Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Mariners and Bryan Reynolds: Will It Finally Happen?

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Trea Turner is off the board, and he's not a Seattle Mariner. But there's a reason mega-contracts are unlikely to be a part of the plan going forward. Bryan Reynolds set Twitter ablaze this weekend by requesting a trade, who's been long sought after by the Mariners. Can they still afford him and what would it cost? The guys discuss. Finally, the Mariners were awarded a Competitive Balance Round A selection in the 2023 draft, giving them three Top 30 picks. How can the Mariners take advantage of this gift? All of that and more on today's episode of Locked On Mariners!Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/SimpliSafeWith Fast Protect™️ Technology, exclusively from SimpliSafe, 24/7 monitoring agents capture evidence to accurately verify a threat for faster police response. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafe. Visit SimpliSafe.com/LockedOnMLB to learn more.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Pirates outfielder Brian Reynolds has requested a trade and the Mariners have wanted him in the past, but do they still have enough to get a deal done? We'll discuss that and how Seattle's 2023 draft hall just got even better here on the Locked-on Mariners podcast. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello, hello, hello.

It is Monday, December 5th, 2022. This is Tiding Gonzalez and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdowne Mariner's podcast. podcast. Thank you so much for making us your first listen. Subscribe, like and turn on alerts if you're watching on YouTube or subscribe and leave a five-star review on your preferred podcast platform if you like what you hear. And if you want to hear from us even more, please consider sending out for our Patreon on the link as well as our social accounts is in the description below. On the show today, we'll get into the Brian Reynolds discussion and also look at the pick the Mariners just added to their draft capital in 2023. But before we do that, we got a few things to cover here. Some big

news today coming out of the winter meetings and the winter meetings starting today means that we only have three days left in our multi-tiered baseball card giveaway so we have already hit our marks for the signed taylor tremel card the sign taylor dollar card and the sign cal raleigh rookie card we could still feasibly get to the jared kelnick sign card but you guys got to help us out a little bit here so we need three thousand twitter followers for that We already reached the 4,500 YouTube subscriber mark for the first part of that goal. But we're still about 117-ish Twitter followers away from our 3,000 follower goal. So you guys got three days to get us there and we'll give away our Kelnik card as well.

We will be announcing winners on Thursday's show and you have to be subscribed to our YouTube channel, Lockdown Mariners on YouTube.com. All you have to do is subscribe and we'll be picking winners out of our subscriber list. Colby, anything you would like to say to our dear listeners who are hoping to land that Kelnick card and maybe some of the other cards here? We tapped you guys out of everything. You got nothing left.

I'm keeping the Kelnick card and there's very little you can do about it. And I'm going to laugh the entire way because Jared Kelnick is still going to the Hall of Fame. So just think the only thing that prevented you from having a Hall of Famers autographed baseball card was that you didn't want to, you know, follow us on Twitter. I enjoy it. So, as I mentioned, some big news coming out of the winter meetings this morning. Both of the big pieces of news are pretty relevant to the Mariners, first of which, Joseph Rolander's out of the AOS and the American League entirely.

He signed a two-year $86 million contract with the New York Mets to join Max Scherzer up there and basically take Jacob de Grom's spot in that rotation. Secondly, Trey Turner is off the board. The first of the four big free agent short stops has finally signed. And it is a massive, massive contract with the Philadelphia Phillies. He ends up going to the East Coast. He ends up going to Philadelphia,

where he's been tied to for the last few weeks and rumors. He gets to reunite with his good buddy, Bryce Harper. So good for Trey and he got paid. He got that bag for sure. So congratulations to Trey Turner on that. But when you look at the A.A.V. It's not that bad. $27 million a year.

