Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - So Many Things Go Wrong, But Mariners Overcome It All to Sweep White Sox

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

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So many things went wrong today, but the mayors were able to walk the tight rope to secure a series sweep of the Chicago White Sox. Let's talk about it. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Oh, Hoy, Sailors. It is Thursday, August 7th, 2025. This is telling us. Colby Patnode for the Lockdown Marys Postgame show, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. as always, if you want to hear from me and Colby even more and help support the show, you can check out our Patreon.

All you have to do to check that out is click the link in the description of this episode. Marrars walk off the White Sox 4 to 3 this afternoon. It was a sloppy game, say the least, a game in which almost the entire Mariners bullpen had to be used. But the Marers, at the end of it, come out of it with a big sweep of the White Sox and we'll talk all about it. We also have some fairly positive injury news on Josh Naylor. And because we have our good friend Gary Hill Jr. joining us on tomorrow's show, we're going to spend a little time on today's show talking about this upcoming weekend series with the Braves because I don't know how much of that series we're going to get into with Gary tomorrow. But yeah, looking at this game here, 4 to 3 win for the Mariners.

Again, a lot of things went wrong for the MCA. obviously they lose Josh Nailer for most of it. The offense went pretty cold for most of the afternoon, which was bound to happen. They were bound to have a bad game, especially when they didn't have Nailer for most of it. Randy at Rosarana does come through with a big two run, home run.

Dom Cansoen walks it off with a single, but not a particularly good day for the offense. Again, they had to use pretty much the entire bullpen, which actually had a pretty solid afternoon. especially relative to expectations. So we're going to talk about those guys a little later on. But also, Logan Gilbert only went five innings in this one,

a site that is all too familiar this season when it comes to Logan Gilbert. Six strikeouts, three walks, a lot of long plate appearances, some of which wound up Indian and damage being done to Logan, like that solo home run off the bat of Michael A. Taylor. Now, he only gave up the one run, but I would stop well short of calling this a good start for Logan, especially with how uncertain, I think we all feel about the Smeras bullpen and asking them to, at the very least, cover four innings in this game.

They wound up having to cover six in this game. But, yeah, so not a great start for Logan. and it just continues this long line of struggles that he's had this season. Yeah, I mean, there are people who will love to point out the strikeout rate and the walk rate's really good, although he had three today. So it wasn't that good. He had plenty of whiffs today, but he just wasn't good. Like, this is not Logan Gilbert.

This is some kind of imposter pretending to be Logan Gilbert. And I'm sure, I mean, it's hard for me to imagine. that the elbow isn't part of this. Not that it's so bad that he can't go out there and pitch and be effective, but that it's thrown off his command or his control a little bit. And he's just not, this stuff isn't quite there. And he's not putting guys away in a timely manner.

We saw a lot of, of long-out bats with two strikes again, which has kind of been a thing for Logan. So he's getting these whiffs. He's getting these strikeouts. But it's costing him seven, eight pitches every time he does it. So you look at what he did today.

The Velo was fine. The spin rates were down. noticeably, except on the splitter, they went way up, and that's not a good thing. You want the spin rate low on the splitter. So the stuff wasn't really there today. The command and the control wasn't as good. Obviously, he walked three guys. So you just look at kind of what he did today, and it just wasn't good enough.

And this is one of those cases where, you know, you're lucky you're playing a bad team because a team like Toronto or Boston or, you know, Houston probably score five or six off of Logan today. He was just not very good. And that's just the reality of who Logan is right now. I posted. I think that's what you do on Blue Sky. I don't know.

I'm over there mostly now, guys. But that, you know, right now, Logan Gilbert is the fourth most trustworthy starter in your own rotation right now. And I don't know if he's that close to being number three. I really don't because right now I would not give the ball to Logan Gilbert in a playoff game. Not over Kirby, not over Wu, not over Cassidy. And I don't even know if he's close to Castillo. So, yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, I can't count on this guy to get deep into ball games.

I basically have to, you know, work under the assumption that he is going to burn my bullpen for the next day, one way or another. And yeah, will he give me five innings of like two run ball? Probably. And that's all well and good. But five innings every single time out is just a domino effect that impacts my bullpen. And it also impacts the way that Dan Wilson has to manage the next couple days because maybe he has to try and get an extra any or two from Luis Castillo tomorrow because he knows he doesn't have the bullets in the bullpen. So the domino effect when when Logan Gilbert only goes out there, took him 94 pitches to go five innings against the White Sox. Now the White Sox have been swinging it recently.

