Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Seattle Mariners Likely Want to Trade Luis Castillo This Summer, But It's COMPLICATED

Episode Date: July 16, 2026

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Now we feel pretty good that the Mariners want to trade Luis Castillo here in a couple weeks, but how many teams actually line up to make something happen? We'll discuss coming up. Colby, hit it. You are Locked-on Mariners. Your daily Seattle Mariners podcast. Part of the Locked-On Podcast Network, your team every day. Ahoy, Sailors, and it's Thursday, July 16th, 2026.

My name is Tadding Gazzalas, and I'm joined as always by my host, Colby Patnode, on today's show, while the lack of alliteration hurts me, it is fan fiction Thursday. I'll be reacting to and grading some trades from our Discord server a little later on. But first, I wanted to talk more about Luis Castillo after yesterday's episode. I specifically want to explore trade possibilities for Castio a bit more than we did yesterday. And I also want to read this quote here from Jerry to Poto from his Q&A that he did with Adam Jude of the Seattle Times that released earlier today. Now that Q&A for the most part, like 95% of it, is a giant nothing burger, which you should expect at this time of year from any baseball executive who speaks to the media with three-ish weeks to go before the trade deadline.

They're not going to give anything away. They're not really going to be all that honest about things. So I wouldn't take really much of what Jerry said in this interview or anything Jerry or Justin Hollander says over the next few weeks and run with it. But I did think that this quote that I'm about to read was a little interesting because he got asked about trading from the starting rotation. And that's something that he's typically been pretty dismissive of when he's been asked about it. He said, quote, it's a comforting thing to have that kind of depth in our rotation. But as we all know, it can evaporate in a minute and you'd be load not to recognize that.

Like we do in every other trade market. We go in open-minded for the various ways that we can help our team. prove in some ways it would be unusual at this time of year for a team that views itself as a contender which we do to trade from the goodness of its major league roster to answer other problems but i can't say that that's out of the question for us again typically he's been pretty dismissive of this idea of trading from the rotation now he's like yeah you know it it might happen you know he left that door open for sure and obviously there have been reports on a national level over the last week or so that have indicated

that the Mariners are willing to trade from their rotation to, at the very least, reallocate resources on their roster. And so the obvious name there is Luis Castillo for a multitude of very obvious reasons that we have talked about ad nauseum on this show. I don't think we really need to regurgitate any of that. I think we all kind of know what the deal is with Castillo by this point.

and why the Mariners would be interested in trading him. But I really only had my eye on one team in that regard. I really don't think that the Mariners just want to outright salary dump Castillo. And I really don't know how much salary they would ultimately be able to get off of the books if they did that. So I think what they want to do here is to, again, reallocate resources and trade him for some that is making money, that helps them at a different spot, that helps them at a greater position of need. And so from that perspective, again, I've long felt that there is only one team that specifically

lined up for that. But I did more research last night in preparation for this discussion that we're having today, and I tried to find other avenues for the mayors to go down. that lined up in that regard. And I wound up coming to the same conclusion that the only team here that I think lines up for that specific kind of trade is the Chicago Cubs with Sayos Suzuki. Yep. I think that's probably right.

Again, like when you're talking about Louise Castillo trades in the context of not just salary dumping him, there are kind of three key variables that need to be met, right? you need a team that needs starting pitching first and foremost. You need a team that has the financial, you know, ability in air quotes. Every team does, blah, blah, blah, to take on, you know, some, at least somewhat significant amount of Luis's contract. And then that team also has to have a player or players that make your roster better or at the very least, you know, reallocate some of the talent level to different areas of your team. So when you kind of go through all those, I mean, first of all,

you eliminate a lot of, a lot of teams just on the financials alone. Like the guardians are not going to pay that. The raise are not going to pay his contract, you know, so. The white socks. Yeah. So you just kind of go through that. And even the Cubs, by the way, not spending as much as they probably should, but whatever. They spend a lot more than the Mariners.

So I'm not here to nitpick them. So, yeah, I mean, it really is. you eliminate a lot of teams just on the money alone. And then it kind of comes like, okay, well, you're not going to salary dump. Either you're eating a lot of that money or you have to kind of find somebody who's making, you know, roughly the same amount of money. Like, you have to be, you have to unload some of that money is part of it. And so you need a big contract coming back that also fits your ball club.

And so, yeah, when you kind of, who needs pitching, who has the money and then who has the piece? Like, it really is the Cubs. because you look at a team like the Mets. Well, they're a disaster. They're already out of it. They don't care about Luis Castillo. You look at a team like the Yankees. Nope.