That's a bargain for Trey Turner. However, 11 years. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 years with a full no trade clause for a player whose primary tool is arguably his speed. that's surely going to diminish over the second half of that contract but in the

interim the Phillies get one of the better players in baseball one of the better middle infielers in all baseball they're going to be really good coming off of an NL pennant so I don't think they're really concerned about the second half of that contract at the end of the day but it is very clear to see why

some other teams including the Mariners backed out and especially the Mariners who ended up pivoting to Colton Wong because look, Trey Turner is not even one of the Boris guys here. Scott Boris represents Zander Bogart's Carlos Correa. Those guys still haven't

signed and now Trey Turner has set the market for them. This market is going to get completely unhinged, I think. And so I think at the end of the day now, you know, looking back at it now starting to get a little bit more of the full picture here. It

seems like the Mariners probably made the right choice to pivot to Wong and reassess their middle infield situation next off season. You feel the same, Colby? Yeah. I think, you know, Jerry would like to have a long-term solution put in place at second base, but you can't force it. You can't, you know, just, you know, try and punch the puzzle piece down so it fits the way

you want it to. It has to fit. It has to make sense for both a player and the team. And, you know, unfortunately, when you look at the shortstop market right now, It doesn't appear that any of those pieces are going to fit the way Seattle wants them to. And when you're kind of a mid-market team, which the Mariners are, you can't afford, well, you can afford. Let's be clear about this for a second. John Stanton can afford it, but Jerry DePoto cannot afford to just go out and sign players just for the sake of saying he signed them.

He has to be very strategic about what pieces he adds to the puzzle. And yeah, I mean, again, did Jerry want to go get stop gaps in left field or right field and second base? No, he probably wanted multi-year guys. But, you know, when the deal presents itself like it did and, you know, it's, it's, you think the players fit and you think it's the best you're going to do, then you pull the trigger on it. You just can't doing something is better than doing nothing, but doing something just to say you did something is stupid. It's how you get in trouble. So pretty obvious why the Mariners were not going to go 11 years on Trey Turner or anybody. I mean, the Mariners gave their 10 plus year contract, Julio Rodriguez,

and that's the only guy they're going to give one to. And I feel pretty confident that you can go ahead and write that in, you know, permanent marker. Jerry's not going to do these long-term, you know, seven, eight, nine-year deals. He's not. He's probably going to be looking at the four or five-year type of deals at the high end and, you know, building from within. And that's not a bad plan. That's how the Astros won their World Series draft developed trade. I know Mariner fans hate to hear that, but that's literally what the Astros did.

That's what the Braves have done. And honestly, to a similar extent, that's how most of the Los Angeles Dodgers roster has been built. Cardinals to trade. Cardinals, yep. You win a lot of games. You win a lot of games. And Aeronado via the trade market, right? Yep.

Yep. So, yeah, I know Mariner fans don't like to hear that, but. It's a viable strategy and it not only works, it's the best way. It's the it's the it's the it's the way that's worked the most. Right. So. Yeah. Historically speaking, this is the this has been the most successful path to to getting to the world series and actually winning it.

Right. And having staying power beyond one playoff push. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, it's well for you know, most fans it's just, you know, I want the immediate gratification. And I totally understand that. You again, I said this on, what was it, Thursday's show, that you wouldn't be a baseball fan if he didn't at least partly want the immediate gratification. You know, even us talking about all this stuff, we would be stoked if Trey Turner signed with the Mariners.

But, you know, from a baseball roster construction standpoint, this is just, if you want to sustain a healthy product over the course of, you know, a half a decade and more and beyond, you can't get roped into deals like this. because you know more often than not you're going to end up being the angels you're going to end up being the mid 2010s mariners you know like and at the end of the day you know john stanton can't afford all of this you can't like let's be very clear about that and he doesn't get let off the hook for that jerry depoto though and jesson hollander they do have to work within the budget that stanton gives them and there's only so much that they can convince him to expand their their payroll, right? They can only do so much convincing on that end as well. So they have to work within the confines of that.

And that's not just a one-year thing. That's a five-year plan, you know. I mean, teams handle it differently in terms of how they handle payroll. Sometimes it's a three-year window. Sometimes it's a five-year window, whatever. But you do have to look down the road and how deals like this will ultimately impact you down the road, especially when you have, like, in the Mariners case, when they have guys like Thai France, Cal Raleigh, Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, who are all well on their way to getting paid, to getting broken off.

At that point, you know, because you don't, you also like, you know, you want to balance being able to add talent and not being scared to spend the money to add that talent necessary to get you over the hump. But you also don't want to go, you know, three, four years down the road and have to come to the fan base and say, well, we can't sign Cal Raleigh now. We can't sign Logan Gilbert now. We can't sign George Kirby now because, hey, we're locked into this contract with Tray Turner. And that full no trade clause is scary. And like his again, you know, Trey Turner's biggest tool, arguably is his speed.

