Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Mariners Might Be Cooking Up Something Big With the Cubs and White Sox

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

Rumors of a three-team trade being discussed between the Mariners, White Sox, and Cubs have circulated on Thursday, and even Ty and Colby have heard some things about it. They discuss what the deal could look like, as well as a separate report linking Seattle to Cubs outfielder Cody Bellinger. Then, in honor of one of his favorite Mariners trades of all-time, Colby crafts a 15-player trade proposal involving the M's, Cubs, and White Sox.Check out our Patreon!Follow the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @TyDaneGonzalez | @CPat11Follow the show on Bluesky: @lockedonmariners | @tdg | @mlbcolbySupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.Omaha SteaksFrom legendary steaks to mouthwatering desserts and more, save fifty percent off site-wide at OmahaSteaks.com. Plus, our listeners get an extra thirty dollars off with Promo Code MLB and a thirty-dollar reward card when you shop early.IbottaDownload the FREE Ibotta app now and use code LOCKEDONMLB to get 100% cash back on your Thanksgiving feast starting November 1.FanDuelYou can start the season with a big return on FanDuel. New customers can place a FIVE DOLLAR bet and you’ll get started with ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS - if you win your first FIVE DOLLAR BET ! Visit FANDUEL.COM to get started. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

All right, so the Mariners might be cooking up something big with not just one, but both Chicago teams. Let's talk about it. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, it is Thursday, December 5th, 2024. This is Tyning Azales and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Mariners Podcasts. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day.

We've got some stuff to talk about tonight. There is a very interesting rumor going around today about a potential three-team deal. The mayors have discussed with the White Sox and the Cubs. But before we get into all that, shout out to our title sponsor today, FanDuel. New customers can place a $5 bet and you'll get started with $150 in bonus bets if you win your first $5 bet. Visit FanDuel.com to get started. And if you want to hear from me and Colby even more and help support the show, check out our Patreon. All you have to do is click the link.

in the description of this episode to check that out. All right. So earlier today, Jacob Sonola, who's a Cubs content creator, reported on Twitter, that the Mariners, the Cubs, and the White Sox have been in active negotiations

on a three-team deal, which would see the Cubs acquire left-handed pitcher Garrett Crochet, the Mariners acquire infielder, Nico Horner, And the White Sox prospects, right, as you would expect. And I would assume there are more pieces potentially involved there as well, especially with some of the prospects in the marriage organization that I've heard thrown out there.

And the reason that we're talking about this today is because, yeah, we've heard the same. We've heard that these talks have happened. and considering who we've heard this from, I feel pretty good about saying that, yeah, they've at least had these discussions. Now, it's been reiterated to me multiple times over the course of the day that nothing is close. In fact, Jacob, who had the first report on this,

kind of alluded to the deal falling through as of about, I don't know, 10 or so minutes before we hit record on this thing. But again, they've had discussions about it. Maybe it's dead, but they've had discussions about it. The winter meetings are coming up. And obviously things can quickly change when you get all these baseball execs in one building together. So, yeah.

Again, considering some of the prospects I've heard thrown out there from the mayor's side of things, Harry Ford is a name I've heard. Colt Emerson is a name I've heard. It's possible the mayors would be getting more than just Nico Horner back. in this deal. So, yeah, I don't know how real this is, but I do feel confident that these talks have happened. So, Colby, what do you make of all this?

Yeah. Like you said, I reached the stage now where I'm really confident in saying that talks along these lines have definitely happened. The names were definitely exchanged. This wasn't just kind of a check-in type of situation. I don't know how far along it is or it got, you know, but it is, you know, another, you know, another pretty much confirmed story that the Mariners are pursuing Nico Horner. So that is something that regardless of if these talks lead to anything, we can now pretty safely say the Mariners are in on Nico Horner. They are very much interested in him, which kind of sort of,

predicts the original report from Rosenthal, I believe it was that now the mayors think they're fine at second base. So, whatever. Unless I think Nico Horner is going to play third for them. Sure. I mean, yeah. Whatever. But yeah, so I would say I'm really confident that these talks did take place.

