Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Seattle Mariners Are Reportedly Interested in Ryan McMahon, Huh? We'll Pass

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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The Mariners have wrapped up their first homestand after the break with a 3-and-3 record. Let's talk about it. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, it is Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025. This is Tanya Gonzalez and Colby Patnaud for the Lockdown Marys Podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day.

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Really bad game. Really, really, really bad game. Really bad day at the office for JP Crimes. in particular. Yeah, we're not going to linger too much on that one. You probably already got your fill enough with Anders and Chris's postcast on that one. So we are going to talk about the homestand more as a whole, though. We're going to talk a little bit about Logan Gilbert, what he was able to do last night,

the one positive, big positive from this series. And there's a report out there that the mayor may have called the Rocky's about Ryan McMahon. Nice favorite player. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll talk about that. Can't wait to get you that custom Ryan McMahon Mariners jersey.

He's like the opposite of Donnie Barrels for me. I mean, about as good of a hitter. Yeah, which we'll get into later and why we're not, not huge fans of the Ryan McMan. I mean. sure yeah I love glove only third baseman

exactly what the mariners need yeah exactly anyway so three and three on this homestand they went two against the Astros one against the Brewers if you want to go back to right before the All-Star break this little mini gauntlet that they've been on against the Yankees the Tigers

the Astros and the Brewers for the best teams and all baseball they go six and six obviously they got none of them against the Yankees but whatever they go six and six over that stretch. And like I said Thursday, yeah, because we did Fad Fiction Friday. So Thursday when we talked about the first half and the second half and talked a little bit about this homestand, I said that if you're going to lay an egg in one of the series, hopefully it's against the brewers and not the Astros.

And that's exactly what wound up happening. So yeah, overall, I mean, it was a fine homestan. I feel like they left a little on the table, though. Yeah, I mean, they had a good shot to sweep, you know, Houston and then Brian Wu just forgot how to pitch, which he's done a couple times this year, been handed a lead and immediately surrendered it right back. He did it against Baltimore. If you remember that start, fortunately, I do. I was at the ballpark. So, yeah, he's done that a couple times.

So that was a bad loss. And then your bullpen just couldn't stop the bleeding today. You know, you get two to two. you have Castillo on the bump and he's been really good at home. And you get really bad defense in this one. Castillo, it's not like Castio gets off the hook entirely because JP made an error. He didn't do his part. And you really look at it.

And this goes back even to the Yankee series. They went six and six in the stretch, which is pretty good. Again, considering these are four teams with, what, four of the best six or seven records in major league baseball right now. The Astros have the best record in the American League. the tigers were broken by the Seattle Mariners. And so the Astros are actually the number one seed in the American League right now. But you go back to that Yankee series and obviously, you know, you lose the one to Brian, that Brian Wu had the no-hitter going.

You lose the game where Logan looked great and then they had the rain delay and then that just collapsed on you really fast. You have obviously the game with the 3-0 lead with Wu against Houston. Like there were two or three games where you should have won those games. and if you did, you're looking at this 12-game stretch going like, wow, they went eight and four against, you know, the four best teams and, or four of the best teams in baseball. Like, that is incredible.

They just didn't. They didn't. And it really didn't work. It really hasn't worked so much the other way. Typically, the Mariners win. They win. They've won pretty handily. Now, this homestand, they had a couple wins that could have gone either way.

But in general, they haven't. They've been pretty darn good. and winning pretty handily. So just kind of one of those things where three and three, it's good. And again, if we said three and three was good on Thursday, which we did, and we said, okay, how would you prefer to this breakup?

Like, how do you go three and three on the homestand? I think option one would have been sweep Houston. Yeah. It's swept by Milwaukee. But option two would have been when the Houston series lose the Milwaukee series. So yeah, again, it's a little, frustrating because you could have gone four and two pretty easily on this

homestand you also could have gone two and four sure easily on the homestand so it works both ways but yeah all in all Seattle this little mini gauntlet that comes on the back of an other gauntlet where you played 17 games and you know 17 days and you did what you needed to do before the break you did what you needed to come out of the break it's not pretty it's not the way you wanted it you had an opportunity to really some distance here but at the end of the day we're a week away from the deadline now

