Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Mariners Had One of the Best Starting Rotations in Baseball

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

Colby and Ty hand out season grades to the Mariners' five primary starting pitchers in 2023: Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller, and Bryan Woo.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mar...iners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11Giveaway terms and conditions!Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Jase MedicalSave more than $360 by getting these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical plus an additional $20 off by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.  eBay MotorsKeep your ride-or-die alive at ebay.com/motors. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase.FanDuelMake Every Moment More.Make Every Moment More. Right now, NEW customers can bet FIVE DOLLARS and get TWO HUNDRED in BONUS BETS - GUARANTEED. Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.SleeperDownload the Sleeper app and use promo code LOCKEDON and you'll get up to a $100 match on your first deposit. Terms and conditions apply. See Sleeper’s Terms of Use for details. Currently operational in over 30 states. Check out Sleeper today!FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:47 A link as well as our social accounts is in the description of this episode. On the show today, we're handing out season grades to the mayor's five main starting pitchers in 2023. And we're going to start, of course, with Luis Castillo, who statistically speaking had one of the arguably five, six best seasons of any starting pitcher in the American League. 334 ERA, 381 FIP. That's the same as his ex-fip.
Starting point is 00:01:12 He was worth 3.4 F4, 10.01 case per nine, 256 walks per nine, over 1097 innings pitch. 33 starts. He finished the year with a 14 and 9 record. Colby, what did you think of Castillo in his first full season as a mariner? He was pretty good. The numbers speak for themselves, but this is why we often warn against box score scouting.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Castillo wasn't quite as good as he was last year with Seattle. You know, certainly we saw very little of a playoff Luis this year, and in particular, when he needed him most, he didn't show up for the last two starts of the year. So I think when you kind of factor in the inconsistencies that Luis had this year, You factor in his failure in those last two starts. I don't think I can go any higher than a B. I think he said overall, he was still very good.
Starting point is 00:02:13 And he took the ball every five days. He avoided injury, which has been an issue in the past with him. He gave you five or more innings in every start except for his last one, the most important one, but whatever. So, yeah, you know, overall, it's still a good year. The numbers are good. He probably is going to get Cy Young votes. Like he was good.
Starting point is 00:02:35 And for a large chunk of the season, you know, he was, he was, you know, your best pitcher. Maybe not your most consistent, but certainly your best. So, you know, it's tough to be that hard on a guy who's probably going to finish in the top five or six of the Syong boat, who, you know, posted as often as he did, who put up the numbers that he did. But I think when you look at consistency and when you look at, you know, what he did in those big must win starts, now he kind of fell flat. He fell flat and, you know, he wasn't consistent enough throughout the year. He had, you know, months where he was great and they need to have a month where he was terrible
Starting point is 00:03:12 and then just kind of painfully mediocre for a month. And you're just kind of waiting for some level of consistency and it just never really showed up. So, you know, overall good year for Castillo. You're still glad you made that trade. It makes you better. Castillo is still a big part of this thing going forward for the next four or five years. But, you know, the letdown at the end has to weigh pretty heavy here. And when you're the de facto ace of your staff and you fall flat in those big moments,
Starting point is 00:03:41 you have to be graded on a curve here. So, you know, if Miller or Wu or Kirby or whoever did this, it'd probably be an A. But Castillo has to be that guy. He has to be the guy who kind of carries the weight of those playoffs style starts. And we know we can do it. Obviously, his start in Toronto was incredible. and start against the Astros and the following series
Starting point is 00:04:05 was pretty darn good. So it's just one of those things where, you know, we know he can't do it. He just failed this time around. And there's some reasons for that in terms of his consistency and where he struggled this year.
Starting point is 00:04:19 But yeah, overall, just factoring all that in, I think it's probably a B. Yeah, I'll go B plus because again, the numbers are great. He's going to,
Starting point is 00:04:28 as you said, probably going to finish, you know, top five, top six in American League Cy Young voting. Like that's a really, really good year, no matter how you slice it. But I also think this is a very good example of pitcher numbers, pitcher statistics, not necessarily lining up with the I-Tes.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I watched all 33 of Cassio starts this year. And specifically those last, you know, 12 to 14-ish starts of the year for him weren't great. I mean, I'm sure some of you remember. us saying like he's really playing with fire here and it feels like he's going to get God if he doesn't figure it out and that's mostly because he had a very inconsistent slider and a very inconsistent change up the fast balls were great four seamer the two seamer were great pretty much all year long fantastic pitches some of the best pitches and all the baseball this year but the slider had some real command issues not really control issues but command issues like he was fine in the strike zone
Starting point is 00:05:28 but he was oftentimes catching too much plate with that slider, and opponents were punishing him for that. And that's one of the reasons that he posted the highest hard hit rate of his entire career and the highest barrel percentage of his entire career this year. He also wasn't able to keep the ball on the ground, which is not typical for him. He's usually been around that 46 to 56% ground ball rate. He was at 38.9% this year.
