Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The 1996-2021 All-Mariners Draft, Part 1

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode draft teams of Mariners players from 1996 all the way through 2021.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome to Locked-on Mariners, your home for daily Seattle Mariners News and Analysis. Thank you so much for making us your first listen of the day. We are free and available in all platforms. Today is Tuesday, December 14th, 2021. I am your host, Tadie Gonzalez.

joined as always by my co-host Colby Patnode. Follow us on Twitter at L-O-U-U-N-R-N-Rer-N-E. You can follow me at D-A-N-Z-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-Pat-E-E-N-Z-L-Z. And Colby at C-P-A-T-1-1. Be sure to also check out our Patreon, where we talk about the Mariners even more, and also get into some non-baseball talk twice a week. Friendly reminder that Lockdown Mariners,

along with the rest of the Lockdown MLB Network, will be going to three shows a week, starting next Monday and all the way through to mid-February. So if you still want to hear us five times a week, be sure to visit patreon.com forward slash control the zone and subscribe so you can get the two shows that we post every week on there. So with that said, let's get into our show today here on Lockdown Mariners. We're going to be doing an idea that one of our listeners, Drew, sent our way last week on Twitter, where Colby and I will be looking at each of the Mariners rosters from 1996 all the way through 2021. and selecting one player apiece from each roster to make our own All Mariners 26-man rosters. So some guidelines for this draft that we're going to be doing.

The player you select will be that specific version of the player. So if Colby, for example, selects 1996 King Griffey Jr., he's getting 1996 Griffey production and just that. So once that player is taken, all versions of them are now off the board. So you cannot select 1997 for example. So that should make for some interesting strategies if one of us is to say

hold out for a better version of a specific player. And we'll be drafting in a snake format. So I'll be picking first. Then Colby gets back-to-back picks at two and three. Then I go four and five and so on and so forth. We have done absolutely no research or strategizing

ahead of this. So this should be interesting to say the least it also might take a couple of episodes to complete but it should be fun and that's ultimately the goal here so if this is your first time joining us welcome to the show if you like what you hear give us a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this we'd greatly appreciate it colby you're ready to get going sure um i thought though i would say i thought that if you took like i thought we could both take a griffy we just going to take the same year, Griffey. Like, I thought that was what we were doing. Do you want to switch it like that? Do you want to switch

it up like that? I mean, it seems like it could be like an unfair advantage if one of us has a Griffey and the other one doesn't. Uh, because this is going to get really lean in like the 2000 and tens. Like there's going to be quite a few. Uh, so either way. I'm fine either way. It's up to you. Just wanted to clarify that before we got started. That. We could do that. We can do it like that. All right. So switching the rules a little bit.

One of us can take one version of a player. Both of us can take one version of a player over the course of the draft. But no double picking guys. Right. You can't have, you can't get 96 Griffey and 99 Griffey. You get one griffy. But each of us can have one griffy. Yes.

Okay. Indeed. Indeed. All right. So we are starting off with a banger, 1996. Let's look at this roster here. I got to make my first pick. I, ooh, man, this is tough.

I'm going to go, I'm going to go A-Rod. You son of a, oops. I will have to edit that out. Sorry. Apologies. Put the dolphin sound effect over it. Yeah, that's probably the best way. go.

So I guess the good news is. Yes. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I guess the good news is you can't take any of the other A rods. So.

Yes. It feels obvious that I will take an A rod at some point, but I just can't take the 96 version of him, which is maybe the best version. Pretty close at least. So then for 96, I will take, you know what, I'm going to surprise some people here. I think, but this is all part of the roster build fun. Okay, I'm actually going to take 1996

Jay Buehner, yes. Wow, yeah. So I'm going to take I kind of thought about it. It's just, but I don't know how like rigid we want to be with the rules like like can any outfield or just play

any position or does it have to be his primary? You know, like can I put Buehner in left field or does it have to be right field? You can do whatever you want. Just like, the consequences if you're playing them out of position. Sure, which I mean, whatever. But just real fast here.

I think the AROB choice is obvious. I'm going Buneer in 96. Because in 1996, he had 271, 369, 557 with 44 dingers. And that's something that is honestly pretty close to what Griffey did. And I am going to be able to get a Griffey later that I like because there's two great Griffey seasons coming up. and you can only get one of them. So I know I'm going to get the other one.

