Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Should Gleyber Torres Be on M's Radar?

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

It's Mock Trade Tuesday on Locked On Mariners as hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode break down six trades from BaseballTradeValues.com, including a ridiculous Mitch Haniger-to-the-Reds proposal,... a Gleyber Torres deal and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Rock AutoAmazing selection. Reliably low prices. All the parts your car will ever need. Visit RockAuto.com and tell them Locked On sent you.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Today is Tuesday, October 19th, 2021. I am your host, Tadayin Gonzalez. Join, as always by my co-host, Colby Patnode. Follow us on Twitter at L-O-U-U-U-U-N-Rerner. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez, that's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-Pat-E-1. Be sure to also check out our Patreon where we talk about the Mariners even more. Also get into some non-baseball talk twice a week. Visit patreon.com forward slash control the zone for more information.
Starting point is 00:00:59 It is mock trade Tuesday here on Locked-on Mariners. Colby's compiled some Mariners trade proposals from baseball trade values.com, which is a highly entertaining website, especially if you're looking for a good lap. About 98% of the trades on there are truly just awful, terrible, no good whatsoever. And then there's a few good ones that end up sneaking on through. I have not seen the trades that Colby has put together here. So I'll be reacting alongside you and should be a good time.
Starting point is 00:01:29 time, or at least an interesting one. If you like what you hear, give the show a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this. We greatly appreciate it. So, Colby, what do you got for me, man? The baseball trade value gods were not as kind this week as they were back in, you know, the first week we did this. They're not so many god-awful trades, but certainly some eyebrow raisers, let's say. Okay. Let's start with one that I just, I don't understand anybody's thought process at all.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Okay. Mariners Reds. The Mariners trade. Mitch Hanager and Isaiah Campbell. Okay. They receive Shogo Akiyama, Nick Senzel, and Edley de la Cruz. Do you have any idea who that is? No, I do not.
Starting point is 00:02:28 I have no clue. Edley-Dala Cruz is a 19-year-old who is a solid prospect. Baseball trade values loves him almost ridiculously. They gave him like a 16 overall value higher than Mitch Hanigar. But when you look at his fan graphs page, you see he's 19. He's Rule 5 eligible this winter. So he's already been around around for a little while. and he did not hit at A ball this year.
Starting point is 00:03:00 So yeah, it's do you want to trade your starting right fielder for a bad outfielder who's making money? Nick Senzel, a failed prospect, at least so far. And Edley de la Cruz, who is, I mean, he's an interesting guy. He's number eight on baseball, or on MLB pipeline, prospect ranks. but he's 19 and he's not projected to be in the big leagues until for the Reds.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Yes, yes, for the Reds. Yeah. Yeah. This is a prime example of someone not knowing where the Mariners are right now. And I would assume this is a Reds fan
Starting point is 00:03:47 that put this together because not only are you taking off the horrible contract of Shogo Aguayama, you're also giving the Mariners pennies on the dollar for Mitch Hanager which I mean like and I'm talking about in terms I mean because this would be fine for rebuilding Mariners team that would be a fine return to get Senzel and De La Cruz but what I mean by pennies on the dollar here is that this makes no sense for a team that's actually trying to content none of these pieces have any value to the Mariners really
Starting point is 00:04:26 I mean, Senzel is interesting as like a utility guy. And like you said, if they were rebuilding, then Senzel is probably a guy you take a shot on because there is some upside there. But Akiama. I would like this trade if they were, I would like this trade if they were rebuilding, but they're not. Yeah. So the value on these two guys is really low to me. Right. And by the way, Akiama is going to make roughly the same as Hanuker this year.
Starting point is 00:04:53 So Akehama is thrown in there basically to help. help the Reds offset Hanegers $8 million salary. Yeah. So, I mean, that's, so basically the Reds want a massive upgrade to their lineup, but they don't want to pay for anybody,
Starting point is 00:05:09 with anybody who is going to, you know, help them, help the Mariners before, you know, 20, 23 at the earliest. And they want to do it without adding any payroll.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Yeah. I just selfish, selfish, selfish, red fans. Why would the, Mariners ever accept this. Yeah, it's so stupid.
Starting point is 00:05:29 It's really, it's really stupid. Yeah, like, again, I would, it would be fine. I mean, it's not my favorite return for Mitch Hanigur in terms of just like, even if they were rebuilding, but if this came across the ticker, you know, two years ago or something, sure. Okay. But yeah, now, no. None of these players help me really, you know, since I'll maybe.