and the Mariners are firmly buyers which is exactly what we needed them to be so kind of what you needed to do here was just to avoid complete disaster. Yes. So that you know it doesn't swing in the complete opposite direction here and you're going like it makes no sense for us to buy at the deadline

whatsoever. Yeah. If you had gone four and eight or if you've gone three and nine instead of six and six we might be having a completely different conversation and that that was on the table with how you were playing and how these other teams were lane. So you survived. Again, you had an opportunity

to flip it on its head the other way, but that works both ways. You could have lost a couple as well. So, but yeah, I mean, overall solid homestand, but a lot of a lot of problems were, I don't

want to say revealed, they were like further hammered home that like, yes, you need help in these areas and pretty much every position, every group that we're like, yeah, the mayors need help here, that group costs them a game at some point on this homestand. So, yeah, it's, I feel like the one thing we know about the Mariners is we know exactly where the holes are.

Yeah. And we just don't know what, what hole is going to come up on a certain day to cost you a game or potentially cost you a game. Yeah. But we know that this team is incomplete. We know it's talented, but we know the floor of this team is very, very, very, very low and games can quickly get away from them as we saw on Sunday, as we saw today. Yeah, and sometimes it just feels like the gap between them and that upper echelon of teams is enormous.

And that's felt a couple times over the last three days against the Spruce team. And there are other times where you like, we're just as good. Yeah. Like, we're right there. So this team is who we thought they are and who we thought they are is we don't know who they are, if that makes sense. Sure, sure. Yeah, my takeaways from the homestand in general aren't as grand as they typically would be had they, you know, maybe had this maybe happened in May or even June. Because really, like, this roster is going to hopefully look drastically different here in the next, you know, seven to nine days.

So, yeah, hopefully they are able to address some of those holes that you mentioned here. and it'd be great if they just, you know, did something now. That would be cool. Like maybe, you know, reestablish the vibes here a little bit. Maybe even tonight before you go to Anaheim. Maybe get yourself a new player or two. I don't know. They typically have not waited.

So the Randy Rosa Rana trade was made on July 25th. It's July 23rd. Like, we're getting close to that mark now. And then the, like, the Luis Castillo deal was made on July 29th, 2020. too. So we're getting, I think we're getting pretty close to them making their, their first big swing of the deadline season. So yeah, I think that'll kind of fix the vibes here a little bit. But overall, again, like I said, like you just need to, you just needed to stay afloat here

coming out of the break. And they did that. Yeah, you know, today was really disappointing and really frustrating. You know, the loss on Sunday to the Astros was really frustrating. But overall, you know, I think I would consider this still a successful homestand for them just because it didn't result in absolute disaster. Yeah. You still have 11 games to go before your next day off, though. So that could be troublesome.

But again, you're going to L.A. Then you play the A's. Then you play Texas day off. And then you get three at home against the White Sox. Like, the likelihood that you can win the division. might be determined in the next, you know, 13 games or whatever. And that Texas series is starting to look a little bit bigger than maybe you thought because they're starting to play better ball and they're right on your tail right now

in terms of the wild card. So, yeah. All right. So let's switch gears here. Let's talk about the really the lone bright spot. I mean, Calhita's 39th home run last night. But the biggest storyline from last night's game for me was Logan Gellert, what he was able to do. Finally goes six plus and the one nothing win.

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available on both the Lockdowneer's YouTube and podcast feeds. So even though there has been another game that's happened between last night's when and this episode, I did want to take out some time on this show to talk about how good Logan Gilbert was last night because he was fantastic and for the first time since opening day which was March 28th

I think it's July 23rd now just for reference here Logan went six plus innings goes six and a third last night strikes out 10 gives up just two hits on just one hard hit ball to this brewer's lineup that has been really cooking

lately he was fantastic and like you mentioned earlier, you know, he was really good in New York before the rain delay. It was just after the rain delay, after you came back out, things just completely went off the rails. But it seemed like he kind of picked up where he left off there before that rain delay in New York.

And yeah, again, he just shredded through this Brewer's lineup. Thought that he could have gone deeper into this game. But maybe that was related to the fact that he was hitting 93 on the radar gun here and there over the course of the night. That's

I don't know if it's concerning, but it's definitely noteworthy. I don't know if Dan or Logan said anything after the game. I didn't see anything about it, but yeah, it's a little strange. Yeah, I mean, Stackass even registered a fastball. That was sub-92. It was 91.9, I believe. But, yeah, not great. I counted it up last night.

