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Episode Date: October 19, 2021It's Mock Trade Tuesday on Locked On Mariners as hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode break down six trades from BaseballTradeValues.com, including a ridiculous Mitch Haniger-to-the-Reds proposal,... a Gleyber Torres deal and more.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: lockedonmariners@gmail.comFollow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Rock AutoAmazing selection. Reliably low prices. All the parts your car will ever need. Visit RockAuto.com and tell them Locked On sent you.BetOnline AGThere is only 1 place that has you covered and 1 place we trust. Betonline.ag! Sign up today for a free account at betonline.ag and use that promocode: LOCKEDON for your 50% welcome bonus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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It is mock trade Tuesday here on Locked-on Mariners.
Colby's compiled some Mariners trade proposals from baseball trade values.com,
which is a highly entertaining website,
especially if you're looking for a good lap.
About 98% of the trades on there are truly just awful, terrible, no good whatsoever.
And then there's a few good ones that end up sneaking on through.
I have not seen the trades that Colby has put together here.
So I'll be reacting alongside you and should be a good time.
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So, Colby, what do you got for me, man?
The baseball trade value gods were not as kind this week as they were back in, you know, the first week we did this.
They're not so many god-awful trades, but certainly some eyebrow raisers, let's say.
Okay.
Let's start with one that I just, I don't understand anybody's thought process at all.
Okay.
Mariners Reds.
The Mariners trade.
Mitch Hanager and Isaiah Campbell.
Okay.
They receive Shogo Akiyama, Nick Senzel, and Edley de la Cruz.
Do you have any idea who that is?
No, I do not.
I have no clue.
Edley-Dala Cruz is a 19-year-old who is a solid prospect.
Baseball trade values loves him almost ridiculously.
They gave him like a 16 overall value higher than Mitch Hanigar.
But when you look at his fan graphs page, you see he's 19.
He's Rule 5 eligible this winter.
So he's already been around around for a little while.
and he did not hit at A ball this year.
So yeah, it's do you want to trade your starting right fielder
for a bad outfielder who's making money?
Nick Senzel, a failed prospect, at least so far.
And Edley de la Cruz, who is, I mean, he's an interesting guy.
He's number eight on baseball, or on MLB pipeline, prospect ranks.
but he's 19
and he's not projected to be in the big leagues until
for the Reds.
Yes, yes, for the Reds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is a prime example of
someone not knowing where the Mariners are
right now.
And I would assume
this is a Reds fan
that put this together because
not only are you taking off
the horrible contract of Shogo Aguayama,
you're also giving the Mariners pennies on the dollar for Mitch Hanager
which I mean like and I'm talking about in terms I mean because this would be fine for rebuilding Mariners team
that would be a fine return to get Senzel and De La Cruz but what I mean by pennies on the dollar here
is that this makes no sense for a team that's actually trying to content
none of these pieces have any value to the Mariners really
I mean, Senzel is interesting as like a utility guy.
And like you said, if they were rebuilding, then Senzel is probably a guy you take a shot on because there is some upside there.
But Akiama.
I would like this trade if they were, I would like this trade if they were rebuilding, but they're not.
Yeah.
So the value on these two guys is really low to me.
Right.
And by the way, Akiama is going to make roughly the same as Hanuker this year.
So Akehama is thrown in there basically to help.
help the Reds offset Hanegers $8 million salary.
Yeah.
So,
I mean,
that's,
so basically the Reds want a massive upgrade to their lineup,
but they don't want to pay for anybody,
with anybody who is going to,
you know,
help them,
help the Mariners before,
you know,
20,
23 at the earliest.
And they want to do it without adding any payroll.
Yeah.
I just selfish,
selfish,
selfish,
red fans.
Why would the,
Mariners ever accept this.
Yeah, it's so stupid.
It's really, it's really stupid.
Yeah, like, again, I would, it would be fine.
I mean, it's not my favorite return for Mitch Hanigur in terms of just like,
even if they were rebuilding, but if this came across the ticker, you know,
two years ago or something, sure.
Okay.
But yeah, now, no.
