Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Mariners Have Won 10 in a Row! Is More Help on the Way?

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

The Mariners have won their 10th game in a row for the first time since 2001 and did so without Ty France, who continues to look far from 100 percent in his return from an elbow injury. Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode discuss what to do with France, if a deal for Guardians right-handed pitcher Triston McKenzie and second baseman Amed Rosario would work and whether or not the team should cross off all unvaccinated players from their list of trade targets due to the looming possibility of playing in Toronto for the postseason.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] up to date with all things Mariners at Inside the Mariners - a FanNation website covering the Seattle Mariners on the Sports Illustrated network.Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11 | @InsideMarinersFor more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/Blue NileMake your moment sparkle with jewelry from Bluenile.com, and LOCKED ON SPORTS listeners get $50 off purchases of $500 or more using code LOCKEDON.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Well, it wasn't a trap after all. The Mariners swept their double header with the nationals and have now won 10 games in a row for the first time since 2001. But instead of talking about a relatively boring 2 to 1 win last, we're going to look at a trade idea. One of our listeners submitted. And then we're going to talk about Thai Francis Health and whether or not the loom in possibility of going to Toronto for the playoffs should keep Seattle from targeting unvaccinated players at the deadline on today's episode of Lockdown Mariners. Colby, hit it. You are locked on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day.

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We're going to be talking about a fun trade idea that one of our listeners submitted to us on Twitter. We're also going to be talking about unvaccinated players because a lot of the guys that could be on the Mariners radar are unfortunately unvaccinated. And that could create some issues in terms of the playoffs and potentially going to Toronto. So we'll be talking about whether. the risk outweighs the reward on that front. But first, let's get into last night's game a little bit. Like I said, we're not going to go too deep into the game because it was kind of a boring two to one affair between the nationals and the Mariners. The Mariners get a home run from Jesse Winker.

Juan Soto hits a home run in the ninth again for the second game in a row. But it ultimately doesn't matter because the nationals are bad and really couldn't generate any offense outside of what Soto was able to give them. and the Mariners ultimately survived some command issues throughout this pitching staff, whether it was Chris Flex and Paul Seawald. Matt Brash kind of lost it towards the end of his outing as well. But the Mariners were able to secure their 10th win in a row. It's the first time in 20 years. They have won 10 games in a row.

Colby, how are you feeling? It's great. A lot of fun. The Mariners are winning in different ways. And they're winning in ways that you kind of have to win in to have a 10 games. win streak. It's incredibly hard to win one game. It's incredibly hard to win five in a row. To do it 10 times, you kind of have to beat an ace. And they did that in Manoa. Sometimes you have to walk off closer, or you have to have these come from behind victories,

or you have these victories where you put up five runs in the first, and then you don't score, and you'll hold on for a five to four minutes. And they've scored early. They've scored late. They've won in blowouts. They've won in close games. They've won in one-run games. They've kind of won in every way you could possibly imagine. And to have a 10-game win-street. you're going to have to do that because you're not always going to play your best. And the Mariners yesterday, quite honestly, didn't play that well. There were a lot of mistakes. The offense, pretty non-existent outside of the four home runs, five home runs that were hit yesterday,

which sounds weird to say, but it's true. And you mentioned, the pitching was kind of able to work around the danger of the nationals lineup and really attack the weaker parts of it and that helped them you know secure a couple of wins so the mariners are winning when they're not playing well they're playing great and then you know blowing out teams they're playing great and you know hitting the seventh inning home run off of the ace or they're hitting the eighth inning home run off of a you know top in reliever and they're winning in all these different ways so it's pretty hard to be uh it's pretty hard to be pessimistic about the mariners but but that's why i'm here do it for you guys so

I'm sure all the folks on the comments are not in their head. They're totally in full agreement. And I'm sure they all appreciate the pessimism as well, of course. So one guy who was absent from the Mariners lineup last night, however, was Thai France, who did play in game one. And of course, he's been dealing with the elbow injury that he sustained back in Oakland, did not go on a rehab assignment, returned on Thursday ahead of the, Mariner series with the Blue Jays, a very big series. They wanted to get him back. He apparently wanted to get back as well. But since then, he's two for 20. And you know, that's not as necessarily

bad in and of itself, you know, slumps happen. But outside of that, he has looked not 100%, not even close to 100% since coming back. Even yesterday during the game, he was kind of massaging that area in between pitches during his abats. and looked kind of like he was grimacing a couple times on some plays at first base. Obviously had to stretch quite a bit for one overthrow by J.P. Crawford, a great play by France. But he did look like he was not in the best of comfort there after that play happened. And then, of course, he was not in the lineup last night. So, you know, what should the Mariners do here with Ty France if he is not feeling great?

