Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Should Mariners Trade For Any of These 6 Starting Pitchers?

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

A lot of attention has been paid to the Seattle Mariners' pursuit of bats, and rightfully so. But on today's show, Colby and Ty discuss six pitchers the Mariners should consider trading for, including Pablo Lopez, Lance Lynn, and Frankie Montas! Are any of these arms remotely possible to acquire? We run down the names and offer our thoughts on today's episode of Locked On Mariners!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We've spent most of the off season talking about which hitters the marries could land via trade, but what about more help in the rotation? Let's talk about it here on the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Colby hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. It is Wednesday, December 14th, 2022.

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We're going to highlight a few starters. The mirrors could target via the trade market. But first, got to wish my wonderful co-host, Colby Patnode, a happy birthday. Happy birthday, pal. Yeah. Thank you for waiting until we were recording to tell me that instead of reaching out all this morning, via text or DM, or telling me when we were doing our little private pregame show. No, you wait until we were on camera recording before you told me happy birthday, just so the world would think you're a good person. Well, I'm not here to allow that, tie. So thank you. But I know that you just did that as self-preservation. You don't actually care. So let's do the the birthday show and Ty, you guys can tell Ty what a great person he is for remembering my birthday, even though I remember his and our anniversary. Anyways.

Listen, we're all about capturing real moments here on the Lockdown Mariness podcast. I wasn't going to fake it. I wasn't going to tell you happy birthday multiple times, you know, behind the camera and then, you know, say it again like it's the first time on here. I wanted it to be authentic. Is this take one of this show then? Is that what you're telling me? Moving on.

That's what I thought. The, before we get into specific targets for the Mariners, let me just ask you this. With the way that this market has fallen, there were already very few top-in pitchers that hit the free agent market. Those guys are gone now. We're in the middle tiers. to the bottom of the barrel at this point in the pitching market.

That is, at least one would assume that that is going to make the trade market even more expensive, considering the lack of talent that was there in the first place and the lack of talent that is there now in the free agent market. So should the Mariners actually be involved in the trade market, considering that they do have for what I think would be fair to call them above average starters, along with, you know, a couple of solid options at number five with Chris Flex and Marco Gonzalez. Should they actually be involved in this market knowing how expensive it might get, considering where they are right now in the rotation?

Yes. I mean, you have to get better, right? And the way to get better is, you know, either to score more runs or prevent more runs. I think the mayor has done a pretty good job of, you know, putting out an offense that should score more runs. but they need to prevent more and the best way to do that is pitching. So the only high price guy that's still out there is Rodon.

We know they're not going to go after Rodon. He's probably going to get $200 million. And you kind of start looking around at what's left on the market after that. There's some interesting guys. Avaldi is interesting, but he certainly carries risk and there's a draft pick attached to him. And you know, after that there's a lot of number four, number fives who aren't obvious upgrades. So I think you have to start looking at the pitching market.

We know Jerry wants to make trades. We know that Justin Hollander had said that the trade market was really slow last week, and it looks like it's finally starting to kick up a little bit. So, yeah, I think the mayor is going to be active in the trade market. Kind of a tough needle to thread. They don't have just overwhelming prospects that they can just throw a team after team and just really build a super rotation. But they do have enough that they can be involved.

pretty much any conversation for a starting pitcher that we assume is available this winter. And there are a few options that are going to be, honestly, relatively cheap that are upgrades over Chris Flex and Marco Gonzalez. So, yeah, I think they should be involved. You know, we still don't know if Sango was a special case, but we know they were interested in him. So we have to assume on some level they are interested in upgrading their rotation. It's just how much are they willing to spend on the pitcher when they're still looking at. to add a couple of bats.

Right. So let's start at the top of the market with the guy that I think most would say is the best available or at least a guy that could be had. A pitcher that's on the market right now. That's Pablo Lopez. Former Mariner, of course. He was traded from the Mariners to the Marlins and the David Phelps deal. I think so.