Starting point is 00:05:55 but Senzel has Here's his WRC pluses I just looked him up on fan graphs For the last three years 87 in 2019 54 in 2020 72 in 2020 And he played 104 games in 2019
Starting point is 00:06:12 25 or sorry 23 in 2020 and 36 in 2021 Yeah Yeah Nick Senzel is the guys of Mariners Nick since L's a guy the Mariners go trade
Starting point is 00:06:28 like Drew Steckin Rider for and they're like, well, we're taking a shot because we think we can replace Steck and Rider. Yeah, that happens then fine. Whatever. For Mitch Anaker. Just no. Do better, Reds fan. Do better. All right. So next up here, let's go with
Starting point is 00:06:49 Mariners Marlins. We have Kyle Lewis. noel v marty and taylor tremel for sandy alcontera so let me uh reiterate the the trade package again here it's no lve marty it's uh kahl lewis and taylor tremel yep it's just those three guys for alconra uh yeah that's uh low balling the the Marlins there. Alcantra is probably like if we're being realistic here
Starting point is 00:07:33 Alcantra is you're probably going to have to trade Julio for Alcandra or Kellnick. Yep. It's like I just I don't see the Marlins moving off of him. He's the second half of 2021 was incredible for him and he
Starting point is 00:07:49 he's starting to develop into a true ace down there and they're looking to compete now. I think with a pretty decent off season. The marlins could be pretty solid in 2020. Probably a lot better than people are expecting. So I honestly, I don't even really see them
Starting point is 00:08:08 entertaining the trading Alcantra. But if they do, it's going to take Kellnick or Julio. He's, yeah, like, the guy looks like a future ace. He's only 26 and he's already trending in that direction. I just
Starting point is 00:08:24 over two hundred innings pitched this year. And in 2019, his last full season, obviously 2020, nobody had a full season. But in 2019, he threw 197 innings. So this is like a true workhorse here. Yeah. So yeah, it's just, it's like, look, don't get me wrong. I love the pitcher.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Yeah. He's just not available, guys. He's not going to be available. And that sucks. Well, he's not going to be available for that. For sure. Right. I mean, what's interesting is when you look at the, you look at trade values,
Starting point is 00:09:02 there were quite a few, you know, Marlins trade for Kyle Lewis type of deals. And I get it from the Marlins standpoint. Lewis makes a little bit of sense. They need some outfield help and he's young and affordable. But like if you're the Mariners, what are the, you know, what are you trading Kyle Lewis to the Marlins for? That helps you more than potentially Kyle Lewis. yeah like it would have to be
Starting point is 00:09:28 Alcantra really or like Pablo Lopez Pablo Lopez as well yeah that's about it those two guys like I wouldn't trade Kyle Lewis for Sixth of Sanchez like I'm not gonna do that
Starting point is 00:09:41 I'm not gonna trade him for Rogers I'm not yeah I it would have to be you know and obviously it wouldn't just be Kyle Lewis for Pablo Lopez straight up or Kyle Lewis for Alcantra straight up
Starting point is 00:09:55 but he would be, you know, a leading piece in that. Let me ask you this real quick before we hop on over to our next segment. Would you trade Julio Rodriguez for Sandy Alcantra plus Julio plus something? No. For Sandy Alcantra. Yeah. Yeah, I'm probably with you on that. It's just we talked about this yesterday with Julio as well that it just he kind of feels untouchable, as untouchable as a prospect can get.
Starting point is 00:10:27 And I just don't know. Like, I love Alcandra. Don't give you wrong. And I love the trend that he's going on right now. I don't know if Alcantra is there yet for me to trade Julio. Yeah. I mean, Julio is a special piece.
Starting point is 00:10:43 You know, and that's like if you're going to trade that piece, it's got to be for something pretty amazing. Yeah. Again, I love Alcantra, but I just, yeah. You know, it's one of those things where it's like, if the Mariners decided to do that,
Starting point is 00:10:58 I would trust their judgment. Sure. Yeah. I agree with that. I would be absolutely bummed to lose Julio. But at the same time, to be honest, I wouldn't care that much because Sandy Alcontra,
Starting point is 00:11:10 like I said, I think he's going to be an ace. He's got three years of club control left. He's only 26. And, you know, it's the Mariners pitching development. I mean,
Starting point is 00:11:20 it's hard not to get excited whenever they acquire a pitcher. But for me, would I do it? No. I would try the three number threes instead of the trying to acquire the number one at that point. Yeah, I hear you on that. All right, so we're going to talk about more trades in just a moment, but real quick, I just want to remind you that this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by rockauto.com.