None of these players help me really, you know, since I'll maybe.
but Senzel has
Here's his WRC pluses
I just looked him up on fan graphs
For the last three years
87 in 2019
54 in 2020
72 in 2020
And he played 104 games in 2019
25 or sorry
23 in 2020 and
36 in 2021
Yeah
Yeah
Nick Senzel is the guys of Mariners
Nick
since L's a guy the Mariners go trade
like Drew Steckin Rider for and they're like, well,
we're taking a shot because we think we can replace Steck and Rider.
Yeah, that happens then fine.
Whatever.
For Mitch Anaker.
Just no. Do better, Reds fan.
Do better. All right.
So next up here, let's go with
Mariners Marlins.
We have Kyle Lewis.
noel v marty and taylor tremel for sandy alcontera
so let me uh reiterate the the trade package again here it's no lve marty it's uh kahl lewis and
taylor tremel yep it's just those three guys for alconra uh yeah that's uh low balling the
the Marlins there.
Alcantra is probably
like if we're being realistic here
Alcantra is you're probably
going to have to trade Julio
for Alcandra or Kellnick.
Yep.
It's like I just
I don't see the Marlins moving off of him.
He's the second half of 2021
was incredible for him and he
he's starting to develop into a true ace
down there and they're looking to compete now.
I think with a pretty decent
off season. The marlins could be
pretty solid in 2020.
Probably a lot better than people are expecting.
So I
honestly, I don't even really see them
entertaining the trading Alcantra.
But if they do,
it's going to take Kellnick
or Julio.
He's, yeah, like,
the guy looks like a future ace. He's
only 26 and he's already
trending in that direction. I just
over two
hundred innings pitched this year.
And in 2019, his last full season, obviously 2020, nobody had a full season.
But in 2019, he threw 197 innings.
So this is like a true workhorse here.
Yeah.
So yeah, it's just, it's like, look, don't get me wrong.
I love the pitcher.
Yeah.
He's just not available, guys.
He's not going to be available.
And that sucks.
Well, he's not going to be available for that.
For sure.
Right.
I mean, what's interesting is when you look at the, you look at trade values,
there were quite a few, you know, Marlins trade for Kyle Lewis type of deals.
And I get it from the Marlins standpoint.
Lewis makes a little bit of sense.
They need some outfield help and he's young and affordable.
But like if you're the Mariners, what are the, you know,
what are you trading Kyle Lewis to the Marlins for?
That helps you more than potentially Kyle Lewis.
yeah like it would have to be
Alcantra really or like
Pablo Lopez
Pablo Lopez as well
yeah
that's about it
those two guys like I wouldn't trade
Kyle Lewis for Sixth of Sanchez
like I'm not gonna do that
I'm not gonna trade him for Rogers
I'm not
yeah I
it would have to be
you know and obviously it wouldn't just be
Kyle Lewis for Pablo Lopez
straight up or Kyle Lewis for
Alcantra straight up
but he would be, you know, a leading piece in that.
Let me ask you this real quick before we hop on over to our next segment.
Would you trade Julio Rodriguez for Sandy Alcantra plus Julio plus something?
No.
For Sandy Alcantra.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm probably with you on that.
It's just we talked about this yesterday with Julio as well that it just he kind of feels untouchable, as untouchable as a prospect can get.
And I just don't know.
Like, I love Alcandra.
Don't give you wrong.
And I love the trend that he's going on right now.
I don't know if Alcantra is there yet for me to trade Julio.
Yeah.
I mean,
Julio is a special piece.
You know,
and that's like if you're going to trade that piece,
it's got to be for something pretty amazing.
Yeah.
Again, I love Alcantra, but I just,
yeah.
You know, it's one of those things where it's like,
if the Mariners decided to do that,
I would trust their judgment.
Sure.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
I would be absolutely bummed to lose Julio.
But at the same time,
to be honest,
I wouldn't care that much because Sandy Alcontra,
like I said,
I think he's going to be an ace.
He's got three years of club control left.
He's only 26.
And,
you know,
it's the Mariners pitching development.
I mean,
it's hard not to get excited whenever they acquire a pitcher.
But for me,
would I do it?
No.
I would try the three number threes instead of the trying to acquire the number one at that point.
Yeah, I hear you on that.
