Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Mariners Are Targeting Yoshinobu Yamamoto, But How Serious Are They?

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

What is Colby and Ty hearing about the Mariners' pursuit of Japanese right-handed pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto? What would a successful 2024 campaign look like for Dominic Canzone? Is Seattle overcorrecting for its strikeout issues in 2023? All that and more answered on this mailbag episode of Locked On Mariners!Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!FanDuelScore early this NFL season with FanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS – if your team wins! Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What is the latest on the Mariners in Yoshinobu Yamamoto? And what would a successful season for Dom Kanzone look like in 2024? And are the Mariners overcorrecting for their strikeout problems this past season? I'll answer that and a whole lot more coming up here on mailback Monday. Colby hit it. You are Locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network.

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get a free seven-day trial to check out the show. The link as well as our social accounts is in the description of this episode. And this episode is, of course, Mailbag Monday, the show where we answer your marriage questions. We're going to start here with Steve, who wants to know what would be a successful season for Dom Canzone in 2024? Colby. Boy, coming out of the gates hot with a Dom-Kan zone question. What's a successful season for him? I don't know. What's a really good WRC plus for Tacoma?

Because that's where he belongs. He's not a major leaguer yet. Could be. So I think in theory, a successful season for Dom Kanzone is proving that he's a major leaguer in any sense because last year he wasn't. So I think if you're going to get, you know, I think we feel pretty, good that Canzone is not going to hit lefties. We saw him get a few at-bats against lefties, and boy, not even close. And so you can't really, the Mariners shouldn't go into this season

thinking that Dom-Kanzone should be in their lineup at all. Like, that's how you need to plan this. But if he does come up and he does force the Mariners' hands, that's a successful season. So if Dom-Kan-Zone is so good in AAA that he forces his way into the lineup and stays in the lineup as a result, that's a successful season. So whether that's, you know, a 120 WRC plus or a 110. Hopefully it's closer to 120 because, you know, you have a lot better options. But I think if he does roughly what Kelnick did last year in terms of just ratio numbers,

then I think that's a pretty successful season for him. But we know that the raw power is there. We know that he can put the ball in play. We know that he'll draw walks. So to me, a successful season is one. It's not really numbers base. It's just one where he forces his, way into the starting lineup or into regular at-bats without it being because, you know,

the Mariners off-season addition really struggled and they just didn't have a choice. So they went with Dom-Kan zone. If he earns at-bats, and I mean, literally earns them because he's just better than other, you know, solid players, then that's a successful season for Dom-Kan zone. Yeah, I agreed. So I think first and foremost, like you said, he needs to prove that he's a major leaguer. And then to push that a little bit further, I would say that he needs. to at least establish himself as a league average fourth outfielder

for this for this upcoming season to be considered a success. Next question here comes from Max. Elaborate more on the Yoshinobu Yamamoto details you are pondering. Do the Mariners actually have a shot at landing him? And what is it going to cost? All right. So for those of you that don't know, because we haven't covered him a lot on this show, admittedly.

Yoshinobu Yamamoto is a 25-year-old right-handed pitcher coming over from Japan. He is arguably the second best free agent on the market outside of Shohei Otani. The reason that we haven't really talked about him a lot is because early reports said that he was basically only considering East Coast teams, like the Red Sox, the Mets, the Yankees. For a while there it seemed like he was just a slam dunk to be a Met. It doesn't seem like that's the case. Then there were reports saying that actually he only wants to be on the West Coast. He wants to be as close as possible to home as he can be in Major League Baseball. and the Dodgers have obviously openly courted him.

I mean, he was sitting courtside at a Lakers game and stuff like that recently. So this is all to say that we overall don't really, really know what Yamamoto wants because there is a lot of conflicting reports out there. But as of late, specifically over the last week or so, him and the Mariners have picked up traction. John Marosi mentioned him for the Marys a couple weeks ago, and then it did it again this morning. Jason Churchill has said that the Mariners are linked to Yamamoto and really like the,

and really like Yamamoto on his podcast, baseball things on Patreon. So after hearing that, I started asking around myself and I've heard the same things. The Mariners really, really like Yoshinou Yamamoto. And all indications seem to be that they're planning on or they already have gotten very aggressive in their pursuit of Yamamoto. And I think they believe that they have a real shot at getting him. Now, this is a possibility that I'd like to dive into a bit deeper on a future episode where we don't have a bunch of questions to answer. This isn't really the forum to do that. So maybe tomorrow's episode we'll dive more into the Yamamoto stuff.