Because ultimately at the end of the day, it's probably not helping the team if he's not playing at full percent. So, you know, do you IL him again? Do you just bench him for the most part over the next four games and then head into the All-Star break where he's going to get a few days off naturally? What do you do here? I'm putting him back on the IL. You know, you get the four-game series in Texas. Obviously, you would like to have France, but he's not helping you right now.

So put him on the IL for four days for this four-game series. then he gets four days off before your next game, which means he could be back in theory by the final game against Houston. You know, you would like to have healthy time. You'd like to have Typrants against the Astros in those first two games, but if he's not healthy, he's not going to help you. Santana's done more than enough here. Dillor has done a really nice job stepping up and hitting over the last couple of weeks

to kind of pick up that slack. I mean, how much longer do you want to push that? I don't know. but you know this version of Thai France is not helping anybody and the more you play him you know the more damage

more or less he's doing to that that elbow I would just send him back I would just send him back to the IL just not working and you give him 10 full days off and he could in theory only end up missing you know seven games because of the all-star break so I think you should use the all-star break to your advantage

I don't know if you can retroactive retroactivated the DL's IL stint to yesterday because he did play yesterday, but he didn't play in the last game. And typically, you don't play in the last game, you can backdate an IL. So if you can do that, then you can be back by the second game in the Astro Series if he's actually feeling better. But this looks eerily similar to when he had the wrist injury and he tried to come back really quick.

And it just was clear he was not healthy. And then once he got healthy, he was Thai France again. So a healthy tie france is way, a healthy tie france for the last, let's say, 50 games of this year is a lot more valuable to the Mariners than a 75% tie France for 70 games. So they have no reason to push it. They have Santana in their back pocket. They can go make another move. They want another bat. I send them back to the I.L.

I really don't think it's, I really don't think it should be open for discussion. I think it's the obvious thing to do. And worth noting, although it's. maybe nothing. Marcus Wilson was removed from the game last night in Tacoma. It would seem to be that would be because somebody is either being sent down, DFA or put on the IL. And I mean, that pretty clearly would seem to indicate Tyrants. So we'll see what that's about.

But it is more throwing out there that Marcus Wilson was removed without injury from the Rainier's game last night. And I think we can say that he's not a part of a trade package. no no yeah so you know at the end of the day like you said the type healthy typh france is way more valuable to the mariners than him just trying to push this and force the issue and so you know while it hurts right now in the interim you can survive it you've built yourself enough of a buffer now where you can survive it and you have enough of a safeguard there and carlos santana to survive it so i think if both parties agree here that it uh nile steele still is probably the best outcome here.

They shouldn't hesitate to do it. Yeah, Jerry mentioned on his radio hit this morning that, you know, he didn't like he was worried about it long term, but he did admit, you know, Todd is struggling right now to work through this and he's not quite himself. And to me, that's just for the good of the player, forget the team for a second, for the good of the player, put him on the aisle, let him get healthy.

Let's not forget you should, in theory. And it's certainly at this point headed that way. should be getting Kyle Lewis back, probably right after the All-Star break. So with Santana at first base and Lewis, D-Hing while you wait for France to be back, and then Hanegger should be making a rehab appearance here in the next two weeks or so. You can survive. You want Thai France? Yes, but you want healthy Thai-France.

This version of Thai-France, not really helping you. All right. So we are going to be looking at a trade idea that one of our listeners proposed in just a moment, but real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by Blue Nile. Whether you're ready to pop the question or you're celebrating a milestone moment, find jewelry as

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So we had a listener of ours message us on Twitter named Maniacal Mariner at Maniac Mariner who says, what about a Ahmed Rosario Tristan McKenzie deal from Cleveland if the M's miss out on Brandon Drury and Luis Castillo. Both deals require heavy prospects slash MLB talent and have some form of immediate help and control. So Colby, what do you think about this idea? I like the idea. Rosario is certainly an upgrade at second base.