So again, it's not it's not it's the White Sox, but they're not like the worst team we've ever seen version of the White Sox. but they're not a good baseball team. And Logan had to, you know, scratch and claw to get there. And so the stuff didn't look good. The command and control didn't look good. The body language didn't look good today. So the fact that he went out there and threw five innings and one run ball, to me that speaks more to the quality of the opponent than it does to the quality that we saw from Logan Gilbert.

He's struggling right now. And again, I really don't think I would trust him in a playoff game right now, not a three-game series. But there's roughly two months to go before you'd have to make that decision if you, in fact, get there. And there's still plenty of time for him to show that, you know, he is still that guy. But right now he's only going five. He's a five-and-fly guy. And it's not a good position to put the bullpen in.

And it's just, it's not good. Like Logan Gilbert right now is more of a roadblock than he is an asset to the Mariners winning baseball games. And that's a problem. I don't care how good your offense is. You can't have your staff A's be struggling to go five innings against, you know, bad teams. It's just, it's not going to work in the long run. And so, you know, we keep on saying maybe the next time he'll pick it up, maybe he'll have a good start.

And every once in a while he'll have a good start. But then the next time he goes right back to struggling to go five. And so it's just tough to trust this guy right now. And that's unfortunate because you're built on, or at least you were planning to be built on getting six, seven, a night from from woo and gilbert and kirby and castillo and you don't need a super deep bullpen if those guys are going to go seven innings every night but if two of your guys are going to go five every turn through the rotation you need a deep bullpen and the mariners do not have it so it's just there's a trickle-down effect here that logan's inability to get deep in the games is impacting seattle

uh maybe not the day that logan pitches but in the days after it certainly does have some kind of effect. So he needs to be better plain and simple. Yeah, to your point, you know, I would trade maybe a, you know, a couple more runs in the box score for, for Logan if it means that he's able to go a couple more innings, really, because again, it's going to, and we're going to talk about this more a little later on, like, this is going to have an impact on tomorrow night's game in a huge way and even a little bit of Saturday's game as well. Now, also a little bit of that is just, you know, baseball and, you know, you're going to have some extra inning games and all that stuff.

You know, the offense could have easily avoided, you know, putting a couple of extra innings on this bullpen as well by scoring a few more runs. But still, this ultimately goes back to Logan, not being who you need him to be. Logan just has to be better. And yeah, he only gave up the one run today. But this isn't just being nitpicky here. Like, he has to get deeper into games. That's what you need out of him.

Three quality starts. and I only use that stat really just to exhibit that he hasn't been able to go six plus much. Free quality starts over the course of what, 16 starts now, and I know he's been dealing with the elbow stuff and all that, but that's just not good enough from the guy who's supposed to be your ace. So it's great that he is limiting the damage in terms of the run scored against him for the most part. It's great that he's getting all these strikeouts, but what I ultimately need out of him right now is length.

especially with the state of this bullpen, and he's just not giving that whatsoever. So I want to talk about this bullpen. I want to talk a little bit more about the offense, especially Josh Naylor. We got an injury update on him from Dan Wilson. We'll go over in just a moment. But first a reminder,

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and the Raiders so be sure to check in with Corbin Smith and the gang on Locked on Seahawks for reactions to that one so Dom Kanzone Colby another lefty on lefty hit for Dom.

Just lefty on lefty success in general. And no qualifier needed. He's been good against lefties on this homestand. He's had a couple of really big hits. Obviously, the walk-off today, you know, the single to set up JPs walk-off home run. The other night against the Rangers.

He's had some quality contact that, you know, maybe didn't lead to a hit, but it was still a hard hit ball off of a lefty where maybe he took him to the warning track or what have you. That's becoming a real development here with Dom and we'll see if that continues, but they've been willing to use him against lefties. Today they kind of had to because they had no one else left on the bench,

but. I mean, and also to be fair, the I mean, they don't have a platoon partner. Probably Dylan Moore, so. Yeah, yeah. Might as well roll the dice. Yeah, but still, like they've had them in the lineup whenever there's been a lefty on the mound for about a week and a half now.