I believe it ended up being seven pitches that were 93 miles an hour, seven fastballs that were 93 miles an hour or lower out of the 40-ish that he threw. It's not a huge number, but it is enough to tank his year. Not tank. It's notable, right? He was almost a full mile per hour lower than his norms last night on average. I believe he touched 96.9. So he did touch 97, but yeah, a lot of 93s.

So that, you know, factored into the, you know, also factoring in that he only threw 86 pitches yesterday when he was cruising. You know, I think it's fair to, you know, have some questions about like, why did you take him out when you did? Was the VLO related to that? Because he was throwing 93 as early as the third inning last night. But, you know, his last fastball, I think was 93 as well. And so I don't know. Is that just because you notice something and you want to be careful? Or is it just because, I don't know, is Logan telling you that, like, physically he's getting more down at the 80, 90 pitchmark?

I don't know. So that was weird that they took him out when they did. I'm usually totally okay with aggressive bullpen usage. But, you know, you could have gotten seven out of Logan and then he could just gone straight to Brash to Munoz or however you wanted to do it. you could have taken out one reliever that you needed to use yesterday. So kind of a weird decision. I don't think we got any clarity on that. At least I didn't say any quotes about that.

So weird there. I mean, so that's something I would at least keep an eye on in Logan's next start. Look at the VLO, look at the pitch count, see when they take him out and all that. But yeah, that that was those two things combined, removing him at 85 pitches and the fact that he was 93 a lot last night. that's just something I noticed. So keep an eye on that. But Logan was really good

last night despite not having the best fastball. He only had one whiff on the fastball. I believe between his two off speed pitches, sorry, his three, he threw five curveballs. Six actually, Colby.

It's six. Get it right. Huge weapon for him. I believe he, ended up with, what was it, 14 whiffs on 23 swings on those three pitches. Yes. 70% whiff rate on the split or the slider, 60% on the other one, whatever. 70 on the split, 60 on the slider.

Yeah. So both of those pitches were nasty last night. The fastball just didn't really have any value. So kind of a weird outing, like a great outing for Logan, don't get me wrong. But just, you know, a little something at the end there that kind of makes you raise your eyebrow and go, hmm, I wonder. So. Yeah.

But, you know, if Logan's going to throw 93 all year and go six innings still and, you know, give up two hits. And only one hard hit ball. Yeah, and strike out 10 and not walk anybody. Then fastball below, who cares? Yeah. But like, it was enough for me to like kind of raise my eyebrow and go, hmm, that's something I'm watching.

I believe he'll make his next start Sunday, the finale, uh, in, uh, in Anaheim. So just something I'm going to keep an eye on. But yeah, he was fantastic. Best start of the year by far was last night. And you really need him to step up because it's been touch or go since he's come back. You really need George Kirby to do better. And we thought we were getting it. Kirby looked great in his first outing.

And then something didn't go his way and time to start throwing batting practice. But yeah, it was just not a great series. Castillo wasn't good today. I know he didn't get a lot of help, but he wasn't good today. Kirby imploded on himself, you know, in the, what, sixth inning, fifth inning, whatever it was. So once again, Mariners starting pitching, not really getting it done, but kudos to Logan Gilbert, who did get it done in a big, big way. And, you know, more or less single-handedly prevented you from getting swept by the,

by the Brewers and handing the Mariners a nice win that kept their head above water. So great to see that version of Logan Gilbert. I'd like to see it more. Just keep an eye on the VLO and the pitch counts at which they start to pull them over the next couple starts. Yeah. And nice to see the strikeout numbers still high, but him getting those strikeouts in a more timely fashion. Like he was actually able to put guys away pretty quick. And that's obviously been a huge issue for him.

And we've talked about that. I mean, you know, they flash that stat up on the screen that, you know, obviously he wasn't qualified because of the injury. But he was striking dudes out at almost a historic. rate, but the flip side of that is, you know, he hasn't been able to go deep into the games and it's taken a ton of pitches to get those strikeouts. So it was nice that he actually found a balance where he's still getting into strikeouts, but he's also putting guys away. And he's finding different ways to do it as well.