Starting point is 00:05:55 That's the first time he's ever fallen below 40%. in his entire career. So just a really strange year for Luis and, you know, over those last 12 to 14 starts, I mean, even on the nights that he was getting away with it and he was only given up, you know, one to two runs, he was still walking, you know, three to four guys. And he was playing with fire a lot of the time over basically the course of the second
Starting point is 00:06:20 half of his, of his season. You know, you think about that start in Tampa where he went, what, seven scoreless, but he walked four. Like he was walking the tightrope there. And then, you know, as we've said in the past with guys like Logan Gilbert, you know, before this season and Bryce Miller this year, like,
Starting point is 00:06:40 you can have a great fastball and get away with it on some nights. But if you don't have quality and consistent secondaries, once you run into really good lineups, you're probably going to get gotten. That's what happened to Castillo against the Astros and the Rangers and those final two starts. So really strange year for Cassio. And again, you know, it wasn't really a control issue because simultaneously,
Starting point is 00:07:05 along with the career highs in, you know, hard hit rate and barrel percentage, he posted a career low in walk rate, which is really good, right? So even though that I, you know, I mentioned all those walks that he had and all those struggles that he had over the last 12 to 14 starts of his season, he still was able to post that career low in walk rate. So it's just, it's a very similar conversation to the, one that we had about Julio yesterday, right, where it's like the overall numbers look great, but there's a lot of context here that has to be combed through. And so again, when I look at
Starting point is 00:07:40 Cassio's year and who he has to be in this rotation, the guy that he has to be, after watching all 33 of these starts, ignoring what the numbers say and just going off of what I saw with my eyes, it wasn't good enough, especially in that second half. So I'll still give him a B, Plus, like I said, because the numbers are so good, because he's going to finish, you know, high in the Cy Young voting. But there's a lot that he needs to approve upon, but still very good season for Luis Castillo. So we're going to be talking about George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, and the rest in just a moment. But first, a reminder of this episode of the Lockdown Marys podcast is brought to you by Jace Medical. Modern medical care and treatment are important, but our global supply chains are fragile.
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Starting point is 00:09:20 Colby, do you have the cards there still to show on the screen? Yep. Sure do. What are you offering up? So first up, we have this Matt Brash autograph card. Then we have, oh, is it Miller next or is it Wu? It is Miller next. Miller time.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Other time. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Nobody's ever made that joke. Good one. Bryce Miller autograph card right there. And then we have Brian Wu right there. No one's ever said that before. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:11:19 And, you know, maybe we'll be dressed up and getting spooky. on Halloween. Full terms and conditions for the giveaway are in the description of this episode. So, all right, let's get back to our starting pitching grades here, Colby. Let's go to George Kirby here. Let's talk about George, who had his first full season in Seattle, 335 ERA, not too far off from Luis Castillo, 334-5P, 363 X-FIP. He was worth 4.4-4-812 case per 9. just a 0.90 walks per 9. That's the lowest walk rate in all of Major League Baseball amongst all qualified starting pitchers.
Starting point is 00:12:03 And that was over 190 and two-thirds innings pitch. 31 starts. He went 13 and 10 on the year. Colby, what did you think about George's first full season in Seattle? Really good, you know, ran into some controversy in the middle of the year. That was, you know, self-inflicted. But no need to rehash that.
Starting point is 00:12:24 He was very good. Now, again, there was a long stretch where he was not very good. And that did skew the numbers. After that incredible start against Baltimore, where he went nine scoreless innings, you know, he struggled the next few times out. The next four or five times out, he really struggled. And he put up some stinkers against some really mediocre teams. So that does have to weigh in here.