I don't know if they're still ongoing. I don't know if it's dead or if it's, you know, reshuffling or if it's been put on the backburn or whatever, right? we just don't know. Maybe the mayor is on the Cubs just want to hammer out a two-team deal, you know, traditional two-team deal where Horner goes back to Seattle for prospects, whatever. Or maybe the white socks and the Cubs just want to work out a two-team deal for crochet.

Who knows? Right. I mean, it doesn't, just because a deal doesn't get done between all three teams, doesn't mean two separate trades can't be made using, you know, a lot of the names thrown around in these talks as kind of a, a blueprint or kind of a, you know, a starting off point to progress. You know, three team deals are incredibly difficult to come by. The more variables you put into the equation, the harder it is to solve.

So, you know, when you are just talking one-on-one, it's difficult enough to find fits and deals that make sense for you. Now you add a third team. Now you add multiple more players. And every player, every team that you add just is another thing that you have to, you have to solve because you're probably adding a player on your end and then you're adding a player on your end. That team needs to have a player on the end and it gets very complicated, very fast. Well, and also Horners coming off of the surgery. So there's medicals that need to be checked out and all

that stuff, right? Sure. I mean, like crochets definitely would have to go through, you know, a physical and all that stuff as well. So yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, do I think we'll see this deal happen, this type of deal happen? No, I think it's unlikely. at any trade like this happens because that's just the nature of making deals. I mean, I think the Mariners probably make about 1% of the deals that they actually talk about with other teams. And with Jerry and Justin specifically,

they're always willing to listen. They're always willing to, you know, talk, talk things out and see where it goes. So they are constantly talking about deals that never come to fruition. So all I can say with certainty, or at least what I feel is certain is that these three teams did talk and based on the report. Right. And based on the reports that we've seen

over the last few days and what I've heard and what I've been told, it does seem that Nico Horner to Seattle is kind of the big prize for the Mariners in these talks. So. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Again, it's definitely noteworthy.

And, you know, we're a, I don't know, what about a month into the offseason, fully into the off season. Free agents have been able to sign with new teams for about a month now. And we're coming up on the winter meeting. So it's just nice to have any kind of rumor, any kind of speculation that is legitimate. And when it's been as heavily confirmed, I guess, based on, on, you know, what, you're digging up and who we've talked to and all that stuff. Like, yeah, like this is legitimate.

it does have or it did have legs. Again, we don't know if it's dead or if it's ongoing or whatever. I haven't heard that it's dead. The last I heard was, yeah, they're talking. Right. And they very well could be. But like you said, this could be a case where they're just going to work out two separate trades or, you know, maybe this doesn't work at all. But the Mariners still want Horner. And now the Cups know who the white socks want for crochet. Maybe they're, they just trade part, maybe part of the trade package Seattle gives. to get Horner is players that the Cubs didn't want, but now the Cubs know, hey, the White Sox want this guy.

And we want crochet. So that works now too. So, you know, we'll have to wait and see it's, it is interesting. And this one is a lot more real, uh, to me, at least than, uh, the reports we heard yesterday that like, oh, Brian Wu for, for Nico Horner was being talked about. Now that came from the same source.

Right from Jacobs as well yesterday. Right. But that didn't make as much sense as the stuff we're hearing today. Like the stuff we're hearing today in terms of valuations of these players and what it would cost and all that stuff, makes a lot more sense than Woo for Horner straight up. And I don't think the straight up part was ever discussed. I'm sure there were other players involved in that iteration too. But it does tell me that the Mariners have pretty serious and very real and actionable interest in NECRAs.

Horner because they I mean two days in a row we've heard them connected Jude connected him to the Mariners a couple days before this so it does feel like we we kind of know like the Mariners really want Nico Horner and he might be their number one target well and we've we've heard about horner and the merrers for a couple of years really about it last winter I think for the first time yeah maybe in the summer before that but and you look at his profile he's someone that kind of fits what their new offensive philosophy seems to be plays really good defense

up the middle he's just a good solid all around player right now again let's go back to what I've heard about the prospects that have been thrown out there I've heard Harry Ford's name

I've heard Cole Emerson's name I think the Bears would trade Harry Ford for Nico Horner oh yeah they absolutely wouldn't trade Cole Emerson for Nico Horner yeah not straight up So if let's say that Emerson is in the steel for for a second What do the mirrors need to get back from either the white socks or the Cubs to make that worth it?