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So Colby, before all that madness starts, you know, of course, there's going to be more
trade proposals and all these fan-made off-season plans, et cetera.
Let's get into more of these trade proposals here on baseball trade values.com.
You have anything good, potentially, to go over, or is this all just kind of in the mediocre realm
like we saw in the first segment?
The Lewis and Marte trade for Alcantra might be the best one I found.
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, I just, like, here's one I don't get.
Okay.
It's another team that doesn't get where the Mariners are,
even though this guy's favorite team, I'm assuming,
was looking up at the Mariners in the standings all year.
Oh, okay.
Yep, I understand who this might be.
It's Seattle and Cleveland.
So the Mariners would give up
Kyle Lewis, popular name on here,
and Emerson Hancock.
They would get
Josh and Bo Naler
and Ahmed Rosario.
What?
man
it's like
I was like
I was like
okay
Kyle Lewis
and Emerson Hancock
this is probably
going to be a
Jose Ramirez
tread
uh
no
it was not
it is not
it is not
um
okay
I don't know what
Josh Naylor
did this year
to be quite honest
with you
I know the
bow is not having a
great time
down on the miners
lately
what
value
what value
do either one of those guys
add?
Particularly Josh
since he's at
the major league level
and then
Ahmed
Rosario is someone
that we've been
asked about
which I like him
he's a fine player
you know
but for Kyle Lewis
and Emerson
Hancock
yeah
no
I'm gonna
I'm gonna
pass on
that one.
Yeah, it's
like by the way,
Josh Nailer is at 253,
301, 399 this year.
So yeah.
So basically I'm training Kyle Lewis
and Emerson Hancock for
I'm Edwards. I'm sorry. I mean,
like, look, Bo Nailer is, he's a nice
prospect, but he, there's no getting around.
He struggled this year.
Um, like hard.
And Josh Nailer is a,
former first round pick who's only 24 but
you know he's he's got
you know about a year's a full
year's worth of at bats played appearances
6333
and he's at 250 306
389 it's
yeah it's like
wasn't like power is supposed to be one of his
calling cards it's just
yeah it's
fun story uh I did see
Josh Naylor crack the glass of the
former hit at here cafe
in batting practice this year.
Oh, yeah.
Like, just a missing.
Oh, yeah, I remember seeing the tweet about that.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was Naylor.
So I saw that.
And so, yeah, I mean, batting practice power is neat.
But he's not a good outfielder.
He's not a good base runner.
He can hit the ball hard, but he doesn't, you know,
he doesn't walk enough to put up a respectable on base yet.
and you know the power hasn't come so Seattle's basically trading you know one of their best pitching prospects
um like basically you almost have to look at this deal as Hancock for Josh and Bo Naler
which no thanks I'd rather have Hancock um and then Lewis for Rosario and I like Rosario
he's a interesting player but yeah he's not better than Lewis in center field he's not better
than JP at shortstop he's not doesn't have the bat to play third so
you know.
And also he only played 18 games in
Settarfield.
Yeah, I just
Rosario's a nice player,
but like,
is he better than Kyle Lewis?
No.
So Seattle just lose both,
both ends of this trade.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a
that's a very favorable
trade for Cleveland.
It is.
All right.
So I wish I could say they get better,
but,
oh boy.
Maybe.
All right.
Let me give you, I'm going to save one, at least semi interesting one for the last segment here.
Let me give you the one that really made me, you know, scratch my head a little bit here.
Well, there's two of those left.
But anyways, uh-huh.
Two of these trades, believe it or not, surprise, surprise are between the race and the Mariners.
Here's the first one.
Oh, all right.
The Mariners trade Mitch Hanager and Kyle Lewis, of course.
Oh, God.
All right.
Sure.
To the raise for.
It seems to be a trend.
to the raise for
Vidal Brugon
for two
Major League outfielders
like starting
caliber major league outfielders
yeah
no no
also like
wouldn't the raise want
like some money or something to take on
Mitch Hanegger's $8.5 million
obviously that's not a lot but for the raise
that is
just like yeah
I mean
like a little
Bruhan
Brouhan came up this year
he played 10 games
he was worth
negative 0.5 F4
in 10 games
just 10 games
yeah
that's 26 light appearances
and he was worth
negative half a win
how was that possible
I don't know I
like I said I really like Brugon
yeah he's one of my favorite
prospects
you know, but he's 23 and the overwhelming odds are that is that he cannot help the Mariners
in 2022, particularly because the Mariners are trying to win in 2022.