You know, he still is playing shortstop mostly right now. And he's kind of at shortstop. So playing second should help him. He's a right-handed bat. He's got some pop. can steal a bag, although it's not really his thing. He's a definite upgrade. He's an everyday player.

You get him for a year and a half. The Tristan McKinsey part is really interesting because we've seen McKinsey a few of times and he's looked great at times. He's looked bad at times. But he certainly has tremendous stuff. And you get him through the 2026 season. So this is not even a Luis Castillo type of, you know, one and a half year guy. This is almost four and a half years of a guy who is right now,

You know, 347 ERA, little misleading. 84 strikeouts, is a 93 inning. CIS have 457. You know, doesn't walk guys. Strikes out a fair amount of guys, at least this year. Pretty good curve ball. He could picture. He's probably more a ceiling of a number three guy.

But right now, he's throwing the ball pretty well. I think he's a good fit. I think the Mariners would like him. And he is certainly a very creative answer to the Mariners. can't get this guy or this guy well let's go get a guy who's maybe a cheer below but has four more years of club control uh it's it's going to cost probably a little bit more than it went to go get castillo but if you do miss out on those two guys and i think you know going and and essentially this is kind of the uh the jazz chisholm for zach gallon trade on steroids uh idea from a few

years ago and i like it it likes it like the like the uh tweet says it's it's It's going to be pricing and there might be some sticker shock there. But I actually really like this idea as a kind of creative solution to a problem, which is there's not a ton of starting pitchers out there that can really impact the Mariners. And, you know, and there's a lot of teams that want it. So I think Cleveland is a good fit in terms of a trade package too. Yeah, yeah, Cleveland is a great fit for the Mariners, I would think, because the Mariners do have some intriguing. major league pieces and prospect capital as well. The thing with McKenzie, though, where I have some pause here is how much do you think he

actually helps you right now in 2022? How much does he help you right now? Because I mean, I love the upside of Tristan McKenzie. I just, I love the pitcher in general. You know, he's only 24 years old right now. I mean, he's 6 foot 5 and 165 pounds. At least that's how fan grabs has him listed. And honestly, he might even be lighter than that when you look at him.

But, you know, he. exactly so you know but like so far he hasn't hit his what his perceived ceiling is and so i don't know if that's necessarily going to help you a ton this year is he better than chris flexen probably is he better than marco gonzalez maybe is he better than george kirby right now or gives you more upside than george kirby or gives you more stability than george kirby i don't know at least terms of this year in terms of 2022 in the future yes absolutely but this is a deal

that I don't know if the Mariners get significantly better on the pitching front for this season so that's kind of where I get hung up a little bit because I think if the Mariners are going to try and go out and spend legit capital on starting

pitching it needs to be someone that helps them right away and I just I don't know because I mean this would be your big trade. This would probably be your big trade of the summer. And I just don't know if that's enough. I don't know if that's enough. Well, let me ask you this. Just

let's let's ignore Rosario, which is a huge piece of this. That we should. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. That is without a doubt a massive upgrade. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At the second base. Would you trade Jared Keltnik with Tristan McKinsey straight up?

Straight up. Ooh. Yeah. I think that's probably about what, because You look at Cleveland, they always develop pitching. They're very good at developing pitching. They need young talented offensive players. And they have Tyler Freeman, Noel Jones, but they don't have a lot in that outfield.

Miles Strawsman is a disaster of them this year. They're running out. Brandtrial, I think, fairly regularly. Like, they need to be outwears. And Kellnick is a guy who, you know, like McKinsey, has plenty of club control. He's young. I think Kellnick is a year younger than McKinsey. but McKinsey has a longer track record of success.

So I think that is a pretty interesting way to, you know, like I think Calmic certainly has higher upside, but. Yeah, I don't think the, I don't think the guardians would do that. I think they might. Because, really? I mean, because like McKinsey's already thrown, like he's going to eclipse 100 innings again for the second season in a row.