And yeah, he's he's held his own. He's been able to work some walks. He's, again, been able to generate quality contact. He's had some big hits like today. So that's huge. And again, it's starting to look more and more like, and I won't say this definitively yet, because it's still a very small sample size,

but it's starting to look more and more like the mirrors are, at least as far as them being, you know, currently constructed, justifiably platoonless. Yeah, which is good because, again, they don't have the right-handed answers in the organization, let alone on their big league team. So, yeah, they kind of have to be. So, yeah, Canzone, I believe you're running a 350 on base against lefties. I think he's hitting 260 against them as well. There's really no power there, but, okay, you know, if you get on base 35% of the time against one side of the plate, you certainly don't need to be benched.

every time they bring out a lefty. And so, you know, the, the lack of options on the bench for, for Dan is kind of, you know, forcing his hand a little bit, I would think. But, yeah, the fact that, you know, we've seen them, for the most part, let Cole Young, you know, face lefties and let, let Canzone face lefties. And they're not, you know, pulling guys like we saw early in the year where Donovan Solano enters the game in the fifth against the lefty. And it's weird because Solano isn't hitting lefties at all.

we haven't seen that type of thing over the last couple of weeks. So yeah, Canzone had a really, or has had a really nice homestand so far. Still three games to go there. But yeah, it is,

it is hard to complain about the production that Canzones put out there defensively. But, you know. Yeah, it's an adventure out there. And he is by far the funniest runner I've ever seen in mine's our life.

Yes. He loves to pump those arms. It's kind of like a, baby giraffe stuck in a waterhole. But, yeah, it's, it is, I mean, look, he's, he's certainly helped. He's stabilized right field. Again, we'll have a bigger conversation about how they handle him and Rayleigh on the roster at the same time, when, whenever that comes back into fruition.

But, yeah, it's, it's been awesome to see. And it's a real development. And, you know, it's possible canzone's a late bloomer. He was pretty good against lefties and the minors, like usable against the, him, you know, in his career. Kind of this year, not at all last year. He was bad against them last year. I mean, he's been bad against lefties in the big leagues until this year, too.

So, yeah, it's kind of one of those things. I don't know. You write the hot hand for now. I don't know if you can keep it up for another two months. But whether he can or not, he's giving you good at bats, both against lefties and righties, and he's definitely lengthen the lineup. So it's a really good homestand for a can zone and just a really good. good now, what, almost two months?

Or I don't. Is it early June or late June? He got called up, but whatever. The season's been a blur, man. Yeah, I could not tell you. He's been good since he's been called up and he's helped the Mariners. And that's really all you could hope for. Yeah, no, he's been awesome.

And the fact that he's been able to sustain as well. I mean, now it's been, you know, a couple of months or however long it's been. And he's still producing. And he's producing in a lot of different ways. and he's producing in a lot of different situations. That's awesome, super awesome to see. So, yeah, it's been a great development. And, you know, what he and JP and Cole Young have been doing at the bottom of the lineup

since the trade deadlines since the start of this homestand has been great. I mean, that's really been the strongest part of the Smeras lineup consistently over the course of this homestand. And, you know, that kind of goes back to how they were winning games early on this year, where the bottom of the lineup was coming through. Now they are way more talented now at the bottom of this lineup than they were back then. But still, it's kind of a similar formula to when they were winning all those series in a row, right? When guys like Leo Rivas and Miles Mastroboni, who, by the way, came through in a big way today. I had a big steal, didn't end up scoring, but had a big steal there of third, you know, whatever.

I'm glad that they won this game so we don't have to hyper fixate on a couple of things, right? Dan being Dan careful because I can turn this episode around real quick I know you can I know you can but you know you can and then obviously the the confirmed call on the

hit by pitch quote unquote of Curtis Mead stands I would have understood confirmed confirmed is wild stands I get it because that's such a close mostly judgment call. Sure, but what's weird to me

is that they said like, oh, we called it a hit by pitch, but initially they didn't at all. Their first call was careful. The first base umpire called it fair and then out at first, right? I don't think the, I don't think the home played umpire. No, he played umpire never threw up his arms though. Like, you just stood there and let the ball roll out. And then he's like, oh, I guess I'll call it a hit by pitch.

Like, what are you doing, man? That's your call. Yeah. But whatever. Yeah. Uh, hey, we belabored this. point long enough. Josh Naylor

obviously left the game pretty early on in this one. He looked really uncomfortable after a very violent swing during his first at bat. He took a second at bat and looked uncomfortable on pretty much every swing that he took.