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Starting point is 00:13:02 So Colby, before all that madness starts, you know, of course, there's going to be more trade proposals and all these fan-made off-season plans, et cetera. Let's get into more of these trade proposals here on baseball trade values.com. You have anything good, potentially, to go over, or is this all just kind of in the mediocre realm like we saw in the first segment? The Lewis and Marte trade for Alcantra might be the best one I found. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Yeah, I just, like, here's one I don't get. Okay. It's another team that doesn't get where the Mariners are, even though this guy's favorite team, I'm assuming, was looking up at the Mariners in the standings all year. Oh, okay. Yep, I understand who this might be. It's Seattle and Cleveland.
Starting point is 00:14:03 So the Mariners would give up Kyle Lewis, popular name on here, and Emerson Hancock. They would get Josh and Bo Naler and Ahmed Rosario. What? man
Starting point is 00:14:24 it's like I was like I was like okay Kyle Lewis and Emerson Hancock this is probably going to be a
Starting point is 00:14:33 Jose Ramirez tread uh no it was not it is not it is not um
Starting point is 00:14:40 okay I don't know what Josh Naylor did this year to be quite honest with you I know the bow is not having a
Starting point is 00:14:49 great time down on the miners lately what value what value do either one of those guys add?
Starting point is 00:14:59 Particularly Josh since he's at the major league level and then Ahmed Rosario is someone that we've been asked about
Starting point is 00:15:10 which I like him he's a fine player you know but for Kyle Lewis and Emerson Hancock yeah no
Starting point is 00:15:22 I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that one. Yeah, it's like by the way, Josh Nailer is at 253, 301, 399 this year.
Starting point is 00:15:38 So yeah. So basically I'm training Kyle Lewis and Emerson Hancock for I'm Edwards. I'm sorry. I mean, like, look, Bo Nailer is, he's a nice prospect, but he, there's no getting around. He struggled this year. Um, like hard.
Starting point is 00:15:55 And Josh Nailer is a, former first round pick who's only 24 but you know he's he's got you know about a year's a full year's worth of at bats played appearances 6333 and he's at 250 306 389 it's
Starting point is 00:16:12 yeah it's like wasn't like power is supposed to be one of his calling cards it's just yeah it's fun story uh I did see Josh Naylor crack the glass of the former hit at here cafe in batting practice this year.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Oh, yeah. Like, just a missing. Oh, yeah, I remember seeing the tweet about that. Yeah. Yeah, that was Naylor. So I saw that. And so, yeah, I mean, batting practice power is neat. But he's not a good outfielder.
Starting point is 00:16:46 He's not a good base runner. He can hit the ball hard, but he doesn't, you know, he doesn't walk enough to put up a respectable on base yet. and you know the power hasn't come so Seattle's basically trading you know one of their best pitching prospects um like basically you almost have to look at this deal as Hancock for Josh and Bo Naler which no thanks I'd rather have Hancock um and then Lewis for Rosario and I like Rosario he's a interesting player but yeah he's not better than Lewis in center field he's not better than JP at shortstop he's not doesn't have the bat to play third so
Starting point is 00:17:25 you know. And also he only played 18 games in Settarfield. Yeah, I just Rosario's a nice player, but like, is he better than Kyle Lewis? No.
Starting point is 00:17:37 So Seattle just lose both, both ends of this trade. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a very favorable trade for Cleveland. It is. All right.
Starting point is 00:17:50 So I wish I could say they get better, but, oh boy. Maybe. All right. Let me give you, I'm going to save one, at least semi interesting one for the last segment here. Let me give you the one that really made me, you know, scratch my head a little bit here. Well, there's two of those left.
Starting point is 00:18:08 But anyways, uh-huh. Two of these trades, believe it or not, surprise, surprise are between the race and the Mariners. Here's the first one. Oh, all right. The Mariners trade Mitch Hanager and Kyle Lewis, of course. Oh, God. All right. Sure.
