Locked On Mariners - Daily Podcast On the Seattle Mariners - The Wacky World of Baseball Trade Values

Episode Date: October 12, 2021

Hosts Ty Dane Gonzalez and Colby Patnode analyze MLBTradeRumors' arbitration projections for the Mariners then look at several highly entertaining Mariners trade proposals on BaseballTradeValues.com.Be sure to follow or subscribe to Locked On Mariners wherever you prefer your podcasts! For questions and other inquiries, email: [e-mail] the show on Twitter: @LO_Mariners | @danegnzlz | @CPat11For more of Ty and Colby, check out their Patreon: patreon.com/controlthezone/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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2021 i am your host tyd anne gonzalez joined as always by my co-host colby pat node follow us on twitter at l-o underscore mariners you can follow me at dain gonzalz and colby at c pat 11 that's c p a t-11 all of that is also in the description of this episode be sure to also check out our patreon where we talk about the Mariners even more. Also get into some non-baseball talk twice a week. Visit patreon.com for its last control the zone for more information. On today's episode of Lockdown Mariners, it is mock trade Tuesday. We are going to be looking at some of the weirdest and wackiest mariners trade proposals we can find on baseball trade values.com. It's quite the experience. And who knows, maybe there's a good one that sneaks on through. If you like what you hear, get the show,

a follow or subscribe wherever you listen to this. We'd greatly appreciate. appreciate it. Before we get into the trades, let's talk about arbitration projections. MLB trade rumors.com came through with their annual arbitration projections for the 2022 offseason. The Mariners have nine guys arbitration eligible this off season. No real surprises here, except for one that we'll talk about in a second. But Mitch Hanigur is projected to earn. $8.5 million in arbitration this year. Drew Steckin Rider $2.1 million.

Tom Murphy, $1.7 million. J.P. Crawford, $5 million. Diego Castillo, $2.6 million. Paul Seewald, $1.8 million. Casey Sadler, $1.3 million. Dillemore, $1.6 million. And then there's Luis Terence, who, Colby, you and I both don't think is actually arbitration eligible,

but they have them on here. Yeah, Terenz, I'm pretty convinced. is not going to be arbitration eligible. Based on my understanding, he missed Super 2 status by about 40 days. So unless there's some kind of rule that I'm unaware of, I think that's a mistake on their part. But no, it's nice to have some numbers. And while these aren't official, you know, these projections have proven to be pretty reliable, you know, over the years.

They might be off by a couple hundred thousand dollars. but for the most part, they are right on, and there's very few exceptions to big misses by these guys. So it's nice to have these numbers to plug into our spreadsheet, and we can kind of start to build a plan around this, knowing exactly how much money the team is going to have on its payroll or at least a rough estimation to start the off-season. These numbers all look about right to me.

I personally wouldn't offer Dylan Moore a contract at $1.6 million. if I could trade Drew Steckenrider and shave that $2 million, I would do that so long as it does, you know, it's for something that helps my team. But yeah, these numbers look about right to me. So I have no, no major complaints. Yeah. So if the numbers are correct and Terenz is included in this, and again, we're pretty sure he's not eligible, but we'll just go along with that for now. with what MLB trade rumors is saying that he is eligible. And so at that point, if they pick up all of those at those numbers,

that would be $26.2 million in our money for those nine guys. Where would that put the Mariners, Colby? Depending on options and the buyouts for Kyle Seeger, and based on what we know or what we think we know, Seeger's buyout is going to be about $2 million. I'm assuming that you say Kukuchi is going to pick up its player option. So that would land the Mariners. somewhere between $55 to $60 million, you know, payroll-wise, heading into the off-season.

And where did they finish the year? They finished at about $84, $85 right around there. So to get back to this year, they'll have to, this year's spending, they'll have to spend somewhere between, again, depending on the actual final numbers, somewhere between $25 to $30 million. And that's just to give back to this year's payroll. Yeah. And of course, Jerry DePoto saying last week that he has been given the green light to, you know, expand the Mariners payroll significantly. We'll see how that all plays out.

But you can expect the Mariners to at least spend, you know, $30 million this offseason. And it seems like more as well on top of that. So before we hop on over to our next segment, Colby, any other names on here? from some of the other teams that stood out to you, potentially as, you know, guys that might get non-tendered, guys that the Mariners could look to acquire on the cheap if their team doesn't want to pay them that number.