He's had success at the big league level. Yeah, there's, you know, the underlying numbers aren't. great. You know, you got a 495 ERA last year, a 3, 4,7 ERA this year with 4-7 with a 457 FEP. You know, so I get like there hasn't, like he hasn't been a absolute stud right out of the gate, but also he's been able to stick at the major league level, whereas with Kelnick, he hasn't. And Kellnick's also a corner outfielder at this point. And those guys only have so much value. And I know the upside is, is, you know, ridiculous with Kelnick. And I still believe in him a ton. I just, I don't know, you know, because of the premium that's on starting pitching in this league now, I don't know if the Guardians would do that, just straight up.

But I think Kelnick is a very interesting piece for Cleveland as well as Taylor Tremel. Yeah. I wouldn't be shocked at the Mariners were able to trade like Taylor Tremel for Rosario. And they'd have that a little bit more just because Rosario has a lot of track record. The Rosario is a league average bat. I mean, we're not talking about an All-Star. We're talking about that. No, yeah.

You know, a 100 to 110 WRC plus guy who you're kind of hoping has his breakout in the next, you know, year and two months. But he still doesn't up because you're running well below average bats out at second base right now. And Tremel, I love Taylor, but he is a bit, I want to say redundant. But there's a pecking order. And I also I also bet that Cleveland's probably pretty interested in Kyle Lewis, which. if he checks out healthy, which big concerns. So I just think Seattle and Cleveland

match up really well. There are teams that could trade major league pieces to each other to try and complete their rosters. So the fact that they're both, you know, kind of chasing the same playoffs spot, I don't think that's going to get in the way of those two teams. And also, you know, Cleveland's done this before. They traded major leaguers for major leaguers at the deadline.

Remember the Trevor Bauer train? I think that's the trade that got them for Ram Lerrae. And people are like, wow, that's a dump trade. It worked for Cleveland. They did well in that deal. Cleveland's definitely a team that is, you know, a couple of things. They're cheap. They can develop starting pitching.

And they're not up right to trade major league pieces for major league pieces at the deadline. That kind of, you know, profile has bored itself out for the last few years. So I think Seattle Cleveland make a lot of sense together. Tristan McKenzie, if the Mariners believe they can get something out of him that he hasn't shown yet at the big league level, I think they would be pretty aggressive on this. But I'm not convinced that they think that about McKinsey. But I do think it's a very interesting idea. Well, thank you for the submission Mariners maniac. And if you listening at home have a trade idea or a trade proposal, be sure to send them into us on Twitter at L.O. underscore Mariners or via email at Lockdown Mariners at gmail.mail.

We're going to be doing more, you know, fan fiction Friday type of shows over the coming weeks. Probably at least one of them next week during the all-star break because we're going to have a lot to talk about during the all-star break. So yeah. So be on the lookout for that because we'll probably let you guys know when we're actually looking for those for sure. So next up, we're going to be talking about unvaccinated players and the impact that that has on the possibility of going to Toronto. Toronto and playing in the playoffs in Toronto and those guys being available or not available. So we'll get into all that in just a moment. But real quick, a reminder of this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by BetOnline.

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So the Royals, if you haven't seen it yet, are going to be without 10 players. Nearly half of their roster is not going to Toronto for their upcoming series with the Blue. is because of vaccination status. And this includes several players that we have talked about for the Mariners, Michael A. Taylor, Andrew Benatendi, Witt Merrifield. And on top of that, Brandon Drury, who we talked about twice on the last two episodes of Lockdown Mariners, is also not vaccinated. He did not make the trip to Toronto when the Reds went up here.

And by here, I mean, you know, I do live here in Toronto. So, but the, uh, a lot of these guys are, are not available to play in Toronto. and that's kind of an issue for the Mariners because there is a possibility. It's not a great possibility. A lot of stuff would have to happen for it to come together. But the Mariners could end up going to Toronto to play the Blue Jays in the playoffs in October.

