Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - TEEEEOOOOOO!!! Mariners Trade For Teoscar Hernández

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

The Seattle Mariners have made their first big move of the off-season, adding two-time Silver Sluggers and All-Star Outfielder Teoscar Hernandez from the Toronto Blue Jays. On today's episode of Locked on Mariners, Colby and Ty breakdown the player, the return, and what happens next including which types of bats to pursue and how to replace Erik Swanson in the bullpen.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/SimpliSafeWith Fast Protect™️ Technology, exclusively from SimpliSafe, 24/7 monitoring agents capture evidence to accurately verify a threat for faster police response. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafe. Visit SimpliSafe.com/LockedOnMLB to learn more.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We finally got one right. To Oscar Hernandez is a Seattle Mariner. We've been talking about him for the last, I don't know, three weeks or so. And we're going to talk about this deal, how we feel about the return, what Tayasker brings to the table, what this means going forward, all of that. But real quick, hopefully we have quite a few new listeners showing up. So if you are new, first of all, welcome. Hello. Second of all, we are running a giveaway right now, a multi-tiered giveaway until the end of the winter meetings.

Colby, remind the folks what they could win. Yeah, if you guys like autographed baseball cards of Mariners, well, kind of a mix of mariner prospects, current Mariner players and Mariner Legends, then this is a pretty good giveaway for you. The giveaways in December 8th for most of them. All you have to do is subscribe to the YouTube channel. We have already surpassed our first tier, which means somebody is going to walk away with this autographed Taylor dollar card, a pitcher of the year. in the Texas League. We are very quickly closing in on the 4,500 mark. I suspect we'll be there by the end of the day.

At that point, we will give away an autographed Taylor-Tremel card. When we get to 4,500 YouTube subs and 3,000 on Twitter, we still have some work to do on Twitter. We're about 500 short there. We're going to give away an awesome autographed numbered Jared Kelman card. It's a really beautiful card. It's probably my favorite card that we're giving away. at 5,000 though, we're going to give away a Cow Rowley autographed card, which, you know,

Big Dumper. Are you guys fans of the Big Dumper, the guy who ended the playoff drought? I mean, I would be, but maybe you don't want the card. If you don't, I'll keep it. That's fine. And, you know, and then we have a couple bigger goals. If we beat, you know, we overtake locked on Astros and we're about a thousand behind. So that's going to be tough.

But if we do do that. We're almost 2,000 behind now, by the way. That graphic is really outdated. Yeah, well in a World Series will do wonders for your subscriber account. So yeah, I think they're at 6.1K now. Okay, so we're probably not going to get there. But if you guys get us there, I will happily give away this Mike Cameron autograph card. It's a really cool card.

And if we get to 10,000, which we don't expect to, which is why I was very willing to put up my autographed graded Logan Gilbert rookie draft card. it is 9.5. Becca graded. The autograph is a perfect 10. So yeah, if you guys want to go crazy and force me to give away that card, I'll be sad but also happy. So go for it.

But that's what we're doing. All right. So I think realistically we can at least get to the 5K mark, give away that big dumper card. And if you want us to give away that Jared Kelnick card, got to get us to the 4,500 subscriber mark on YouTube and 3,000 followers on Twitter. And we're working our way up a little bit slowly but surely over on Twitter. think we're around 2,500 now.

I think we eclips 2,500 a little while ago. So we're under 500 to go there. So if you have a Twitter account, come on over at L.O. underscore Mariners. Give us a follow. And you'll help us get closer to that mark so we can give away that Kelnit card by the end of the winter meetings. And we'll be picking all the winners after the winter meetings are officially wrapped up. So we woke up this morning.

to a trade from the Seattle Mariners. Justin Hollander, of course, on 710 Seattle Sports the other day said, you know, I missed the Julio Rodriguez rookie of the year announcement because I'm, I was working on a trade. Well, as it so turns out, this was the trade that he was working on. He confirmed today on 710 Seattle Sports. He talked a little bit more about this deal and we'll get into some of his comments as well a little later on.