And by the time that he gets to 36, 37, 38, 39, this runs all the way into his age 41 season, age 40 season, something around there. Like he's not going to be anywhere near the player that he was. And that's going to be a problem for the Phillies down the road.

And again, they're not worried about that right now. Phillies fans shouldn't be worried about that right now. at the end of the day you guys got tray turn that's awesome tray turner makes you significantly better right now and the phillies are well positioned now to make another run at the world series so can we stop talking about tray turner now yes we're done talking about trey turner it's over he's signed it's done it's finally done shout out to mlb nerds by the way who said the mayor just had a meeting set up with tray turner and then like five minutes later jeff passed and tweeted tray turner signed with the fillies that really

worked out for for at MLB nerds trusted notorious trusted source MLB nerds it's almost like you probably shouldn't trust somebody who sources literally trust me bro yeah here's as somebody with as much or more credibility as MLB nerds I would like to report that the mariners are very close to acquiring Brian Reynolds for what who we'll tell you next oh nice I like that all right let's talk about bet online real quick though before we get to the Reynolds stuff. Betonline.net is your number one source for sports betting info, stats, news, and analysis. Get the latest odds and trends for every professional and amateur league out there from football to basketball to soccer and esports.

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everybody's chain. You're not actually hearing anything about Brian Reynolds, but Brian Reynolds has official, uh, look, he's, he's going to, yeah, he's doing the Colby thing. See, he's rolling his eyes. He's, he's smirking. He's doing all that stuff. Brian Reynolds has officially requested a trade from the Pittsburgh Pirates. He still has three years left of club control. However, he's entering, uh, arbitration finally. Uh, so he's going to start. getting paid a little bit but you know and the pirates are notorious for not paying players they're incredibly cheap if you want to talk about a cheap organization the pittsburgh pirates are like the face of that along with the a's the raise etc um but they do have leverage here

they do have leverage they don't necessarily have to trade reynolds but he has publicly requested a trade which you know that could cause some issues down the road especially in that clubhouse who knows you know i don't i don't know anything about brian reynolds the player the person or anything like that but it's possible that that could be a problem for the the pirates as an organization uh especially because they're going to be really bad you know they're still going to be really bad for the next few years at least um but they don't have to trade him right now so we know that the mariners have been interested in him in the past uh there's people that cover the mariners right now that believe that they're at least going to check in on that situation.

But this is a different farm system, a different organization in general than it was, you know, a year ago, two years ago when it first really started to show interest in Reynolds. And some of the pieces that would have been attractive to Pittsburgh back then are not necessarily around now or their profiles have changed like Jared Kellick, for example, or Emerson Hancock potentially, because we did hear last year that the Pirates. do like Hancock. Is that still a thing? Who knows?

But let me just ask you this, Colby. Is there any chance in your mind that the Mariners could still land Brian Reynolds? And what would that take at this point to get him? Sure. There's a chance. Here's the deal. When it comes to acquiring a player like Reynolds, do the Mariners have the pieces in a vacuum? Sure.

it's going to take a huge den out of the farm system and it might still even cost you some major league talent, but in a vacuum, can they acquire a player like Brian Reynolds? Yeah. I think the issue, you know, arises when you eliminate the vacuum, right? And all of a sudden it's not just can the Mariners afford Brian Reynolds? It's can the Mariners outbid other teams for Brian Reynolds? And the answer is probably not unless the market for Reynolds is a lot smaller than we think. because, you know, you kind of look at where Pittsburgh's at right now. I'm going to assume they don't want prospects who are half a decade away. So you kind of eliminate a lot of the Mariners top, you know, 10, 15 guys just right there. The Mariners, or the pirates have a pretty good young infield. They have Brian Hayes. They have O'Neill Cruz. They have some pieces there.

They're pretty set of catcher. They have Henry Davis. and they drafted one other kid pretty high. They like where they're at, a catcher. So you kind of start to look around and you say, okay, well, what do they need? And the pirates really desperately need young pitching, starting pitching, to be exact. They have a couple interesting arms, but they don't have anywhere near enough to build out a good rotation. So they're going to one starting pitching.

And the Mariners are unfortunately fresh out, unless you want to add Kirby or Gilbert to this deal, which should be a non-starter. Just hang up the phone immediately. because pitching is more valuable than a corner outfielder. It just fact. If you have two equivalent players, but one of them was a pitcher and one of them is a left fielder, you pick the pitcher every time. Reynolds can play centerfield.