But just to quickly talk about what I've been talking about on Twitter today, for my understanding, I get the sense that. that the Mariners are not necessarily putting their off season on pause, but they are kind of waiting to see if they're going to get Yamamoto because it's going to have a major trickle-down effect on how they pursue or how they attack the off-season from that point forward, specifically the hitting portion of the market. Because, you know, what have we talked about in the build-up to this off-season? What is the easiest way for the Mariners to get significantly better in 2024?

what is the strength of the market? Well, that's the pitching. Well, the Mariners are very good in the pitching department, as is. They might have already the best rotation of baseball, if not, at least top three, top five. But why not make the strength even greater and then trade from your depth, specifically Brian Wu, Bryce Miller, to go out and get the bat or bats that you need, right? Makes sense in general. And like, if you got Yamamoto, you have hands down the best rotation in all of baseball.

Hands down, no questions about it. Logan Gilbert is probably your fourth best starter. So yeah, so we'll dive into this a bit more, maybe tomorrow. But I think there is some legitimate smoke there. I think the Mariners are very interested in Yamamoto. I think they are going to be pretty aggressive in their pursuit of him. And I think there is, and again, we'll talk about this tomorrow and why I believe this, I think there is real reason to think that he would actually legitimately consider the

mariners over a team like the Dodgers over a team like the Red Sox. The money has to be relatively close. There are teams that are more desperate for pitching than the marries are for sure that have in theory more money to be willing to spend on someone like Yamamoto. So I'm not saying that it's a guarantee or anything like that that he is going to be a mariner. But I have an infinitely easier case to make for the mariners in Yamamoto than Otani or any other big name free agent, not just this year, but over the last couple years.

Sure. We'll talk about the sales pitch and stuff tomorrow, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, I would still say it's more likely than not that he doesn't sign with Seattle, because, again, about half the league is interested in him. But the fact, apparently, Yamamoto is meeting with all the teams that are interested over Zoom this week. And then the plan is that next week at the winter meetings, he'll sit down with the finalist. And he'll talk to them at the winter meetings.

That sounds like that's what the plan is right now. So Seattle will know if they have a shot at him in a week. Yeah, in a week from today, they'll know, or probably sooner than a week from today. They'll know if they have a shot with him or not. But they also know that in order to, you know, even win a sit down with the Amamoto, they have to be willing to pay his market. and his market is going to be at least $200 million. That may or may not include the posting fee, which is at least $20 million.

So yeah, it's $20 million to even negotiate with him. And then if you don't sign them, obviously you get the $20 million back. But it's $20 million minimum. And then he's going to get at least $180 million. And I bet he probably gets closer to $230 million. So I think you're probably looking at a total investment around $250 million. That could be over eight years. That could be over 12 years.

We'll see. But the Mariners know that going in. They know how much it's going to cost. And they're still trying to get that meeting with them. It means they're willing to spend that. Or at least they're willing to spend near that. And that's that in and of itself is a pretty good sign that they have a shot to land him. Because there is a compelling sales pitch to be made to Yamamoto.

And we'll go over that. I assume tomorrow unless the Mariners make a, a deal of some kind with somebody else. Right. Right. So very quickly on that, because I know a lot of you are typing furiously away saying, like, why should I believe that the Mariners are going to spend that money? What has evidence said, really, over the last couple of years, right? Like, I know that they haven't signed a bunch of big name guys, but they have spent some on guys like Julio and Luis Castillo and Robbie Ray. We know that they have been aggressive on not as

aggressive as they needed to be, but fairly aggressive on guys like Trevor Story and Marcus Simeon. We've heard from Ryan Dibish, you know, recently on the C-level podcast, say that the Mariners are willing to offer Shohei Otani $50 million a year. It's just the years. What the problem here is, and I think this is becoming more and more clear with more information that we're getting over the last, you know, a couple weeks and over the last couple years, that the Mariners, the issue hasn't been paying top dollar in terms of annual salary. It's the years. They don't want to be locked down for seven plus years, right?