But let's just talk about the player that the Mariners are getting here and Tay Oscar Hernandez, who's primarily been a right fielder for the Toronto Blue Jays since being traded from the Houston Astros a few years ago. He is a two-time Silver Slugger Award winner, a one-time All-Star. He absolutely crushes baseballs. That's just what he does. This year, he was 96 percentile on average exit velocity, 94th percentile on mex. exit velocity

98th percentile and hard hit rate for reference by the way I believe Julio was 93rd percentile in a hard hit rate we know how much Julio just absolutely destroy his baseballs this guy was better

he was 86 percentile in ex-woba 78th percentile and X batting average 95th percentile in X slugging 94th percentile and barrel percentage and then you get into the actual numbers he slash 267 316 499 this season with a one 20-291

WRC plus. He was worth 2.4 F4, 25 home runs, 77 RBI, even stole six bags, struck out a lot, 28.4% of the time and walked 6.4% of the time. But Colby, even with those bad strikeout numbers, when you crush the ball that he, the way that he does, and when you're able to do damage consistently when you're able to make contact, that really doesn't matter, right? No, not so much. It's definitely easier to overlook those things. Yeah, very few people hit the ball's hardest to Oscar Hernandez. Also pretty interesting about Taylor's. Pretty good athlete, really strong arm. He is an upgrade over Mitch Hanigar defensively. It's not significant. Teosker's not a gold glover or anything like that. But he is a better athlete. He moves around better. He's got just as strong if not a strong arm. than Mitch Hanigar. So, yeah, you know, when you're looking at Teosker, the thing that really jumps out is the X-Gelosity and the hard hit rate.

He's got just, you know, insane pull power. And, yeah, Teosker is essentially Mitch Hanigar, 2021. He's just a safer bet to play every day and give you 2021. Mitch Hanigar number. So that's really what it is. It's, you know, think about how good the Mariners might be, might have been last year if they got a repeat of the 2021 Mitch Hanigar. That's basically what they just added here with the, you know, added bonus of not being worried about the guy missing 70 games at any moment. So yeah, it's the, the strikeout numbers are a little concerning. Doesn't walk a ton. He's not a super CTCZ guy. His numbers,

against right-handed pitching are solid but not spectacular, but he crushes lefties. He hits the ball extremely hard. You know, he's a, believe it or not, a defensive upgrade over Mitch Hanager and Jesse Winker. And by all accounts, he's going to be a great clubhouse guy. Teammates seem to love him in Toronto. I think he's just a really solid fit for what the Mariners are trying to do.

Yeah, I talked about this a few weeks ago when I first brought up to Oscar that, you know, the fans love him. His teammates absolutely adore him. He was part of the heart and soul of the Toronto Blue Jays over the last few years. And this is basically

from a pure vibes perspective, this is the equivalent of the Gino Suarez trade last year in terms of the kind of character that you're bringing into the clubhouse. This is going to make an already amazingly fun clubhouse, infinitely more fun. Like,

that's just the kind of guy. that Teoska Hernandez is. He's an incredibly fun ball player, and he's going to bring a lot of that energy to Seattle, and he's quickly going to become a fan favorite with, and also, you know, Mariners fans, if you are attending games in Seattle, get ready to say,

Teo, because that's all they do here in Toronto, and now that's going to be a Seattle thing, and it's going to be a lot of fun to hear that in that ballpark, and hear that finally on our side. That's going to be pretty cool. So additionally, dude crushes left-handed pitching, like absolutely matches left-handed pitching. He is second in OPS against left-handed pitchers amongst qualified hitters since 2020. He's been better than guys like Trey Turner.

Dude just destroys left-handed pitching. Also, I need to bring this up here from Zach Left on Twitter, but he posted some of Teosso. And I guess numbers against AOS teams. And I think you guys will particularly like what he's done against the Houston Astros. This comes from at Zach Left on Twitter. Against the Angels and 37 plate appearances, 353, 405, 441 slash line. Against the Mariners, 308, 345519 slash line. Against the Rangers, 258, 395-16 slash line.

against the A's 250, 372 500 slash line. And then against the Astros, his former team, 318, 375, 500. Colby, this is the type of move that you make if you're actually trying to be serious about contending with the defending World Series champion and the Astros. You have to add this kind of firepower. And this, you know, we're going to talk about what this means for the rest of the off season. But, you know, this isn't the, you know, the heavy lifting isn't. done with this move. It's far from done, but this

is a great first move. This is a great statement to make. And Teostr gives you someone that you can put in the top three or four of your lineup. He pushes guys like Gino Suarez down, potentially tie France down. And that's

a good thing because that lengthens your lineup that makes you a lot deeper and it gives more firepower and more legitimate threats to go yard, to get extra base hits, all that stuff behind Julio. Because what was the biggest issue that we talked about heading into the postseason? Who was going to be the other guy besides Julio who was going to step up?