Starting point is 00:12:47 But aside from that one stretch, he was pretty darn good the entire season. And, you know, he threw my favorite pitch of the entire year, a knuckleball to Corey Seeger, a filthy knuckleball, I might add. I think it had an RPM of 1.45. So that is definitely Wakefield like the fastball velocity maintained. He didn't seem like a guy who was tiring. I don't think that the struggles he had in September were about fatigue. You know, he was able to push through. and he made a pretty sizable jump up to 190 innings,
Starting point is 00:13:24 and, you know, he didn't lose any command or control off of that. You know, the numbers are pretty darn good. Like, he's a legit, Cy Young candidate going into next year, and maybe he gets some down-ballot votes this year as well. But, no, he's right there with Castillo and contention to be the Mariners, you know, quote-unquote ace. It was a good step forward for him. Still some things to work on there's always going to be,
Starting point is 00:13:49 but he's only in his, you know, second, he'll be entering his second full season, uh, this next spring. So plenty of time, uh, he's going to throw strikes. The fastball,
Starting point is 00:14:00 the four seam and the two seam both have value. Um, we started to see kind of a more of a cutter, uh, being added instead of a, a traditional slider. Uh, so it looks like,
Starting point is 00:14:09 you know, it's, it's four seam two seam cutter, curve ball, uh, split and maybe a knuckle ball. Who knows. So,
Starting point is 00:14:17 uh, and we know, we did see the split actually, uh, help out too. So Kirby's a guy who's going to continue to tinker. He's going to get better. But as for what he did this year, you know, do you have to, you know, weigh those starts in September a little bit here. But I think overall this is B plus, A minus territory. He was, he was really good in 2023. And yet we still think there's more there because there is. And that's
Starting point is 00:14:41 a really exciting sign. All right. Don't straddle the fence. B plus or A minus. What is it? A minus. I'm going to go any minus as well. I'm going to go any minus this. Yeah, very good year. I would say this about Kirby. I think he's the second most untouchable player in the Mariners entire organization. I would agree with that.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, absolutely. I think honestly, I think the margin's pretty big. I think Kirby is, whether it be in 2024 or 2025, going to take a very large step and to become one of the true elite pitchers in Major League Baseball. I mean, he has what it takes. He has the elite command. Now he doesn't necessarily have overwhelming stuff,
Starting point is 00:15:22 and that was a little bit of an issue for him this year, especially when teams got very aggressive against him. I'm very interested to see how he tries and counters that in 2024. But the sky is really the limit for George. So, yeah, great season for George. Love pretty much everything that we saw. I mean, yeah, there was some inconsistencies here and there, but we also got to see the guy that we saw in game three of the ALDS at times as well.
Starting point is 00:15:45 When you look at that game against Baltimore, which... Why couldn't you have just scored a couple runs that night? Because it was Felix. It was Felix night. That's why. Yeah. The script was too perfect. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:15:59 So let's talk about Logan Gilbert now. 373 ERA 376 X-FIPP 385 FIP. He was worth 3.2 F4-8992Ks per 9. 170 walks per 9 over just like Kirby, 190 and two-thirds innings pitch. That's 32 starts. 13 and 7 record for Gilbert. What did you think about his year?
Starting point is 00:16:24 Might have been the most consistent Mariner, you know, just throughout the year. But consistently not quite as good as Castillo and Kirby. So you kind of have to weigh, you know, how valuable is consistency versus performance? Gilbert was still very good. And once again, you know, we're talking about a guy who it's not hard to see how he can take
Starting point is 00:16:44 yet another step forward next year and really kind of jump up. up into that four-win range that Kirby and Castile are in. So overall, Logan, you know, he improved his off-speed stuff. The splitter is a legitimate weapon that he's going to continue to refine. That's going to get better. We saw more of consistency with the slider. And even through the curveball a little bit more, just dropped it in, stole a couple strikes.
Starting point is 00:17:08 And obviously the fastball is going to be Logan's bread and butter for the foreseeable future. So, yeah, I think when you just kind of look at it, he was very consistent. He was very solid all year. had a couple dominant outings. Of course, the complete game shutout on the 4th of July. Against the Giants really stands out. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:17:26 Logan had another really good year. Didn't quite take as big of a leap as I was hoping. But still, it definitely stepped forward. Obviously, new career high in any needs pitch and all that stuff. Wax went down. He incorporated a new pitch and it just fits seamlessly with his, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:43 repertoire. So, yeah, I think that I think, Gilbert probably gets a B plus, you know, maybe a B. Like it seems weird to grade him higher than Luis Castillo because Cassio did have better numbers, but there is some consistency with Gilbert that you didn't really get with Luis. So, yeah, I think, you know, B, B plus somewhere like 86%. And we were grading on a math test.