Castillo's not going to be of interest to them. The Phillies have, you know, plenty of starting pitching. So the money alone eliminates, I don't know, probably 20 teams, if not more. So, yeah, it really is a tricky thing to find somebody who has all three sides of the triangle here to make a deal. for Luis now. If the team wants to, you know, just look for ways to alleviate as much salary as possible,

obviously there's more teams who can do that because you'd eat more money, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, when you're talking about specifically, like Jerry is like, hey, trading from our major league roster to get major league pieces back, then,

yeah, that pretty much feels like it's the Cubs. And honestly, it feels like it's, it's say a Suzuki or bust. And even then, like, I'm pretty sure the Mariners would have to add more.

on their end. Oh, absolutely. So, which, by the way, Jerry, again, didn't say that they wouldn't do that, right? Like, it's just very generally speaking. Like, sure, could we trade a major leaguer for a major leaguer? Yes. Does that mean we might also have to give up, you know, Nikki Becker or whoever, right, pick a prospect in order to get that done.

Sure. I think that's definitely a likely scenario if they do trade Luis in anything more than kind of like a salary dump. Well, yeah. again, whoever it would be here, you're probably going to have to add more on top of it to make, you know, to make up the difference. There just isn't a one for one comp here. Like a, there isn't a bat making the same money for the same contract length as Luis Castillo right now that you could go trade for. That would actually make sense.

Right. So like Suzuki specifically, you know, making $19 million a year. That's obviously going to be pro rated. you know, obviously Cassio's $24 million that he's making this year. We'll also be pro-rated, but he's got the extra year. Suzuki is a rental. Suzuki also has a full no trade clause, so we have to keep that in mind as well. He could opt to, you know, nix the deal if he wanted to.

But, yeah, that's kind of the idea there. And then you would have to obviously put more on top of that, most likely, even though that the Cubs, as we know, have been very interested in Luis Castillo and the past winter of 2024 heading into the 2025 season I was told that they were very close talks were very close on a deal that would have sent castillo to the cubs and then literally the next day dana brown GM of the astros publicly announced that they were you know open to trading kyle tucker and then boom a couple days later the cubs traded for kyle tucker and i just kind of killed the the whole louis castillo thing with the cubs so so obviously there's a

history there with Chicago. And then they have a player who is making some money who doesn't really fit what their roster or where their roster is at right now. It's kind of an awkward fit for them. It's a right-handed bat. The Mariners are obviously in the market for

a right-handed bat. And I believe Jerry a week or two ago when on, I think it was on MLB Network Radio with Jim Bowden, you know, said that he thinks they would be more contender and contender trades, you know?

So that all kind of seems to line up. But yeah, like, you know, again, you look around the rest of the league right now, and it's like, okay, like the Braves, for example, could you trade to Luis Castillo to the Braves? Sure, but for what, right? Like, okay, they have awesome Riley who's been really bad this year and is making money and is under contract, but he's under club control all the way through 233. So that doesn't work, right? that's you know that's give you a lot more back to take on

Austin Riley's contract that's yeah so so again like a big thing here is contract length as well like yeah I find a contract length not just the money but you got to find a contract length that is roughly in the same range as castio and then it's like all right you look at the white socks for example all right Andrew Ben Attendee that actually kind of lines up fairly well but that's another left-handed hitting outfielder right so yeah I mean like he's Jorge Polanco, but the Mets suck and Palanco's been

hurt all year, so that doesn't really make a lot of sense. So yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, like you said, it's just there's not a lot of paths to, the Toronto Blue Jays, by the way, that's another one, you know, like they already have Jose Burrios making $24 million and just sitting on their injured list. Like, and also they're bad this year.

So why would they want Luis Castillo? It's like, yeah, Castillo and a deal where you get Jeff Hoffman back, like that, that makes sense. That makes some sense, but again, because of where the Blue Jays are at, because they already have a contract like that on their roster, it just doesn't make a ton of sense for them. Yeah, like the Red Sox, Yoshita, well, another left-handed hitting outfielder, who also probably shouldn't play much of the outfield, you know, so you just, again, when you're trying to like thread this needle perfectly, uh, you really do limit your options, which, you know,

again, leads me to believe that ultimately, I think they'll just, make the best deal they can for Luis. In an ideal world, yeah, you get either a reliever who helps you or a right-handed bat who helps you, but I don't think that's likely, really in any scenario where you even get one of those pieces just because there's not that many buyers. Now, there could be a big injury that happens at some point over the next week or two to really change the narrative. And, you know, and there's sometimes there's surprises, like teams who just randomly decide

to buy a player for really no earthly rhyme or reason. And also, we don't know how much money the Mariners are willing to, if they're willing to turn Luis Castillo into a $5 million a year pitcher, obviously there's going to be more teams that are going to be interested in that. But assuming they want to keep, you know, Luis, like, they want to save a good amount of money on Luis next year, which is really the year you're worried about for the money. it just really comes down to the Cubs and say a Suzuki and there's very little else that I see that makes a ton of sense. I mean, maybe Baltimore, but even then like Baltimore's not a big spender.