We got a little bit from Cal Raleigh. We got a little bit from Gino Suarez. But imagine if you had someone like Tay Oscar Hernandez in there as well. Now you have that. And that just makes you all the more dangerous. And, you know, if you pair him with someone like Sandra Bogartz, Trey Turner, Carlos Correa, even, you know, Brandon Nemo, Andrew Benatendi, whoever they end up and go out and get from this point forward,

this lineup is going to be really, really dangerous and a lot better suited to compete with a pitching staff like the Astros in a, you know, three or in a five game, seven game series. So this is really exciting. This is a really exciting stuff. This is a great first move by the Mariners. We're going to be talking about the rest of the deal, how we feel about it in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by SimplySafe. If you thought about securing your home with home security but have been putting it off, you'll want to listen up right now.

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You're listening to the Lockdown Mariners podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen after the Tay Oscar Hernandez trade. So going to the Blue Jays in return for Tay Oscar Hernandez, who is only under club control for the next year. He is a free agent at the end of this upcoming season. The Mariners give up right-handed reliever, Eric Swanson, who was arguably one of the best relievers in all baseball. this past season and left-handed pitching prospect, Adam Maco. So what's your reaction to the return? My reaction is the Mariners did, they did well.

They didn't fleece the Blue Jays because, again, Tayosker's the one-year rental guy. Swanson, you know, we talked about how great he was. I still think that if they go to Swanson instead of Robbie Ray, we're probably at least going to a game five, but whatever, what do I know? I don't need to rehash that again. So, yeah, Swanson is a very good reliever. I would say he falls short of being like an elite type.

I think there's a very good chance we just saw his best season. The Mariners easily could have sold high, but I still think Eric Swanson is going to be a good reliever, an above average reliever. somebody you would trust in, you know, some high leverage situations depending on matchups. So, yeah, they had to dip into their major league, their major league roster. They traded from a strength to try and fill a hole. You know, it would have been amazing if they could have gotten it for the Chris Flexen trade package, but that just wasn't going to happen.

So, yeah, I see a lot of people, you know, excited that they didn't give up Flexen to get to Oscar. I don't know why. You'd much rather have Eric Swanson on this team than Chris Flexen, but you know, you have to give something to get something. And, you know, giving up a three years of a reliever for one year of an everyday, above average, you know, like all-star quality hitter isn't too bad. You know, Maco's a guy that we like as well, but he's a little undersized.

He had a lot of injury issues this last year. The command and control really haven't taken steps forward. The breaking balls, both of them took a step back in 2022. He's still a good prospect, but he's not somebody that the Mariners are going to desperately miss. We'll miss him because we'd like Adam McO, but he's a guy that the Mariners seem to basically draft every year. So this is part of, you know, when you're good at drafting and developing, particularly pitchers, you're okay giving them up to get, you know, major league impact because you know that you can replace that guy. And Maco was probably going to slide outside the top 15 to 20 in my prospect ranks anyways just because you didn't have a very good year.

So the Mariners give up something. You know, I think the Blue Jays did okay for a one year rental. And I think the Mariners, I think this is a trade that, you know, I'm not going to say that it's like you love it. It's not going to be like the Thai France trade, right? It's not going to be one of those, you know, fleecings, so to speak. But the Mariners did very well here. And I think the Blue Jays did as well. I think this is just a good solid trade where both teams address their biggest need by trading from something of a surplus.

So we'll see how it works. But, yeah, the Mariners didn't get Tay Oscar for free. But they also didn't give up so much that it's the only move that they could make, if that makes sense. Yeah. And I'm still, you know, relatively surprised at that. that's all it took to get to Oscar and it is given what he means to that clubhouse, that fan base, the fact that,

you know, Ross Atkins is going to have to spend this to that fan base, which is not taking it very well right now. And, you know, but the thing that, you know, I talked about when I first brought up to a Oscar is like,

the Blue Jays have all this pitching. Or they have all this pitching. They have all this offense, right? They've had a dominant offense for the last few years, particularly the last couple of years, but it hasn't gotten them anywhere. They miss the playoffs in 2021.