We got fairly positive news from Dan Wilson after the game on Naylor though. He's dealing with a little bit of shoulder soreness and is considered day to day as we all are to steal it from. Ryan Debisch who's back by the way I see DeVish back but yeah so Nailer day to day

he apparently was dealing with a shoulder thing in June with the Diamondbacks I don't know if this is the same shoulders I don't know if he re-agravated something or what have you it does seem like Maris have hopefully dodged a bigger bullet here with Taylor sure it's something they're probably gonna have to deal with all year just managing that that issue so um you know it is what it is guys get nicked up throughout the year maybe you keep them out for a couple days and give it a real shot to to rest but uh yeah i mean it's not an oblique yet so i guess you'll take it and i didn't think it was because i feel like we've i mean yeah i am saying this about josh nailer but i feel like we've would have

gotten more of a reaction from him had it been an oblique but you know he didn't he didn't really reach for anything he didn't really reach for anything he was just kind of grimacing you know which i mean to be fair is his like default facial expression so yeah yeah but i wasn't sure if he was just mad at himself for for missing the pitch i mean like i noticed something yeah like after the first at bat i was like this kind of looks weird but well and he and he called he called time after the swing i was like all right something something seemed a little off but yeah yeah yeah what are you going to do so yeah so i would assume he's probably not going to play tomorrow night, but we'll see.

It seems like there, there is a chance, though, that he'll play in the series, and he won't thankfully Donovan Slano. Yeah, thankfully Donovan Solano has one app at his since July 24th, I believe. So he should be well rested and ready to go. I'm sure the timing will be impeccable. Donnie Burles lives. Donnie Burrell's is going yard tomorrow. Just saying, should we have traded Tyler Lockler now?

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Last-minute tickets, lowest price, guaranteed. And you're listening to the Locked-on-Marras post-game show. So, hey, the Mayor's Bullpen. which has been very shaky and obviously did not have a good night last night trying to hang on to a big Mariners lead. It was actually pretty darn good this afternoon. Now, Carlos Vargas obviously gave up the game time home run to Brooks Baldwin, I think. Yeah, he hit the second home run of the day.

But after that, pretty good stuff from the bullpen. Obviously, you know, Bizarro gets tagged, quote unquote, for that run in the 10th inning, but Bizarro was really good again. Mitch Garver should catch that ball first and foremost, just to say that. That at bat shouldn't have even happened in the first place

because again, that ball looked like it went off the knob of the bat, but whatever. I mean, also just catch a fastball if you're a catcher. Matt Brash got into a little bit of trouble, but when he really needed it, when he really needed it, though, he was actually able to get some big swings and misses, which is a really nice development from that

because since July 1st, he had been running a 12.2% whiff rate. That is not good. Matt needs to miss bats. And thankfully today, when the time called for it, he was able to do that on a couple of big pitches. So that was nice to see.

Mooney had a clean inning. a nice running grab by Randy there in the left field corner. And then, hey, Jackson Coar, who gave up a couple home runs the other night, comes through with a clean 11th inning to keep the White Sox off the board and give the Mariners a prime opportunity to walk this thing off. And thank God they took advantage of it because I was going to have to watch Casey Legamina pitch in the 12th inning was going to crash out. I'm not going to lie.

I was going to crash out. Yeah. Casey Legamina, the only guy who didn't participate in today's game, and that does not feel like an accident. So, yeah. Bullpen, like you said, pretty good overall. You know, it's still sketchy in more places than it should be. The home run Vargas gave up.

It wasn't necessarily a cheap one, but it was only a home run in nine ballparks. Like, you just kind of hooked it in the right spot, but whatever. uh spire you know pretty good Gabe is Gabe might be the guy you got to mention him thank you for mentioning I mean most people do uh but Gabe spire might be the reliever I trust the most right now because Munoz is really struggling with this command and control recently today he was better but he struggled recently uh bizardo had the the really bad outing on uh what was it uh it was

last night oh last night yeah like again the season runs together um And then he bounces back today. And again, he looked really good. And, you know, unfortunately, Mitch Garver, who had a rough day at the plate, had a really bad day behind it as well. Somebody didn't see the Harry Ford home run last night, would be my guess. But, yeah, it's, it was rough. And so it kind of looks like, you know, they gave up a couple runs in this one.

But no, not really. Bizarro did his job. They gave up one run earned in this game. And, you know, they got some big strikeouts when they needed to. Again, more traffic than you would like. The bullpen gave up five hits. And they walked a guy too. And they hit a guy, technically.

So, yeah, it was a lot of traffic generated. And again, I'll continue to, you know, bring on this point. They should have added a bullpen arm at the deadline, another one. But whatever. Today, the bullpen did a good job, which is great, because unfortunately they had to cover six innings both because, you know, Logan only went five and also because the Mariners' offense refuses to score runs in the 10th inning. It's so weird.