He wasn't particularly good out there this last year. We need to add, too, is like, if he trade a starting pitcher, if he trade a Logan Gilbert, if you trade a George Kirby, you've got to fill that hole now. That's a pretty big hole to fill. You have to get a number three.

You have to get a Bassett or a Rodon. and then you're probably not going to go out and upgrade your number five spot, which you also need to do. So you're not trained one of those pitchers. So could Pittsburgh be, you know, interested in some kind of Harry Ford, Emerson Hancock, Brian Wu, Jared Kellnick, you know, and the 30th overall pick type of package? Maybe, but what's to stop the Blue Jays from coming to them and saying, oh, well, we'll give you Gabrizz. Brewell Moreno or we'll give you or the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Marlins go and say, oh, well, we'll give you Max Meyer or whatever. You know what I mean?

Like, there's nothing to stop, uh, these other teams from just going in and saying, oh, well, we'll just beat that because the Mariners don't have a prohibitive farm, uh, farm, uh, system right now. Mm-hmm. They don't. And, and they really haven't since Julio and, and Kirby and Gilbert, uh, all graduated. Um, and then, of course, they went out and they traded, um, and, You know, they traded Noel B. Marte and obviously Edwin-Royo for Luis Castillo.

And thank goodness they did. So, yeah, the farm system's down right now. Reynolds is a good player. He's an all-star, but he's not a star if that makes sense. I think he's closer to a four-win player than a six-win player, particularly when you take him out of center field. He loses some value there. But he's a very good player. So could the Mariners put together an offer that the pirates might say yes to?

Sure. Are they likely going to outbid, be able to outbid any of the other teams that are interested? No. And that's kind of where the issue arises. So unless this is a three-team deal or unless the pirates love Jared Kalnick and Emerson Hancock, maybe they do. I mean, we heard reports last year that they loved Hancock, but a lot's happened in a year. So we don't know if they still do. Maybe there's two prospects at the Pirates think are top, you know, 20 guys in all baseball. And that that's how they value. them. So you never know because we don't know how Pittsburgh values the Mariners prospects essentially. But what we do know is that the Mariners really want Brian Reynolds and conventional wisdom says that they don't have a farm system that can

beat any other offer that's likely going to be out there. Yeah. It really depends on if these other teams like say the Blue Jays who are very clearly in the market for a left-handed hitting outfielder, corner outfielder specifically. like if they have a cap right like if they have like I'm just not going to go there like if the blue jays are like I'm not trading gabby

marino for brian Reynolds then yeah the mariners have a better shot but that's a very big if right especially for these teams I might you know feel a little more desperate to make a move like that than the mariners are now the thing though for the mariners is that they do find themselves in a little bit of a unique position because they can afford to be a little more aggressive with the names that they're throwing around here. At least that's what I believe. With Felden-Selestein being added, expected to be added to the organization in January as an international prospect signing, and then three top 30 picks in next summer's draft, which we're going to talk about a little bit later. They've obviously replenished a little bit here as of late with Tyler Locklear and Cole Young,

guys like that, Walter Ford, of course. So, you know, they're starting to beef up this farm again, and they're going to continue to do so in the next calendar year. So I think, you know, they could get a little more aggressive here and deplete their farm system for, you know, temporarily a little bit to land someone like Reynolds. I'm also, you know, open to Matt Brash in the steel, but that is ultimately dependent on if the pirates view him as a starter because if they just view him as a reliever, you're selling low on that brush, quite frankly. So probably not enough to tip the scales that they think he's a reliever either. Yeah.