So hopefully you can ride that momentum and hopefully that, yeah, the, the, the, the, um, dip in Velo is not actually a problem here. We'll see about that. But, uh, I don't know, even mixed in, I think like a six pitch inning mixed there, very quick outs. Like that, that'll do wonders and then you can go attack and get your strikeouts. But the slider has been a lot better the last couple of outings. And I think that pitch might be a difference maker because Logan pretty easy to game plan

against. Go for the fastball early. If you fall behind, you're probably going to get splitter. So if it starts slow in the zone, just take it. It's going to drop out of the zone. And if it's, you know, a fastball, he doesn't have the velo to really beat you right now. So attack. And the slider just gives you another.

Rink only threw it against lefties and righties last night. So, yeah, last night. So really encouraging sign from, from Logan. And then just fingers crossed, it was just, you know, one of those nights. Yeah. So, well, apparently the Marys have called the Colorado Rockies about third baseman, Ryan McMahon. We are going to talk about that just a moment.

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Ryan McMahon. Hallelujah. Am I right, Ty? All right. so let's talk about Ryan McVan because we have a real favorite player time he's not that's that's the answer he's not yeah

and it's really because he is the dictionary definition of a coursefield merchant the uh he's not even good at course field this year so yeah yeah it's changing yeah i i well all right so this article says uh he has been heading 253 368 500 at coursefield

this year i that i don't remember it looking like that when I checked like a week ago but okay you gotta remember at course field that's like a 100 WRC plus yeah I'll take him I'll be Traybramers's word for it though away

from Coorsfield though this year he is hitting 189 265 324 so okay a little better than Ben Williamson so I'll say this I can absolutely wrap my head around why teams would have some level of interest

some Ryan McMahon because you look at the baseball savant page there's a lot of red a lot of red 98th percentile on average ex of velo 80th percentile and barrel rate 85th percent tall and hard hit rate these are all numbers the mariners love yeah the bat speed is really good uh he walks he walks he walks he also shrinks on a ton he's also uh sounds like a mariner to me yeah he's also a really good defender uh he's he's also do 16 million dollars next year and $16 million a year after, which is why I wrote little blurbs on some third base options that weren't

Gino and put them out on Twitter and Blue Sky a few days ago. And at the end of my blurb on McMahon, I said, well, because of the money, I don't think I have to worry much about the mayor's exploring this. But apparently they've checked in, and obviously they know what that would take now with the Rockies pay some of that down. Who knows? I don't know.

Yeah, I think I would just rather stick with Ben Williamson, though. Like, I, again, I understand why a team like the Marys would want to take that shot, because again, the bat speed, the hard hit rates, all that stuff. But we're talking about a guy that, again, has been terrible away from Corsefield. And he has, he's been in the league since 2017. He has never posted a WRC plus above 97 in his career. And again, that's that is down a lot by the fact that he does play in Cors. If he put up the numbers, his yearly numbers that he has throughout his career.

But half of his games are played at T.Mobile Park instead of Cores Field, he's a 115, 120 WRC plus bat. Sure. It's not that simple, though. Yeah, obviously. No. Honestly, I, first of all, this is clearly coming from the Rockies. Yes. And if you, this is just a good general advice for everybody over the next week.

Who's a team that everybody in baseball thinks is going to be really aggressive at this deadline? The Mariners. Who's a team that has all the prospects you could ever want to trade for? The Mariners. Who has a huge need in their infield? The Mariners. So isn't it possible that the Rockies front office looks at the Mariners and is like, boy, if they're interested in Ryan McMahon, we could probably ask for more than we otherwise would.

So let's leak this out there to a reporter and say the Mariners and us, we've been talking a lot. Where in reality, the mayors were like, hey, what's the cost on McMahon? Okay, we'll let you know. Isn't that much more likely? So that's what's happening here? because it's hard for me to fathom that this ownership group is just going to sign off on adding 30 about it would be about $38 million for the next two and a half years. There's going to sign off on that being added to payroll over the next three years, two and a half years. Yeah.