They make the playoffs this year and get absolutely embarrassed with one of the greatest comebacks of all time in the wild card series against the Mariners. They, you know, and the pitching market this year is not great. I mean, you're seeing how expensive it is to land relievers like Eric Swanson on the market right now. And, you know, the starting pitching market isn't great either. So I felt that, you know, it was possible the Blue Jays could turn. to Oscar or someone like that from their offense, subtract from their offense to get better

pitching wise because look, the reason why they blew that lead in the wild card series is because of their bullpen. Bullpen was not, their bullpen is not good. And Eric Swanson helps them at least a little bit with that. Now, relievers are ultimately volatile. And that's why I don't have any issue with the Mariners trading Eric Swanson. He had a great year this year. Don't get me wrong.

But also, he was like the third, fourth, sometimes even the fifth guy to come out of the bullpen for the Mariners this year and he was almost non-existent in the playoffs because they didn't use him like and whether that's you know just a dumb decision by Scott service or he just flat out yeah yeah I mean yes or he just didn't trust him either way like it was clear that he wasn't as valuable to the Mariners as maybe he would be to the Blue Jays and I think this is a good trade overall because it helps the Blue Jays in a position of need and it helps the Mariners in a position of need and this is what ultimately trades are about, right? Both teams are supposed to benefit. One team isn't supposed to rob the other blind. That's how most trades end up going in the end, but,

or, or, you know, they, or no one gets anything. It doesn't really work for anybody. Yeah. Yeah. Usually one of those two. Yeah. But this is ultimately like on paper, this is how trades are supposed to work. And so, you know, and also the Blue Jays, they, they wanted to add a, more of a, you know, a left-handed element to their lineup, as Jerry DePoto would say, right? Left-handed element, not just a left-handed hitter, right, a left-handed element. And particularly in the outfield. And there are options there. There's reports that they're interested in Brandon Nemo, just like the Mariners are.

They obviously had some interest in trading for Andrew Penitendi at the deadline this past summer. So, you know, I think at the end of the day, for Blue Jays fans who may be over here watching the show, I think you guys are going to have a plan in place or that you guys have a plan in place that Ross Atkins has a plan in place now to kind of address the hole that was left open by Hernandez. And at the end of it, you get three years of a guy who was one of the best relievers in baseball. I don't know if he's going to repeat that necessarily this year. But you also look at the baseball savant numbers. I mean, he was ridiculous this year.

98th percentile on average X-E velocity, 96 percentile on hard hit rate, 97th percentile on XERA slash ex-Woba, 88th percentile next batting average the list goes on and on and on the whole his whole baseball savant page is red and that's really good for those that are unfamiliar so yeah and macko you know he's interesting like you said you know he had a down year and all that uh but we like adam macko uh we know his his dad is a viewer of the show so you know appreciate him and uh you know good luck to to you guys in toronto it uh it's worth noting too you know adam macko played his high school ball in canada and we know how much Toronto, the Blue Jays, love, love to acquire Canadians.

Justin Hollander said as much today on 710 that when they drafted Maco, one of their AGMs reached out to him via Texas and said, you know, we were going to draft him the next round or whatever, whenever our next pick comes up. He was like, I don't know if that was just lip service or whatever, but they continually asked about him for the last few years, Hollander said. And so that added some legitimacy to it. And finally, they get the steel done because they just, they love. that he's a Canadian kit, right?

So it makes sense. But at the end of the day, nobody fleeced anybody. No, no. You know, the only, like, maybe, maybe it turns out Swanson's really bad and Macco's a fringe big leaguer or maybe Tay Oscar just doesn't really perform and he leaves in free agency. Maybe one side ends up winning the trade, quote unquote. But as we sit here now in reality, it's just, it's a good solid baseball trade. both teams, I think, get a little bit better.

They get closer to where they want to be. And that's how it's supposed to work. And for the Mariners, this trade doesn't take them out of anything that else they want to do. There's nothing here monetarily. There's nothing here in trade costs that they can't continue to do more. And for the Blue Jays, they weren't going to sign to Oscar anyways in free agency. They're going to have to start playing Vlad. They're going to have to, you know, play Pachette pretty soon.