Anyone like that that you saw just glancing at this list? Yeah, you know, there's a few, no major players, as usual, are likely to get non-tendered, but some useful bench pieces like Alex Dickerson, who had a pretty good 2019 and 2020, struggled this year, but, you know, $3 million for a strong side platoon bat. You could do worse.

You know, there's, again, there's not a lot of obvious, like, no, they're not going to pay that. Giovanni Gallegos of the Cardinals, a 2.8 million. He's probably worth that. But again, it's $3 million for a reliever. Any reliever that's making more than, you know, two and a half, three million bucks is probably somebody to watch because they're large. replaceable. Eric Lauer of the brewers at 2.7 million. That's pretty reasonable,

but the brewers have 14 guys who are arbitration eligible. They're not big spenders traditionally. They don't have a big payroll this year anyways. And they are looking at guys like Woodruff and Hader and Burns who are going to be looking at extensions possibly soon. So I think they might try to shave a couple of million bucks here and there off of this roster. so Eric Lauer seems to be one that stands out there.

You know, you go down to what the raised, the race and the Yankees, they have a lot of ARB guys as well. The Yankees have 19 ARB eligible players, guys like Glaber Torres and Clint Frazier, who might be on the outs anyways. With their payroll, Glabors is going to be about six and a half million, and Frasier is going to be at about two.

So not that the Yankees can't absorb those, but they just might not want to. Um, so those two guys are, are players I'd watch and, uh, you know, if you're looking for kind of a long term play here, the tigers aren't going to pay Matthew Boyd, seven point three million dollars to not pitch in 2022. Um, so if Seattle can give Boyd a, you know, a one year or sorry, a two year deal where the first year he's making one million dollars and the next year, you know, he's making six million dollars with, you know, uh, some incentives and things like that. then I think that makes some sense too. So not a lot out there that just kind of jumps off the page for you. But there are some guys mostly bench and, and, you know, lottery ticket types. But they are out there.

Yeah, a couple of other guys that stood out to me, Kyle Freeland, Rocky's left-handed pitcher at $7 million. He's been not super good the last few years, really since that 2018 year where he popped. this year 433 ERA you know doesn't strike out a ton of guys walks are just kind of middle of the pack the Mariners have

quite a few pitchers that fit in that Freeland area so I don't know how much of how much you know how appealing that would be to go after Freeland whether he's non-tendered or whether he's dangled out in the trade market of course the Rockies

are trying to limit payroll right now where they are so we'll see on that and he's just not super exciting. So maybe if the Mariners want some safety in the rotation, which honestly, he doesn't even provide that much of as well. He's been hurt last couple of years. So I don't know. But maybe that's a guy to look at Tony Kemp at a 2.2 million, 2.2 million might be interesting since he's on the A's at Alberto Mondesey, who you've, you've started to really like for the Mariners as a fit. they have them projected for $3.2 million in Kansas City.

Obviously, Kansas City is one of the few teams that last year with, you know, owners kind of crying cheap, crying poor after the pandemic, you know, the initial effects of the pandemic, they actually went out and spent some. So they'll probably give him that, but he hasn't been very good. He really hasn't played like a $3 million player over the last couple of years. So, yeah, those might be some guys for the,

the Mariners to look at, but overall, no, no big surprises, no, no guys that really, uh, jump out too much for the Mariners or around the league. Uh, but we're going to talk about some, uh, some trades and some trade targets that they might be interested in in just a moment, but real quick, a reminder of this episode of lockdown Mariners is brought to you by rock auto. With the ever increasing numbers of makes and models, it's now impossible for your local chain auto parts store to stock all the parts you need. Why endure often pointless or seemingly intimidating questioning, like is your Odyssey an LX or an EX, and wait while the person behind the counter orders the parts on their computer, choosing the only brand their warehouse happens to carry?

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Every day. We are free and available on all. platforms. Colby, you and I, when we're just off air, you know, just talking crap, all that stuff, you know, we usually like to go to baseball trade values.com and have a good time looking at some of the ridiculous trade proposals that people make on there. For those that are listening, I don't know what baseball trade values.com is, it's a website that evaluates players and allows you to craft your own trades. It's very easy to use. And a lot of people have been, uh, you know, using it for quite some time to make their own trade proposals. And the valuations that the website puts on players is not great.