I don't think the Marriers have won a game in the 10th. I think every extra inning win they've had this year has come in the 11th. It really is weird. Yeah. So Luis Castillo, you have been tasked now with going at least seven tomorrow night? we might we might need more out of you bud you might i mean so okay who seems like bear to ever ask any starter to go more than six like six is a good number that's a good start no matter what yeah well i mean assuming you don't get up like nine runs but you know what i mean yeah

might have to go soon yeah who who all went last night out of the bullpen mooney so he's down bazaardo he's down spire pitch last night um I believe so, but Spire only through nine pitches today. Yeah. So, I don't know, maybe you can make it work. Here, let me just pull this up real quick instead of just guessing. The thing to keep in mind, Munoz only through 10 pitches today, Spire only through nine. Yeah.

Bizarro only through 15, but I believe all three of those guys, if they threw tomorrow, would be pitching three consecutive games. Yes. Now, Dan's been willing to do that with Bizarro a couple times. I don't recall an instance where he's done that with either Spire or Munoz. So I think for high leverage arms tomorrow, you might only have Brash. Yeah. So. Yeah.

Brash has gone back to back a few times now. Yeah. He went back to back against the Rangers. He went back to back against the Angels. so like it seems like he's it seems like he's it seems like he's fully cleared to do all that so yeah so i think you have brash and then like amina didn't pitch today yep uh you'll have coar coar probably ferguson uh yeah yeah yeah so yeah we'll see if there's a roster move that they make tomorrow just to get a fresh arm in there but i don't know who with who that

would be and I think you would probably be moving on from one of the guys who actually is available tomorrow in order to make that move. So I don't even know if that really makes sense. I mean, like Legamine is available tomorrow. There's really not anybody better in the minors right now, sadly. CoR is the only other guy that has an option and he's going to be available tomorrow as well. So I'm not sure. Maybe that again, we've talked about they could send down Logan Evans and have an extra bullpen arm for a couple days and then bring up Hancock to make the next start. But the Mariners have yet to do that.

And I think we know why. So we'll see what they do tomorrow. But yeah, I don't think that it's, I don't think it's likely that there's going to be a move made. But my recommendation would be to score seven, eight runs and have Luis Castillo go seven innings of, you know, two-run ball. That would be what I would try to do. But, you know, what do I know?

I think Fonte is stupid. now the issue with that is they're facing drew rasmussen tomorrow and uh drew rasmussen is very good at pitching baseballs yes but he's also only going to go five innings yeah so we'll see some fun pitching matchups this weekend by the way yeah yeah we'll get into a little bit rasmuson is woo yeah yeah so so to your point rasmussen has gone five and a third five four two two, three, five, five and a third, five in his last, however starts that was that I just listed. Yeah, they've been pretty clear this year that like Rasmussen is going to go five most and then we're going to take him out. Like that's just kind of how they view him. So, uh, yeah.

Yeah, tomorrow or not tomorrow, uh, Saturday, which is, uh, each row's Jersey retirement night. I wonder if that'll come up with Gary Hill. That, that certainly will. I think that's safe to say that will. it's going to be Logan Evans against Joe Boyle, who you really like. Not to be confused with friend of the show, Joe Doyle. And then Sunday,

we've got Adrian Houser against Brian Woo. That was a weird trade for the race, getting Houser in the White Sox. Yeah. I mean, the race also got Griffin Jacks, but they traded Zach Little. So,

yeah, I don't know. The, no Jonathan. Yep, the trade cabby. No Jonathan, Noranda in this series.

So caught a bit of a break there, but I mean, it's still Yondi. It's still Caminero and it's still the Rays. Like so it doesn't matter who they bring to the ballpark. They're going to be annoying and you're going to have to, you know, bring your A game to beat them. And, you know, keep in mind that the Rays are looking to get back into this thing. Like they're kind of on the fringes of playoff contention right now. They can sweep you.

They're right back in the race. So, yeah, I wouldn't take this team too lightly. And obviously you have a bit of a disadvantage anytime Logan Evans goes on the mound relative to other teams. Like if you're not facing the other teams number five, you're at a disadvantage that night. And, you know, we'll see. But hopefully the offense performs much better than it did today because they're going to score some runs this weekend if for no other reason to take some pressure off in the bullpen. Yeah. The Mariners, if you remember, faced Adrian Houser in his first start of the season.

back in May when he was with the white socks. And he smoked them or maybe a better way of saying is that the mayor has allowed themselves to get smoked by Adrian Houser. Say it however you want. He embarrassed you. Yeah, he went six in that one. They didn't score a single run off of them. I say they lost that game one to nothing. Yep.

I don't remember correctly. He did walk three. So he gave them some opportunities and only struck out two. But, yeah. All right. That is going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marrars postgame show for Colby Patnode. I'm Tadden Gazzalas.

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