Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Curious Case of C.J. Abrams + Other Seattle Mariners TRADE TARGETS in the NL East

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode spotlight the Seattle Mariners' potential trade fits from the Mets, Phillies, Braves, Marlins, and Nationals, breaking down club strategies and player trade values.��The duo analyzes left-handed bullpen options such as Jose Alvarado and Matt Strahm, starting pitcher scenarios involving Edward Cabrera and Kodai Senga, and intriguing position player targets like C.J. Abrams and Alec Bohm. Check out our Patreon!Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @TyDaneGonzalez | @CPat11Follow the show on Bluesky: @lockedonmariners | @tdg | @mlbcolbySupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!PrizePicksDownload the PrizePicks app today and use code LOCKEDONMLB to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup.PrizePicks — Run Your Game.Click Link Here: https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/LOCKEDONMLBGametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelToday's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. The NBA and NFL seasons are here, visit the FanDuel App today and start planning your futures bets now.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today we're going to tell you which players on the Mets, Phillies, Braves, Nationals, and Marlins, the Marlins can potentially target this winter. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team, every day. Ahoy, Sailors, and it's Thursday, November 20th, 2025. You're listening to the Lock-On Marries podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast.

network now the number one sports podcast network my name is tiding azales and i'm joined as always by my co-host colby patnode we're two lifelong mayors fans who've been covering the team for over half a decade and today we're going to wrap up our divisional trade preview series with a look at the nl east that means we're going to identify the best trade fits for the merrars on the mets phillies braves marlins and nationals but before we do i want to shout out our title sponsor today fan duel right now new customers can bet just five dollars and if you bet wins you'll get three hundred dollars and bonus bets to use across the app download the fan dual app today so colby i want to start here with the atlanta braves uh because they are weird they're in a weird spot right now uh they had a ton of bad injury luck uh this past season

and that ultimately derailed things and uh they greatly underachieved relative to expectations uh and they've already been busy this winter uh and adding uh they have brought back Rizel Eglacius on a $16 million contract for one year as of last night, which Rizzolysses is a good reliever, $16 million, though. I don't know about that, but Godspeed. And then they also traded for Mauricio Du Bonn last night. So a couple moves yesterday made by this team that we're talking about. So it seems like they are retooling to gear up for a world.

series run in 26 like they were trying to do in 2025 so I'm not really sure how many fits there are if any for the Marys here if there's actually the potential for a trade

for a major leagueer off of this roster for the Marys if I had to guess it would have to come out of the bullpen right? Yeah I mean almost certainly the Braves are a team that kind of thinks that they're They were unlucky last year.

And, I mean, they're not wrong. They had so many injuries in their rotation. Yeah. And then a Cooney kept getting hurt. Right. It's fair to say that, sure. But it's also a team that's, you know, got a lot of core players that are on the wrong side of 30. You know, it's the Chris Sales. It's Matt Olson.

It's Sean Murphy. So I think they're going to try and compete this year, which makes them kind of a difficult fit for the Mariners. Albies is a guy I would still ask about. He's got, you know, a club option that got picked up this year, and he's got one more club option. For next year, it's a very low risk for the Mariners because of Albies isn't the guy. They could just not pick up that option. You know, now is that something the Braves want to do? Do they have a second basement?

I know they like, is it Nacho Alvarez? Yeah. I know they like him quite a bit. They just traded for Dubon, who's probably going to be their shortstop or second basement. So they might be willing to move Albies. that might be interesting. You know, I don't see a way this works, but I guess jerks and pro far technically is a guy who might be of interest, but yeah, I think it's like Grant Holmes and Aaron Bummer

are kind of the two guys that I saw that makes quite a bit of sense. Holmes, you get a lot of club control with, so he'll be pricey. Bummer is just a one-year deal. He's A.A.B. 6 and a half million. I don't know if that was backloaded or not. but that's within the realm of affordable he gets a ton of ground balls he's the second left of you one out of the bullpen not really a swing and miss guy although he can't get some with he's not you know a six k per nine guy but um yeah he's actually making nine and a half this year yeah so