Is there something that that makes it worth it to you? Garrett Crochet, but obviously you know that again doesn't work. So when you really look at you know what the white socks don't have anything but you know anything on their roster you know, aside crochet, other than one player who we know the Mariners were interested in this last summer, or this last summer, and that's Luis Robert. But if you're getting, so if you're getting Horner and Robert, yeah, I mean, like, I love Colt Emerson, but at that point you're getting two everyday players, and you're taking a risk on Robert, obviously, we know that.

But the upside is immense, and you are getting a very high floor player in Horner, too, for a couple years. So I think if it's Robert and Horner, fine. Then Emerson becomes available at that point from like, what could the Cubs add? Well, at that point, are the Cubs giving up too much just to get crochet? Probably. But if the Cubs wanted to add something to Horner to get me as Jerry Depoto interested in trading, you know, Colt Emerson, it's probably like Essoc Barrett is.

But at that point, now the Cubs need another infuriated. fielder because the reason the Cubs are so willing to trade Horner and it sure sounds like they are. Like they are pushing this out and they're having active talks with teams about Nico Horner. They want to open up a spot for Matt Shaw. And so Shaw can play either second or third, but he can't play both. So trading, you know, parades and and a Horner in a deal just to get crochet and open up a spot for Matt Shaw doesn't make a lot of sense for them. So the only way I can see, you know, Emerson being involved in this, in this trade and the Mariners being okay with that is if they're getting something from the White Sox. And in theory, the White Sox are the team that would be getting Emerson.

Right. And so it's like, I don't know. Are the white socks willing to trade Crochet and Robert for Emerson like together, separate teams, but in the same deal? Yeah. Maybe they might be. But, and, you know, I honestly, I, if the Mariners balked at that, they're like we just we aren't going to trade emerson we don't trust robert uh in that deal as much as we like warner i think that's justifiable i would take that shot i would take that shot personally but

i think it's totally justifiable robert is a huge question mark massive massive and there's big risk there particularly if you don't have a ton of money which you know based on some of the stuff we heard in this trade and today not related to this trade or maybe tangentially related to this trade And we'll talk about that here in a moment as well. I'll talk about that a minute. But yeah, so I think it almost would have to be Robert. I don't think anybody else from the Cubs makes the Cubs interest in doing this deal. And maybe that's the holdup that kills this thing.

The Mariners are unwilling to trade Colt Emerson. And they shouldn't be, not for Nico Horner straight up. And again, the only player that can be added that makes sense for the other two teams that might tip Seattle's opinion is probably Robert. And even then, that's a huge risk. So yeah, it's interesting. Again, the talks definitely did happen. Are they still ongoing? I don't know.

I don't know. Isn't anything close. No, I don't think that, you know, you need to be refreshing your social media apps for the next few days. But the winter meetings are right around the corner. A lot of stuff happens. A lot of conversations can be had there. So this is definitely something to, you know, keep in the back of your mind for the next week or so.

as these three teams are about to be in the same building for the next four days. So Colby, as you alluded to, Horner isn't the only player we've heard linked to the Marys. He isn't the only Cubs player we've heard Link to the Marers today. So we'll get into that as well. And because of this rumor, this three-team deal rumor, you've decided to get a little unhinged and put together a 15-player trade idea involving the Cubs. Mariners and White So we're going to get into that as well. And just a moment.

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The Mariners are amongst three teams that have talked to the Cubs about Cody Bellinger. This is fascinating. Mariners, Yankees, Astros are the teams that were named here that have talked to the Cubs about Bellinger. Now, the interesting thing here that, Levin, Levin. I'm going to go with Levine. Yeah. Added is that the Cubs aren't looking to merely shed the salary.

In fact, they don't even want to cover much of the money, if any of the money, which good luck to them on that. So there's two ways to look at that from the mayor's point of view. One is a far more optimistic outlook. One that might involve some copium here that, hey, maybe the Marys have more money than we think they do. The likelier outcome here is that the Cubs told them, no, you got to take on most, if not all of the contract. And the talks died right there for the Marys. Sure. I would say this.