David Phelps still. Yeah. That didn't particularly work. out well for the mirrors. Lopez has been quietly one of the better pitchers on all of baseball, particularly the last season, but he doesn't have a ton of innings on his arm. He's had some injury history. But the Marlins have had talks about him for, geez, I don't know, the last year and a half,

it seems. There's been rumors about Pablo Lopez on the trade market. So at some point, you've got to figure that this is going to happen. But, again, he might be the best. relatively available starter on the market right now. So that's going to cost quite a bit. Do the Mariners have enough to go out and get Pablo Lopez, Colby? Yeah, this is kind of about fit,

how you fit with the Marlins in terms of trade costs, because I think you're going to have to get a little creative here. You might have to aim for a little more bulk than, you know, a true headliner in this deal. But I do think the Mariners and the Marlins, I think they fit okay as trade partners here. You get two years of Lopez. He's not as good as Luis Castillo, but I think that's roughly the area the Marlins would be looking for.

But Marlins are a little bit different than Cincinnati. They have different needs, obviously. They're also in kind of a different place. The Marlins, they don't want to rebuild, but they're not quite, they're in a really tough division. So you're kind of in this weird space with the Marlins. But, you know, when I factor in everything, we do know that they're open to trading Pablo Lopez. as they've said as much, they're open to training anybody, except for Sandy Alcantra.

So I do think they could do it. It's going to be tough. And again, there's always the, it's kind of the Brian Reynolds thing, right? Like, well, yeah, they could probably afford to put out a really good package, but somebody can't outbid them and probably will. So I think they could, though. I think there's a way that they can make it work. I would just say it's pretty unlikely.

So we talked a lot about Brian Reynolds as well, who I think you and I would both also classify at, as unlikely considering the high price, considering where the Mariners farm system is at right now with all the graduations that they've had. They've naturally taken a step or two back as a farm system, you know, and that's a good thing at the end of the day. But what about Reynolds's teammate, J.T. Brewbaker?

We've talked about him quite a bit. Last three, you know, he's only pitched three seasons. He's still a relatively young guy at 29 years old. It doesn't have a ton of, you know, our innings on his arm. 144 innings pitched this past season, 28 games, 469ERA, 392 FIP. He was worth 1.9 F4, which was a career high for him, 9.19 Ks per 9,338 walks per 9. So what do you think about Brewbaker? Again, you know, he's 29 years old.

He hasn't reached 30 just yet. and he actually just turned 29 as of last month. He still has multiple years of club control. But he's also, he hasn't performed that well. So what would it actually take to get someone like Brutbaker, who we know that the pirates like? Yeah. Brewbaker is a guy who you're betting on.

Essentially, you're betting that your pitching development can get something out of him that the pirates haven't been able to. and honestly you look at the Pirate's track record with pitching, that's not a bad bet to make. They're not particularly skilled at, you know, getting the most out of their starters. Garrett Cole. Charlie Martin.

But yeah, I think Proof-Baker's probably available. Because he's three years, it's going to cost a little. But the numbers right there, that's the number five, that's Chris Flexen, right? So the only difference between him and Flexen really is that he's a little bit cheaper and he's got more club control. So, and probably a little more upside. So going, yeah, so going off of that, right?

Why trade for someone that's basically in that Chris Flexen realm when you have two guys are in that realm? Right. You're chasing upside is what you're looking for because what Chris Flexen is and Marco Gonzalez too is their number five's, period, end of story. Brewbaker has enough stuff and enough, you know, quality underlying numbers that he could be a really good for, maybe even a three. So that's kind of what you're banking on if you're going after Brubaker. I do think he's available. I don't think he's going to cost a ton. I think, you know, discussions probably start with Emerson Hancock, which is not, you know,

as painful as it would have sounded a year ago. I really don't think it's going to cost a ton. So, yes, I'm interested in Brewbaker. I'd like to do a little better, a little more, a little more realized potential than Brewbaker, but there is still potential there. And I do think that's an arm to Mariners like. Just a gut call. I don't know anybody in that front office,

but I just, I watched Brew Baker pitch and I say, I think this is probably a guy the Mariners would have interest in trying to fix. All right. We got a few more trade targets, pitching trade targets, on the way,

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joined the Mets last season or two seasons ago, actually, had a rough first season with the, with the Mets, wasn't able to stay healthy. And then was able to stay healthy for the most part this past year. He started 29 games, 152 innings pitch. You struck out exactly a batter per nine innings pitch. Or sorry, nine batters per nine innings pitch. 243 walks per nine, 397 ERA, 353 FIP,

345-X-FIP, 2.4 F-war. And the Mets Colby have already added a couple of starters this offseason after losing Jacob de Grom, Justin Verlander being one of them, Jose Quintana, another one. And then Kodai Singha most recently. So Carrasco, I believe, still slots in or projects the slot in as the Mets number five. But could you foresee them potentially parting ways with him?