So yeah. Yeah. So obviously there are positives with Cassio. There are things that Cassio brings to the table that will be attractive to other teams to other contenders. You know, he's pitching a lot of big games.

He's pitched better as of late. And the contract isn't, like it's it's it's absolutely an obstacle here but it's not incredibly egregious it's not like he's making 40 million dollars a year right no it's not like he's got four years left on his contract he's got one after this year and and like you said an option that's incredibly easy to sidestep so so maybe we are overvaluing the the whole contract element of this maybe there is a path here for the mariners where there are a couple of teams that are you know interested in castio and all they're not all that concerned about the contract element of it maybe i don't know but

you know this is to me this is the most fascinating part of the entire rate deadline for the mariners is if they can actually pull off a castio trade where they check off all these boxes that you you would like to think that they you know they want to they want to check off my my hunch is when jerry or justin remember they kind of split the league in half yeah uh so so certain GMs, Jerry deals with, you know, obviously. Justin handles the other half and then they kind of collaborate together to make deals. But like, I mean, I don't know. Is there, I think what's most likely to happen is Jerry or Justin make a call. Hey, we want Luis, we want to trade Luis Castillo. What do you think about this? I think the opposing GM is very much more likely to be like,

well, what about that for George Kirby, you know, or Lillian Gilbert. So we'll see if they can get something done. I do feel like Luis is probably getting traded one way or another. I just don't think it's going to be for what the Mariners are hoping it's for. At that point, are they willing to trade a second starter to try and get that piece? Maybe Hancock,

maybe a Kirby, maybe Gilbert, somebody like that. But we'll see. All right. Well, a lot to think about on that front, but now we're going to switch gears to fan fiction Thursday. We'll be reacting to and grading some of your Mariners trade ideas in just a moment.

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That's Fandul.com slash L-C-K-E-D-O-N to get started now. And you're listening to the Locktime Mariners Podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Thank you so much for making us your first listen for all things, Mariners, and also thank you for making Lockdown the number one sports podcast network. So over the last few weeks, we haven't done Fan Fiction Friday, and in our Discord server specifically, we've had a bunch of fan fiction Friday, submissions just start to pile up.

And, you know, we're towards the end of the, all-star break week here and admittedly we've run out of things to talk about. So we're going to dive into some of your trades here and we got an interview plan with Joe Doyle of overslaught baseball to talk more about the draft tomorrow. So because of that, we're doing fan fiction Thursday. So let's hop into your trades here. Isaac has a deal here with the Kansas City Royals where the Mariners get Tyler Tolbert and Alex Lang for Corbyn Dickerson, Michael Morales, and Brock.

Rod. Like, again, if you want to make moves for like depth pieces in your minor league system and all, like, that's fine. Totally. Like, that's fine. Getting guys who can jump to the major leagues and fill in for a couple weeks is fine.

Like, it's worth your time. If you can find those deals, do it, blah, blah, blah. But to give up like real assets for it, like Corbyn Dickerson,

it's just why? What's the point? Is Tolbert that much better than, you know, Ryan Bliss is he that much better than Victor LaBrata? Like I kind of don't think so. So I just, that part of it to me, I'm just, I don't understand.

It just kind of feels like you're hoping for a hot hand there. And again, if you can get these types of guys in your org for like, you know, the 24 year old dude in A ball who's running like a 60RA, but has like maybe one interesting trait fine but to give up like meaningful prospect capital for that type of player no thanks uh now Alex Lang you not not the best year for him either so like it's just kind of one

of those things where I look at this and I go like what is the incentive for the marriage to do this they can get more for you know this trade package than a guy who's probably not a majorly quality reliever any longer. And a 4A outfielder. Like, I don't see it. It just... Yeah, no, it feels like you're overpaying for a hot