For whatever reason, they don't feel that whatever happens in, you know, between years six through ten is worth whatever you get in years one through five. We can have a major, major discussion about that. But also, something else to consider here in terms of the long-term deals, I think they are willing to give them to guys that they consider unicorns, right? Julio. And Julio is not just a unicornemant in terms of his ceiling and his on-field production. He was also 21 years old at the time that they gave him that deal.

And when we're talking about a lot of these free agents, most free agents, they're hitting the market at 28 to 30 years old. They're either already in their prime or they're towards the end of their prime. And they're still asking for eight to 13 years. You know, look at Xander Bogart's. Look at Trey Turner. Look at some of those guys, right? That have signed those massive deals recently.

Yamamoto is only 25 years old. I think they feel a lot more comfortable in giving Yamamoto something like a eight to nine year deal, something like that. I'm not saying that's actually what it's going to be, but I think they would be willing to give him that more than they would Marcus Simeon, right, for example. So let's just keep that in mind when we're talking about this particular process. I don't think that maybe the same skepticism that a lot of Mariners fans have can be applied that we have with like Otani or Bellinger or something like that can be necessarily applied to someone like Yamamoto because he's a very unique case in that regard because of his age. All right.

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prioritizing contact too much at the expense of slugging similar to the guardians in 2023 are not adding another impactful proven arm to the bullpen or is it too early to be concerned it is too early to be concerned i would say uh but colby if you had to pick one of the two what do you pick it uh i'd be more concerned about them not adding another bullpen arm uh because that's something they actually haven't really done in a while is just go out and spend money on the bullpen now. Bullpen hasn't been a huge issue. Like it's not like them not spending has cost them,

you know, has led them to have one of the worst bullpins in baseball. I know it's quite the opposite. They haven't spent money. They sent resources, but they haven't spent money significant amounts on the bullpen. And the bullpen has, you know, been really good. It took a step back this last year,

but, you know, they did trade one of their most valuable members in that bullpen midseason. So, you know, it's pretty easy to draw a line there. but they've already subtracted from the bullpen this year so far. And they haven't replaced Isaiah Campbell yet. And again, they will at some point. They'll add a bullpen arm or they'll trade for whoever this year's Justin Topa is or they'll claim somebody who gets DFA when another team signs a free agent.

But I do think that they should be willing to spend a little bit of money on the bullpen. You know, it's similar to the Yamamoto idea, like just make your strength. even better. Like preventing runs is the same as scoring runs. And if you're an offense, that's going to be wildly inconsistent, then you kind of have to hold on to these games where you have a one-run lead in the seventh. Like you have to win those games.

And the Mariners just don't have the arms to really do that consistently enough to feel good about your offense being so inconsistent. So to me, it's the bullpen arm. But by the way, we don't know that they're over-prioritizing strikeouts on offense. I mean, they went from Gino to Eureas, but they also went from Murphy to Sebi Zevi,

and Seby Zevi struck out like 37% of the time last year. So we don't know that that's what they're doing. Now, you had Rojas into the mix, you had Canzone into the mix. It does certainly look like they're trying to, you know, curb that problem a little bit with not so great players. But if they go out and they trade for Brent Rooker to be their DH, which makes some sense, then the strikeout number goes up. But you don't care because that guy,

hitting 30 home runs with a 125 WRC plus. So it's a balancing act. I think they are trying to cut down strikeouts in areas, but I don't think they're going to go to the extreme of being like the 20, 23 guardians where it's just like everybody has to have a sub 20% strikeout rate. They're willing to live with some strikeouts. It's just you can't live with it being, you know, five guys in a row at 30% strikeout rates.

Right. And like they're, and they're naturally going to have to, right? Because they're not trading Cal. They're not trading Julio, you know, and those guys, they strike out. They're naturally going to have guys like that. But yeah, it's like what you said.