It's very rare that they're accurate on the trade values. But yeah, so it's offered some comedy for us. And we wanted to incorporate it in this show now that we've switched over to our offseason programming. So Colby, let's look at some of these trades here that you've compiled. We're going to be doing this every week on Tuesdays. and let's see what people have come up with for the Seattle Mariners. Yeah, so there's some good ones, some flat out awful ones that are in here for comic relief. And it's also worth noting that baseball trade values, not a good source.

You know, for example, Marco Gonzalez is, you know, like a 2.2 and, you know, like Drew Steckin-Rider is like a 6. So, yeah, it's not perfect, but it is a fun tool to use. And it certainly is something that a lot of people like to mess around with. And we do too. So let's dive right in here. This first trade is especially for Utah, because I know you're a big fan of this player, but this price, it matches up pretty fairly on the old baseball trade value scale. but I don't know about this price.

So trade number one, Zach DeLoch and Brandon Williamson for Wilson Contreras. I could see one of those guys going in a trade for Contreras, but not both. Contreras is, let's see here, what was Contreras on the MLB trade rumors projections?

He is scheduled to, he's projected to, make $8.7 million this offseason. This is a team that's trying to significantly cut down payroll and rebuild. They're going to want to get rid of that contract. Obviously, not for free. They're not going to nondender him.

But yeah, I don't think that he's going to get them to top ten prospects from one of the best farm systems in baseball. Maybe one of them. But not too. You think Zach Deloche is a top ten prospect in the Mariners system? He's close. Yeah.

Is he? He's probably like 13, 12. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So that was trade number one. That was just for you. So you say you would trade one of them, but not both for Contreras.

I don't know that I'd trade Williamson for Contreras. But I mean, like, I wouldn't be like upset if they did. It's cutting it close. Yeah. But if they made that trade and you saw it come across the board, eh, it would hurt. but I'm yeah got Wilson Contreras

yeah I would think I would think it's like you know not ideal cost but it is a catcher and there's not a lot of good ones and he is a good one so you understand he's good defensively and he produces at the plate as well so

I would totally get it all right so now do you want the do you want the bad bad trade or do you want maybe yeah let's hear let's hear a bad bad trade because you know I built it up that this website is ridiculous.

So let's show our listeners that might not be familiar with this website how ridiculous it can get. All right. So this is the worst one I saw on the board today. Thai France, Marco Gonzalez, and Paul Seawald. Okay. To the Oakland A's. Oh, no. For Tyler Soderstrom.

So let's let's look at this. Four years of Thai France. Three years of Marco. Yeah. Four years of Paul Seawald. For 19 year old Tyler Sauterstrom, who's a good prospect. Yeah, no, really good prospect.

Really fine player. Top 100 guy. But also, like, here's the thing to me. Doesn't Marco start getting expensive next year, like in 2023? I think so. I'm not sure the exact breakdown. I think he's got like three million this year and then five next year. But I mean, that's a bargain.

For the A's that's expensive. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I just, I don't know why the A's would be interested in Marco, first of all, but second of all, that is just way, way, way too much. And it's kind of what you tweeted today from the control or no, from the locked on account that,

I just don't think that people understand where the Mariners are right now. Right. This is a trade that pretty clearly shows that. Yeah. And even if the Mariners weren't, like let's say the Mariners weren't ready to try and win next year,

Typh Brantz for Tyler Sauterstrom, doesn't make a lot of sense for Seattle. Even just those two guys alone. Soderstrum is 19. He just played in A ball. He's got 57 games at A ball. he's not coming up until at least 2023, probably 2024, is more realistic. And heck, even 2025 is my, it might be that long before he sticks.

And you have Ty France for the next four years and you know Ty France is good. Yeah. And Ty France is what, 26 years old, 27 years old? So this trade just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Yeah, it's really stupid. It's really stupid. I have to assume the guy who made this trade is, is an A's fan. who just saw the Mariners kick their butt for 19 games this year and was like, well,

I need to get some of those guys on my team. But this is this is a flat out stupid trade. I mean, I'm not trying to be mean. Trades are very hard to come up with. Trust us, we know. But this is just stupidity at its finest. I mean, this is this is odd. This might be the worst trade I've ever seen on the website.

And that's saying something. It's, it's that bad. High France is 27 years old, not 33. Marco's like 28 himself, so what are we doing? Anyways, there you go. All right, let's get one more in here before we hit the break. What do you got? Bad one or a good one?