60 plate appearance stretch of a 28-year-old career minor leaguer with no real track record even in the minors. And Alex Lang is really struggling this year. And even when you look at his underlying numbers, none of them really

stand out. The slider's okay. I he might be better than Michael Rucker but I don't need I don't need I can't even say that with full confidence so yeah so the Cormon Dickerson thing just ruins this for me like that's a legit and again granted Dickerson has his problems but like that's a legit middle mid level prospect in a good mariner system Michael Morales whatever if you trade Michael Morales for either of these two guys fine like that's Michael Morales for Tyler Tolber is a perfectly legitimate trade. Okay. Brock Rodden for Alex Lang. I'd probably just keep Brock Rodden and roll with Michael Rooker. But like, I guess fine. Rucker or, you know, Rodden's a older AAA player who's probably not an everyday player,

but I wouldn't trade him for Lang. But whatever, like that part, fine. It's the dicker. When you add Corbyn Dickerson to these two players to get to really for a, type of players, it's just way too much for me. So like if you took out Dickerson, I'd be like, yeah, not really just feels unnecessary. Yeah. Like if you took out Dickerson, this is like a 45, 50 because it's like fine.

I mean, it's it's depth, but whatever, fine. But when you add Dickerson into this, like he's a legit prospect. So I think this has to take it all the way down to like a 30. Like it just, what's the point? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm at a 30 or a 35. Yeah, somewhere in between.

Unless, you know, something about Tolbert. I don't know. Like this guy is just, I mean, is even that much better than Connor Joe at this point? I mean, he's obviously producing right now, but like. Sure, but 60 plate appearances. I'm not going to drastically change the opinion of somebody on 60 plate appearances. And he can run a little bit. And I think you can play some defense.

So like, again, he is a useful piece to have in your organization. If you want to trade Michael Morales for him, fine, don't have a problem with that. I'm not trained Corbyn Dickerson for a 4A outfielder. All right. We'll go over more of your trades in just a moment. but first a reminder of this episode of the long time marionist podcast is brought to you by amazon a big thank you to our friends at amazon for this limited break this back-to-school season spend less on your kids with amazon we all know how crazy the back-to-school shopping experience can be

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forward slash control the zone link in the description of this episode continue here on fan fiction Thursday and look at your mariner's trade ideas next trade here from sam it's another deal with the royals just a one for one starling marty to the mariners for carlos seminez uh sam adds that marty is old and risky but hits for average and could be a helpful veteran piece yeah this is inoffensive this is fine you know marty's been better against righties and he's been against lefties though this year. I think it's a 99

WRC plus against righties, 82 against lefties. Yeah, but you know, gives you a veteran presence that maybe you need right now in that clubhouse. For Carlos A Menez, like, that's fine. I'm not complaining about that.

No, it's very middling. Like, it's just like, whatever. I just don't know how much it helps. I just don't know how much Starlin Marte actually helps here. Like how much better is he than Weston Wilson at this stage of his career? But you're also not giving up anything to get him.

So honestly, I'd probably rather trade Michael Morales for Tolbert. As much fun as we, you know, as much fun as we poked at Tyler Tolbert, I'd probably rather have the young guy who's got some athleticism left and do that. But yeah, no, this is fine. Like it's it's the most boring trade I could actually see like going. It's a 50. very realistic and it's boring and it does potentially fill a need

is very low risk so yeah it's a 50 it's just nothing to get excited about as all yeah I mean he is hitting for average he's getting on base at a decent enough clip he's just not slugging at all no so that's why his WRC plus is as low as it is it's an 84 right not much he's also base stealing threat

or defensive players used to be and his strikeout rate has significantly gone up from his career norms he's a career 20 2% K rate guy. This year he's at 27.2%. It's by far the highest of his career since like his early days with the

pirates. So yeah. Yeah, you know, I've always like certainly my marty like it'd be cool to say hey, Starlin Marte was a mariner at one point, but how much does it actually help? Would have been four or three years ago. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

But yeah, no, like it's fine. Again, you're not over pain or anything like that. you're not giving away a prospect that's that's going to do much you know potentially do much damage or anything like that so it's fine it is weird to me that we got two trades about the royals for some of their right-handed hitting outfielders but nobody sent us a trade about lane thomas lane thomas is is the outfielder you actually want from the oils but yeah yeah this would be fine like whatever sure yeah um yeah 50 yeah 50 lines has a deal with the podrays where the Mariners get Adrian Mori Hone and Miguel Anduhar for Luke Stevenson and Nikki Becker.

So it's a half a year of Mori Hone, I think a half a year of Andy Haur as well, right? He signed a one year deal with him. Two years, actually. Okay, so you get a year and a half of Andahar? Yeah. Pretty sure, yeah. It's a mutual option. Okay, yeah.

