Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - Taylor Ward? Brent Rooker? MIKE TROUT?! Which AL West Players Could the Mariners Trade For This Winter?

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

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We're kicking off our divisional trade preview with a look at the Mariners' own division. The ALS. Do the Rangers, Athletics, Angels, or Astros have anything the M's will look to acquire this winter? Let's talk about it. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast.

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And if you want an early preview of our 2023, 24 Mariners off season plan, put on over to the Patreon. Sign up, you can get a couple of those episodes where we're hammering things out for free. over the next week or so we're going to be going division by divisions who identify potential trade targets for the Mariners here on the Lotton Marrers podcast and we're going to start today with their own division the AL West so Colby let's just get this out of the way how are the Mariners getting Mike Trout this offseason Jimmy Joyce

right Jimmy Joyce and Mike Ford maybe Dylan Moore if they're going to play hardball right right it would hurt but sometimes you got to do what you got to do you got to do you got to risk it for the biscuit sometimes that's right that's right scared money don't make none sure all the all the platitudes um yeah they don't that that's the answer to that question they don't is there is there anyone on the angels though that you think could be of interest of the mariners and like they sure they still haven't made a trade with mariners since jerry depoto took over in seattle one of only two teams that jerry hasn't made a trade with. Can you guess the other one? I believe it's the Rockies. It is the Rockies, which makes sense because the Rockies don't function like a normal baseball team. Now, apparently they were talking this past off season about sure, pitching, which I would assume was Chris Flexing because Chris Flexen wound up in Colorado eventually, but. Sure. Marco's also from Colorado, so maybe, but. Maybe, maybe. Yeah, so,

the Angels do do have some guys it's also seems unlikely they would trade any of them to Seattle because honestly

the only reason that I could think of that these two teams haven't hooked up you know with a trade yet in the last 10 years is because

they're holding some kind of garage against Jerry Depoto because the two teams line up fine like it's not like they're

they've lined up fine in the past they line up fairly well right now like I mean, you know, there are some guys. There are some guys.

You know, and I don't know what direction the angels are going to want to go. I doubt they, they full rebuild, even though they should. Now that they've lost Otani and their farm system took a hit because, you know, they tried to go for it. It blew up in their face spectacularly. So they should try to rebuild a little bit here. And they do have some pieces to help along with that. Are they going to? I kind of doubt it, but whatever.

In terms of just players, that could make some sense for the Mariners. How about Mariner killer Luis Ringuifo? you know play some second play some third okay hitter average bat like switch hitter there's some value to louis from geifo um how about uh patrick sandibol if you're looking for your mid rotation starter be a little pricey uh but he's definitely a guy who you know should interest you uh we remember the reports in the past that the mariners liked reed demers coming out of the draft uh he's a guy who's kind of looks like he might be close to breaking out, but it's the angel, so who really knows?

How about Andrew Wants? No, I'm joking. You know, so there are some guys there. That'd be very funny. They should acquire Andrew Wants and Cole Irvin this off-season. Sure, sure. Just complete the meme circle. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, there's a few. I think probably my favorite one, though, is Taylor Ward. Pretty interesting guy. There's a lot of Mitch Hanigar. Yeah, I was going to say he reminds me so much of Mitch Hanig. He does. I mean, he hasn't quite broken out like Mitch did.

But, you know, good right fielder can fake it in center field for a while, probably 25 home run power, draws walks. And I'm talking like 2019 or 2018 Mitch Hanigar, not, you know, 2022 Mitch Aniger, where it's sellout. out for power. He struggled this year, though, but he does remind me quite a bit of Mitch Hanigar. And I believe that, and this is just a speculation of mine, I think Jerry DePoto and that

baseball and that baseball ops department, they really like Taylor Ward. Yeah. And they would like to acquire him. He was still slightly above league average this year, 107 WRC plus. And he was having, you know, he was having a DC near until his, you know, face exploded thanks to a fastball from Malick Manoa. Sounds very much like Mitch Hanigar, doesn't it? Yeah.