So yeah, yeah, exactly. So I'm open to that. I'm open to them being like, here's Harry Ford and Bryce Miller and, you know, the 30th pick and the draft and like I am open to them doing that because of the talent that's expected to enter this organization. But again, I still, even. with that, I still think that it's dependent on if the Blue Jays are

unwilling to go to Moreno and whatever else and you know, just the the desperation of other teams. Miami has been looking for a center fielder for like four years. And now, Brown Reynolds really isn't a center fielder anymore. I don't think they're

I don't think they'd play them out there anyways, but the Marlins have a, I mean, just an amazing array of talented arms that they could offer like if you're the Marlins like you could you could legitimately trade

Max Meyer and Sixto Sanchez and not even really feel it for Brian Reynolds and if you're the pirates like I mean yeah those are risky arms because you know they're both battling injuries right now but the upside there is incredible with those two so can I can I get something out of them maybe

so I just to me I mean I'd be if if he's moved and I don't want to assume that that's absolutely going to happen I think if it does, it might happen in the summer, which could actually be good for Seattle. He'd be a little bit cheaper in theory in the summer. But also, you'd have another three months of data on your farm system. So it might be a good thing if he does not trade it until the summer. But I just feel like if Brian Reynolds is traded this winter, Miami just makes so much sense.

And then we'll see Toronto can definitely get in on this. But they're also in on Nimmo and Yoshita. And that's the other factor too is that I don't anticipate Reynolds being traded. really anytime soon, which means that these other teams, they're going to move on. They're going to go sign the Ben Attendees. They're going to go sign Yoshita and maybe the Mariners are one of those teams. They're going to go sign Nemo. And then all of a sudden, Reynolds isn't exactly a great fit.

Or he's not an easy fit as he once was. So, yeah, there's lots going to happen between now when Brian Reynolds is traded. Q looking up on Twitter and seeing that Brian Reynolds has been traded. But I don't think that it's going to happen this month, at least. And I'd be pretty surprised that Reynolds was traded before opening day. And I'd be even more surprised if he was traded to the Mariners just because, again, they don't, the Mariners can't make a prohibitive offer. They cannot make an offer so good that other teams are like, we're out unless they want to trade Gilbert or Kirby. And I'm telling you right now, they do not.

Yeah. They are not going to trade Logan Gilbert. They are not going to trade George Kirby. The sense that I get to is that if the pirates are going to deal in the soft season, they're going to wait this out as long as they can. Because, again, they have leverage, right? even though that they are incredibly notoriously cheap, they do have leverage still because of the three years of fairly affordable club control that Reynolds still has.

So if he does get dealt this off season, I think it's pretty close to spring training that it happens. It could be early March. It could be February. I just, I don't think if this does happen, it's not going to happen during the winter meetings. It's not going to happen later this month. That's just my sense on it.

The other thing, too, you mentioned, Shida for the Blue Jays, obviously he's a potential target for the Mariners. He still hasn't been posted yet. And Orix, his team in Japan, has said that there are certain things that need to happen in order for him to be posted. So maybe that's not going to happen. Who knows? They have until, I believe, December 15th. And there was a report from John Morosi today that he's expected to be posted on the 12th.

So we'll see if that actually happens. But if he doesn't get posted, that does change things for. the Mariners. That does change things for the Blue Jays. That does change things for quite a few teams. Should also mention, I believe, let me double check this real fast. Well, while you're doing that, let me remind the folks that this episode of Locked-on Mariners is brought to them by SimplySafe. At Locked-on Mariners, we believe home should be where you and your family feel safest, especially over the holidays. This season, give yourself and your family the gift of peace and protection with the number one-rated home security system, Simply Safe. And right-

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So I believe, I was trying to find who did it. I believe it was Daniel Kramer, who has recently linked the Mariner. Mariners with Andrew Benetendi. I didn't see that. I completely miss that. Well, the reports are a little iffy. I can't see a tweet from Kramer. I saw somebody say that Kramer reported that,

but I don't know where. But again, Benetendi makes sense for the Mariners. So that wouldn't be surprised. We've talked about why like Jerry DePoto would love him, right? He's just a Jerry tovote guy. He's very, yeah, CTZ and plus defensive left field or all that stuff. So yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked or they were interested in them.

But I just, I wanted to see if there was like a set report that said, yes, they've talked to them or yes, they're interested. And I can't find one from a reliable source that says they've absolutely reached out. So just something to keep in mind. Ben Attendee is also very marinary. So we talked about this during the Brian Reynolds segment that the Mariners have a tradable pick. is pick number 30 in next summer's draft. It's the first selection in the competitive balance round A. And the reason that that's particularly interesting for the Mariners is they also got a basically a first round pick for Julio Rodriguez winning rookie of the year.