Yeah, I don't think the Mets are done. I think they're also sniffing around Rodon as well. I don't think it's likely, but it's certainly not something we can dismiss. And the Mets do have some other pitching that they can turn to in their number five spot. Do you think that the Mets are being used by agents right now and we're kind of going off on a, this is going to go off in a little bit of a tangent here. But do you think that the Mets are kind of being used right now? Because like last night we saw the report about them being interested in Karea and then like not even three hours later the Giants signed Karea.

Yeah, I mean, if they were smart, yes, the agents would use the Mets because you can basically say the Mets are interested in any point. and it would make sense. So, because we know that they don't care about luxury tax and things like that. So, um, specifically on Carasco, though, I do think he's an upgrade from Flexen. Um, he has one year left. He's 35 years old. He's making $14 million. The money doesn't mean anything to the Mets, but it does mean, uh, something to the team

that would be acquiring Carasco. So if you're the Mariners, um, I think Carasco is a worthwhile, uh, you know, got a look at. Uh, he actually excelled at getting. guys to chase pitches outside the strike zone. 94th percentile on chase rate. 65th percentile and whiff, 72nd percentile and walk.

So throw strikes, but he gets guys to swing outside of the zone, which helps the strikeout numbers. For stuff that's it's not great, you know, it's not overpowering stuff. It's a 93 mile an hour fastball. Carrasco is not what he was in Cleveland. And that's to be expected. He's an older

guy. But I think specifically what you're looking for, if you're trying to deal with the Mets is if you can't help them at the major league level, which maybe Seattle could give them a reliever for Carrasco, but then I think what you're looking for is upside. I think you're looking for upside play if you're the Mets because you don't want like Cade Marlowe, who's a major leaguer, because you're going to go buy somebody better than Cade Marlowe.

You want somebody who has high upside a couple years away, so it doesn't interfere with the 40 man or anything like that. I think something like Juan Pinto for Carlos Corrano, Carasco is a pretty interesting deal. Just because, you know, Pinto does have upside. I'm a big fan of Juan Pinto, but he's three, four years away from the big leagues. And Carasco could help you right now. So I'm interested in Carlos Carrasco.

Wouldn't be the sexiest thing, but he's got two really good breaking balls, or off-speed pitches, I should say. And the numbers last year pretty darn good. Now, considering that the Mariners had remarkable health in their rotation, does it concern you at all, adding? someone that hasn't been able to stay on the mound for the most part as of late? No. Because I still haven't tried to Chris Flexen. True. Or Marco.

So no, I'm fine. All right. Next up on our list here, Frankie Montes. The Mariners tried to land Frankie Montes when he was still with the A's couple of times. And there were some things that came out about potentially an ALS tax and all that stuff and whatever.

They tried to get him at the deadline. ended up by landing Luis Castillo, of course, which that worked out pretty well for the Mariners and not so much for the Yankees who did acquire Montes after he was dealing with a shoulder injury. And then that flared up once again, if I'm not mistaken, later on in the year. And he wasn't able to pitch a ton for the Yankees. And when he did, he was not that good. 144 in a third inning's pitch, 885Ks per 9268, walks per 9. 405 ERA 378 FIP, 2 F4 and 27 starts for Montes last year.

He's got a year left of club control, so he's a rental. So Yankees aren't really, you know, one to dump a ton of payroll or give up on a guy right after they landed him, all that stuff. But he wasn't very good for them. There's reports that they're in on Carlos Redon. they are clearly looking to upgrade their rotation. They obviously lost James and Tyone as well, but could Montes be on the move just a few months after being acquired by New York? I think it's possible. I would say unlikely.