Oh, let's alternate. Let's get a decent one in here. Okay. So this is the big one that I found on the board today. Okay. Harry Ford, Mitch Hanigar, Julio Rodriguez. is. Brandon Williamson.

Oh my God. For Jose Ramirez, Zach Plesack, and Bradley Zimmer. I feel like Cleveland fans really overvalue Zach Plasag. He's good. Yeah.

But he's a four. He's kind of Mike Lee. Yeah. He's a four. Sometimes pitches like a three. Yeah. I also wonder, like, if they're, I also wonder if, like, and this is just general, generally speaking about the, the Jose Ramirez trade, which we talked about on yesterday's episode. If you're trading Jose Ramirez, why would you want Mitch Hanager?

Yeah, because, you know, if you're trying to win this year, you just keep Jose Ramirez and Zach Pleas out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, like, I mean, like, that's fine. That's an. asset that they can flip but yeah right and Cleveland has wanted you know major league pieces back and in deals like this so yeah I just feel like if they're going to get a major league piece back from the Mariners in a trade like this it's probably going to be

Abraham Toro or Louis Terence or someone like that someone that has some control or they're going to ask for Logan Gilbert yeah right and so like the deal like Harry Ford and Julio Rodriguez for Jose Ramirez, like, that's fine. Like that makes sense.

Like that hurts, but it's, you know, it's Jose Ramirez. So, yeah. I would guess Seattle would say if you want board, then you're going to have to take Hancock instead of, instead of Julio. But if you really want Julio, then you're going to have to take, instead of Ford, you're going to have to take Deloche. Like, I don't think they're going to give up both in the same deal. But, you know, if they did, and it's for Jose Ramirez.

is fine. And then it's Hanager and Williamson for Plesack and Zimmer. I mean, Pleesack's still fairly young. So I don't know if that makes sense for Cleveland either. Like this is a really fun trade and if it came across

the tracker or whatever, you built, wow, like, holy cow, that's going to take a while to break down. But I just think there's too many parts here that just, they're just a little bit off. Right. They're not awful, but they're just a tiny bit. And obviously, The Mariners are getting a perennial MVP candidate,

but it's like the rest of the deal, I'm just, eh, why, that doesn't, like, why would they do that? Bradley Zimmer is 29 and hasn't really figured it out yet.

And Plessack, like I said, he's, he's a number four who sometimes pitches like number three. And they have guys like that. Like, yeah, I mean,

like, like, is Chris flexing that far off from Zach Pleetack, you know? Yeah, I don't think so, but like, it comes down to how,

how, you know, how Seattle, handles or feels about police sack and if they think they can get more from him. If this was Shane Bieber instead of police sack, then I would do this deal. Yeah. And I would probably add a little bit more even to it, but it's not. So like I said, overall, I think it's a pretty, like it's a fun idea.

And it's, it's a trade that was pretty carefully crafted. I think it, there was some thought that went into it. I just think it's just a tiny bit off on both ends. And so it's just, it's a, it's a no from me. All right. Well, we got more trades on the way in just a moment. Real quick, a reminder this episode of Lockdown Mariners is brought to you by betonline. We're back and better than ever.

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trades here, Colby. What else you got for me? All right. Let's just go ahead and let's do let's do a fun one here. This is a three-teamer. Now, I'm only going to mention the Mariners side of things because that's all we care about.

This is a three-teamerter between the pirates, the Mets, and the Mariners. So at the end of the day when all the smoke settles, the Mariners will have traded Drew Steckin-Rider, Jake Fraley, and Emerson Hancock,

Brandon Nemo and J.T. Brewbaker. I mean, I like that. I like what they get back. So Emerson, Hancock, Jake Fraley, and Drew Secondrater, you said. Yep. It feels pretty light to get Brandon Nemo and J.T. Brewbaker back. But I like it. Well, you got to remember, there's three teams.

So, yeah. the Mets, I would assume are getting, if I'm remembering correctly, the Mets are getting, they're getting a Steckenrider and something from the Pirates for Nimmo. So yeah, it's fun. And I do, I would bet pretty heavily that we see a three-team deal that involves the Mariners this winter. It's something Jerry's done in the past. It's a creative way to address needs and all that stuff. We talked about Nemo the other day, didn't we?

Maybe on CTC. Yeah, we talked about him on our live show. That's right. That's right. So, yeah, I mean, it's a fun player and he certainly makes sense. But again, if you're the Mets, right? Why would you trade Brandon Nimmo right now? Yeah.