And that slots in at the pick right ahead of the competitive balance round A at number 29. So the Mariners now have picks 22, 29, and 30. And this was, of course, confirmed by Joe Doyle, a Prospects Live, who was the first report that this was a separate pick from the Julio selection. And that is, again, now confirmed that it is separate. The Mariners have three picks from 22 to 30, which adds more bonus pool money, which, again, gives them a tradable draft pick, which is surely going to be interesting over the next few. days, weeks, months, who knows? This is huge for the merits, right, Colby? Like, this is incredible.

It was insane. Yeah, it's a huge gift. You know, we had talked last week or so that we'd kind of expected Seattle to get a comp around B-pick because they'd got one the year before. And typically they don't like reshuffle those or they don't like reformulize who's eligible for those for four or five years. we weren't sure with the new with the new CBA how they were going to formulate who gets those picks but as it turns out it's even better because the Mariners essentially get you know a first round pick

it's there's 30 teams in major league baseball the Mariners have three of the first 30 picks so I mean in all reality they have three first round picks one of them is tradable as you mentioned which is big it's worth noting that the Mariners as things stand right now have the sixth highest bonus pool, draft bonus pool. So they are essentially have the same amount of money to spend as whatever team gets the seventh overall pick tonight. So there is a lottery

happening tonight by the way. The Mariners are not in it. Thank God. So I won't be watching. But yeah, the draft pick is huge. Both of them are huge because we talked about in the Brian Reynolds thing is that the Mariners farm system has taken a hit because it was designed to take it. And it's a good thing that it's taken a hit because now you have Cal Raleigh and Julio and Logan Gilbert and George Kirby from your farm system. And you also went out and you acquired A. E. E. E. E. Henio Suarez and Luis Castillo and others for guys in your farm system. So it's a good thing that your farm system isn't as, you know, number one. But you still want to restock it.

You still want to replenish it. There are holes in the farm system that you can now address with these three picks. And because you have so much money to spend, you can get really creative with this. You could just take the three best players when you're on the board and feel good about that. and you're probably getting three guys who are likely going to end up in the top 10-ish of your current ranks, maybe even higher. Or you could maybe try and work down one of the guys in the 12 to 15 range, maybe try and get him to talk his way down to 22, where you're going to overpay him by a million bucks and still have enough money in that second, or in the comp round A pick to get a pretty decent prospect too.

So there's a lot of fun that maybe you just go slot and then you go way over slot in round two or something. and you try to get like four first round talents out of this. There are a lot of ways you can go with this, but probably the most interesting one, at least for now, is what can you get if you trade that pick? Like what's the quality of player you can get? It's tough to say these things are pretty hard to value sometimes. The Mariners have made one trade that involved a comp round B pick.

They traded three years of Armour Narvayas, and they got a comp round B pick, which was, I believe, 67th, 68th. So how much is... Can you name the player they also got for Nervias? Adam Hill. Hey, there you go. Yeah.

So... Good job. Yeah. So, yeah, you know, it's a little tough to say how much a first-round pick is. It's not nothing. I'll tell you that. It's, it's, you know, is it worth Taylor-Dollard? Like, is it another Taylor-Dollard?

Or is it another, like, Bryce Miller? Is it another Emerson-Hankcock? I don't know exactly what it translates to, but it's valuable. It's a valuable piece. And the Mariners can have a lot of fun. fun with it. They can either improve their major league roster or they can keep it and, you know, keep the bonus pool and restock the farm system in one fell swoop. There's a lot of things you can do with it. But I do think that I think the initial plan should be to see what it's worth

in trade talks. So a couple notes here. The Julio pick is not tradable. So number 29 is not tradable. The other thing too is that now I believe if the Mariners were to sign a player that has a qualifying offer attached to them, they would have to give up a second round draft pick instead of a third round draft pick. Am I correct on that? Yeah, I believe so. It's kind of silly that they let the performance incentive pick or whatever that's called count as a pick so that because if that didn't count as a pick, then the Mariners would only have to go up their third their third round pick. So that's kind of silly.

It's your third highest pick for those that don't know that you have to give up. Right, depending on specifically. Right. There's a formula of you if you get revenue sharing, but you don't have X and you give up your third highest pick. If you get revenue sharing and X or something, you get in your pay blah, blah, blah, whatever. Whatever it is.