that would be a little bit pricey on the higher end so um yeah but those bummer and grant holmes are kind of the two guys but again the braves are trying to compete this year they're trying to win the division this year, and I don't think that's necessarily foolish of them, they're going to be difficult to trade with, just because they're going to want major league help, but they're trading major league talent away. And, you know, where do the Mariners have depth on their major league roster right now? They kind of don't, to be honest. So, yeah, I don't see the Braves particularly good fit, but there are some semi-interesting

players if, you know, the stars align and these two sides actually have some common ground that they can find. switching gears to the Philadelphia Phillies are also in a pretty similar spot another disappointing run in the postseason for a team that I thought heading into the postseason was the best team on the national league side of things that wound up not being the case but they apparently are actually listening on some of their guys on their major league roster right now they've been fielding calls reportedly on Matt Strom Jose Alvarado and Tanner Banks all three of their lefties and their bullpen. And again, you know, the Mariners are looking for bullpen help. They're looking for specifically left-handed bullpen help. So maybe there's something there,

but same thing that you just brought up with the Braves, are they looking for major league talent back? And obviously, Dave Dombrowski has not been very realistic about some of his masks on some of his players as of late. As we know, typically with Alec Bohm last year and what he was asking for him. He asked the A's for Mesa Males, Miller, apparently, for Alec Baum.

Yes, the mayor is apparently for Logan Gilbert for Alec Baum. So, like, how, how realistic is he going to be trying to negotiate a Matt Strom or Jose Alvarado or a Tanner Bank Steel? That's kind of my big question here. But all three of those guys, I have varying levels of interest on for the merits. Yeah, I mean, Strom is very quietly, you know, one of the best relievers in baseball. He's very consistent over the last three years, and you only get him for a year. But, you know, how valuable is that to have a second lefty who's not only like a second

lefty? He is as good as Gabe Spire was last year, and he's been that way for the last three years. Like, he's a very valuable piece. One thing that does make the Phillies kind of interesting is they have no future a catcher. You know, Rafael Marchand is just not that guy. He's out of options. that's he used to be a guy they traded uh is it tight tate yeah yeah um in the duran trade uh so harry ford could be in play here do you want to go up harry ford for one year of even a very very good

to elite reliever maybe maybe not so i i do think that could be in play here um kirkering is is another guy that uh i really like and i his season ended terribly unfortunately And you wonder maybe that's a guy who just needs to get out. Not that he's been bad in Philly, but like, you know, something like that happens, it's really hard to recover. And so maybe that's a guy that they would be looking to move. And he's certainly got a lot of tools that the Mariners really like. Alvarado, again, got popped for the PEDs last year,

wasn't able to help the Phillies in the playoffs. But he's been very good, power sinker from the left side. So he makes a lot of sense. And then, yeah, you know, Alec Bohm is a guy who still makes sense. I know that MLB trade rumors said that he was a non-tender candidate. So you might not even have to trade him or trade for him. And that happens tomorrow, by the way. The deadline for that is tomorrow.

So we'll know if he's going to be a free agent or not. But, you know, Bome is one of those guys. He's an overrated player. Certainly he was last year by the Phillies, which is why he was on their roster all year. But that is a guy the Mariners have had interest in the past. and we know that the Mariners do like to circle back. So I think you have to be open to the possibility that bone could be, you know, a target here for the Mariners.

It's just the cost has to be reasonable. And what is one year of a two, two and a half win third baseman worth when you have Colt Emerson, when you have, you know, Ben Williamson already on your roster? It's probably not worth a ton, but it is worth something semi-interesting. So, yeah, I mean, again, Dombrovsky is the big X factor here. Who the hell knows what goes through that guy's head? But the Phillies do have some arms, particularly the left-handed relievers, that the Mariners have been very vocal, that they would like to acquire one.