So I'm going to take Griffey or sorry, Buhner in 96. And in 1997 with my wraparound pick, I'm going to take Randy Johnson. Nice. All right. Interesting. It was like an easy answer here for you, Ty.

The first one should. Yeah. Yeah, 97. I'm going to go Griffey. yeah um yeah that's the easy call yeah arguably his best season yeah it's a fantastic year i mean like look at these listen to these numbers here he's slashed 304 382 646 he had 56 home runs like so what you're saying is he was hashtag good yeah i would say he was pretty decent that year

um jeez you you really passed up on that all right i mean i get it randy but whoof that is a that is a hell of a year don't don't you worry about me all right your 1998 pick all right nineteen ninety eight pick do i stick with the offense i mean

there's some good options offensively but you've taken two of them. Yeah. But I feel like there's a pretty easy answer to this. Yeah, Gar. Yeah. His 98 was insane. Yeah, 322, 429, 565.

He had 29 home runs, 102. 46 doubles. 46 doubles. Yeah. 106 walks to 96 strikeouts. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, Edgar Martinez in 1998. excellent choice

yeah yeah so 98 99 I'm going 98 Griffey um he also in 1998 grippy hit 285

284 365 611 with 56 stingers and 20 stolen bases by the way so yeah 98 for me is Griffey this is why I passed on Griffey in 96 because I knew I was either going to get 97

Griffey or 98 Griffey I knew you're going to take Griffey in 97 or 98. So not that much of a decision here. 99 was not a good year for a lot of, a lot of mariners. A little bit better than I remember record-wise, but 99 was kind of the start of the fallback. However, I do have some options here for 99.

like a sneaky see the interesting thing with 99 is that Edgar right hurt had a bit of a down year and I say that seeing him hit 337 447 554 so yeah Edgar not that great only 24 home runs that year so the pitching staff

yeah a little bit Randy Johnson was hurt and then trade it. So this is kind of the last year that Ty can take Randy Johnson, which is why I took him in 97. So not an obvious pitching pitcher to take here.

Yeah. So yeah, so this one's pretty interesting here. I'm going to go ahead, though, and I'm, let's see, he was hurt. Do I want to try and save this guy? Let me check the 2000 season real fast to see how tricky I want to get here. Trying to get a lot.

a little sneaky, huh? Yeah. Because here's, like, I'll just be honest with you, right? I really want to take 2000 Edgar. And since you've already taken Edgar, I can do that. Like, you can't take Edgar. Right. However, 2000 is also the last year I can take,

I can take A-Rod if I want to take 2000 Edgar. And 2000 A-Rod was like insane. like he was like I mean obviously it led to the huge contract and all that stuff so I think I'm going to I'm going to settle a little bit here for for 2009 Edgar and then obviously with my next pick I will be taking a rod 2000 version since you cannot take him with 99 or 2000 so who's your pick? for 1999. Yeah, there's not. Yeah, especially with the picks that I've made. Like,

I don't know, Jamie Moyer, maybe? Uh, I don't know. It's, I think I don't know, should I go with a oddball one? Yeah, there wasn't, weren't too many good relievers this year either.

Pitching was terrible that year. Yeah. Like I'm not, I'm not really looking to spend a pick on Paul Abbott. Yeah, Bioner wasn't good this year and he was hurt. Like, David Sagi was pretty good.

Yeah, but he only played 90 games. Yeah, 352. Yeah. you already took a Griffey have a great year. Yeah.

You already took a Griffey. You already took an Arod. You already took an Edgar. So those are pretty much the three guys who had good years that year. All right. I think I'm just going to get Jamie Moyer here. And I mean, because he threw like almost 230 innings and had a sub four ERA, sub four FIP, barely. Yeah.

Yeah. that makes that probably makes the most sense for my rotation so you're going to take solid 80s later yeah yeah yeah mid rotation arm still at that point so yeah yeah all right 2000 now you can go back to having some fun yeah so we are going to be uh looking at the turn of the century in just a moment but real quick a reminder of this episode of locked on mariners is brought to you by fan tracks it's already been an interesting off season and it won't be long before pitchers and catchers report. I'm going to give you the inside track

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1999 version. Now I got to decide what I want to do here. And honestly, I think I actually know what I want to do. I am going to be taking 2000 John Allerud. Ooh. I like that. Sacrificing a little bit of power.