Too complicated. We don't need to get into all. No, no. Yeah. So before we sign off here, Ty, I do, I did hear a couple of ideas that I don't want to get. get your thought on for a player that you could trade that pick for. Okay.

And it's probably a pick and the prospect and like a middling prospect. But one name that that got brought up, I believe this was, I believe Joe Doyle brought this name up. Okay. Would you do pick 30 and like perlander Barrow for one year, Blake Snow? Yeah, Snell was, Snell got back on the horse this past year. really good. I don't think a lot of people paid attention to what Snell did

this year, but he was really good. I think he averaged like 12Ks per 9 or something like that this year. He was insane. I mean, it's yeah, yeah. Hometown guy. I would do that. Decent chance you can get him to sign an extension. He's talked about his desire to come back to Seattle. Like, I think that's interesting.

Yeah. And then the other one I heard also might have been Doyle. And also the Padres, like they're getting close to that luxury tax. They don't want to exceed it. They're apparently quite interested. Well, they were quite interested in Trey Turner.

They're apparently interested in Xander Bogart. So if they make that move, they're going to have to cut some payroll. They probably want to do that anyways. And then I think the other name I heard, it might have been Doyle. Maybe it was Churchill or Crawford. I can't remember who it was exactly. Would you trade that number 30 overall pick for Ian Hap, one year of Ian Hap? Yeah.

Yeah. Like my priority here is making, making the major league roster better. Right? Like, you know, I got to balance the replenishing the farm and all that stuff. You know, and that goes into the whole discussion about, you know, sustaining a healthy, you know, successful baseball club over the course of five to ten years. I'm not giving that pickle away just for like, you know, a reliever or somebody like that.

No, no, no, no. Definitely not that. But like, yeah, if I can get someone like Ian Hap, who's a difference maker, if I can get someone like Blake Snell who makes my rotation just ridiculous. yeah. Can I get a player who gives me three wins this year? Yeah. For that draft pick.

Ian has to do that. Like Snow can do that. Yeah. I think that's what you're looking at. Or maybe it's now it's the draft pick and Taylor Dollar and Michael O'Royo for Randy or Rosario. You know, whatever it is. Yeah.

Those are the type of things you have to consider. So it's a great spot for the Mariners to be. and it'll be interesting to see what Jerry does with the tradable pick. But either way, whether he trades it, if he trades it, he's going to get something that's really going to help this roster. If he keeps it, then he has a shot along with Scott Hunter to kind of rebuild the farm system in one draft. And both of those thoughts are pretty exciting. So, of course, we're not doing mailback Monday today. Apologies to those that were maybe preparing some questions for that or getting excited about that.

We are planning on doing a mailbag show at some point this week. we just don't know exactly when because this is, of course, winter meetings going on. So this is a pretty fluid situation. We've got to stay on our toes with that. So if it looks like nothing is happening and, you know, you never know with the Mariners, right? They'll announce something like 10 minutes after Jeff Passer reports it officially. So, but if it doesn't look like anything is really, you know, going on with the Mariners, we'll send out the, are we doing it on YouTube or Twitter this time? we'll figure that out.

But we'll send out a message on either one of those platforms when we're looking for questions and all that. But yeah, with the winter meetings this week, it's going to be a little bit nuts. We don't know if the mayor is you're going to do anything or not. I kind of have a feeling that they might do something. It might be a little bit small. This might be, honestly,

this might be the week where the Chris Flex and trade happens. Or Marco. I kind of feel like if they do do something, it might just end up being that. Right. There's also the Rule 5 draft, which. Oh, yeah. isn't that exciting, but the Mariners do typically make a pick.

And it's usually a reliever. Usually, I mean, that's pretty much the only players who get picked in the Rule 5 anyways. But, yeah, so, you know, if they make a rule, I think they're going to add one player to their 40 man. Either it's the Rule 5 or they're going to make a minor trade or something, but I don't think you're going to see them. Like, I don't think you're going to get a huge announcement. I would be surprised if the Mariners did anything that would require us to do an emergency pod. And keep in mind, our bar for emergency pod is like literally Trevor got. We did Trevor.

I mean, that was a very special case considering we were literally like here. We were sitting and still at the desk when it happened. But yeah, don't, don't tempt me. The Mariners go sign Steve Seashack. I'll do the emergency pod myself. He loves Steve Seashok. He would, he's good. He would definitely want to do it.

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