Wow. Uh, the, you know, he's probably not a 137 WRC plus guy like he was in, in, and, in 2022. But, uh, can he be like a 110, 115 WRC plus guy? I think he can. Yeah. So. Yeah. So I would, I would like them kicking the tires on a, on a Taylor Ward trade. Um, I just, I don't see any potential of a deal happening between these two teams because of everything that we just said, uh, with, with the whole Jerry thing. I, I think there's legitimate. there and like they just straight up don't want to work with with jerry i wonder if he's like straight up just blacklisted by arty merino no matter who the regime is there the front office is he might be um i i will say it's one-sided like jerry is not ignoring the angels yeah jerry's not going to ignore any opportunity to right potentially make his team better right and so if that's just how the angels feel

you're kind of stuck uh but taylor ward is a guy you get him for three years uh he's going to be you know uh He's 29 right now. He'll turn 30. This is the type of guy that the angels should sell if they were to actually rebuild, which I think they should. But it doesn't seem like they're interested in doing that. It doesn't feel like they have any interest in trading anybody to the Mariners, period. But, you know, there are some legitimate opportunities on this team, and it kind of sucks that we have to cross them off the list because Taylor Ward makes a whole lot of sense. Patrick Sandball makes a whole lot of sense.

Bern Guifo makes some sense. is Brandon Drory a free agent or is he signed a two-year deal? Don't know off the top of my head. I think he signed a two-year deal. The Mariners have had, in theory, multiple chances to add brand and jury. They don't like him at all. They really close that way. I don't think they're interested in brandon jury for one reason or the other.

He's made them look foolish on that stance for two years in a row. So, you know, maybe just admit you're wrong. But no, I would love to see Taylor Ward, you know, in a Mariners. uniform. Agreed. I think he's a really good fit. Yeah, I think he's a good fit. I think he's a really good player.

And he just reminds me so much of Mitch Hanigher. And like adding a healthy Mitch Hanager type player to this lineup would go a long way. Right. But. Yeah, I mean, because like. The angels are dumb.

Yeah. Yeah, I just, you know, I don't know what the reasons for him not playing, you know, more than what was it? 65 games and all the years leading up to 2022, but I do worry a little bit about that about the fact that he hasn't played a whole lot except for, you know, last season.

But, you know, just talking about the player, talking about what the upside is there, production-wise, it's very Mitch Haniguer-esque, and I think this team could really use a Mitch Hanigur-type bat in their lineup right now. So, I really wish Taylor Ward played for anybody else because he would be very high on my target list. Agreed.

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talk about next year in the ALS as we continue our divisional trade target preview? Do you want to A's because I feel like there's a couple of possibilities with the A's but it's also the A's. The A's are terrible. They don't have a ton of office here. But they're one of the very, very few like clear sellers heading into the soft season. So yeah, let's let's talk about them. So I know you like Seth Brown. I know you like Brent Rucker, but he strikes out a whole lot.

Anyone else? Or you just want to talk about those guys? Well, there is. Uh, Rooker is, is interesting. Um, you know, he's right handed full power hitter, which traditionally not, uh, a profile that works well at, uh, you know, in T-Mobile. Um, and he does strike out a ton. Now, here's the deal. I don't care as much about strikeouts as most of the things.

He said the thing. He said the thing, guys. Uh, but I really don't like there. There has been an overcorrection, uh, on Mariners, like, discourse about, uh, You know, how much you have to eliminate strikeouts. And that's not really the point, right? If Tay Oscar hit 30 home runs, you wouldn't care that he struck out 30% of the time. If he was, you know, if he drew, you know, 10% walk rate, you wouldn't care that he struck out 30% of the time.

So, and Rooker did those things last year. So my bigger concern with Rooker is that he is really first base D.H only. Like, you don't want him in left field. And there were, you know, there's a point at the end of the year where even Oakland was like, yeah, this guy's probably a platoon hitter, so we're only going to start him against lefties. So, you know, he is, he is a really good platoon partner.

But he basically, he's Thai France, but France has a bigger track record. Rooker runs better, but it's not like he's a burner or anything like that. You're not getting excess value on the bases. Again, he's not very good defensively in a corner. But I do like the player. I do like, you know, the idea.

And certainly at some point I'm interested, but I don't think he can be your primary bat that you bring in this winter. And I just, I don't really see a path short of some kind of bulk deal, which Oakland has been known to take. So I'm not saying it's impossible. And I'm not writing, I'm not writing Rooker off entirely just because of the high strikeout rate. But I don't think he's, you know, plan A, B, C, D. Like, he's down the list of ways. What about Ryan Noda?