So, yeah, Philly's a team to watch. But, again, like, would you trade Harry Ford for one year of Strom? I don't know. Would you trade it for three years of banks? You might. So it's kind of one of those things where there is a potential. match here but like if strong had two years left i think i'd trade harry forward for him but as things sit right now i don't know if i would or not so it's it's kind of that weird dynamic but

it really does make some sense it's just how reasonable are they going to be and based on last winter the answer to that question is not at all all right well look at more of these uh al east teams in just a moment but first reminder this episode of the lockdown airs podcast is brought to you by Fanduel. The NBA is back and there's no better place to get in on the action than Fanduel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Even if you miss the start of the game or want to ride the hot hand, Fanduel has live bets on everything from who will score next to fourth quarter

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And also thank you for making lockdown the number one sports podcast network. on tomorrow's show. We're going to be visiting with Ryan Dibbush of the Seattle Times to talk to all things Mariners off season, so look forward to that. But now let's get back into our NL East Trade Preview. This is our last Divisional Trade Preview of the

winner. Just talked about the Phillies and the Braves. Maybe some bullpen help there with those two clubs, but not a whole lot to talk about really. Let's talk about one of the worst teams, though, in this division that could be open to trading some pieces off of its major league roster though at times they were the one of the

hottest teams in baseball this year so maybe they're on the upswing that's the uh the miami marlins colby uh and they've they've added uh some some young talent that's really helped them out here like jacob marcy obviously kowell stowers had a breakout year last year uh but there's a couple of guys on this roster that that i really like and and it does seem like they uh they're probably going to look to to trade some starting pitching this winter maybe uh sandy Alcantara as one of those guys stands out. But, yeah, when you look at this Marlins roster, who stands out to you specifically for the Mariners?

Well, if the Mariners trade Luis Castillo, Alcantara is at the top of my list. You know, you get them for one year guaranteed, and then there is a club option for a second year. So, you know, some real club control if you want it, but if he struggles like you did last year, You don't have to pay him. He's making very reasonable money.

And at times he's been, I mean, he won a sly young. Like he's been a legit ace, although he does it with a lot of ground balls, not so much strikeouts. Not that he doesn't strike out anybody. It's just, you know, heavy sinker and whatnot. So Alcantara would be like, number one, I've liked him for a long time. And if he's available, I am interested. Also out of that rotation, Edward Cabrera is a guy who has been talked about a lot. Over the summer he was talked about, and he's been talked about again,

it does feel like they're probably going to trade him this winter, which is interesting because you get him for three years, and he just kind of had a breakout year this year. So, you know, it might be selling a little low, but low three based on ball per nine, high nine strikeouts per nine. He was a two-win pitcher. He's 27 years old. You get him for three years.

There's a lot to like there, but he will be pricey. You know, bullpen-wise, there's, There's quite a few guys in this pen that makes them sense. Calvin Foschet, Estai, Rolls his eyes. Ronnie Henriquez had a huge year. I don't know that they would trade him after that breakout year, but maybe they think this is the best you're going to get out of him. And so they flip him.

He's got five years of club control left. He was a one-and-a-half-win pitcher out of the bullpen this year. So that would be an expensive but interesting option. They could go after. Anthony Bender is a guy we've talked about a lot. funny enough he has all three options left so there's actually some versatility there even though he's you know 31 and he's been in the league now for four years but he's a solid middle you know middle inning guy could take some pressure off of the bullpen a little bit so yeah

from the pitching side there's quite a bit I know I know I've left somebody out but I figured you were going to talk about him in a second and then like from the offensive side of things Xavier Edwards is kind of interesting. Otto Lopez is kind of interesting. And Connor Norby is maybe a dark horse that could be in play here. So, yeah, the Marlins actually have quite a bit that makes sense for Seattle. And it's just kind of hard to nail down which direction they're going to go this office. I think they're going to add, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they won't trade some of these guys.

And also I'll throw as kind of a maybe, although it's not the cleanest fit in the world right now, but Dane Myers is an interesting fourth outfield type as well. Yeah. Yeah. I love Otto Lopez. Great up the middle glove. Actually, reverse splits guy. He hits righties way better than he hits lefties.