Even if the Yankees land Rodon, Montes would still pretty comfortably be the number five. and there's there is enough there's enough upside in Montes that I could see the Yankees rolling with him to begin with and then if they have to make a change, they will. They still have some interesting arms who are, you know, majorly quality

in their system. So I don't think it's likely, it would have to be for significantly less than what the Yankees paid just because, again, Montes did struggle. He does have kind of a shoulder thing that we heard about. And he only has one year left instead of a year and a half. So I think what would be interesting. I'm not saying the Mariners should do this or would offer this or interested in this. But I think when you kind of look at what the Yankees need, they need outfield help. And they need a left-handed hitter in that lineup. Jared Kellnick for Frankie Montes. Six years of Jared Kellnick for one year of Montes. I mean, that's not a great deal for the Mariners unless you think Kellnick is back. which maybe they do. But I think Kellnick's swing, even the gross one he's using right now,

plays pretty well in Yankee Stadium. So yeah, I think maybe that's something that they could look at. But ultimately, I think the Yankees are just going to roll with Montes as their five to start the year and then they might make a change mid-stream if they have to. But, you know, the Yankees, they did jump ship on sunny gray, right? So they've done it before. Now, I think they gave Gray a year and a half before they. before they dumped him,

but I would say it's possible, but not likely. I just think that to get the Yankees to move on from Montes right now, it's going to take more than the Mariners should be willing to pay for a guy who carries that much risk. But I'd say this. I think the best prospect I'd be willing to give up

in a Montas trade package, probably Emerson Hancock. And I know a lot of people hear that name, and they go, wow, that's big. me Hancock is outside my top five mariner prospects. I'll just let that count out of the bag right now. So he's taking steps back. So

I think that's an interesting offer, but I think ultimately if the Yankees did decide to move them and I don't think they will, they're going to move him for a left-handed bet. Like, Montes for Ian Hap, or something like that. Yeah. I need to see Montes pitch

before I trade for him. Which means that I'm not getting him. Which means that I'm not getting him. Yeah, there's too much risk involved there for me with the with the shoulders just you know flared up twice on them this past year that's not like i'm not trading emerson hancock when that's a possibility for for one year of that guy um like the upside there's there's there's legitimate upside in montes but i just i have no clue if he's healthy if you get first half frankie montes from last year robbie ray's legitimately your worst pitcher.

I mean, yeah, but I don't know if I'm going to get that. That's a significant risk. No, but I just... How, it's significant? Like, is it really significant if you're trading Emerson Hancock who right now is a number number four, number five starting prospect? All right, that's a little bit. All right.

I don't want to get into this whole conversation about Amerson Hancock. Now, that's... Hancock will be the most debated player when we do our prospect of ranks next year. We'll talk about that on another show. We'll talk about that on another show. But yeah, I don't know. I just, there's, I'd rather go get someone that I actually know is healthy personally. You don't know anybody's healthy.

It's true. Good point. All right. Let's talk about another team that we talked about, I think, last week when we were doing our under the radar trade partners. That's a white socks. I have no idea what the hell they're doing this off season. Their roster is still incredibly poorly. constructed.

And they have a couple of starters that I think could move in a deal fairly surprisingly, because I don't think really anyone's talking about them right now, but it makes sense. Lucas G. Alito only has a year left of club control. He's coming off of an awful year, but he's also been at a point

in his career not too very long ago where he was pushing for Sy Young votes. Lance Lynn, sorry, Colby? Say, didn't he win the Sion? I don't think he won the Saigon. Did he win the Syong in 2020? No,

Bray, you won the MVP in 2020. I don't know. I don't know if you got, he must have gotten like second or third place, but whatever. Anyways. All right. So then Lance Lynn is the other one.

He's got two years left to club control, and it's very affordable, relative to what Lance Lynn brings to the table and relative to what other guys are getting on the market right now. I believe he's making, 19 million a year over the next two years could be wrong on that but

he dealt with some injuries this past season but he was able to to come back and through 121 and two thirds innings over 21 starts 917 Ks per 9 141 walks per 9 399 ERA 382 FIP

1.9 F4 and just a year ago 157 innings pitch 10 Ks per 9 258 walks per 9, 269 ERA, 332 FEP. And, you know, the White Sox right now, they're in a weird spot. And I kind of feel like they might want to start offloading some payroll here. And I think you could potentially, I'm not saying you can just steal Lansselin from the White Sox,

but I think you can get a real bargain on Lanslund if you're willing to take on that money, which you should be more than willing to do, given the payroll flexibility that you should have. that's looking at you, John Stanton. And yeah, I don't think it would actually cost a ton to get Len in terms of prospect capital. What do you think about trading for Len? And then I'll ask you about Gialito in just a moment. So Lynn is a guy I'd be pretty interested in. Again, it kind of comes down to where are the White Sox at?