So, Andrew Hart got off to a really hot start, but I believe he struggled pretty hard recently. so you know not ideal but he is a right-handed bat who traditionally hits left-handed pitching there's a little versatility mostly going to be an outfielder for you but he can play some first and third in a pinch so that's an interesting name uh marahone obviously the big get here he's a daddy out of the bullpen uh and he is you know a guy that you're going to use against lefties and Ritey's true setup guy in like traditional role-based usage, true setup guy. We've seen him over the years, pitch against the marriage, just filthy stuff. But he's only available, you're only going to get him for two months, three months at most,

which means you're only probably going to get 20 innings out of him, maybe 30. So he's filthy. He's a high leverage arm. He's a daddy, but it's a rental. So trying to back. balance those because we know bullpen daddies go for a lot, but rentals do not. So I think maybe not too far off. Yeah.

Yeah, I think this is roughly in the range. I think that like maybe not specifically these prospects, but prospects in this range. Maybe it like if this said like Lazz and. Mason Peters like would that significantly change the grade? No, not really. Remind me when when the Rangers traded for Chapman and they gave up Cole Regans to the Royals. Yeah. How regarded was Cole Regens? Do you remember?

Yeah, he was never in their top 30 prospects, uh, on pipeline. And he had made a, I don't know, a dozen or so starts for the Rangers. And he was bad, uh, in those starts. So he was kind of, but Chapman also was having a bit of a down year, I think, at that point. Or he was coming off of a down year, if I remember him correctly. But yeah, he was not thought of as like an elite prospect or even a good prospect at that point when he was traded. But he did have major league seasoning, which either, obviously neither of these two guys do. So there was at least a floor of a major leaguer there.

And then what was what was better? Bedner last year. Bednar wasn't a rental though. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. You're right. Who got traded last year? That was, oh, Helsley. Yeah. And O'Hare's better than Halsley. Or sorry. Morhone's better than Halsley and you're getting

Andahar. So it would be a little more than that, certainly. Yeah, Helsley got the Cardinals, Jesus Bayes, Nate Dome, and Frank Alissault. by it's a pretty good prospect. Yeah. So I'd say this is probably roughly in the range. It might need to be a better headliner than Stevenson.

But at that point, are the Mariners still doing that? Especially if they're roughly in this, you know, in this range that they're in right now. I think this is where Felman comes into play. We know that his fit with the Mariners long term isn't clean. And also we know that the Padres love their young, super athletic raw toolsy guys and they'll figure out where to move them if they need to.

Now again, I don't know how the Mariners view Helsley B. Stevenson or sorry, my name's Felman, B. Stevenson here. I'm not really sure how they view that, but I would imagine they're probably in the same range to them personally, but as to what the rest of the league values, I don't know. But I think this is in the ballpark.

Yeah. Maybe a little bit of an overpay based on what Andahar is doing this year. But Nikki Becker is so far away that it's, you know. Well, and maybe it's like it's Stevenson and like a quarter of Becker for Mori Hone. And then another 75% for Andrew Har. Yeah. I think this is a 50. I think you're in the ballpark at the very least.

And this would be a nice move for Seattle. It just, the rental thing is is a bit iffy for. Seattle, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little stumped by this one, so I'll give you a 55. If the Mariners go like nine and four over these, these next 13 games and like you sent us this trade, it's probably a higher grade because at that point, it's like, yeah, sure, I would do that because I feel like they're almost certainly going to get playoff

innings out of Morahone at that point, where right now I'm like, I think they probably will, but. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm not sure how interested there'll be an high-end rental. rental, especially arms. Keep saying it, and I'll say it for the next two weeks. These next 13 games are massive to how aggressive this team will be at the deadline. Yeah, I think they would be in on rental bats.

Again, we talked about, say, Suzuki and Taylor Ward, I think they'll be in on that. But in terms of arms, because even rental arms, relief arms, they're going to go for a lot. Yep. far more than you know corner outfield bats or whatever you so I don't know if the mariners would go down that route but but yeah I'll go 55 on this one all right that is going to do it for our show thank you so much for joining us here on the locked on marries podcast part of the lockdown podcast network your team every day for colby pat node I'm tiding gzalice be sure to give us a follow on on twitter at l o underscore mariners you can follow me at tini gzalz and colby at cpat 11 that cpat 1 1 we're also on blue sky you can follow me at m lb colby in the show at locked on merit You can also find us on Instagram and TikTok at Lockdown Mariners. Have yourself a beautiful baseball day and we'll see you next time. Peace.