I heard something else that we're not talking about on the air today. that would be a pretty expensive free agent acquisition that doesn't make a ton of sense for the current mariners if they are in fact operating with only about a $16 to $20 million budget. So if you want more copium,

like there you go. Like the mariners might actually have a little more money than we think. How much more? I don't know. But yeah. So I did hear. an unrelated rumor that I don't feel good enough to, you know, report or to tell you, you know, about interest the Mariners have and another player in free agency who's going to cost probably most and not all the budget that they apparently have. So yeah, that's the case.

Maybe they do. But what's the most likely outcome? That the Mariners like, hey, we want Bellinger, how much money you will need? None. Goodbye. Yeah. You willing to take on Mitch Hanigar? No. All right. Well, good conversation. Yeah. Let us know if you change your mind. Yeah. So yeah, that's what's most likely to have happened here. But again, it is a, it is a notable player. Yeah. And we know that the merits had interest at the deadline before you got hurt. Yes. Yes. Which is interesting again, because Belanger was making a lot of money even at the deadline. Yeah.

And we know that the Mariners were talking about Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Up to the deadline. And those guys would have added significant payroll if the mayor said acquire them. So Bellinger is owed 27 and a half this year. Then there's a $25 million player option next year, 2026. So there's a chance that he is only around for a year. Yep. Or there's a chance that he bottoms out.

And then you have this $25 million black hole on your roster in 2026. It's another risky player. Yeah. So I don't know. What do you think about Bellinger in general as a fit for the Merrers? Money considered here. Considered, it's not a great fit. Yeah.

Based on what we believe the payroll is. Again, if you're telling me the Marers have significantly more money to spend this winter than we think that changes. But I'm still operating under the impression that they can probably like top out at 160. That's how I've operated so far. That's how I'm going to continue to operate until we know otherwise. So money considering it doesn't work because even if you get them to take on like Hanager, you're still adding $10 million of payroll this year and $25 million next year when Cal and Logan and Georgia are going to get even more expensive.

and $10 million represents if we want to be charitable, half of the money you have to spend. Like, okay, your outfield's pretty well set. So Bellinger's probably going to play first base for you at that point, right? Which means you're not getting Santana and Turner don't make any sense now. I mean, are you going to try and like force that together on the roster? I don't know. So like money wise, all things consider, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

The player, like how do I think Cody Bellinger, would perform with the Mariners. Pretty well. I think the swing is a really good fit for Team Mobile Park. I think the profile, the batted ball or the base on ball numbers and the, the strikeout numbers, I think fit pretty well. He can play all three outfield spots. You want him in a corner, but he can fake it in center field for a little bit if you

need to. And he can play first base, which frees up Luke Rayleigh to rotate through the outfit as well. So just from that standpoint, fine. But when you kind of factor in the money and what we've heard, the Mariners really want to do at first base already. It's kind of a messy fit. Well, if you're going to spend the money, wouldn't you rather spend that money on Christian Walker or Anthony Santander?

Now, obviously, you have to sell those guys on coming to Seattle as well. Right. Or Bellinger, I don't believe has no trade clause. Yeah, I don't see anything about that here on. Right. By the way, the 20, the 2026 opt-out contains a $5 million buyout. Right. So to me.

So you're on the hook for $32.5 million guaranteed. Minimum. Yeah. Yeah. Now you can spread that out over, it's not all at once, but still, it's a big chunk of change. And you could be on the hook for up to $52 million. So, yeah, if you're going to take that shot on Bellinger, you better be really sure he's closer to 2023, Bellinger in the 2024. In 2024, Ballinger was fine. Like, he wasn't bad.

But that's a big risk to take on a player who has been inconsistent in his career. And so, yeah, Bellinger's interesting. I'm interested in Bellinger if the Cubs are willing to eat a significant chunk of that contract. And it sounds like they're not. So it's kind of a moot point. But it is interesting. Yet again, another sign that the Mariners and Cubs are having you know, they're talking a lot. They've talked. They've talked. Quite a bit.

There's an awful lot of smoke. Yeah. Here, though. And so typically, again, there's fire. And, you know, for all we know, like, what does this end up being? I don't know. The mariners acquire some random pitcher from the Cubs. And we're like, oh, that's what all the talks led to.