But, I mean, what a hitter. Yeah. And defender. Yeah, absolutely. John Allerud. Sick. super underrated by mirrorers fans. Looking back on those teams.

Honestly, the dude deserved more Hall of Fame. The guy deserved more Hall of Fame love, if we're being honest. Like, he was really good. Yeah, he was, he was fantastic. He was a lot of fun to watch. He had a 58.2 career B-war.

Like, I really don't think people understand how good John Olerut was. 295, 395, 465 career slash, like. We're from New York. he uh in his first year with the mariners that's this year that we're talking about 285 392 439 he had 45 doubles yeah 103 runs batted in that's he was even better in 2001 to 2002 like john or rude was just insane uh very underrated player um all right so i already said my 2000 pick was going to be a rod this is last year i can take him so i'm going to do that it also happens to be his best year um So you are taking Olerud.

And I'm taking A-Rod. Now, O-1, again, this gets fun because I feel like the easy answer here is Eichero, like MEPP, rookie of the year. But, I mean, you look at the other guys who, I mean, just like, everybody, Brett Boone. They're all really good. I mean, yeah, Brett Boone, John Olerud, Edgar was fantastic, although I've already taken it. Mike Cameron. was really, really good. The center field defense, obviously you have Jamie Moyer and Freddie Garcia,

Mark McLemore is a utility guy. Low-key, decent idea. Aaron Seeley had a really, you know, solid year. Yeah. Definitely not Paul out. I could take Kazu or Arthur Rhodes or Jeff Nelson. Or you could take your boy Al Martin. Or I could not.

So this is where this is going to be a bit of, a risk because Ty I'm going to allow you to have each euro. Wow. Yes, because I'm going to take Brett Boone, 2001 Brett Boone. Darn it. Who was, is that who you wanted? That's who I was going to take. I'm taking Brett Boone to lock down second base.

And now I have A-Rod at shortstop and Brett Boone at second. I, yeah. So you can have each, I'm assuming you're taking each year, right? well I guess I have to settle for each row one of the best seasons we've ever seen you're settling for each row as your right fielder so oh one there were a lot like man oh one was yeah that team man stacked beyond believe that team that thing was all right they really needed a left builder and a number one starter and they can you imagine if they had gotten Juan Gonzalez and if they had traded for like it was oh

I don't even know who the best starting pitcher was available at that trade deadline. But if they had acquired those two, they would have been the best team of all time. They needed those two pieces and ownership just would not allow them to go get them. That's a real show.

Anyways, 2002. All right, 2002. Not as great of a year. Just when looking at these. Sure. I mean, still a really good year. I mean, they won 90 plus games, but, um,

hmm, there's a couple options here that I'm, I'm pretty intrigued by. Joel Panero. Um, and then I could go bullpen here. Yeah. So a really good bullpen.

Yeah. Because I've already taken all of route. I've already taken, uh, each row. Um, Cammy didn't have a great year this year. Um,

um, maybe Mark McLemore is a sneaky pick here. Could be. I think I want to wait until 03 on Boone because Boone, didn't Boone have a really good 03? Yes. Yeah, he did.

Yeah. So I think I'm going to go Just say Jeff Serlo Joe on. Gross. I'm going to go Joel Pinniero. Really? I mean, I know he was really good.

Don't get you wrong, but. Joe Pinero over Freddie Garcia. Like I know Garcia didn't have a great year that year, but okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to add to the back of my rotation. Sure. I'm trying to work from the back up because, yeah, I feel like there aren't.

Like, yeah. You know you're going to get Felix. Kuma, you know. Yeah. Yeah, there's going to be a bunch of guys, yeah, later down the line. So. Yeah, maybe even Logan Gilbert. for Marco Gonzalez

2020. Like, yeah. All right. So back to backs, which is fun,

but like you said, this year, not exactly, like I could take Ichiro, who was very good. Don't get me wrong. But

definitely a step back from where he was as a rookie. I say as he hit 321 with a 388 on base. So again, maybe surprise some people here, but I'm going to take for 2020, sorry, 202, I'm going to take Kazahiro Sasaki. Nice.

Like it. To kind of anchor my bullpen here. And then in 2003, you know, it feels weird to leave Icho on the table and take Sasaki over him. But, I mean, I think you guys can probably see where I'm going to land my Ichero. I'm going to go ahead and in 2003 has some interesting. John Ulru, like I missed the Uluruud Prime. So I have to look elsewhere for my first basement.