I'm a big Otto Lopez fan. And I think he's someone that could take another step as well here in 2026. but I think the Marlins are probably going to hang on to him Andrew Nardi there was a report from I forget what their beat writer like their main beat writer's name but he's like their

Ryan Devish basically he's reported No no no Yeah I guess he's like the Ryan Divish of them I guess this guy is like their MLB.com reporter So I guess he's like their Daniel Kramer Rather that's like a better He reported a couple weeks ago that Andrew

Nardi is going to get non-tendered. Nardi obviously missed all this past year. So really, I've liked Nardi for a couple of years. I don't know where he is health-wise right now. But we obviously had him in our off-season plan as like someone we would give a Meyer-League deal to you. I would also be open to giving him a major league deal, frankly.

I really like Andrew Nardi, just, you know, so long as everything checks out. But yeah, the guy that you left out, I assume that you left out for me to talk about is Max Meyer. Meyer obviously like started the year last year as like an early like Sy Young favorite and then he got hurt again and you know over all the yeah the numbers declined and all that

and right now kind of seems like he's on the outside looking at this rotation now again they could trade Alcatara they could trade Edward Cabrera they could trade you know another one of these guys out of nowhere but they also have quite a bit of starting pitching depth as well that's like you know

either close to making their debut or already have and uh mire potentially could start the year uh in in the minor leaks and if so like yeah i'm kicking the tires on that and i think he could be a legitimate weapon out of the bullpen especially if you just get him throwing sliders and changeups you know and obviously he's got to throw the fastball a little bit to set up the change up but overall like i'm just spamming sliders with him and obviously that pitch generated a 42 and a half percent whiff rate this year. Like, it's nasty. It's a nasty, nasty offering.

So, yeah, I would love to see what Max Meyer looks like out of the bullpen in general. Like, honestly, like, if he stays in Miami or he gets traded elsewhere, I want to see Max Meyer out of the bullpen. I want to see what that looks like. Yeah. By the way, pretty darn good control and command, too. It's not just a stuff guy. There's legitimate, you know, 50, 55 control and command.

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So let's talk about the New York Mets, another team that's just in kind of a weird spot right now. You know, we talked about this a little bit yesterday when we were talking about the Reds for our Enno Central trade preview. The Mets had an all-time collapse to follow the playoffs and for the Reds to sneak into the postseason. And now, you know, Pete Alonzo is a free agent. Again, we'll see if they tried to bring him back once more like they did last year.

But offensively right now, I mean, it's Lindor, it's Nemo, it's Soto. And then after that, like Mark Viantos, got his stuff together a little bit in the second half after a disappointing start to the year. Brett Beatty finally had that breakout. A lot of people have been waiting for 11 WRC Plus for him, 2.3F4 season. Francisco Alvarez, Jeff McNeil,

but then it starts to thin out pretty quick on the offensive side of things. And I'm not sure how many of these offensive players are going to be willing to part of ways with. There has been reports about Brandon Nemo. which maybe you have some thoughts on him that we'll go over here in a second but yeah I mean

you know just looking through this major league roster right now as it currently stands for the Mets I mean there just isn't a ton that really stands out to me I mean not a ton in the bullpen really there's some starters in case you trade Luis Castillo I mean this honestly might be a Luis Castillo destination

we'll see how you know the offseason plays out maybe that's really the path here to any sort of significant deal being done between these two clubs i don't know anything else stand out to you um you know uh there's some murmuring that the uh the meds are kind of looking to move some of these contracts uh and and whatnot uh not necessarily to save money but to kind of reallocate it so uh nimmo would be interesting it just you know the he's got what five years left on his deal and he's 33 years old i i don't yeah they're just they're not going to do it

No. Not for a corner outfielder. So, yeah, that would be semi-interesting, if not for that. One name that is kind of interesting because, well, for a couple of reasons. A, the Mariners always circle back, and we know that the Mariners' interest in Jeff McNeil has been around for quite a bit. Now, are they still interested in them? I don't know. The last three years, he's mostly been about a league average hitter. This last year in 2025, he was actually a one-on-old.

11 WRC plus he's you know probably a pretty safe bet to be a two-win player he's an okay defender uh that is trending down though but again you only have him for a year but he does have a club option as well so you could have him for up to two years if you really want to uh he's a solid player he's played second this last year he played 79 games at second 34 in center 10 in left 10 at DH, seven and right in two games at first. So he's played all over the ballpark still. He's still good enough athlete to do that. He makes a ton of contact.