Why would you trade him for Stecken Rider and whatever you would get from the pirates? Because, I mean, the pirates aren't going to, I would assume the pirates are not giving up, like, a ton in this. because what they're getting Jake Frailey and they're getting Hancock I believe let me pull up let me pull up real fast for future reference I will include the whole deal it's kind of our preseason for this too

so yeah so the Mariners get Brewbaker and Nemo the Mets okay this is why they would do it the Mets get Brian Reynolds and Drew Stecktner yeah no The pirates get Hancock, Freely, and the catcher, Francisco Alvarez. They're not trading Brian Reynolds for that. You sure?

Hancock and Alvarez are two top, like, 30 prospects. And they get Jake Braley as a replacement? I don't know. I don't know. Eh. Eh. I think the real question is, would the Mets trade Alvarez and Nimmo? for Reynolds and Steck and Rider, probably.

I don't know. The deal is, it's not bad. It's not bad. Yeah, it's not terrible. There's definitely like a place to start there. Like, it's not like, I would not discard that trade. Like, like, there's something to build on here with this. Right.

It's a good effort, particularly on a three-team deal, which are difficult, more difficult than two teams, trades. So good effort, good effort. And certainly, you know, a couple of players that are interesting to think about in the, in the offseason plan or just in general. So, all right, let's throw in a bad trade here. All right. This is one I share with you earlier on Twitter, but I think it's pretty funny.

This one has the Mariners trading, Luis Turenz, Nick Markavichis, and J.P. Crawford to the Tigers for fourth outfielder, Robbie Gross. and reliever Michael Fulmer. So. Ty, why don't you go ahead and have fun with this one because I, I mean, I like,

I like Robbie Grossman. Yeah. I like Michael Fulmer. Uh, I, I don't like them that much. That, uh,

that deal makes. It makes no sense for sale. It makes no sense. Um, okay. J.P. Crawford's inclusion is obviously the big, big red flag here. Right. Because it's like, okay, you know, you got one of the best defensive shortstops in all baseball,

who is taking on a leadership role within your team. And I'm sure if this is a Tigers fan making this trade proposal, I assume it is. They don't know that, but I mean, yeah, you're not trading that for a year of Robbie. Grossman and what two years of Michael Fulmer one year of Michael Fulmer yeah who is you know completely a reliever now and then you add on top of that as well

yeah no I'm gonna be saying no to this one yeah hard pass and this is where you know this is kind of proof that the baseball trade values their value are just, they're not, they're not accurate. They're not great because they have this deal as nearly fair.

Wow. In fact, if they took out Luis Terenz, baseball trade values would say this deal is perfectly fair. So according to their algorithm or whatever, Bollmer and Grossman for Crawford and Margavichus is perfectly fair. It's not. I mean, like, Margavages is so inconsequential, too, because, like, I don't think Nick Margavichus has any trade value right now. They have Nick Mark Avaichess with a higher trade value than Luis Trens. So that's ridiculous.

It is. And so this is why again, this is a good, this is a good trade. When you look at it, you say, well, baseball trade values is pretty good, right? Like it's a good. I mean, it's fun sometimes, but this is the trade I would show people to say, look, it's not anything that should be taken with any level of accuracy because it's ridiculous. anybody will tell you the opposite anybody who's pays attention would tell you the exact opposite or what baseball trade values is telling you about this trade they said it's fun it's a fun tool

but be careful with it yeah all right any other trades here before we uh we hop off yeah two two quick ones um all right this one i just saw and i added at the very end of the list uh tom murphy for lu trevino Yeah. That was my reaction. Huh. I mean, I'm not sure why. That's actually not that bad because Trevino's not been great the last couple years, right?

Mariner fans probably remember him as the guy who just couldn't get the Mariners out. I think he blew three or four saves against Seattle this year. But no, he hasn't been great, but he's not been bad. Like, he's a solid middle reliever type. I got the numbers for him right here. 318 ERA this year, 3.7. 8 FIP with 8.19 K per 9 and 4.15 walks per 9, so not great. But of course, you know, I'm sure folks remember when Lou Trevino was awesome in 2018,

292 ERA. I believe he was on the All-Sert team that year, right? Yep. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I've kind of worked on there, the assumption that Murphy could possibly get non-tendered this winter. So if you can get a pretty solid reliever in return for him, yeah. And I think the A's would probably be interested in Murphy as well, because they're probably still going to try to be fairly competitive next year.