So if he can't help your team win, then it doesn't make sense to trade Mitch Hanager,
who we know can help the team win and Kyle Lewis, who if he's healthy, we feel pretty confident,
is going to help this team win.
So I guess I'm just sitting here like, like, wouldn't it make more sense if this was like Hancock for Brugon?
What, you know what I mean?
Like prospect for prospect?
Well, it also helps.
It also helps the raise get a man off of their 40 men.
So.
Right.
And that's going to be an issue for them.
Like honestly, honestly, if, if the Mariners just traded like Kyle Lewis for Bruchon straight up, I could understand why.
Yeah, I wouldn't get that.
But for Hanager plus Lewis, that's just a lot, man.
For, you know, a guy that, like you said, is just not going to help you next year, probably.
I mean, you can't bank on it.
Like, he might help you, but you can't bank on that.
But here's a deal for, which I mean, you're kind of doing with Lewis as well, right?
Like Jerry said, like, we're looking at what Lewis brings to us as a bonus.
So, and that adds some weight to what you were saying.
like if it was Lewis for Bruhan then sure cool whatever that makes sense um but you add
Hanager on top of that who's now you got two holes in your outfield obviously brujon can
play some outfield but like you're just you're losing a lot of value in Hanager right you feel
confident that Hanager is going to be like a 110 to 120 WRC plus guy yeah like he's going to be a
three I feel pretty right and I
feel pretty confident that Lewis, if he's healthy,
is going to be at least a league average bat and a league average center
fielder. I think he's at least a two-win player,
if not probably closer to three,
if he plays enough games.
But so it's like,
I'm trading six wins in 2022
for maybe two wins
if Brugon is decent.
Like,
I just,
what's the point?
The Mariners are going for it, people.
They're not.
going to make these type of trades.
So, you know, maybe if you want to, I mean, there's the thing.
Like even if you're like, okay, well, let's say it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
Hanneger and, and Lewis for Brugon and.
And who's the and that makes this trade make sense?
Because it's not like Austin Meadows.
I mean, no.
It's not Ryan Yarborough.
Like, that's no.
Because you still have to replace you still have to, you still have two, you just created two
holes in your lineup because you can't count on Brugon to, to, to, to,
be the solution to one of those holes. If you can't count Kyle Lewis as a solution and Jerry's
already said they're not going to do that, then you certainly can't do it for Brugon. So this trade,
it just, yeah, yeah, very good points. It's not well thought out. All right, we're going to look
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All right, four trades down, two to go.
Colby, what do you got for me?
All right.
So let's start with the, we'll save the last raise trade for last here.
So Mariners, Yankees, simple one-for-one swap.
Okay.
The Mariners trade Emerson Hancock.
Okay.
To the Yankees for Glaber Torres.
It's not terrible.
i'll say that um kind of depends on how you feel about Torres yeah which and really
now talk honestly right now not great but Hancock of course has probably lost some value naturally
because of the shoulder issues there's going to be teams that are hesitant to trade for him
because of that um or to value him that the way that the mariners are probably going to value him
Torres has been
not great for the last two years
to put it lightly
but there's definitely
you know we've seen the ceiling there on
on him and that's you know pretty
pretty darn good player
you know three win two and a half one player
but he hasn't been that
you know last two years
particularly the
power numbers have
just completely gone out of the window
he slugged
366 this year
and 368 in 2020 as well.
He's hit 12 home runs in that time.
And that's coming off of a 38 home run season and a 24 home run season.
So no clue what's really happened there.
It's not a good defender.
I mean,
like we've talked about Torres some.
And the sentiment has always been, you know,
if they did trade for him, fine.
But like, you need something better in the infield to pair with him.
like you would need to have a
you know, Jose Ramirez or
Chris Bryant or someone like that to pair
with him like you couldn't go into next year
feeling great about Glaver Torres and
Abraham Toro at second and third.