Where do they think they stand a chance at? I think the White Sox probably think that they can compete this year. I don't see it. That roster is so poorly constructed. They lost Jose Ibrayu. I think the White Sox should look at kind of a soft reboot. And so, you know, you build around Anderson and Cs and Jimenez and Robert. So they don't have to just like dump everybody.

But I do think they should start to unload some of these bigger contracts. And we have heard that, you know, they're listening on guys like Liam Hendricks, who is a guy you probably don't trade if you think you can win the World Series. So I think Lynn is interesting. I would be in, I would be very interested in Lance Lynn. I don't know, I don't know like what the trade cost is for a guy like Lynn.

Like you say, he's got two years left, but he's missed some time the last two years. You know, he's an older, he's an older arm as well. He's not going to be like Pablo Lopez. Like he's not going to cost that much.

But he's still going to cost quite a bit. Like you're not going to, You're not going to salary. They're not going to salary dump him. They're going to get something for Lance Lynn. What can they get for Lance Lynn? I don't know. Like, I think, I think Jared Kalnick would be pretty interesting to them.

Right. I think Kalnick and Tramel would be pretty interesting to them. I, again, you probably want, they probably want more than that, more certainty. So I think you're probably, I mean, I don't know, would you do something like, hypothetically, would you do something like flexen? Kellnick and Ford for Lance Lynn, two years in Lance Lynn? Ford's a little... Flexing just there to kind of even out the salaries a little bit. I kind of feel like Marco makes sense here for Chicago.

Yeah, he's got two years. Yeah. You know, the thing with the White Sox is that they play in, I think, the second biggest media market in the country. And yet they still act like a mid-market team. Like they're not going to we have evidence of that. They have not been linked to a single major free agent this year or ever. Really, I think the biggest contract they've given out is still the Yesmani Grandal contract from a few years ago.

So this is not a team that just has, well, they have unlimited money, but they're not going to spend it like they do. So yeah, the money here is going to come into play a little bit, I think. But I think that's pretty interesting. I'd like to do the deal without giving up Harry Ford, but I'm not... Is that possible? I'm not saying no to it, though, either. Well, I mean, we did see somebody throw out a trade involving Lynn, or I guess it was Gialito. I don't know if I want to disclose it here.

It's behind a paywall, so probably shouldn't do that. But the idea is basically, though, that... you know, there are some contracts that are expensive enough that they could lower the cost of the acquiring team. Like, could the Mariners get Lance Lynn and Liam Hendricks? Right. I mean, that's, Hendricks is due, I think, $28 million, $30 million, essentially. If you trade for him, there's a clause in his contract that kicks in. So that's $30 million for two years of a reliever.

Lynn is going to make, you know, $20 million over the next two years. So you're going to have $50 million over the next. the next two years. I think if you give them some cash, you give them, maybe you add Marco or flexing to kind of even out the money a little bit, and then you give them some bulk young athletic prospects or young major leaguers, I think that's something that could appeal to Chicago. And that's why I do think that they would be interested in Jared Kellnick and Taylor Trammell. And that's why I threw Harry Ford out there, young athletic prospect. I think they would probably like somebody like, you know, athletic who's closer to the big leagues or has

major league track record of success with the big leagues. The Mariners just don't really have that. So I think Glenn would be really interesting. And I think they could afford him. It's just a matter of finding the right pieces. But I do think the White Sox and the Mariners actually match up pretty, pretty well for a trade. Agreed. Particularly for their pitching.

Yeah. So Gioito, I mentioned that he had a pretty rough year last year. And now that's by his standards. He was actually not that bad when you get into the numbers. 161 and two thirds ending's pitch over 30 starts 985 ks per 9 340 walks per 9 490 er a but a 406 FIP with a 366 X FIP 1.8 F4 but again he's he's just got one year left of club control and he just hasn't really I don't know he hasn't been able to consistently be that guy that top of the rotation guy and um I believe there was a report last off season or maybe during this season that they were trying to work on an extension and they were just really far apart on it and all this stuff. So there might be a little bit of tension between the two sides between the organization and the player. I kind of feel like Gialito ends up going in a deal somewhere, whether it's to Seattle or somewhere else.