Because like he strikes out. Same problem. Yeah. But, but on the flip side of that, it's kind of. know what I've talked about with Brain a Belt in the past. Like he also walked a lot this year. So it kind of balances itself out. Like he walked 15.6% of the time this year.

Now, he doesn't hit for a high average. But again, because of the high walk rate, he gets on base a lot. 364 on base percentage this year. 123 WRC plus overall. He's not a good defender.

But again, you need guys that get on base. Like, I know he strikes out a lot, but again, there's a value there in that kind of bet. So what do you think about Noda? I probably pass.

I think Noda is a guy that Oakland, I don't want to say builds around because he's not that type of guy, but I think he's the type of guy that you just keep. And like he's, you know, a fan, like a guy that fans can root for. And you really don't lose much value if you trade him.

He's just a rookie. So you have him for five more years and like you can trade him in a year or two and basically get the same value. Maybe more because maybe he cuts down on the strikeouts. Right. So, you know, in theory, Noda is fine, but I just, I don't think I'm going to want to pay the freight that Oakland's probably going to ask. Now, I don't know what they're going to ask. I'm speculating on costs.

Well, we had heard that, you know, when the Mariners were trying to talk to them about Frankie Montas and Chris Bassett, that they were kind of putting a divisional tax on their ask with, I assume not just the Mariners, but maybe the Astros, Rangers, whoever else was talking to them within the AOS. So maybe that's still a thing. I don't see why it should be. I mean, if it was even a thing. If it even was a thing to begin with, right? We don't know for sure.

That was just something that was kind of floating around out there. But, yeah, I just, like, there are guys on the A's that I like. That I'm like, yeah, they're interesting. But I just don't see a perfect fit here. So. Yeah, there's a reason this team's rebuild. building it's because they suck right no they're really bad uh they have some interesting players they have some fun players like a story uh ruiz but uh overall i just i don't i don't really see a perfect

here for the mariners and again if the the aes are going to ask for a little bit more because the mayor is just so happening again we don't know if this is the thing but if that is the case where they're asking for a little bit more just because the mayor is playing the same division as them i'm out yeah um i do think it's you know uh paul blackburn is kind of an interesting number five type. But I feel like he's more or less right-handed Marco. So he's probably known JP Sears is a guy, lefty, I think would work really well out of the pen.

So maybe. But, you know, he's also got five years of club control. So I just don't know that's going to happen. And then Austin Pruitt, I believe, is a, is it Austin or there's a couple of Pruitts. It's awesome. It's awesome. It's awesome.

There's some interesting things with Pruitt. He is a rental. But there's a chance that he gets non-tendered. So yeah, there are a couple guys here, like a couple role players that maybe fit. Oh, he got DFA'd. And he's, but he has a forum injury apparently. Oh, okay. Well, I don't know.

I don't know much about it. I just went on his fan graph page real quick. Sure. So yeah, Seth Brown, Ryan Noda, Brent Rucker as role players. I think they all make some sense. Paul Blackburn and, you know, like J.P. Sears or Ken Waldichuk, mostly the lefties out of the pen is where I would have interest in them. But there's a few guys, a few role players, you know, some bench guys, some, you know, number five starters, rotation depth types. But there's really not a lot here.

And any player that you might have interest in, probably one that Oakland doesn't want to trade. but who knows, they might just burn the entire thing to the ground even further. So, yeah, I mean, like, again, if I could get Rooker for like a bulk deal, like for like three, you know, prospects in my 20 through 30 range, fine, whatever. I'm in. Yeah. Because I can get them at bats at first, DH, and I could stick them in the outfield once or twice a week and not absolutely destroy my defense. So same goes for Brown. If I could get him for like, you know. Peanuts.

Yeah. balls and and you know an ice ice cold coke like fine whatever yeah but there's just not anybody that i'm like really excited about there's nobody that i'm like like they don't have a sean murphy right they don't have that guy who you're just like no that's the guy and then everybody else is yeah they don't have they don't have they don't have a five one player on that team no they don't i don't oh i mean Zach geloff might be that guy but like maybe but they're not trading him yeah yeah but like yeah like i i don't know they might they might go into next year with one guy who could legitimately get three war.

Yeah. So that's a bad, bad team. And there's a reason why. So, yeah, I mean, obviously there are some bulk guys, some some bullpen guy or some potential bullpen guys. But nobody that I look at and I say, yeah, this guy absolutely, you acquire him. And he's going to be in your starting lineup every day. And he's going to be in your opening day bullpen. Like, nobody like that even.