Starting point is 00:18:10 So, yeah, I mean, if you want Castillo higher than him, I guess that's fine. But like, I think at the end of the year, I'd rather have Gilbert on the mound, than Castillo and that that does weigh into my grades a little bit I was actually going to give him an A because contextually speaking I think it's very different than than grading Castillo. He's Gilbert's still
Starting point is 00:18:30 young and still kind of finding his feet and you think this year I felt Kirby huh? Well I think it's how should I put this? I take away more positives from Gilbert's year than Kirby just because I feel like this year was
Starting point is 00:18:48 the proof of concept for Gilbert that he can become a complete pitcher, right? We talked all offseason about the splitter. We heard about it all offseason about the splitter and we're like, yeah, whatever, you know, guys come up with new pitches all the time. Let's actually see it in action. And then we saw it and like right out of the gate, it was an absolute weapon for him. And like you mentioned, his secondaries became legit offerings for him. So while there's still a couple more steps forward that I'd like to see him take. I think this was a very successful year for Logan Gilbert. And I'm really excited to see how he builds on top of this.
Starting point is 00:19:23 All right. So up next, the two young guys, Bryce Miller and Brian Wu, who of course were giving away their cards. If you guys subscribe, that is, you guys have to do your part in order for us to give away those cards. We're going to talk about those guys, hand out some grades to them. Just a moment.
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Starting point is 00:20:38 398 FIP 431 X FIP He was worth 1.9 FIP 815 Ks per 9 178 walks per 9 over 131 and a third innings pitched over 25 starts finished with a record
Starting point is 00:20:54 of 8 and 7 Colby what did you think about Miller this year really promising rookie year you know obviously you know the ERA is not amazing but the FIP is pretty good.
Starting point is 00:21:07 And it all kind of, you know, looks like a number four starter, which, you know, for a rookie is pretty good that you just step in and you're just a number four starter. And like Gilbert, like Kirby, there's still more there. You know, Miller basically did most of this with just a fastball. So pretty impressive. Again, very similar to what Logan Gilbert did his rookie year. So obviously, yes, he has to get the, he has to get the slider figured out. or some off speed pitch figured out.
Starting point is 00:21:37 He has to find value in something other than the fastball. But overall, for a 25-year-old rookie, 24-year-old rookie for most of the year, you know, he was a number four starter, a legitimate number four starter, you know, in pretty much any rotation, like, that's a really good year for a rookie. And set a career high in innings pitch didn't really need to be, you know, babyed or the baby's not the right word, didn't need to be, like, protected with his innings cap all that much. you know, we saw it a few times. They take him out at 75 pitches after five or whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And yeah, there were a few blow-up starts in there. But again, this is a rookie pitcher 24 years old, basically doing it with one pitch. So I think when you kind of look at context here and you kind of look at his season in totality, it's hard not to be excited about Miller. And you can see why he's going to be a very popular trade target for a lot of other teams this winter. There's a lot to like here. He threw strikes, you know, sub two based on ball per nine. That's huge.
Starting point is 00:22:37 You know, and we saw glimpses of a good slider and Miller is a guy that, you know, we know there's more in there. He's, he's always tinkering. He's got three different sliders. Like maybe he adds a cutter or maybe it's,
Starting point is 00:22:48 it's, you know, he adds a fork ball or something. Who knows what he might do? So, uh, Miller, there's a lot to be excited about here.
Starting point is 00:22:55 As for his 20, 23 season, I think you got to give it like an a minus, uh, because he, you know, considering expectations, considering how he kind of,
Starting point is 00:23:05 came up to the big leagues before the Mariners, I'm sure, wanted him to. He kind of got forced into that spot a little bit. And he came through and he posted every five days and he was pretty darn good. Yes, again, there were some blowup starts. There were blowups starts with every Mariners starter. But that doesn't really weigh down as much when you're a 24-year-old rookie as it does when you are a 30-year-old, highly paid number one starter. So Miller, I think to me, it's, you know, A-minus. and there's a lot of exciting stuff happening here.
Starting point is 00:23:36 And we'll see if he's in the organization, you know, four months from now. But if he is, he's certainly earned a spot in that rotation. And he's probably pretty set. You know, as I don't think,
Starting point is 00:23:48 I don't think he's the guy who's losing his rotation spot. If the Mariners did go out and add like Sonny Gray or Blake Snell. I think he's safe unless they trade him. Right. I'll match you on the grade. I'll go a minus as well, especially, given the circumstances,
Starting point is 00:24:05 given what the situation called for, the circumstances of the Mariners' rotation with the injuries that occurred and all that, and Miller kept them afloat on the back end of the rotation, and then some. Like, he was fantastic at times. I mean, his first three starts were
Starting point is 00:24:21 incredible. And then he had some really good starts like the one down in Houston, right? Like, there was some really, really big time moments from Bryce Miller this season. And again, that's pretty much with just the fastball work I mean, at times he flashed some quality secondaries, but he really,
Starting point is 00:24:37 really needs to tinker with those and get those things right. Because, you know, he's like we talked about with Cassio. You're not going to survive with just a fastball. I mean, you might get away with it on some nights, but you really need to flesh out your repertoire in order to sustain success as a major league starter.