But, you know, Hayden with Snessy for, you know, name a guy. Right. Right. So maybe that's all it is. Maybe that's all it ends up being, but yeah, I'm very confident that the Mariners are talking to the Cubs about bats, like position players. And it sure sounds based on everything we've heard from the Cubs that they would really like to move Bellinger. And they are very open to moving Horner, kind of for the same reason. They want to get playing time for Pete Crow Armstrong.

They want to get playing time for Matt Shaw. They want to clear some money off of the books. apparently to get Matt Boy $15 million a year because why not? So yeah, I mean like I don't know. Would you would you do Bellinger for Castillo? Because that point you're adding $3 million. And if you have Bellinger, you don't need Santana or Turner. But again, Matt Boy just went for $15 million years.

But also isn't the driving force of trading Bellinger for the Cubs ultimately to shed the payroll. Yeah. It sure seems like it. Especially with this report that they're not willing to eat most of the money. Right. So. So yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, like Castillo, especially when you're seeing what like you say Kikuchi got and Frankie Montes and Matt Boyd like you mentioned. Severino got $21 million a year from the A's today. Which is insane. Nuts.

Imagine. Good for them. I mean, good for Severino for getting that money. Good for the A's for actually spending money. But must be nice. Willingly signing to play in Sacramento is wild. That's a wild decision. So good luck to Louis Severino.

By the way, I believe this is the second largest contract, the Oakland A's I've given out. That's ridiculous. I believe the number one contract is still like the Eric Chavez extension, if I'm not mistaken. Wow. I think they give him $70 million.

So circling back to my point, though, when you're seeing what some of these pictures who are not as good as Luis Castillo are making, yeah, Castillo at $24.1 million, hell of a deal, even with some of the regression that we saw him experience this year. So, yeah, I mean, like if you're the Cubs, I would have interest in Luis Castillo, especially when, I mean, it kind of seems like they look at Bellinger's excess on their roster. Right. I mean, again, I don't want to keep hammering this point home, but they gave Matt Boyd $15 million a year. The Cubs are clearly desperate for pitching. Yeah. And if Boyd is worth $15 million, Lewis Cats. And now there's this report about crochet. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's the Cubs are interested. I said this yesterday, I think on one of the social media is I'm pretty sure. I don't know. We talked a lot yesterday. So it's tough to keep it all straight. But.

One of the social media is yesterday, or maybe it was even in Slack, I don't know. Yeah. That like the Mariners and the Cubs feel like really good trade partners who are like half a tick off on everything. Like either the money's just not quite right or the prospect return is just a little bit off.

And the valuation is just a tiny, it needs to be tweaked this way. And the rosters are just a little too similar. And it's kind of frustrating because you're like, yeah, you can see. And then you kind of look at it and you go, yeah but the Cubs have this or yeah but the Mariners have this and so well and again the Cubs have at the very least three players we know the Marins have a considerable amount of interest in I know they love Nico Horner they love Nico Horner and I bet if if they actually acquire Horner we're going to hear Justin Hollander and Jerry Depoto talk about how much they've tried to get Horner for years he'll be the same Polanco as the Polanco then we heard a lot about parades back when he was with the race last year especially we heard that the mayor has won a parades last winter then again in the summer so yep yeah and then belliger now we've heard them connected to them twice over the last five months so yeah it makes a lot of sense of these two teams link up on a deal it's just are they able to find a perfect fit to make it happen so we'll see and maybe and maybe again that's

The help of the Chicago White Sox makes that happen. It fills in the gaps. It does feel like there needs to be a 13 between these two sides. And it doesn't have to be the one we talked about in the first segment. But it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. As so long as the White Sox are not being headstrong and demanding Colt Emerson, I think something could still get done there.

Right. But we'll see. All right. So we're going to wrap up the show. on kind of a fun and unhinged note. So Colby wanted me to make it very clear to you guys that this is purely for entertainment purposes. Okay, nothing else.

This is not based on anything we've heard. We're not reporting anything here. Colby just wanted to have some fun today. If you watched our top five Tuesday, not this week, but last week when Colby did the top five trades of Marius history, he listed, I think it was at number five, number four

that wild 14 player deal that Jack Syrenzic pulled off with the Cleveland and New York at the time yeah as GM of the Mariners it was his mess too which is sad

the Mariners traded JJ puts in that deal and they got Franklin Gutierrez and Jason Vargas back in that trade uh-huh Andy Chavez Mike Hart yeah Aaron Heilman They grew up Sean Green and Jeremy Reed.