Starting point is 00:18:21 To the raise for. It seems to be a trend. to the raise for Vidal Brugon for two Major League outfielders like starting caliber major league outfielders
Starting point is 00:18:35 yeah no no also like wouldn't the raise want like some money or something to take on Mitch Hanegger's $8.5 million obviously that's not a lot but for the raise that is
Starting point is 00:18:52 just like yeah I mean like a little Bruhan Brouhan came up this year he played 10 games he was worth negative 0.5 F4
Starting point is 00:19:07 in 10 games just 10 games yeah that's 26 light appearances and he was worth negative half a win how was that possible I don't know I
Starting point is 00:19:20 like I said I really like Brugon yeah he's one of my favorite prospects you know, but he's 23 and the overwhelming odds are that is that he cannot help the Mariners in 2022, particularly because the Mariners are trying to win in 2022. So if he can't help your team win, then it doesn't make sense to trade Mitch Hanager, who we know can help the team win and Kyle Lewis, who if he's healthy, we feel pretty confident, is going to help this team win.
Starting point is 00:19:54 So I guess I'm just sitting here like, like, wouldn't it make more sense if this was like Hancock for Brugon? What, you know what I mean? Like prospect for prospect? Well, it also helps. It also helps the raise get a man off of their 40 men. So. Right. And that's going to be an issue for them.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Like honestly, honestly, if, if the Mariners just traded like Kyle Lewis for Bruchon straight up, I could understand why. Yeah, I wouldn't get that. But for Hanager plus Lewis, that's just a lot, man. For, you know, a guy that, like you said, is just not going to help you next year, probably. I mean, you can't bank on it. Like, he might help you, but you can't bank on that. But here's a deal for, which I mean, you're kind of doing with Lewis as well, right? Like Jerry said, like, we're looking at what Lewis brings to us as a bonus.
Starting point is 00:20:50 So, and that adds some weight to what you were saying. like if it was Lewis for Bruhan then sure cool whatever that makes sense um but you add Hanager on top of that who's now you got two holes in your outfield obviously brujon can play some outfield but like you're just you're losing a lot of value in Hanager right you feel confident that Hanager is going to be like a 110 to 120 WRC plus guy yeah like he's going to be a three I feel pretty right and I feel pretty confident that Lewis, if he's healthy, is going to be at least a league average bat and a league average center
Starting point is 00:21:30 fielder. I think he's at least a two-win player, if not probably closer to three, if he plays enough games. But so it's like, I'm trading six wins in 2022 for maybe two wins if Brugon is decent. Like,
Starting point is 00:21:47 I just, what's the point? The Mariners are going for it, people. They're not. going to make these type of trades. So, you know, maybe if you want to, I mean, there's the thing. Like even if you're like, okay, well, let's say it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Hanneger and, and Lewis for Brugon and.
Starting point is 00:22:06 And who's the and that makes this trade make sense? Because it's not like Austin Meadows. I mean, no. It's not Ryan Yarborough. Like, that's no. Because you still have to replace you still have to, you still have two, you just created two holes in your lineup because you can't count on Brugon to, to, to, to, be the solution to one of those holes. If you can't count Kyle Lewis as a solution and Jerry's
Starting point is 00:22:29 already said they're not going to do that, then you certainly can't do it for Brugon. So this trade, it just, yeah, yeah, very good points. It's not well thought out. All right, we're going to look at the final two trades in just a moment, but real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by betonline.ag. We're back and better than ever. A new web interface for the start of the basketball season and more props, odds, and lines than ever before. Our bet online remains your number one spot for all the basketball and football action this season. Head to our new updated desktop or mobile website to sign up today and receive your 50% welcome bonus on your first deposit. Just use our promo code locked on to receive your bonus.
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Starting point is 00:23:36 So Mariners, Yankees, simple one-for-one swap. Okay. The Mariners trade Emerson Hancock. Okay. To the Yankees for Glaber Torres. It's not terrible. i'll say that um kind of depends on how you feel about Torres yeah which and really now talk honestly right now not great but Hancock of course has probably lost some value naturally
Starting point is 00:24:08 because of the shoulder issues there's going to be teams that are hesitant to trade for him because of that um or to value him that the way that the mariners are probably going to value him Torres has been not great for the last two years to put it lightly but there's definitely you know we've seen the ceiling there on on him and that's you know pretty
Starting point is 00:24:30 pretty darn good player you know three win two and a half one player but he hasn't been that you know last two years particularly the power numbers have just completely gone out of the window he slugged
Starting point is 00:24:45 366 this year and 368 in 2020 as well. He's hit 12 home runs in that time. And that's coming off of a 38 home run season and a 24 home run season. So no clue what's really happened there. It's not a good defender. I mean, like we've talked about Torres some.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And the sentiment has always been, you know, if they did trade for him, fine. But like, you need something better in the infield to pair with him. like you would need to have a you know, Jose Ramirez or Chris Bryant or someone like that to pair with him like you couldn't go into next year feeling great about Glaver Torres and
Starting point is 00:25:24 Abraham Toro at second and third. Yeah, for Hancock, I just, I feel like Hancock would be more valuable helping you get something else in a package than trading him one for one for a Glaber Torres who certainly sealing there. There's a lot of potential there, but
Starting point is 00:25:43 I don't know if I want to bank on that right now. And again, if it's later in the off season, maybe, and maybe you have a really nice piece at third base, you feel good about, you know, Torres is like the third best bat that you had or even the fourth. Sure. But I don't know. It's just the last two years are pretty scary.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Yeah. if I could guarantee you that Torres was going to come out and just hit his career average, which is 268, 338, 456, which career 113 WRC plus. Do you make the trade for three years of that? Yeah, I'd probably trade Anderson, Hancock, for that. Yeah, I think I would too. Yeah. But unfortunately, he came out this year and honestly, the batting average and on base were right in line.