And it's what we talked about with within the context of the genot trade that you just can't have, you know, think back on the basis loaded situations against both the nationals and the angels, right? Those two situations really stick in the mind of Mariners fans coming off of this season. What was the main issue there? They weren't able to put the ball in play. They weren't able to lift the ball in the air when all they really needed in that situation was a sacrifice fly. And that's partly because they have too many high strikeout guys stacked next to one another in the lineup. You know, when you get, when you have like Tay Oscar Hernandez, Cal Raleigh, A. E. E. Henni of Swares, Jared Kelnick, all hitting, you know, three, four, five, six in your lineup or four, five, six, seven in your lineup.

Yeah, you're going to expose yourself to multiple strikeouts during that stretch. So I think it's just really what. that's about is just about breaking up your lineup more. But I, you know, I have voiced my concerns, especially you know, after the Gino trade that maybe they are overcorrecting for the strikeout issue. Because again, if you're producing,

you can strike out as much as you want as long as you're producing. Teo was a 130 WRC plus guy, but he was still striking out at the same rate that he did this year, then who cares? It's still here. We're talking about they need to resign Teosker. You know, and they probably, you know, give him the qualifying offer at that point. Yep. All right. Gabe wants to know, is it more

likely that the Mariners try to get better by upgrading the offense, doubling down on pitching slash defense. A little bit of both. Neither. Trade so far don't seem to indicate much either of those directions. I think they're going to try and do both because why wouldn't you? Particularly in this market, the value in this market is on the pitching side. That is where a majority of the good players are is in the bullpen and in the rotation.

So you can't, you know, you can't squeeze water out of a stone. right like in some point you just got to go with the flow and end up pitching is where the strength is and then go spend on some pitching and then you go trade for offense um if it was the other way around then yeah go spend some money on the offense and then you know you have your pitching so i think they're going to try and do both uh i think ultimately what ends up happening is that they make semi moderate uh upgrades in both areas instead of like greatly impacting their starting pitching and then just going out and getting like adam duval i think it's more like hey we got Jorge Soler and

Chotei Managa and there you go right instead of like one star and then one scrub you get like two mid level above mid level some you know you get those type of players and then you go get your your ancillary pieces you know later in the winter so I think they're going to try and do both I think if they

were to go like if they were to swing in one direction or another spending most money it would be on the pitching side is where they would spend it's where they would feel comfortable spending most of their money but that again that could i think it's it could be you know saler and and imanaga it could be uh hoskins and you know pick the mid-rotation starter you like that's out there hoskins and waka and and stevenson like it could be one of each and at you know in the lineup in the bullpen and the rotation so i think they're going to try and do both but if you're telling me that the mariners are going to spend at like top of the market on either an offensive player or a pitcher,

I would bet heavily that they do it on a pitcher. Right. And what do we just talk about with Yamamoto, right? It's very possible that you can get better offensively because you got better defensively or at your pitching spots, right? So honestly, even if you don't trade one of those guys, if you don't trade a Miller-Woo for offense because I tell you what, winning two to one is just as good as winning five to three.

Sure, sure. Just win. You're listening to the Lockdown Marries podcast. Thank you again for making us your first listen here on Mailbag Monday. Got a question here from Campbell. Y'all were to rank the starting pitchers available. Where would you, where would Blake Snell rank? And who would you rather sign?

So now that Sunny Gray is off the market, Aaron Nola's off the market. Yamamoto's number one. He's the defendant of number one. I would say Snell is probably number two and the number three. is Montgomery and for I'm missing someone. Am I missing someone, Colby? I don't think so. There are, there's a lot of depth

in the in the free agent class. There's not a lot of top end talent. So it kind of depends on how much you trust Blake Snell. But no, I think that's about right. I think you can make an argument that I think you make an argument that Montgomery is better than Snell. Certainly,

you know, comes with less risk than Sine Blake's now. But if you're just talking about like pure, like who's the best, you know, who is the best arm. Then, yeah,

it's probably Yamamoto than Snell. Eduardo Rodriguez is probably up there somewhere. Right. I also forgot about Stroman. I don't think Stroman's better than any of the guys you named, but sure. I would say he's top five.