So, yeah. Yeah. Some guys to watch. Sure. but not a ton there. So the Astros. This is another team where it's like, I like quite a few of the players on the roster.

I just don't know how the Marys would, you know, in any reality, be able to land them. One guy that I look at, I kind of jokingly talked about with you is Chas McCormick, but Cheater McCormick. Yeah,

Cheater McCormick. One, like, Andrew Ty France. Yeah, I don't think the Marys would have any interest in bringing them in the clubhouse. I don't know if that actually was a thing, but. It doesn't feel like they didn't act like it was a thing.

So they don't act they don't ever really they don't like anything is a thing though but like except for except for Brent Honeywell in Chicago when he hit Jose cabbiero that was that was weird. I mean that was that was definitely a thing because that was a punk move but like I don't know you're saying you don't want Hector Nairis. Is he a free agent anyway? Nah, he can opt it's like an eight million dollar player option or something like that but no that's definitely not happening. Yeah, so like, I'll tell you what,

the one guy that I think has a chance to get traded this winter, actually. That would surprise a lot of people. Just not going to get traded to Seattle. They're not doing this in division. Alex Breggman is a guy. I could absolutely see them trade. Yeah.

You know, they're going to, if the Red Sox didn't have Devers, he would be a perfect Red Sox. Alex Breggman. I can just, I can easily see him in that uniform. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, he already takes advantage of the Crawford boxes,

so he might as turn some of those home runs into doubles. But, yeah, I like Bregman, a good player. It sounds like the Astros are wanting to re-up Altuve again. They have Tucker. They're going to have to take care of here pretty soon. Kyle Tucker's another guy. Maybe they keep Bregman and trade Tucker. But again, I just don't see those guys getting traded in division.

It's not that Houston won't trade with Seattle. they have in the past. Yeah, they have. It says they're not going to trade on the high end. No, no. Which is another reason that I'm just like, I don't think they would do McCormick. Yeah, McCormick had to break out year. Yeah.

Like, could you go get like a Jake Myers? Maybe. Maybe fourth outfield type, like whatever. Could you go get? They don't really have a ton of like depth pieces that I'm into like Dubon maybe, but. Yeah, Dubon's a nice player. I like Dubon. Some guys in the pen, like Brian Obrayu, maybe, but like,

when they trade Presley? They might, but also like, what do they want? And do the Mariners want to give that to, you know, their division rivals? So, yeah, again, by the way, the whole idea might as well address this because it's the only time we're going to. The idea that like interdivision trades are like really rare, they're really not. Uh, but they do come with like a little bit of extra, uh, you know, bunk on them because, you know, it particularly if you're both competing for the division, which yeah, if you're both aiming for the same spot. Right. Yeah. Right. It's a lot easier to

trade with the Angels and the A's because realistically they don't have much of a shot next year. Whereas Houston wants to win the World Series next year and probably can, uh, you know, so and so can you. So yeah, Bregman and Tucker would be awesome and I could see one of them getting traded. I would not be shocked if one of them got traded. It's just not going to be to the Mariners. And that's too bad because I think both would be great fits in Seattle. Yeah. But yeah, obviously Altuve is not going anywhere. Pena, you're better at shortstop than they are anyways. Who cares? You better catchers. Your rotation's better. Like maybe a bullpen piece or two, but the bullpins are pretty similar. And I'm not trading, you know, premier prospects for Ryan Presley and probably the Astros aren't either.

So, yeah, there's just not a great fit. These teams are, like you're not getting yordon so um although yeah i'd be i'd be surprised yeah yeah i'd be surprised for yordon maybe yord on for that's a that's a galaxy brain trade idea um yeah i'd be very surprised if uh these two teams made a major league trade like maybe a minor league trade but a major league trade this winter um yeah maybe maybe one of the bullpen arms but i'd be pretty surprised overall you're listening to the locked on mirrors podcast thank you again for making us your first listen we are previewing the american league west and trying to identify some trade targets potentially for the mariners this winter uh lastly we're talking about the