Honestly, if you want Brendan Donovan, but you don't want to pay Brendan Donovan prices, Jeff McNeil might be the pivot there. So that's the guy to keep an eye on. But the guy who jumped out the most at me as somebody that I would really like to see the Mariners get their hands on is. Louis Turenz, the backup catcher. Yes, that Louis Turenz, who is, by the way, guys, this might shock you,

an elite defensive catcher. Yeah. Better than Cal Raleigh behind the plate. Obviously, better than him at the plate. But also, again, he kind of provides that same element that Garber does, hits lefties very well. Trenz actually puts the ball and play, you know, a fair amount.

And, you know, he makes hard contact. like he's not a nothing at the plate you only get him for a year he's going to make five six million bucks which might be a little much for the mariners on a backup catcher contract but if they trade harry forward maybe turenz gets or gets non-tendered here in the next 24 hours or so but i would be interested in terns as my backup catcher if that need arises but in all seriousness the one name that really jumped out here and has been getting some major push over the last couple days um is uh is code i singa who is apparently available he really struggled at the end of the year so much so they put him down in triple yeah and look this is a met's team that had a lot of starting pitcher uh injuries and just issues over the course of the year they're going to be looking to add uh some starting pitching so if they're looking to trade a guy that kind of sends up red flags to me yeah i mean he missed all he pretty much all of 2024 as well and he just didn't rebound in 2025 the way that they were hoping but this guy has some of the nastiest stuff when he's healthy this guy yeah now here's a guy

but the ghost fork is one of the filthiest pitches i've ever seen yeah it's it's ridiculous right now he's 32 years old so you know he's on the older side relative to the rest of the mariners rotation and you have them for two guaranteed years and there is a club option. So there's risk here. There's no question about it. He hasn't been the same since 2023, but the stuff is insane. Yeah, he probably walks a little bit too many guys for the mayor to be super interested. And if the strikeout rate doesn't rebound to, you know, the mid-10s, then the walks are going to be

prohibitive, I would think, but this guy could be a three and a half four-win pitcher. He could be a legit number two. You obviously, you know, you need more information on the, on how the injury is going that I don't have. But, yeah, Kodi-Singa is fascinating to me because I think if the Mariners acquired him, he would have the best stuff in the current rotation, just best raw stuff in the current rotation and he could be a guy who is just like, you know, he's the number one. He's the ace that I'm going to go and I'm going to pair against, you know, Terrick Scoobel and feel really good about my odds.

So again, it's going to come down to what does he cost and trade. How does the medicals look? But this is a guy even if I had Luis Castillo still on my roster. I might trade for this guy and then go out and shop like a Bryce Miller or, or, you know, maybe I start shopping George Kirby. I really like Senga, but that, again, that's all pending the medicals. I can't take a risk on a guy that I am not convinced will be healthy in 2026. I just can't do it.

But he's definitely a name to watch. Yeah. All right. So lastly, the final team to talk about here on our divisional trade preview series, the Washington Nationals. We made a trade with them in our offseason plan for McKenzie Gore. So you know how we feel about McKinsey Gore. but there's some some other pieces on here that i'm interested in i want to start with

c j abrams and get your thoughts on him yeah um three-win player yeah so despite being an awful defender yeah terrible he is the worst short like he makes j p crawford look like well young jp crawford so um yeah here you're trying to acquire him to play second or third if you're going after him. No question about that. You get him for three years. So, yeah, he's young. He's in his prime still.

So there's a lot to like here. There's also some, well, I don't know if it's fair to say there's maturity issues here because there was the thing at the end of 2024, as far as we know. Yeah, the casino thing. There were no incidents in 2025. So that probably, isn't a fair thing, but maybe it is. It's something teams are going to consider.