We could have a debate about him in Erod for sure. Because I think Erod would be my number five right after the four guys that I listed. But I think there's a debate there. Assuming we're taking Kershaw off the table because he's going to resign with the Dodgers.

He's also hurt. He's also going to miss most of next year. Yeah. So, yeah, I think it's Yamamoto. I think I think the tricky one here is where do you put Woodruff? Because yeah. Yeah. If he was healthy, yeah, he would, I would put him over snow.

But he's not. Do you? Like, is Julio your Reyes ever going to pitch again? I hope not for you, but just in general. Like, because obviously stuff-wise, he's high on that list, but I don't know if he's ever going to pitch again. So, yeah, I think it probably goes. Yamamoto,

Snell, Montgomery, Iman, Stromen, no, Rodriguez, Stromen, Woodruff, yeah, I think. Connor wants to know, is it realistic to believe

that Harry Ford could be an everyday player for the Mariners by September of 2024? No. No, next question. It is not. It is not.

Could he make his debut very, very small chance? I would say that Cole Young doesn't have a high likelihood of doing this either, but has a much higher likelihood of doing it this year than Harry Ford does.

agreed i'd almost argue colt emerson has a better shot to do this than harry ford like an everyday player every day player by september of 2024 that's you're telling me he's in the lineup 20 times between september 1 and october 1 0% chance yeah i don't i yeah yeah i could maybe see it with cole young i could maybe see with cole young and that's more just even that because like here's the thing is like i don't think that the marries are going to abandon the the the the catching asses aspect of Ford's game just yet. There's no reason to. So, so that, you know, that's going to take time, right? And they're going to be

very, very patient with him. Whereas, like, with Young, like, we know that he's going to play up the middle. He's going to play short or second. And most likely if he makes it to Seattle, he's probably going to play second base. And the Mariners are obviously not super strong at second base right now. So

I could see an outcome here where Young has another great season down on the minors. And come August or so makes his way onto the team, pops a little bit, and all of a sudden they go, you know what? He gives us our best shot at second base. I think he'll probably start this year back in high A ball, but I would be pretty shocked if he wasn't in double A by

middle of May. And if you're in double A, you have a shot to make the big leagues in that same year. So Ford's going to go back to to Everett. And he's had, like Ford, he hasn't regressed or anything. He hasn't, you know, taking a step back. He's progressing very nicely. It's just the bat hasn't outpaced his progress band the plate enough that they're going to move him off of that. And again, he's 20 years old. There's no reason to. So for it, I think you're, I think you're early by about at least six months would be my guess. And even then, I don't know if he's an everyday player, you know,

as a 21, 22 year old. But, yeah, for it, I would say zero percent chance. Young, I'd say like, 5%. Yeah. I mean, unless Ford just, you know, turns into Juan Soto

at the plate for the next, you know, for the first four or five months of the year, but that's something he hasn't done. So that's, that's,

that's wishful thinking, I would say. All right. Last question of the day comes from Jake. Seeing Colby on the CTZ Twitter say a few times, you'll still be at the ballpark

in a few months in response to fans criticizing the team. I do think it begs the question, but to y'all, where is the line on criticism slash emotional reaction to front office moves. Colby, this is, I guess, more of a question for you. So floor is yours.

Yeah, you know, I see people, it'll be like, they traded A. E.U. Hineo, like, I'm not going to any more games. It's like, yes, you are. Of course you are. Because I got news for it. If A.U. Hennio was the only reason you were going to the ballpark, your line to everybody.

So, of course, you're going to go watch and play. You know, as to, like, what's the line? I mean, I don't know if they signed Wander Franco, I'm certainly out. I'm not giving them any of my money. But yeah, like just in terms of like personnel moves, like if they trade a player I like for a player I don't like, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop supporting the team, right? There has to be very specific things that happen off the field when they acquire a player. And the team has to know that they're acquiring a legitimate bad person.

it's personal with everybody. So like if you're really upset, like Gino was your favorite player and you're upset, they traded them. Fine. I totally get that. And in November, it's real easy for you to sit here and say,

I'm not going to any Mariner games next year because those are six months away. But eventually, you know you're going. So stop with this, you know, stop with this, you know, pounding your chest like,

oh, look at me. I'm boycotting you because you're not. I'm not going to. Because again, if this was the breaking point, you already broke a long time ago or you never cared to begin with. So you're going to, So you're going to go to the ballpark, stop with the whole like,

I'm canceling my season tickets because you traded Gino. No, you're not. No, you're not. If you are, if you really are, then you already canceled them a long time ago. You just don't care enough. So again, not telling you out of fan. If you're really upset that they traded Gino, fine. Don't lie.

