm Taday and Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L-O-U-U-U-N-S-Rerner. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez. That's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-E-P-A-T-1-E. You can also find all that stuff

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