I think that ends up being one of the surprise deals this off season maybe within the next month or so that like Lucas Gialito, you just, wake up and Jeff Passons tweeted that Lucas Gialito has been traded somewhere. I think that would surprise a lot of folks, but I don't know. You look at the situation. You look at the year that he's coming off. I think he's a prime candidate to get dealt. And for the White Sox to take advantage of some remaining value that he has left. And maybe they let it rock into the regular season and try to, you know, get him back on track

and take advantage, you know, at the deadline. But, Gialito for me, makes a lot of sense for the Mariners. I think that you can, I mean, if, you know, anyone can get him back on track, it would be the Mariners and they're pitching development staff. So what do you think about Gialito? What do you think that would cost? What do you think about the fit in general? So it's one year of Gialito. I think he's going to make, what, $12 million or something like that?

I believe so. I'll double check on that. It's, like I said, it's not an insignificant amount, but it's not like a prohibitive amount for the White Sox. you're kind of in this weird spot with him because it's one year and he's not coming off of a good year but the three previous years he was very good it's kind of tough to judge the market here again i still think that the same guys who make sense for uh lynn makes sense here because obviously it's the same team uh but i think you can eliminate like the harry for it i think he's out of the conversation because it's one year of gilito i still think something like you know could you do could you maybe do something like kelnick Calnick flexen, uh, maybe that first round pick that you can try. Maybe.

Maybe get that involved. And then you get like Gialito and like Kindle Graveman or Gialito and Aaron Bummer, somebody like that, where you kind of, you get two, you get two for one. You help the White Sox shed some salary, but they also get a, uh, still a promising young bat who fits that ballpark and fits their needs really well. they get kind of a number five a solid number five starter to replace Gialito in the rotation and they get not only an extra draft pick but the bonus pull money that goes with it. I think that's something that might appeal to them. It kind of depends on how they feel about Gialito bouncing back though.

Yeah. And I would I would do that. I would love to take the chance on Gialito. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Well, Gialito trade one year of Kaelic for Gialito. Gio Lido hasn't had multiple shoulder injuries pop up over the course of a calendar year. Sure about that?

Over the course of a calendar year, over the course of this past calendar year. I see you remember that Luis, I think Lucas Gialitos had time job before. So like, yeah, but we sure about that? Within the last calendar year. We sure about that? I'm just saying, it's interesting. You know, I offer Kelnick-Vermontas straight up and you're like, no, never. And then Gialito, who had a worse year last year, I'm throwing out the first round pick.

I was talking about Hancock, by the way. And you're like, with regards to Montesis. I said no to Hancock. That's interesting. That's interesting. No, whatever. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Play back the tape because I know you're not going to.

Someone will let me know that I'm wrong. I'm a liar, all that stuff in the comments. That one guy keeps calling me a liar because I was wrong about Robbie Ray, starting over George Kirby. He'll look it up because apparently he's got nothing better to do with this time. Being wrong isn't the same as line. I thought we learned that in kindergarten, but okay, I guess not. anyways thanks for commenting it's good for the algorithm by the way geolito was only 0.2 f were worse than frankie montes last year

i'm sorry do you say better or worse i said worse oh you did what what no uh gilito would be would be fine like i think that's a worthwhile risk to take again it's just a matter with all of these pitchers of being smart about what it costs because if you roll into next year and flex and Marco is your number five, it's not the worst thing in the world. Right.

It just, I think eventually that's something you're going to have to fix at the deadline if you want to have a real shot at winning the World Series. Yeah. So it might be easier to do it now. Yeah, and I love that you mentioned you know, Graveman and Bummer as well

because it's not just Hendricks. There's quite a few relievers there in Chicago that I think fit for the Mariners as well that I would love to see them get in on here. Right. I think Graveman's making $9 million this year. I think Bummer is making seven or something like that. And we know that if they acquired Graven,

like the clubhouse would be happy about that. You guys want to get Kyle Seeger out of retirement? I don't, but... I know there are some people on Mary's Twitter, though, like, yeah, bring Singer back. Oh, God, we probably just started a whole thing. Those people are called idiots. Bye.

We probably just started a whole thing now, though. People are going to be on Twitter like, man, what if we could get Kyle Seeger out of retirement? I know how to use the block button. I'm fine. bring it on. All right. That's going to do it for our show.

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