Isico Carrero was in it going somewhere. I don't remember where it was something. Yeah. So again, this is purely for entertainment purposes. But let's see what you cooked up here. And how long did this take you? Like an hour? How long did you work on this?

I mean, probably like an hour, but I'm not going to lie, the last few names I literally threw in there just to get it over the threshold. Because one thing I learned when looking at these three teams, probably get a good deal done with six, seven players. Yeah. But you wanted to one up Jack Z. That's right.

Who again pulled off a 14 player deal. So you have a 15 player deal involving the mirrors, the Cubs, and the white socks. If you're watching on YouTube, you see it all laid out here. We have color coding to see where, you know, which players are coming from where, all that good stuff. So take us through it. Sure.

I'll say this if you're not watching and you're listening. Thank you for listening. But also, there's a zero percent chance you're going to follow this. So yeah. Understand that, yeah. Anyway, so at the end of the day, the most important thing for you guys is that the Mariners would get Nico Horner, Cody Bellinger, Hayden Wisniewski

that we kind of joked about earlier. Yep, he's a right-handed pitcher. We actually saw him pitch against the Mariners a couple years ago. And from the White Sox, they would get Jordan Lechere. I think it's just leisure. I think it's leisure.

Yeah. All right. So the Mariners get their second basement. They get Cody Bellinger, who I put in this deal before the Bruce Levine thing came out because I was going off of what we heard over the summer, as you know, and I heard it a couple days ago that, yeah, no, the mirror is actually kind of like Bellinger. So, if you threw him in there,

you'll see why in a second. So they get those two guys, they get their first baseman, they get their second baseman. Wisniewski is just kind of an interesting lump of clay. He's got some pretty decent stuff. He hasn't really put it all together for the Cubs. He does, you know, he can't pitch both in the rotation and out of the bullpen. So there's some flexibility here, which became a important for some people who think Emerson Hancock is pretty good. Spoiler alerts. And then leisure, whatever. Yeah. I just needed the guy. That's the guy I threw in there to be the 15th guy. Sure. Take that, Jaxie. Uh, isn't leisure the guy who Cal hit the walk off grand slam against? He blew two saves against the Mariners in a three-day stretch. Yep. Nice. So he's already basically a

Mariner. Pretty much. The Cubs get Garrett Crochet, Peyton Pallett, Mitch Hanager, Gregory Santos, Tai Pete, and Brock Road. So the Cubs get crochet. They also get a, you know, fringy prospect from the White Sox. It's pretty good stuff. They take on the handers contract to help the Mariners out with the money a little bit. they get Gregory Santos to, you know, the difference,

I figure the difference between Hanneger and Bellinger is still, in terms of what they bring to the field, substantial. They also get Ty Pete and Brock Rodin from this deal. The way I look at it, the Cubs for Horner, the Cubs get crochet and, you know, probably Rodin or Pete. That's how they would look at it. And for Bellinger, they get Hanager and the other prospect. So yeah.

And then the White Sox would get Cubs prospect Owen Casey. Highly touted prospect about Major League Ready. The Cubs outfield is loaded even if they trade Bellinger. They get the White Sox also get Harry Ford, who we heard specifically mentioned today. Ty Locklear, who we heard this summer that they sat on in AAA and followed around for a couple weeks. they seem different like him. By the way, that's another thing that we failed to mention when talking about the three-team deal. The White Sox have done quite a bit of research on the Marriss Farm.

Yep. From over the course of the summer. So, yeah, there's that to keep in mind as well. Yeah, that part should come together pretty quickly if the talks are still ongoing. Yeah, anyways, the White Sox get, they get Casey, Ford, Locklear, Michael Morales and Emerson, Hancock. Of course, you had to trade Emerson Hancock in the steel. So the White Sox get five prospects, the three big ones, Casey Ford, Locklear, all in theory are going to, you know, either make their major league debut this year or are going to get significant time at the big league level, which is nice. Morales could also make his big league debut this year.

Hancock is already a big leaguer, air quotes, who they can stack in the back of their rotation and see what happens. at the end of the day, uh, though, so we'll just run down this really quick here. The Mariners get Horner, Bellinger, Wesneske,

and leisure. They give up Hanager, Santos, Pete Roden, Harry Ford, Locklear, Morales, Hancock.