Manoa is going to start going to start needing attention as well. You know, obviously, you know, you have, you Kirk too.

Like, they have a lot of young talent that they're going to have to start paying. Alex, Manoa. Right, which I already said. Oh,

you did. Okay. I totally missed that. Okay. They also have, you know, obviously they're paying Gossman and Burrios and Ryu and Springer.

And so they're already paying a lot of guys. And they want to add more. They want to add like Brandon Nimell. That's another $20 million. They weren't going to sign Tay Oscar. past this year. That's just a fact. So yeah, they trade a guy who's not in their long-term plans for somebody who might be, but they also, you know, still get, they still also improve their club in other areas.

It's just a good solid trade for both sides. Yeah. And also, the Mariners spent quite a bit of money on this deal as well. Tay Oscar is projected to make $14.3 million in arbitration. Eric Swanson is only projected to make 1.6. So that's a, you know, 13-ish million dollar swing there for the, for the Mariners. So starting to add some payroll, you know, for those of you that, that love the payroll stuff. You know, so they're adding a little bit of payroll here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what does this mean for the future, Colby? And what does this mean for the rest of this off season? Now that they've landed one of their impact bats, this isn't the only impact bat that they should add, in my opinion. I'm sure you agree with that as well. But this is a good step in the right direction. And John Marosi today tweeted that the Mariners are still looking at outfield options to fill out either left field or right field.

Because, you know, when we were talking about this on our Patreon show earlier this week, or maybe it was last week, Patreon.com forward slash control of zone, by the way. You and I, you know, discovered that Teosker has been a bit better in left feet. field than right field. So maybe that's an option. But actually, before we get into all that, got to remind you folks real quick that this episode of Locked on Mariners is brought to you by BetOnline. Betonline.net is your number one source for sports betting info, stats, news, and analysis.

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there's Max Kepler who is arguably the best defensive right fielder in all of baseball this past season that they can potentially trade for from Minnesota there's a lot of options out there for them to attack this but now that they have Tay Oscar in place how would you like to see them go after their second outfield ad and what kind of player would you like to see them add there yeah so this is pretty interesting because I think Tay Oscar, if he is the second best bat you add this year, then it's a good offseason. So I think you need to add somebody better than Tay Oscar. And for agency, those are very limited options.

It's basically, you know, the three short stops, not Dansby. And Nimmo really are your only options. So I don't think that it necessarily in free agency. Those are your only options. So I think, you know, ideally you would go out and you would get like Xander Bogarts and you put Tay Oscar in and that would be, and then you would add kind of like an average, league average bat. And I think you would call that good.

But again, the shortstop market, it's going to be tough for the Mariners to crack. I think they're going to try. I think they are trying. But I don't think that they're going to wait around for that market to play out. And, you know, it appears they didn't wait around for the free agent outfielder market to to play out or that or they thought they had a really good beat on it and maybe they don't think they can afford Brandon Nemo. Maybe Nemo's going to get six and one 50 and the Mariners are just out on that. That's definitely a possibility. So I think, you know, when you kind of look at like what's out

there, my first preference would be that they just go get Correa or Bogarts. But, you know, failing that, I think they need to get at least another Teoscar Hernandez level bat, either at second base or in the outfield. And if it's two Teosker types, then the third bat you bring in probably needs to be a 110-ish WRC plus guy as opposed to like a 100 WRC plus guy. So they still need to add two rather significant bats. But hey, you know what? Needing to add two really good bats is a lot better than needing to add three.

And that's what the Teosker trade does. it crosses a huge, you know, a huge need off of your wish list. So for me, I'm still shopping top of the market. I'm still checking in on Nemo. I'm still checking in on Bogarts and Correa and I guess Turner, even though it seems like a pipe dream. But I'm still at the top of the market here. And then I think, you know, I want that top of the market bat to be my big prize.

And then if I get one of those guys, then I'm perfectly comfortable rolling with like Tray Mancini, Will Myers, Max Kepler, just kind of a league average bat. So I'm still looking for, I want to make Tayasca the second best hitter that I add this winter. That would be my goal.