I already have Brett Boone. I think Mark McLemore had a down year. I could take Jamie Moyer, who was great, 121 games, 215 innings, 327 R.A, 4.1-5. I could do that. I could take Arthur Rhodes. I could take Shigatosea Asagawa and really anchor the back into my bullpen. But instead what I'm going to do is I'm going to piss off tie,

and I'm going to take Mike Cameron Nice For 2020 I keep doing that 2003 so Ty he is off the board So

Who you're taking All right My outfit is complete by the way Yeah I am going to be taken Brett Boone in 2003 Yep And as for 2004

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Enjoy the color and comfort of a life less ordinary with stance. So we are going to try to get in as many picks as we can within the next 10 or so minutes and continue this thing tomorrow. So 2004, who am I picking? That is the question of the day. And, man, there is, I mean, not a... Well, sneaky, sneaky good pick, Rauli Banya's. Well, that's really good.

Yeah. Yeah, that's who I'm probably going with, to be quite honest with you. Yeah, I'm going to go Raoul, Raoul. Raoulie Bonyas. That is great. I'm going to go with the guy who set the all-time single-season hits record. Each year-o. Oh, Rithaeralia?

good one which by the way now gives me an outfield of Jay Booner Ken Griffey Jr. Mike Cameron and Ichero

so yeah I'm feeling good about that now we kind of start getting to the well I mean 2004 was was the beginning

of the dark ages but 2005 yeah we're really in the dark ages now yeah this so this is interesting Randy win

I really Now the Now the fun portion of the draft is over Now we get to be sad for Probably the rest of this episode And next episode We get to be very sad

So So this one is tough And it's going to be I don't know This will be a surprise to anybody But it's Because neither of us can take Each Euro

Right Like he's done You can take another version of Ichero. I could take a Moyer, but he wasn't fantastic. He was okay. I kind of want to take Randy Wynn because I love Randy Wynn, and I feel like he's very underrated.

But at the end of the day, I need to start filling out my infield, and Richie Sexton had an incredible 2005 season. So I'm going to take Richie Sexton to be my first baseman. Nice. All right. Um,

2005. Ugh. You can take young Felix, but you, you probably want to save it for when he's good Felix. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I'm going to be doing that. Uh, wow, I can draft Eddie Gordado. Actually,

you could. I think I'm going to. Right. I think I'm going to draft Eddie. Yeah. I think I'm going to, I'm going to draft Eddie Cordato. I think that's the right.

I think that's the right call. It's really a bummer that Belker. that Beltray was so, like, bad for the Mariners. Because, I mean, who doesn't love Adrian Beltray? And he wasn't even, he wasn't like terrible. But like, I get a 3.2 B war in 2005. But it's also kind of a bummer. Neither of us took Randy Wynn.

But, you know, them's the breaks. Randy Wend was six. Yeah, Randy Wynne was six. So good. He was so good. All right. So 2006. Hmm.

Uh, all right. So I could go, go Ritchie here. Good. Ooh, Kenji Jojava. Ooh, with how bad catcher is, that's, yeah. Yeah. Catcher gets pretty bleak pretty fast, so that's not a bad one. Maybe the play.

JJ Putz was really good here too. Oh, yeah, he was. You don't want Jared Washburn? Jared Washburn, the fun note on Jared Washburn, he started the last Mariners game I ever went to at Safeco Field. Interesting. Use the word fun. Yeah. Well, I mean that

sarcastically. Because it's not very fun for me. All right. So Richie, Kenji, or JJ. Ooh. Hold on. I'm going to cheat a little bit and go on to 2007 here real quick and see. See who you're going to double up on? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to go JJ Putz here. Interesting. Okay, starting to build that back in. Yeah. Well, I get. I get back back here. Unless you're taking somebody I've already taken. All right.

No, no, no. I got confused about the order. That was my bad. Yeah. It's a good thing we're writing this down. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. So this time I'm going to take the really the best year Adrian Belchray had and stick him at third base.