Yeah, for
Hancock, I just, I feel like Hancock would be more
valuable helping you get something else
in a package than trading him
one for one for a Glaber Torres who
certainly sealing there.
There's a lot of potential there, but
I don't know if I want to bank on that right now.
And again, if it's later in the off season, maybe,
and maybe you have a really nice piece at third base,
you feel good about, you know, Torres is like the third best bat that you had or
even the fourth.
Sure.
But I don't know.
It's just the last two years are pretty scary.
Yeah.
if I could guarantee you that Torres was going to come out and just hit his career average,
which is 268, 338, 456, which career 113 WRC plus.
Do you make the trade for three years of that?
Yeah, I'd probably trade Anderson, Hancock, for that.
Yeah, I think I would too.
Yeah.
But unfortunately, he came out this year and honestly, the batting average and on base were right in line.
259, 331, so about 7 to 9 point difference there.
The big difference is the slugging in the last two years.
He's slugged 368 and 366 after slugging 480 and 535 in his first two years.
So where's the power gone?
He actually walks at a decent clip.
He doesn't strike out that much.
Like I'm still convinced there's a good player somewhere in Glaber Torres.
The question is can the Mariners get that figured out in 2020 because they need that to happen?
Yeah.
Because I mean, look, it's, it's, it's kind of the discussion that we've had with the Matt Chapman thing, uh, in a way. It's like, yeah, obviously there's this high ceiling. Obviously, Chapman's been a historically a better player than Torres. But, um, similar idea in the sense that, you know, we've seen that ceiling, but I don't want to trade for a player that was, you know, I don't want to trade for that player that, you know, existed in 2018. I want to trade for the, you know, I want to evaluate this player as they have played for the last two years, right? And I want to look at it. And I want to look at it. You know, you know, I want to look at it. You know,
like that and you have to look at Torres
from the last two years. You can not look at
Torres and look at 2018
2019 and be like, that's the player that I'm
absolutely getting back. Like you have
to accept the risk here and you have
to evaluate it as such and it's just
Right.
That's also and the same
could also be said for Hancock.
So
yeah personally I think the Yankees are going to roll back at least one more year
with Torres.
That's an interesting one. I think you can have some discussion
there and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's
you have to factor in the last two years for for Torres and he played in 169 games nice um
so you know it's roughly a full season when you combine 2020 and 2020 and he had 12 home
runs 15 stolen bases and he had about a league average 100 wRC plus give or take a few percentage
points so it's just he was worth about two wins so that's just a you know an everyday second
basement, which is fine.
But I think if you're trading Hancock, you're open for a little bit more.
Well, because you're also hoping that Hancock could potentially develop into an ace.
You know, that's a legitimate conversation.
That's being had about him.
So, um, I mean, it's just like, obviously, it hasn't gotten off to a great start, you know,
for sure.
Yeah.
And you got, and you can't be scared to trade your prospects, of course, as well.
But, uh, I just, I don't know if I'm ready to give up on Hancock in that sense yet,
where I'm trading him for a player that might hit, might not hit.
In the way that I want him to.
Sure.
You know, I think what we're saying here is go ahead and add Clint Fraser and we can talk.
Of course, of course.
Yes.
But, yeah, no, that's probably the most interesting one we got.
Yeah.
All right.
I like that one.
So, yeah, now it's time for somebody who I'm going to assume doesn't under
understand the entirety of
the situation he's
trying to create a trade
out of. So Mariners raise.
The Mariners would trade
Zach Deloche, Emerson
Hancock, Andreas Munoz
and Juan Tane
for
Tyler Glass now, who's probably not going to
throw a pitch in 2022.
Oh, no. Oh, no.
So
his one year
one year in
2023. You have to pay him in
2022. Keep in mind. You're probably
going to have to pay him $4 or $5 million.
So is one year in
23 coming off of Tommy John
surgery of Tyler Glassnow
is that worth
Zach De Loach, Emerson Hancock,
Andreas Munoz, and Wantane.
I'm going to say no.
Yeah, look, if you're going to
if you're going to
try to
craft a trade proposal for Tyler Glassnow,
I suggest
It's just not doing it because usually doesn't turn out so well for a lot of folks.
I would, yeah, I'm just going to say no to this one.