By the way, Justin Hollander today saying that the Mariners were actually pretty close to acquiring Teosker last spring training. Maybe I would assume before they ended up landing Winker and Swares. So that's pretty interesting that they've been

and on Tay Oscar for a while for a while here. You know, and also Scott Service, uh, after the, um, you know, game two of the wild card series,

he was like the one guy I was worried about in that lineup was Tay Oscar Hernandez. And sure enough, he got us, you know, he got them for two home runs in that game. And, uh,

now they don't have to worry about him. when they play the blue jays. So that's, uh, that's going to be really cool to have to say Oscar on, uh, on their side. Uh,

so the, uh, the other part of this for what the, the mayor is do from from here now or where they go from here. How do they address the bullpen? How do they address the loss of Eric Swanson? Is it just from within? We've talked at length about how, you know, good Jerry DePoto and company are at identifying relievers and building bullpins and all this. So is it just from within or do you foresee them going outside of the organization to add a reliever with some substance here?

I think it's a little bit of both. I do wonder if maybe the Mariners think, that Matt Festa can be kind of the guy from within. We also know that they've added in particular, Isaiah Campbell recently, to the 40 man. I really think he's going to pitch some big endings for the Mariners in 2023. He certainly got that type of stuff. And honestly, it's kind of similar to Swanson, where it's, you know, fastball at the top of the zone, splitter down, split change down. But Campbell might have better breaking stuff, I think, than Swanson.

But Swanson throws more strikes. I mean, Swanson doesn't walk guys. So I think it's going to be a little bit of both. I don't know if they need to go out and get like a high leverage type because I think what they're going to plan on is kind of, you know, basically replacing Swanson with two middle guys. I think is what I think high leverage wise. They like Brash.

They like Munoz. I think they still believe in Seawald. So I think if they go out and they get like a, you know, just I don't know, Michael Fulmer, Seth Lugo types. They go out and they get a couple of those type of guys. I think they like where they're at. And, you know,

we also need to, you know, keep in mind that the Mariners also have potential bullpen fixes, you know, in their organization who maybe we're not thinking about right now. Penn Murphy kind of was an afterthought and, and he ended up being huge. So the one thing I think we can probably assume is that Jerry's not going to go give three years $10 million to any relief pitcher. He's going to look for

value. He's going to look for guys that he thinks his staff can fix. And just based on his track record, I think we should all feel pretty comfortable about Jerry's ability to patch the bullpen. And if he doesn't get it done by, you know, April 1st or whenever opening day is, he'll definitely have it done by June 1st. Like I'm not concerned about Jerry finding a Swanson replacement. I have total trust that they'll do a good. a job and maybe it's a name we recognize. Maybe it's, you know, a minor leaguer we're not thinking about or maybe it's, it's, you know, a surprise trade where they go out and they get a, I don't know, like David Bednar or whoever, right, pick a name.

Now, does this, does trading Swanson stop them from or give you pause to the potential of trading anyone else out of the bullpen? Not really. If I can get something for Penn Murphy or Diego Castillo or Paul Seawald that, you know, is, is an impact bad or. or, you know, a mid-rotation starter or whatever. Or maybe just a couple bullpen arms. I mean, maybe it's Paul Seawald for two middle relief type of arms. Like, no, I don't. I think, again, if there's one thing we can trust Jerry to put on, and there's more than one.

But if there's one thing we can absolutely trust to Poto and Hollander on, it's finding quality bullpen arms. They'll find them. I'm not worried. And again, maybe it doesn't happen. maybe, you know, we go into this year and, you know, Castillo's bad and, you know, Murphy turns into Steck and Rider or whatever, right? It happened this year.

The bullpen wasn't very good at the beginning of the year. And at the end, it was arguably the best in baseball. So I'm not worried about it at all. So if Jerry feels like, or Jerry and Justin feel like they need to go out and trade one of those guys to help the ball club elsewhere, fine. I don't care. I believe they'll fix it. 100%.

We didn't have a show yesterday, but we, so we haven't covered the Julio rookie of the year news. We haven't talked about Scott Service getting robbed blind of manager of the year, let alone second place as well, him manager of the year voting. That's really the thing that gets me about that. Like I, you know, you and I both expected him to not get it because, you know, whatever. But him not getting even second place and that is something. So we'll talk about that. We'll also talk more about the guys that they add to the 40 man on tomorrow's show.

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