In 2006, he hit 268, 328, 465, 39 doubles, 25 homers. Still a shell of what he would become, but he was a five-win player that year. And obviously the defense is great. This now gives me a starting infield of Adrian Beltrae, Alex Rodriguez, Brett Boone, and Richie Sexton. So my offense is basically done, minus a few bench pieces. So it's going to be pretty pitching heavy for me, which is actually going to help tie because now you can load up on quite a few bats if he wants. So it's all part of the strategy coming, you know, for those vaunted 2009, 2010, 2011 Seattle Mariners' offenses. Just saying.

All right. so now we're on to 2007 and yikes particularly when you you're low on pitching in 2007 but I'm going to go ahead that's what I'm going to do I'm going to go ahead I'm going to take JJ puts 1380 RA 267 FIP like

and the rest of this team especially pitching pitching wise this is really bad and I I have to start adding some pitching. So Ty, you're up, 2007. All right. So these should probably be our, oh, yeah. I love Jose again.

Yeah. These should probably be our last couple picks here. All right. So I'm going to go, ooh, I'm going to go Kenji. I'm going to go Kenji. That's a good call. Yeah. all right so kindu jojima 2007 let's go to 2008 here and see what i want to do with this

this was the uh the john mcclaren jim wriggleman year yikes um man there is not a lot to pick from this was the year that josea lopez went to all sorry i'm right yeah and ryan roland smith was the sixth best mariner according to B. War. You could take legend Eric Bedard. Willie Blumquist. So I'm going to give you some free advice

here, Ty. Take Beltray. I should probably do that, right? I should probably do that. I mean, you could also take Abagnas. He was very good. I took Abanias already in 2004. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah. I don't see anything else. That's getting me excited here. So I'm going to go Adrian Beltray 2008. So it's interesting. We basically have the same infield, except for you have Olerud and I have Sexton, but we both have Beltray at third, A rod at short, Boone at second, just different years.

All right, so probably the last pick for today, right? Just to wrap it up on a nice even. And we can do the 2009 starting tomorrow. So we got about halfway, right? Yeah, a little bit halfway. Yeah. Yeah. So again, I kind of need pitching.

Kinji Jojima was terrible this year. Jose Lopez benchback for me at this point. Rauli Banya's the same thing. I already have four really good outfielder, and a DH, so that doesn't really make a lot of sense. Felix was starting to hit his stride, but I would like to save Felix for later, later down the road.

So this actually puts me in a pretty tough situation here. So, yeah, things are starting to, do I take Jose Lopez? as kind of my like like my utility infielder like I feel like one of us should have taken Mark McLemore

we really should have but I mean like who we get McElmore played for the Mariners from 2000 to 2003 like we're going to take Mark McAmore over any of those guys I mean I just I don't see it I mean

what did he do in 2002 maybe I should have taken him over Paniero that one that was a surprise pick for me but I get what you're doing you're trying to build from the back because you know you're going to get the top of the guys here pretty quick. Yeah.

So this is, I don't know. I'm tired of saying this is going to be surprise people because if you guys are looking at the rosters like we are with the rules we're playing with, you might understand why I would do this, but I'm going to take Brandon Morrow as a reliever. Ooh, damn. Yes.

I just, I can't. have Jose Lopez on my team. I'm sorry I can't do it. And I'm not taking this version of Felix quite yet. I'm not taking Ryan Rowland Smith. I mean, I would consider Baderd, but he's been better another year. So Morrow is just kind of the, the dude. And like probably should take Yvanya's, but again, I already have four outfielders, really good ones, and a DH. So it's just not, I'm going to take Morrow and, you know, kind of start a bullpen of Sasaki puts in Morrow. That's, that's not bad. Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. So that is going to do it for our show today.

But thank you so much for joining us here on lockdown Mariners. Maybe you were keeping score at home, we hope. But we will recap on tomorrow's episode and finish off our draft. And then we will post each roster on our Twitter and you can vote which one is your favorite or which one you think would win. Head to head. So for Colby Patnode, I'm Tidane Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L. underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dane Gonzalez, the C-A-N-Z-L-Z, and Colby at C-P-P-E-T-L-Z, and Colby at C-P-A-T-1. You can also find all that stuff in the description of this episode. And thank you again for making us your first listen of the day, just like you do here every day. Be sure to check back tomorrow as we wrap up our 1996 to 2021, all Mariners draft. Now make your second list of the day, Locked-on Betts, your daily one-stop shop for all your gambling needs. Locked-on bets hosted by

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