Don't lie. We know you're going to the ballpark after this. We know that if the Mariners are in, you know, they're August and they're on pace to win 100 games and they're battling and they're fighting off the Astros and the Rangers for the American League West title. There's going to be 45,000 people in that ballpark on a Saturday night for the rest of the year. Of course there is.

Of course there is. You're emotional now because they traded a player that you really like kind of out of nowhere and you don't understand what they're trying to do. So you just lash out. But we know you're going to the ballpark. So just stop. Just stop. This isn't the Oakland A's.

Okay. They're not screwing you out of your ball club. They traded a guy. Right. Welcome to baseball. That stuff happens every year. You're going to be okay. The way I interpreted this question was more like what what is a valid criticism of the front office like for fans and what is just like emotional?

Like for me, I don't I don't know if that's actually the case. That's just how I personally interpreted it. So that's how I was going to frame my answer. So I just wanted to preface that real quick. But for me like I fans should absolutely want to win demand winning demand the most out of their front office out of their ownership to do everything in their power to win and to bring world series titles to their to their city i i think it does cross the line though when assumptions are made particularly in november right and i get like if you've seen evidence of it in previous years that affects how you're going

to interpret things and in future years totally understand that right because like last off season for example colby and i spent months and months saying after you know the long deal and the pollock deal like You know, just wait. You know, there's still a lot of offseason left. They're probably going to do something else. And then they really did. Right. So I get it from that perspective.

I think really like the thing that that irks me a little bit and I kind of touched upon this a little bit with the Yamamoto stuff earlier is like because the Mariners haven't spent on a ton of big name players. Now people have turned that into they just don't spend at all. And that's not really like all of a sudden like the mayors have gone. from like a mid-tier team in terms of spending to like they're the A's. That's like the reputation that they have now all of a sudden it's like that's weird to me

and not at all accurate and not at all like a general basis for an interesting conversation that I want to have frankly. The other thing too is like when we start comparing people like Jerry DePoto to like

actual public figures who have an impact on like the daily lives of society as a whole. And I think some people know what I'm specifically referencing right now because we got a comment that did this a few days ago. That really steps over the line because at the end of the day, this is baseball. We're talking about baseball. We're talking about entertainment. These people work in entertainment. You can totally disagree with the way that they operate.

You can obviously this is a very personal thing for a lot of people. their connection to the Mariners is obviously a very personal thing. I totally understand that. But like there are some things that I see people say that go far beyond what this ultimately is, what the situation ultimately calls for. And at the end of the day, we're talking about a game made for children, right? That we all like to enjoy watching it and played at the highest level,

but that's just all it is. At the end of the day, it's just a sport. Right. Trying to have some perspective. Yeah. Yeah, I think, uh, when fans cross the line is when it gets like really personal. And it's like, like people throw around fire somebody like legitimately, angrily, like fire this person, fire that person way too often. Um, but yeah, if you're, you know, like what's the line, uh, like when's what's fair to criticize?

It's fair to criticize the front office for any move they make. Yeah. That's their job. Uh, that's what's not. Right. what's not fair is assuming that whatever move they make is going to be bad automatically just because they made it. That's not fair. So yeah, it depends on how you interpret the question.

So yeah, if I interpreted it like, time, my answer would probably be closer to his, but I didn't. Right, right. That's going to do it for our show. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Marries podcast for Colby Patnode. I'm Tadangazas. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Marrers. You can follow me at Dan Gonzalez, S-D-A-N-Z and Colby at C-Pad-E-E-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-A-T-E-T-1-1.

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