texas rangers who are now one win away from winning the world series so possibly going to have a world series champion back to back in the american league west uh but uh two two separate teams um the rangers i assume they're just going to be looking to to build upon what they already have this winner but is there anyone on that roster you think could be available and could be available for the mariners uh yeah actually um one name that i would throw out there and this is like one percent chance that it might happen um Corey Seeger uh no but Nathaniel low okay uh you know left-handed hitting first baseman kind of tie france-like but from the left side uh you know i think again speculation but i think texas is going to be involved in peterlanzo talks i think they're

going to be involved in goldsmith if he is shop like i could see the rangers going like big like if they don't get otani and i think they're going to try but i just don't see it um not impossible but if they don't get Otani, I don't think they're going to not spend money this year. And so you go, okay, where can we upgrade? Low was okay this year, but not great. So if they do acquire, you know, a first baseman like Pete Alonzo, might they trade low? Maybe. Maybe.

Would they trade them to Seattle? I don't know. I don't. And again, like the Astros, the Rangers and the Mariners will make trades with each other. They're not opposed to that whatsoever. You know, a couple guys like John Gray, maybe do the Rangers think they can do better? Can they eat some of that salary? I'll say this based on just, you know, just watching him from afar and,

and, uh, some batted ball profile stuff. Uh, Josh H. Smith seems like a guy that the Mariners would, would want to take a shot on. Uh,

he's been pushed out, uh, in that infield for obvious reasons. Uh, but I just, I feel like every time I watch him play, he can play multiple spots, you know,

left handed hitter. He's got some pop. He's got some wheels. like he feels like a solid bench guy who's just been passed over by obviously all the big free agents and young and and Duran and like he's been pushed off that roster and so just wonder maybe somebody like that and you know Seattle does have bullpen pieces which should interest Texas so here's a few guys you know I mean like pie in the sky never going to happen Adoles Garcia would be awesome to have Julio but that's that's I mean yeah that's not

happening. I'd get almost as excited about that as if the mariner signed Otani. Because like Dolos Garcia right now is probably my favorite non-mariner in baseball. Yeah, I love Adolus. It sucks that he's out for the rest of the series, but it looks like he's probably going to get that ring either way. So, yeah, Dolos would be awesome. Texas does have a limit in their payroll. I know it seems like they don't, but they do. And they've added Scherzer and, you know, they're going to want to add even more this winter. So there are some guys. I don't have the Arb list in front of me, but they're going to have to make some choices on some guys.

They're not going to be able to just continue to spin, spin, spin, because every team has their limit, even the Mets, even the Dodgers. So I do think there's a chance, but it's a very tight window. It's a tough needle to thread when you're trading again with another team who figures to be competing for the exact same thing you are next year. right because right now just like regardless of if the if the rangers win the world series or not Seattle's roster is as good as Texas is right now I mean they were right there they're right

as good it might be better certainly better bullpen better pitching staff I don't think that's debatable line up for the Rangers a little bit deeper but you have the same star power that uh potential that that Texas does you have Julio he's your core receiver yeah you have JP like that's your simian like you have the guys so you make one or two you have a good offseason and you're better than Texas offensively too. So it's really tough for these three teams, Texas, Seattle and Houston, because conceivably all three of them, if they have the right off season, they could all win the division.

Like, nobody would be shot. And given what's happened in the last two years, pretty good shot, they might win a World Series based off of that. So ALE East is a little bit top heavy, a little bit overrated. The Central's bad. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So I think these three teams are all interesting.

during this offseason thinking we can win a world series next year and that starts with winning the division all three of them are going to have some money to spend but not a ton the mariners have the most in theory in theory yeah they should have the most to spend they should have the flexibility yeah wink the raffy wink wink wink wink you don't have to say wink just wink i am wink wink uh it's only one eye that's what i'm doing wink where are the league fans at out there but let us say in the comments below yeah Whitney died how's Michael Jackson taking it oh buddy so so real quick Rangers are eligible players on their projections according to MLB trade rumors Matt Bush 2.1 million Brett Martin 1.28

million Nathaniel low 8.8 million which maybe lends a little bit more to the whole could they trade him thing Jonathan Hernandez 1.3 million. Jonah Heim 3.6 million. Adelaus Garcia, 6.6 million. Dan Dunning, 3.4 million. Brock Burke, 1.1 million. Josh Spores.

How do you pronounce that guy? Spores, I think. Is this Spores? 900K. And then Leone Tavares, 2.4. No. It's not a ton there, but low. Burke, kind of interesting.