C.J. Abrams get ready to learn snow qualmy. Right. He doesn't get on base a ton. It's not a bad on base. It's just 315, 310, which is a little bit below average, or it might be right on average. There's pop, but it's not insane power. Like, he's probably going to hit 15 to 20 homers. He's probably going to steal 30 bags.

he's going to be about a league average on base guy the average the batting average he'll have to hit for some average to maintain the on base he doesn't walk a ton so he's an interesting player just there there are some some potential landmines that you have to avoid here and you have to feel comfortable with them if you're going to trade for him because he's probably also going to cost quite a bit but he's a good player and i think he would be an excellent second baseman um so yeah i i think it's one of those things where uh you like the player you're a little bit iffy about what the cost is going to be because i think the i think that the nationals are probably going to look at this and be like oh well we want the moon like we want uh insane amount and it's like for three years of a three one player like again i think you're looking at that randy rose arena uh type of package uh for for this because it's three playoff races with the player that's So a little bit more than Randy, I think they're going to be looking for like, I mean, they're not going to be looking for Juan Soto necessarily, but like, no, but they're going to try and trade him as an up the middle three-win player. Right, which is incredibly expensive with three years of club control left, who's still in his prime, can steal a ton of bags for, I mean, he's not, technically he hasn't even hit his prime yet.

He just turned 25 about six weeks ago. So, yeah, I'm interested. I just, I think ultimately the cost would get to a point where I, if I were the Marinus GM, would be like, no, I'm out. My issue with CJ is like the numbers are obviously there. Like he has produced and he has been able to consistently produce now for a couple of years. But also there isn't like one particular thing that he does well at the plate. Like he doesn't really hit the ball that hard. that often he doesn't really work counts he doesn't work walks i mean he strikes out under 20

percent so that's nice but like i don't know like you look at a savant page like it's all just kind of like in the middle like a lot of light blue there's no there's no red there's no even like pink on here um and there hasn't been really throughout his career like it's i don't know i just like If I'm going to pay the kind of price that I think the nationals would want, I just don't know if Abrams is the guy that warrants that kind of cost. Right. It's a risky profile for Seattle as well, particularly at Team Mobile Park. So because he doesn't hit the ball extremely hard.

He doesn't lift the ball extremely well. So it just also chases a lot, even though he doesn't strike out a ton of he chases a lot. But he doesn't draw walks. Again, he's a 107 WRC plus. He's not a 115-120. I think you'd probably have to hope that if you get him off a shortstop and you put him at like second, for example, that he might take some of the pressure off of him

and he might have another gear offensively. And he's only 25 years old. I want to stress that. But it's not a guarantee. And there's a chance that you give up a King's Ransom for a guy who's going to be a fringe league. average bat who can't really play defense anywhere. So you really have to be careful here.

Honestly, Abrams is a guy who I think there's a shot. A team might acquire him this winter and be like, we're playing him in center. Like we're going to push him out there like D. Gordon a few years ago. So, yeah, Abrams is a polarizing player. I think ultimately he's too risky for me based on what I assume it's going to cost. But there's certainly a cost point where I'm like, yeah, I'll take that shot. Yeah, I'm definitely interested. I just, I don't really know how good he is.

And I don't know how that's going to line up with how the national specifically value him. So, yeah. All right. What about Jose Ferreira? No. How about James Wood? He strikes out a lot, so maybe, maybe the national leader. Yeah.

Yeah. Ferrer is kind of one of those guys who like, you know, fan graphs loves. Like the one is the win and a half pitcher. And I look at the profile and I kind of look at the numbers and I'm like, yeah, he's good. Yeah. I don't know that he's great. You know, he's had a home run problem this year, not a bad one, but a little bit. A lot of ground balls. But he also, yeah, like.

He's just a soup. He's a souped up version of Caleb Ferguson to me. That's what he is. He is. Right. And I don't want to pay the price for four years of that. He doesn't miss a ton of bats. He doesn't walk guys.

He doesn't miss a ton of bats. But this is a number that's been pretty consistent with him. His left on base percentage, which is kind of a huge deal for relievers is bad. Yeah. Like this last year, 64.9% left on base. It's a third of the time he was allowing inherited runners. to score now to be fair nationals infield defense is garbage abrams is obviously a big part of that and if you have a ground ball heavy pitcher with guys that don't have great range that's probably

not a good mix you look at just look at the numbers they'll tell you right here era was 448 his phip was 303 yeah so yeah i'm interested in the guy but like i don't think he's a high leverage guy um if only i had a specific term i like to use for what I'm looking for in the out of the bullpen. I'm not allowed to say it on the show, I guess, but I mean, you can, you can. Okay, yeah, fine. I don't think