I don't think that's going to happen. This is the one time you actually want Mariners ownership to be like, we're not spending that money. that's stupid money like yeah yeah the one time you want them to interfere but i think this is mostly the rocky's like let's see if we can jack up the price on somebody who actually does want mcmann because in reality what ryan mcmand is right now at least production wise he's ben williamson and as he's a platoon option with ben williamson and seattle i mean they probably would have him play a lot. I'm sure, but they probably shouldn't.

But the nice thing about McMahon is that when you look at his profile versus Williamson's, like McMahon's profile is very much, it's much more mergers. Hit the ball hard, elevate it, draw walks, don't worry about strikeouts too much. Williamson is the opposite, where he actually still strikes out a little bit too much, but he is literally just trying to, you know, bat the ball.

back to the pitch. And that's a problem when you're not getting the thump you need from other places because you're not getting traditional thump from right field, although Canzone's starting to change that a little bit, but still,

you're not getting that thump from first base right now. You're not getting it from DH right now. So you needed a third base, and Williamson, it's not, he can't provide that. He is not capable of providing that. McMahon is capable of providing that.

When you look at the exofelos and all that, it's just, okay, cool. So he's a great hitter in theory. What do the numbers tell us? Oh, he's not a good hitter. Yeah. So, okay. And he's expensive. I would wrap my head.

I would be able to far more easily wrap my head around this idea, around the idea of taking a shot on him. If there weren't roughly $38 million involved here. Like, like, I am totally fine with. like okay we lost out on a eugenio swaras let's try and take a shot on getting actual traditional third base offensive production and at the very least we're going to get good defense out of without sacrificing defense yeah yeah without sacrificing defense let's take that shot totally fine with that totally understand that aspect of it but it's 38 million dollars ish give or take

He was, let's say it was half. Right. Let's say you only owed him 18 million over the next two and a half, two years and Chalmers. It's still a lot when it comes to the Seattle Maris. It is, but it's roughly, it's basically a replacing Mitch Garber's contract next year at that rate. Sure, but there's also arbitration increases, stuff like that. I know, I know.

Yeah. But again, the Rockies are willing to eat money, which they're probably not. Yeah. But if they are, you do need to find a third base upgrade. It is the biggest nexus of like where you can, like the difference between Gino and what you have a third base is massive offensively, whereas the difference between Josh Naler and what you're getting out of first base now is still large, but it is not as big of a variance as what you could get upgrading at third base.

So yeah. And plus you don't really have a third baseman for next year unless you really believe that like Ben Williamson's bat, it is. not tenable for him to be your everyday third baseman for an entire season. No. You just can't do it. So McMahon at least has the possibility of being your third baseman next year. And if you do think you can help him and you do think that these numbers will transfer over

and you do think that the ex of Velos and all that stuff, like there's a possible. What if they can help him? What do they think they can help him and they can actually get him to where you want him to be? like you can you can make an argument where it all makes sense yeah but at 36 million dollars i just yeah it's that and it's also like you want me to buy in on the idea that you are going to take a hitter who again really only produces at the most hitter friendly ballpark in the entire sport and then put him in the most hitter suppressive ballpark in the entire sport.

And that's going to work out. You want me to buy into that idea? It's weird. Ty doesn't want, you know, prime Trevor story or Troy Tuolwitsky, I guess. You wouldn't take a shot on those guys just because they played in

Colorado. As we know, Ryan McMahon is basically those two guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, it's a crazy idea. Like, yeah. And like I get it in theory, but for that for that on paper, you're absolutely not. Hell no. On paper.

And he's probably not going to be that expensive prospect wise because of the money and because of everything we talked about. It's like on paper as a backup plan for Gino, who we heard as recently as yesterday from Adam Jude, who, who do you think he got this from? He said that, A. E. E. E. Hino-Swarz is the Mariner's number one priority.

like that's not coming from somebody else that's coming from the Seattle Mariners all right let's be clear about that if you can't get them what's the backup plan McMahon I guess if you want to like could if the Mariners do have legitimate interest here like maybe can you spin it to be like well they recognize how badly they need a third base upgrade and they're willing to spend the money to go get it maybe but like just go spend just go get Willie Castro to be your third baseman the answer is no I'm Ryan McMahon. Number one fan right there. Absolutely not.

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