Starting point is 00:24:56 So, and keep, you know, opponents off balance, right? So that's going to be the big key for him in 2024, for especially if he if he sticks in in seattle and we're going to be talking about that quite a bit over the course of the off season i'm sure with miller if he stays in seattle uh but overall i i think you have to be thrilled with what you receive uh from him given everything that happened this year with uh with the injuries and and all that uh so lastly brian woo here for our starting pitcher
Starting point is 00:25:22 grades 421 er ray so close to being nice so close to doing the memes there uh 436 phip 426 x5 He was worth one F4 flat, 955 Ks per 9, 318 walks per 9, 87.2 innings pitched, 18 starts with a record of 4 and 5. Wu's career unalike Bryce Miller did not get off to a particularly good start. Marco Gonzalez wound up on the IL, which wound up being a season ending thing for Marco, and Wu was just kind of thrust into making his major league debut. against, well, the best offense in all the baseball this year in the Texas Rangers, and he got shellacked. But from that point forward, he was pretty good. I mean, he had a couple of blowups here and there.
Starting point is 00:26:12 He had a couple of starts where he was just really playing with fire, and it looked like he got pretty gas there towards the end. I mean, of course, he's only a couple of years removed from Tommy John's surgery. This was essentially his first full season pitching at the professional level as well. So what did you think about Wu's rookie season? Yeah, you know, you consider everything when you try and come up with a grade here. And you look at Wu, Wu's interestingly enough, has thrown about 189 innings in professional baseball. And like 87 of them have come in the big leagues. So that shows you how fast he moved.
Starting point is 00:26:51 This is the guy who didn't pitch a ton in college either. When the Mariners drafted him, he was coming off of Tommy John. Then last year, he kind of makes his full season debut. and he jumps through three levels and he goes 57 innings. And now this year he jumps drastically up to 131 innings. Like that's a huge jump, especially for a guy who didn't really have a normal buildup in college. So I think when you look at like, hey, he wore it down down the stretch.
Starting point is 00:27:16 I think that's pretty easy to understand why and it's hard to hold that against him. It's not really anything he did. It's just the limitations of his body as he hasn't built up yet. So, you know, the strikeout numbers are nice. the walks, they're not bad at, what was the 3.2? That's not bad. It's a little higher than you would like. And when you look at the rest of the Mariners rotation,
Starting point is 00:27:36 it really stands out as, wow, that guy has walk issues. But I think overall, you know, we did see some really good stuff with the two seamer towards the end of the year. That really started to be an out pitch that he could use against lefties. Still really needs to figure that out. Needs a change up, needs a slider. There's lots to work on here. But it's a really smooth delivery.
Starting point is 00:27:55 It's a fastball that sits 94 to 95, but it plays up because of how smooth the delivery is. It just there's a lot to like here with Brian Wu. And again, it's not hard to see why Brian Wu is a guy who a lot of teams are going to call about this winter. So overall, I think Wu, considering circumstance and considering that he kind of got rushed to the big leagues well before the Mariners would have wanted him to be here, which caused him to, you know, throw more innings more consistently than I'm sure the Mariners were planning on. when you consider all that, I think you have to give Wu pretty much the same grade
Starting point is 00:28:31 you give Miller, maybe a little bit less because the numbers weren't quite as good. So B plus, A minus. Yeah, I'll go B plus. Yeah, I'm going to go B plus on him. But yeah, I mean, we saw flashes of a really good pitcher here. We saw flashes from the two seamer, like you mentioned, and the cutter. Looked pretty good at times, especially against the A's and what the second to last start of his season, I believe.
Starting point is 00:28:53 I think the mayor should be very excited about what they potentially have here once he starts to get rampant up more. And I'm very excited about him in 2024 if they, if they don't trade him. So I'll go B plus because again, you know, numbers weren't fantastic. But again, given the context of everything, I don't really see how you could go any lower than that. Yeah. That's going to do it for our show. Now, we're going to try something new here for the listeners that stick into the end. We're going to ask you guys a question of the day now towards the end of the episode to see how many of you guys are actually paying attention. So let us know the answer to the question of the day down in the
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