Starting point is 00:26:36 259, 331, so about 7 to 9 point difference there. The big difference is the slugging in the last two years. He's slugged 368 and 366 after slugging 480 and 535 in his first two years. So where's the power gone? He actually walks at a decent clip. He doesn't strike out that much. Like I'm still convinced there's a good player somewhere in Glaber Torres. The question is can the Mariners get that figured out in 2020 because they need that to happen?
Starting point is 00:27:10 Yeah. Because I mean, look, it's, it's, it's kind of the discussion that we've had with the Matt Chapman thing, uh, in a way. It's like, yeah, obviously there's this high ceiling. Obviously, Chapman's been a historically a better player than Torres. But, um, similar idea in the sense that, you know, we've seen that ceiling, but I don't want to trade for a player that was, you know, I don't want to trade for that player that, you know, existed in 2018. I want to trade for the, you know, I want to evaluate this player as they have played for the last two years, right? And I want to look at it. And I want to look at it. You know, you know, I want to look at it. You know, like that and you have to look at Torres from the last two years. You can not look at Torres and look at 2018 2019 and be like, that's the player that I'm absolutely getting back. Like you have to accept the risk here and you have
Starting point is 00:27:52 to evaluate it as such and it's just Right. That's also and the same could also be said for Hancock. So yeah personally I think the Yankees are going to roll back at least one more year with Torres. That's an interesting one. I think you can have some discussion
Starting point is 00:28:08 there and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's you have to factor in the last two years for for Torres and he played in 169 games nice um so you know it's roughly a full season when you combine 2020 and 2020 and he had 12 home runs 15 stolen bases and he had about a league average 100 wRC plus give or take a few percentage points so it's just he was worth about two wins so that's just a you know an everyday second basement, which is fine. But I think if you're trading Hancock, you're open for a little bit more. Well, because you're also hoping that Hancock could potentially develop into an ace.
Starting point is 00:28:51 You know, that's a legitimate conversation. That's being had about him. So, um, I mean, it's just like, obviously, it hasn't gotten off to a great start, you know, for sure. Yeah. And you got, and you can't be scared to trade your prospects, of course, as well. But, uh, I just, I don't know if I'm ready to give up on Hancock in that sense yet, where I'm trading him for a player that might hit, might not hit.