It's a lot. Eight guys for four. But they're getting a lot. See, a very complicated, uh, deal. Uh,

again, the Mariners do have to pay a little bit of a premium here. Uh, because they are getting, two everyday players out of the deal. So yeah, like I think if I look at it, like for me, the way I would break it down is, and I mean this like with no disrespect, unlike the other times I say this, Hancock is meaningless to the Mariners, especially if they have Wisniew.

That doesn't matter. Locklear, when you have Bellinger in hand, worthless to you. If he can't play first base for you in the next two years, you might as well trade them. anyway. So he doesn't matter. Rodin, nice player, but kind of a dime a dozen type. You can find another Brock Rodin in the draft this year. So those three guys,

whatever. Throw them in there. They tweak anything. They spicing the pot up a little bit. Fine, whatever. But I think what you're really looking at here, if you're the Mariners, is you're giving up Ford and probably Tai Pete is the way to look at it.

Or a Horner. and you're giving up Hanager and Santos for Bellinger is really the way to look at it. And while the Cubs do save $10 million in that trade, they don't save $27 million, which is why you have to give up Santos in that deal as well. Sure. All right. Well, since tomorrow is fan fiction Friday,

unless the mayors want to do so. Doesn't seem like they're close. I am tasking you. the comments to grade Colby's 15 player trade. Oh boy. Just remember only idiots would give it sub 50. Now you have to do it within the spirit of fan fiction Friday, which is we're grading it based on creativity,

uniqueness, and viability, which is going to get a low score in that department. I feel like creativity alone gives me a minimum floor of 50. Well, we'll see what the comments decide. I don't care what they. think. I know you don't. Just remember.

We're going to see anyway. Just remember baseball cards have a way of getting lost in the mail. And also your booze Colby. He has seen what you cheer for. Yes. I have that on a t-shirt. All right. So I think that's going to do it for us.

A little bit of a later drop today for the show. What's up? What do you got for us? Folks, your Seattle Mariners have received a comp a pick in this next year's draft which means they will have the 33rd overall pick oh buddy and that can be traded i was going to say this could be a game changer yeah because that's like equivalent to what a top sevenish prospect yeah yeah yeah so you know what throw out the whole show we're leading with this i've been throwing the comp a

pick into the 15 player trade like of course this happened i've been talking about this pick for the last like four days like when is this happening when is this happening and this totally would have made our conversation earlier much better because it could have been like look they have this draft pick and draft picks to the white socks are like gold and you get the bonus money that goes with it yeah you do why can this have come out like 20 minutes ago this changes things now the bearers probably already knew that they were going to get this but sure we didn't know this going to be a or b from the public's point of view though this changes things yeah that is a significant asset that the mares have added uh that they can trade now so yeah that's fun and hey if they don't trade it

thirty third pick in the draft that's fun it's really fun uh i think we'll do the draft lottery, I think happens like the first day of the winter meetings or second day of the winter meeting. So we'll see where they pick. I think they have the 15th highest odds. So they would pick somewhere in the, you know, in theory. There's a couple teams that can't pick any higher than eighth. Yeah. The White Sox being one of them, by the way. So I think the Mariners right now would be like, by the way, you know, they might want that extra pool money to drive someone down the board to them. Yeah. Like, oh, you're projected go number two. Well, we'll give you number one money if you just fall eight. Yeah. You can orchestrate that. So yeah, we'll probably end up having to talk about this

tomorrow. I mean, we're already way over time. But this is, this is big guys. Like, this is a potential game changer. So I would, I would guess they're probably going to trade that pick. But we'll see. It's one of the only picks you can't trade. But anyways, Ty, you have so much to edit. Let's get out of here. Yeah, so this has been a fun episode. I hope you guys enjoyed. And yeah, don't forget to, you know, grade Colby's trade because he doesn't care, but I do. And I want to see roast him because it gives me joy, especially this holiday season. So that's going to do it for our show.

Thank you so much for joining us here on the lockdown areas, I guess. We are looking for trades for tomorrow from you guys as well. It's true. It's true. It's true. you know and don't forget you can use that comp A pick now in your trades just you know make sure that you can take it before you dish it

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