Ferreira, or sorry, is it Ferreira? Ferreir. Yeah, Ferreir. I don't think he's a daddy out of the bullpen, and I want a daddy. So, I think he's a very good pitcher. I think he actually would be better in Seattle

than he was in Washington. Although, let's be honest, Seattle's infield defense as it sits right now. I mean, it's not exactly great. Yeah. Yeah, it's not particularly stellar. No. But yeah, like, I don't want to pay for a guy who's like

a one and a half win reliever. I'm not paying that price for this guy. Right. So I don't think I'll end up getting him. But yeah, he's interesting. He'd be a really good second lefty, but is he better than Gabe Spire? No. No, no. He's not. No, no. So, yeah, interested. But again, like I said with Abrams. Am I willing to pay the price?

I think the nationals are going to ask for that guy? No. Plus, he's like the only good reliever in their bullpen right now. Yeah. Like everyone else either has like walk issues or they just suck in general. Yeah. So yeah. So they're probably going to try and value him fairly high.

Yeah. They should. Yeah. God, this roster sucks. Yeah. I mean, you could see. why they looked at and they're like i know we kind of said we originally wanted to compete in 2026 but we're not close so yeah it makes sense that they might trade abrams uh louis

garcia might get non-tendered uh which would be an interesting uh target for the mariners um you know i know that he didn't have a great year this last year but uh the year before in 2024 pretty good player. Pretty good player. Also, defense fell off a cliff, which is unusual, which makes me think maybe there was some kind of injury thing that was happening. But Luis Garcia could be a good stopgap, maybe third baseman or second baseman to kind of do both. So yeah, keep an eye on Luis Garcia, but I think obviously the name people would expect us to say, if they listen to our offseason plan episode, would be McKinsey Gore. Yes. Yep, McKenzie Gore, that's really the guy for me.

Again, it's, you know, based on if he trade Luis and Gore only projected to make $4.7 million in arbitration this year. He's going in one direction while, you know, Luis seems to be going in the opposite direction. So that was kind of the idea behind, you know, bringing him into the fold after trading Luis or at least being comfortable with trading Luis and having a, you know, and having Gore is kind of the fallback there. you know, I don't have any delusions of McKinsey Gore actually being the ace that, you know, I think a lot of people thought he was going to be when he was a prospect, when he was one of the best prospects in the game. But I do think there is some more room to grow there. And I do think some of his issues over the last couple of years might be due to just how bad the nationals have been, especially defensively. And again, like the Mariners aren't great defensively either.

But I think just getting him in T-Mobile Park in general would help him quite a lot. a bit with some things. And, and, yeah, I would just, I would just love to take the shot. And I would just love to have the different look and have that, you know, that lefty presence in the Marin's rotation as well. I think relative to what I assume is so I'm guessing, basically, uh, relative to what I assume the national ones are going to ask for all these guys, the player on this team I'm most interested in is actually Garcia.

I think he can be had pretty cheap. So, and by the way, one thing I will point out about the Nationals, as we talked about the other day, not hard to find out what player they have that, not hard to find out what player the Mariners have that the Nationals would love to get their hands on. It's really not hard to draw that line. And they are one of the teams this winter that will be looking, or will, in theory, at least, be willing to take pure prospect packages for their players

and not be looking to get major league pieces for major league pieces. And that makes them an enticing trade candidate. It just you wish that they had a little bit more, particularly in that bullpen to go get. But who knows? Maybe you get a maybe you get like an Abrams and for rare package. And it's like, oh, well, that that helps. So we'll see how it goes. But I do think the nationals and the Mariners do actually line up okay.

It's just the nationals don't have a lot of pieces that you'd have a ton of interest in. But keep an eye on the nationals this winter. All right. that's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown Marrars podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. For Colby Pat Node, I'm Taday Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Marrars. You can follow me at Taday and Gzalas and Colby at CPAT 11. That's CPAT 1. We're also on Blue Sky. You can follow me at TDG, Colby at MLB Colby in the show at Lockdown Mariner's.

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