Starting point is 00:29:14 In the way that I want him to. Sure. You know, I think what we're saying here is go ahead and add Clint Fraser and we can talk. Of course, of course. Yes. But, yeah, no, that's probably the most interesting one we got. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:29:30 I like that one. So, yeah, now it's time for somebody who I'm going to assume doesn't under understand the entirety of the situation he's trying to create a trade out of. So Mariners raise. The Mariners would trade Zach Deloche, Emerson
Starting point is 00:29:53 Hancock, Andreas Munoz and Juan Tane for Tyler Glass now, who's probably not going to throw a pitch in 2022. Oh, no. Oh, no. So his one year
Starting point is 00:30:09 one year in 2023. You have to pay him in 2022. Keep in mind. You're probably going to have to pay him $4 or $5 million. So is one year in 23 coming off of Tommy John surgery of Tyler Glassnow is that worth
Starting point is 00:30:25 Zach De Loach, Emerson Hancock, Andreas Munoz, and Wantane. I'm going to say no. Yeah, look, if you're going to if you're going to try to craft a trade proposal for Tyler Glassnow, I suggest
Starting point is 00:30:41 It's just not doing it because usually doesn't turn out so well for a lot of folks. I would, yeah, I'm just going to say no to this one. It's just, that's, oh, boy, that's bad. For one year of Tyler Glass now, which isn't even going to be this year. It's going to be next year. And you have no idea what kind of pitcher you're getting back off of Tommy John. like you know i would trade more than i would white for him but i wouldn't i wouldn't do a whole lot more than that yeah it just seems like uh just no just no um it's like i i've taught i've
Starting point is 00:31:30 thought about glass now as kind of like a you know a stash basically um but never in my wildest dreams that i think about giving up you know a top 100 guy like emerson hamilton hamilton And, you know, a major league quality reliever in Munoz and a pretty good outfield prospect for for Glass now who maybe comes back and pitches at the end of last year. But anyway, you want to slice it. You're going to get like 22, 25 starts out of him max. And you don't even know what those. Those starts are going to look like what those innings are going to look like when he's coming off of Tommy John. So, like, you might only get, like, 10 quality starts out of them, if that.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Yeah. Yeah. And this, I'm assuming race fan thinks that he can get Zach Deloche and Emerson Hancock for that. Uh, no. Like, he might get Zach Deloach straight up. Like, maybe. But even that. I'm like, yeah, even that, like, from the Mariners perspective, that's a lot of risk that you're assuming.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Like, it's. Yeah. I'm not the. I just. I'm not the huge as Deloche fan. Yeah. Personally, I wouldn't touch glass now right now. I just don't say the point. What's the point
Starting point is 00:32:49 in trading for him right now? Revisit that next year. I mean, look, if you if they say, hey, we'll take one 10 for him, fine. Whatever. Sure. Like, okay. But they're like, oh yeah, no. We're told, because there's a decent chance they
Starting point is 00:33:04 non-tender him. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they will, but the raise are incredibly cheap. And are they going to want to pay $6 million to a guy who's not going to throw a pitch next year? No, so do I think they'll maybe shop him? Yeah, but it's like, like, I'm not touching anybody probably higher than
Starting point is 00:33:24 than Juan Tane on my prospect list. He's still that high for you though, right? No, no, though. For you? I don't think so. I don't have my list pulled up for him. I mean, like, it's it, like, I wouldn't trade
Starting point is 00:33:40 Bryce Miller for him. Yeah. As crazy as that sounds. I mean, I'll trade. I'll trade Taylor Dullard or Cade Marlowe. Even Cade Marlowe. But, you know, it's just like, come on. What do you do?
Starting point is 00:33:55 I mean, I would probably trade the 24-year-old an outfield prospect that hasn't played above high A for Tyler. Excuse me. He played a AA last year. Oh, yeah, that's right. He did play some double A. He got into double A. Don't you be, he played 42 games at double A.
Starting point is 00:34:11 A. Did he actually? And he put, yes. I thought he only played like 10 or 20. No, he posted a whopping 307 slugging percentage. Oh.
Starting point is 00:34:22 And a 333 on base. So. Don't you dare be smart. Hey, that is top 30 Mariner prospect, Cade Marlowe, according to MLB pipeline, which I'm going to say no to,
Starting point is 00:34:34 but good effort, guys. All right. That's, that certainly lived up to the, to the, entertainment value, I think. That's going to do it for today's episode of...
Starting point is 00:34:45 Hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, way, wait. Okay. I need to make a correction here. Okay. Okay, okay. I'm sorry. Apologies. That was Patrick Frick, who we like,
Starting point is 00:34:56 who hit 30, with the 307 slugging percentage in double-off. Oh, okay. In fact, Cade Marlowe made it to AAA for one game. Oh, okay. And he apparently went, let's see
Starting point is 00:35:14 get a 750 on base and a 1,000 slugging went two for three with a walk and a stolen base okay so K. Marlowe is better than Julio Roderite is what you're saying. I mean,
Starting point is 00:35:28 effectively, yes, but he did not make it to double A actually. So he did play, he did stop an A ball. Okay, so I was right. I was right.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Yeah. So there you go. There you go. Broken clocks and whatnot. I, I, I, yeah i mean you know i'm about to get one here and there
Starting point is 00:35:47 all right well that's uh that's gonna do it for today's episode of locked on mariners just as i was saying before colby colby rudely interrupted me thank you so much right man yeah clearly yeah hey you know thank you for admitting that you were wrong once in your life i didn't say that well you pretty much did your eyes did though they can't see it i can't either to be honest with you. Thank you so much for joining us here on Lockdown Mariners for Colby Pat. I'm Ty Dan Gonzalez.
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