Two ways that can happen. One, like within the realm of possibility here because the Yankees are likely going to win the east. The Blue Jays are likely not going to storm a huge comeback to win the east. So working with that and working with the idea that the mariners, they're going to make the playoffs it's going to be through the wild card they're either going to face each other and they would either face each other in the alcs or they would face each other where the mariners would go to toronto if toronto finished with the four seed and the

mariners finished with the fifth seed that way the blue jays would host all three games of the wild card round against the mariners um so that's you know kind of iffy because that would also mean that one of Boston or Tampa Bay at least is not making it. I don't really buy that right now, quite frankly. And second of all, the other one would if one of them at least makes it

would end up being the sixth seat, which I also don't really buy right now. And that's not even to mention, you know, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. There's some other teams that are in the mix here as well. So it is a fairly slim chance at the end of the day that the Blue Jays

and the Mariners meet in the postseason where the Mariners actually have to go back to Toronto at some point this year. But it is something that has to be kind of in the back of the team's mind and the back of many teams minds as well at the trade deadline when it comes to these players who are not vaccinated and likely won't be available if they do have to go play the Blue Jays. So I put out a poll on Twitter kind of asking where everyone stands on this, where Mariners fans stand on the situation. and whether or not they want the team to avoid unvaccinated players would be okay with it, but would prefer not to, or would just want them to improve the team by any means necessary. 46.3% of you voted anything to improve the team. 39.3% of the voters voted fine, but preferably not.

And then 14.4% of the voters voted avoid them at all costs. And I honestly, Colby, considering the relative unlikelyhood that the Mariners do face the Blue Jays in that particular instance in the playoffs, I kind of fall in between one and two. And this is from a pure baseball perspective. And this is just a pure circumstance perspective as well as, you know, a lot of the guys that are out there are probably that are available that could actually legitimately help your roster are probably not vaccinated. You know, a lot of the guys that actually fit what the Mariners need right now are not. vaccinated guys that we've talked about. So I think at the end of the day, this is just kind of an inevitability that the Mariners are going to have to acquire at least one of these guys to improve their roster.

How do you feel? It has to be one of these guys. No, I think at the end of the day, you know, right now the Mariners are in a good spot to get in, but they're not in. And so they have to do what they have to do to get in. And we know that by acquiring, you know, one of these guys that we've talked about, they're going to be available as long as they say healthy for all 70 games. You're not going to Canada in the regular season anymore.

So I think it's that. For example, if it's jury and you end up having to go to Toronto, I guess it's a good thing you have Adam Fraser and Dylan Moore, and you just kind of try to make that work and hope that you can get the series back to Seattle or something like that. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do. Their stance on this seems to kind of flipped after. the it was announced that Canada wouldn't allow athletes to to cross the border who run vaccinated.

So I don't know where they stand on that personally. You know, obviously we know about Robbie Ray, his choice. He did not make the trip to Canada, which is something to keep in mind, by the way. If it does happen again, Robbie Ray will he make the trip this time? Who knows? So I think personally for me, I'm like I would, I would, it's just one of those things that you have to back. right and it's maybe it's only a small factor maybe it's a larger factor for the mariners i don't know but it is something that you have to factor into your analysis whether you like it or not

because there is a cost analysis to any player acquisition and a player can't help you in playoff series yeah you know that that lowers his value to you so i do think that you know it's for the mariners in particular it's okay let's let's let's just do a we can to get in the playoffs and we'll deal with it afterwards. But I do think that you may want to put as many a-gings into one basket as possible just in case. One other name to throw in there, Tyler Mallee also did not make that trip. So for Tyler Mallee, I don't think you're going to acquire Tyler Mallee and have Robbie Ray and risk going to Toronto not having either of those guys. So for a guy like Benatendi, for a guy like Taylor, for a guy like Drew.

you probably can make it work. But for a pitcher like Brad Keller, Keller probably is not going to make the Amerers Wild Card starting to change it. I think that might be just a hard pass at that point for a pitcher. I do wonder

if some of these players end up getting vaccinated over the next couple months if they know that there's a decent enough shot that they are going to go to Toronto. I also do wonder if on in that as well if there are going to be stipulations with certain trades where like we will only put this trade through like

Brandon jury right you can either stay in Cincinnati or you can come to Seattle and compete for the postseason but you have to get vaccinated and I wonder if there's like something like that might happen I don't know if Major League Baseball like the I don't know if the front offices have that power like I don't know how hard the MLBPA fought for this and I imagine the MLBPA would possibly have an issue with that just because they always protect the players no matter what.