It's just, that's, oh, boy, that's bad.
For one year of Tyler Glass now, which isn't even going to be this year.
It's going to be next year.
And you have no idea what kind of pitcher you're getting back off of Tommy John.
like you know i would trade more than i would white for him but i wouldn't i wouldn't do a whole
lot more than that yeah it just seems like uh just no just no um it's like i i've taught i've
thought about glass now as kind of like a you know a stash basically um but never in my wildest
dreams that i think about giving up you know a top 100 guy like emerson hamilton hamilton
And, you know, a major league quality reliever in Munoz and a pretty good outfield prospect for for Glass now who maybe comes back and pitches at the end of last year.
But anyway, you want to slice it.
You're going to get like 22, 25 starts out of him max.
And you don't even know what those.
Those starts are going to look like what those innings are going to look like when he's coming off of Tommy John.
So, like, you might only get, like, 10 quality starts out of them, if that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this, I'm assuming race fan thinks that he can get Zach Deloche and Emerson Hancock for that.
Uh, no.
Like, he might get Zach Deloach straight up.
Like, maybe.
But even that.
I'm like, yeah, even that, like, from the Mariners perspective, that's a lot of risk that you're assuming.
Like, it's.
Yeah.
I'm not the.
I just.
I'm not the huge as
Deloche fan. Yeah.
Personally, I wouldn't touch glass now
right now. I just don't say the point. What's the point
in trading for him right now? Revisit
that next year.
I mean, look, if you
if they say, hey, we'll take one 10 for him, fine.
Whatever. Sure.
Like, okay. But
they're like, oh yeah, no.
We're told, because there's a decent chance they
non-tender him. Yeah. I mean,
I don't think they will, but the raise are
incredibly cheap. And are they going to want to pay
$6 million to a guy who's not going to throw a pitch
next year?
No, so do I think they'll maybe shop him?
Yeah, but it's like, like, I'm not
touching anybody probably higher than
than Juan Tane on
my prospect list.
He's still that high for you though, right?
No, no, though.
For you?
I don't think so.
I don't have my list pulled up for him.
I mean, like, it's it, like, I wouldn't trade
Bryce Miller for him.
Yeah.
As crazy as that sounds.
I mean, I'll trade.
I'll trade Taylor Dullard or Cade Marlowe.
Even Cade Marlowe.
But, you know, it's just like, come on.
What do you do?
I mean, I would probably trade the 24-year-old
an outfield prospect that hasn't played above high A for Tyler.
Excuse me.
He played a AA last year.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
He did play some double A.
He got into double A.
Don't you be, he played 42 games at double A.
A.
Did he actually?
And he put,
yes.
I thought he only played like 10 or 20.
No,
he posted a whopping 307 slugging percentage.
Oh.
And a 333 on base.
So.
Don't you dare be smart.
Hey,
that is top 30 Mariner prospect,
Cade Marlowe,
according to MLB pipeline,
which I'm going to say no to,
but good effort,
guys.
All right.
That's,
that certainly lived up to the,
to the,
entertainment value, I think.
That's going to do it for today's episode of...
Hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, way, wait.
Okay.
I need to make a correction here.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
I'm sorry.
Apologies.
That was Patrick Frick, who we like,
who hit 30,
with the 307 slugging percentage in double-off.
Oh, okay.
In fact,
Cade Marlowe made it to AAA for one game.
Oh, okay.
And he apparently went,
let's see
get a 750 on base
and a 1,000 slugging
went two for three with a walk
and a stolen base
okay so K. Marlowe is better
than Julio Roderite
is what you're saying.
I mean,
effectively,
yes,
but he did not make it to double A actually.
So he did play,
he did stop an A ball.
Okay,
so I was right.
I was right.
Yeah.
So there you go.
There you go.
Broken clocks and whatnot.
I,
I,
I,
yeah i mean you know i'm about to get one here and there
all right well that's uh that's gonna do it for today's episode of locked on mariners
just as i was saying before colby colby rudely interrupted me thank you so much
right man yeah clearly yeah hey you know thank you for admitting that you were wrong
once in your life i didn't say that well you pretty much did your eyes did though they can't
see it i can't either
to be honest with you.
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