And he's affordable. He's only going to cost, well, the arbitration projections had him at, what, $1.8 million, $1.7 million. And I believe they had Trevino at 3.2. So yeah There's some money to be saved here And yeah Seattle gets a

You know If Trevino was a free agent He probably gets Six, seven million bucks On the open market Like he's not a he's not a closer Or anything like that But he's you know

If he's the fifth best guy in your bullpen Which is probably what he would be in Seattle's bullpen You have a really good bullpen So So yeah I like that deal Yeah I thought that's probably that might be my favorite deal

I've ever heard from baseball trade values like in terms of like this this works this actually works it makes some sense I don't know if and baseball trade values has this as a

basically a fair deal 1.6 to 1.5 so yeah I actually I'm not sure I'm not sure the A's would actually want Tom Murphy though because they do have Sean Murphy so do they really need a backup but you know they're going to lose your gums yeah you don't have enough you can never have enough

catching depth you know murphy crushes lefties still so you can still use them and you know Oakland's not afraid to use guys in the dh and all that stuff so and again trevino's a non-tender candidate i don't think he's going to get non-tendered but three million dollars for a reliever is pretty expensive for oakland so yeah definitely a possibility all right last one this is fun because it includes a player that i like and a player i know you like but the prices would cause me to pause. But here's a deal. Mariners get Iron Buxton and Mitch Garver.

Oh, okay. For Emerson Hancock, Matt Brash, Jake Fraley, and Taylor Tramel. That makes you pause? Only because... I don't think that's super off. No, actually, fun note. Baseball trade values has this as the Mariners getting 30. 37.9 points of value and the twins getting 38.8.

So basically a tie. Sure. The one concern that I have is that you're trading a lot of resources for a couple of guys that, well, very good when they're healthy are typically not available. Unhealthy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's why it gives me pause.

Because you know I love Byron Buckson. Yeah. but and I said I'm willing to give up Emerson Hancock for him but am I willing to give up Hancock and Tremel Brash and Trembal and Frealy because see I kind of look at it as as Brat it's like Brash and let's say Freely for Garber right and that basically lines up with the value chart

so then the other side of it is Tramel and Hancock for Buxton is like am I willing to give a bull I'm willing to go of Hancock And I think that's that's pretty aggressive to be honest So I don't know if I'm willing to do that Yeah Again, it's one of those ones

I'd probably say no I'd probably say no But I don't think it's super off in terms of valuation I really don't No like I said I think it's a pretty I think it's a pretty good trade in terms of like they thought it through And it makes sense for both sides But I just

you know, for me personally, like if this comes across the ticker, am I devastated? No, because I love Byron Bucksston and Garber when he's healthy. He's a huge upgrade at catcher for Seattle. Do I want to lose Brash and Hancock? No, I don't. But am I going to let that stop

me? Because I really don't care that much about Braley. And while I root for Taylor Trammell and I'll continue to root for him no matter where he goes, he's a great dude. He did have a down year. And it is going to hurt his trade value. So yeah. Yeah. It's, It's something I could live with, but I just, is there any way we could not put Matt Brash and Hancock in this deal?

Is there somebody besides Brash that maybe you would like nearly as well? You know what I mean? But we'll see. It's one of those trades. If it comes across the ticker or you get the tweet notification that they made that trade, you would be like, huh, like good. I'd like, cool. Again, it's and just to wrap this up, because I know we got to go.

but just overall, just a general piece of advice for Mariner fans. And you guys and you listening can remind me of this when I go off the rails at some point this offseason. Focus on what the Mariners get back in a trade, not what they gave up. Yeah. Just remember that. Yep. And I'm sure we're going to totally contradict ourselves when it actually happens. You guys, you call us out on that, all right?

You're listening to this. You call us out on that. And we'll call you out on that when it inevitably. flips because it's hard to do that. It really is because you've got to be reactionary, especially in our business. But always remember, the important thing is not what you gave up. It's what you got back and did that work for you? Because if it works for you, then you don't care what you gave up because it worked for you.

It was worth it for you. So always remember that. Well, on that note, that's going to do it for today's show. Thank you so much for joining us here on lockdown Mariners for Colby Patnode. I'm Tid and Gonzalez. Be sure to give us a follow on Twitter at L0 underscore Mariners. You can follow me at Dan Gonzalez. That's D-A-N-Z-L-Z and Colby at C-P-A-E.

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