Lefty has a pen. Yeah. Yeah. There are some fits here. But like I said, you're threading a needle when you're talking to Houston and Texas. So honestly, the team in the division with the best fit for the mayors is the Angels. Maybe the fourth reset after Depoto has finally softened the idiot's head. But I doubt it.

So it's too bad too because, like I said, Taylor Ward to me is like the guy in this division that it's like, I think makes a lot of sense. I think you could get him for a good, you know, for good package. You're not getting him for cheap. And that's fine. I'm not trying to get a cheap player. I'm trying to get a good player. So, but yeah,

I think Sandoval, I think Detmer's, I think Ward. I think those are all great fits. It's just one team isn't willing to engage with you. As far as we know, maybe that's changed. Maybe they just haven't lined up with the last few years,

but we're also not in the building. So we don't know exactly. Maybe there is an issue there with, with Jerry. Like maybe Jerry doesn't want to talk to. I just, I can't imagine that Jerry just closed him off from a, close himself off from a channel to,

to make his team better. Actually, based off of like personal beef. I think I remember being told last summer that they asked about Taylor Ward. Like so they were willing to discuss that and the angels just. And again, you know, maybe this year,

the last two years or three years, the angels like they went for it at the deadline. And so they were really looking to sell now that they lose Otani, now that trout might want out and, and, you know, he's got his back issues and all that stuff. Maybe they are finally willing to.

If he gets traded, he's going to fill. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, without question. Yeah. And that's probably going to be like Trout for like, Schwabber and like. Yeah.

Like they're going to get some major league pieces back for trout. Um, and also they're going to have, they're going to have to contract swap a little bit there. So like for. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

Uh, they can't like, I, I wouldn't be shocked if the Angels had an offseason where we look at and we go, I mean, you could you show a Otani, but, you know, you know they they and even if they trade trout it's like oh yeah they traded trout but they added

schwarber and they added you know Mick able and and they added you know whatever and you're just like no now it would take a good baseball guy and an owner that doesn't you know stand in the way which so that's not going to happen right which makes it highly unlikely let's say yeah yeah but it's out there i just i man i really wish taylor ward was on a different team because he would be way up uh in my yeah list. Yeah. But so it goes.

So once again, if you like this offseason talk, if you like this trade talk, we're doing a whole lot more of it over on our Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash control the zone. Again, you can get a seven-day free trial so you can listen to the last few episodes that we post on there, kind of hammering out our off-season plan, throwing some ideas out there. We're still working on it. We're actually working on a kind of exciting idea behind the scenes that we're going to talk

about on tomorrow's show. So if you're interested in hearing about that, we're going to be talking about that tomorrow. We're delaying today's episode of CTZ to tomorrow. So, yeah, check that out when it drops. Before we get out of here, question of the day, because there is no Thanksgiving, like, I mean, there's Thanksgiving in October here in Canada. Now that Halloween's over, it's all Christmas up here. So I'm going to ask you guys a Christmas-themed question here. What is the best and worse Christmas song. Let us know comments below. You're opening yourself up for the wrath of God

by talking about Christmas before Thanksgiving. But you know what? I'll say it. Thanksgiving sucks. We should just go straight. I love Thanksgiving. Yeah, that's right. Ty will bring that back at some point.

Yeah, yeah. He'll slip into an ad read when we least expect it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay on high alert. I don't love Thanksgiving. I hate Thanksgiving. So bring on Christmas. And the correct answer is obviously Mariah Carey all I want for Christmas.

It's already started up here. It's already started. That is a song that is appropriate in July. Okay. Okay. But when you hear it like 70 billion times over the course of two and a half months, no, you know. It gets better every time. No.

No. Anyway, let us let us know down below. I know it's super early for you guys because you still have Thanksgiving to worry about. But it's Christmas season, a season up here in Toronto. know, so as it should be. Right. Any Knacking Cole fans out there? Yeah.

There you go. I love Christmas music. Ty likes fake Christmas music. I love Christmas music. They say Santa in the lyrics and it doesn't matter what the rest of it's about. Ty Count said as a Christmas. Tye's Christmas taste is like Die Hard the Christmas movie. Sub question is Die Hard a Christmas movie?

Boom. True questions of the day. Let us know below. All right. Thank you so much for joining us here. Let it snow. Thank you so much. joining us here on the lot of time.

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