It doesn't matter what the player, they're going to protect the players. So I don't know. I think that's interesting. Like the Blue Jays certainly think that they can convince somebody to get vaccinated because apparently they're still interested in Andrew Bennett in Toronto plays all their home game. So if they trade for him and he says no, Toronto just gave up a legitimate prospect. It's going to cost a legitimate prospect to get an attendee

to basically not have them for half of the playoff push in any home playoff games. So the Blue Jays think that they can get that that type of thing done. So maybe that's an indicator that other teams do as well. Again, I don't know where the Mariners stand on this as an organization. So I don't know how much you're going to factor it in. But I can guarantee you that front offices are talking about this. It is factoring into their decisions.

Maybe it's a 5% you know tax. Well, even even John Heyman today tweeted that the Yankees are out on Ben attending now. Right. And when it comes to the Yankees, nobody knows them better than Hayman because he's a shell for Major League Baseball in the New York Yankees. I believe that report. And the Yankees are only going to Toronto, I think, once for the rest of the year.

And they're out completely, or at least for now. Yeah. And by the way, they were the only team that was able to bring their full roster to New York or to Toronto this season. So. Yeah, okay. Close. Yeah. Very, very, very close. Very close. Very close. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe it's maybe Yankee policy. We don't know. You know what I mean? So, uh, but apparently, you know, obviously with these trade talks, the, the GMs are aware. They know. Yeah. And so it's interesting. Yankees have been linked to, been attending.

for a few weeks now and then all of a sudden it's announced he's not going to Toronto and now they're saying we're out like you probably knew this was the case two weeks ago so what changed so we'll see how it goes but again this is something that is just a new reality as for this year these type of decisions are going to be scrutinize in trade conversations regardless of where you stand on it major league baseball teams they are going to talk about this and it will factor into their decision on to acquire a player. Maybe not significantly,

but it is absolutely a factor. We are not just, you know, making this up to have something. Yeah. They are absolutely discussing it. Jerry Potto and his staff are discussing it. The Blue Jays are certainly discussing that the Yankees are clearly discussing it.

So this is something that is going to play a role going for it. I can guarantee you. Well, it has already played a big role for the Mariners in particular. I've been told by a couple of sources that this was the reason that they were out on Trevor Story. And, you know, Story ended up getting vaccinated to sign with the Red Sox. But that's also because that's the Red Sox, right? He probably wanted to play for the Red Sox more than he wanted to play for the Mariners.

So, you know, that's just that's where the Mariners stand. Obviously, they signed Robbie Ray, but that was before the lockout. And that was before Canada announced that they were going to bar anyone who was unvaccinated from coming and playing there. So, you know, these things change. These things are very fluid. and you know there's going to be a lot of projection that that is going to have to be done here by the mariners and by a lot of different front offices here and weighing the risk and the reward of going after players that are you know unvaccinated so we'll see how it all goes but again you know the list is pretty short in terms of guys that are going to be available that truly help your roster and a lot of them as far as we know are not vaccinated so the mariners are going to have to do a lot of a lot of a you know projection here with it so just to just to clarify that then uh long segment you're on like just get it done and then figure out later that's i'm kind of in between i'm kind

in between like both options where it's like i'm okay with it but i prefer that they get more safety more you know more predictability more probability rather there you're not crossing any of those guys off the list entirely no no not not in entirely at the moment because again not because of this at least. Yeah, not because of this because it's just there is a very real possibility as much as there is a real possibility

that they do go to Toronto that they don't go to Toronto. There's an even bigger possibility that they don't go to Toronto whatsoever in October and at the end of day like you said you got to do what you can to just get into the playoffs. You want to get into the dance. So if say an opportunity falls in your

lap where you can get Andrew Benetendi and it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg you should probably maybe consider that. Yeah, yeah. I think I'm right there with you. It's like I'd prefer they get somebody I know was going to be available in the playoffs, but it's a seller's market. So you probably won't get to be that picky.

And ultimately you got to get into the playoffs before you can do damage in the playoffs. So if a guy can help me do that, then then I'll take that shot. Yeah, I'm also interested to see how much of a disparity if there are is any between the the amount of trades that we see on the American League side of things and the amount of trades that we see on the National League side of things because the National League I mean let's be real about it the way that the Blue Jays are playing right now they're probably not making the World Series so I don't think National League team should worry about that so yeah also another disadvantage the teams in the AL at least have don't give up on the four seed guys

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